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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, October 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 476



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
FTE 61-79 - head lice, er lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke/valve stem guides
Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy
Re: FTE 61-79 - head lice, er lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61
FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment
FTE 61-79 - Sawdust tires
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke/valve stem guides
FTE 61-79 - RE Transfer (finally!!!!!)
FTE 61-79 - re: 61 power brakes
FTE 61-79 - RE Wierd thingy
Re: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold
FTE 61-79 - Re: rear axle nuts
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear axle nuts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment
FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims
FTE 61-79 - Spring noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)
FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke, a whole lot of smoke

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:51:07 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

From: sdelanty sonic.net
Date sent: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:41:20 -0700
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

> before I get the thing disabled in my driveway... Can anyone out there
> tell me what size that sucker is? Any handy tips for doing the bearings
> on the Dana axle?

It's just like the dana 44 front axle, spindle wise and you adjust the bearings
in the same manner you do a front wheel, allowing 0-0.010 axial play in the
bearing when all nuts are torqued. As I recall the nuts have slots in them like
the 44's but some say they are actually hex shaped? It's been a long time so
I can't picture it but I remember getting them on and off with a punch and
biggggggg hammer :-) The right spanner or socket is preverable of course :-)

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:00:50 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - head lice, er lights

Last night I discovered that I am going to need to replace a headlight. It
still works, but it has moisture in it. No big deal, but here is my
question. Is anyone using the Phillips halogen lights with the black grid
that look black when they are off, but show a bright beam when on? If so,
do you like the way they look? Are there any legal ramifications? I realize
that I will need a pair, I am just wondering if they are worth the effort
and expense.

I have also observed several Ford vans with trim rings around the tail
lights. Has anyone tried these on a pickup? Are they metal or plastic?

Thanks in advance.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, only one dent left from the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:21:25 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date sent: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:41:20 -0700
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
>
> > before I get the thing disabled in my driveway... Can anyone out there
> > tell me what size that sucker is? Any handy tips for doing the bearings
> > on the Dana axle?
>
> It's just like the dana 44 front axle, spindle wise and you adjust the bearings
> in the same manner you do a front wheel, allowing 0-0.010 axial play in the
> bearing when all nuts are torqued. As I recall the nuts have slots in them like
> the 44's but some say they are actually hex shaped?

No slots, they are hex shaped. Need totally different tool than either
dana 44 or dana 60 front axles. Most parts places have the dana 60 rear
locknut tool. It's about 23$.


OX
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:10:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: STHIBODE spf.fairchildsemi.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Axle nuts for the Dana 60 require a 2 9/16" socket, the later Dana
axles have the rounded corner nuts and require a special socket that
too has rounded corners. OTC tools makes the socket I have, around
$25...

Steve
80 Bronco 351W 35's
85 f250 4x4 351 H.O.
86 f150 Lariat 4x2 300
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:10:02 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Its probably best to pull one of them off and take it down to the parts place.
There are a few different sized sockets (cost about $15-$20), all real close
to each other, so its pretty hard to eyeball it. Also, depending on the
manufacturer of the socket you might need to buy a socket adapter that
converts 3/4" drive to 1/2" drive (I'm assuming you have some 1/2" drive
socket wrenches here).

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:19:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

From: luxjo thecore.com
Date sent: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:21:25 -0400
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

> No slots, they are hex shaped. Need totally different tool than either
> dana 44 or dana 60 front axles. Most parts places have the dana 60 rear
> locknut tool. It's about 23$.

Maybe my 73 E-300 had the ford axle in it?

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:21:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Gary,

Did you say yesterday something about the tranny being open between the
xfer case and transmission ? That there was no seal to keep them separate
? Maybe I missed something, but I have a C6 and seems like a 205, anyway
its the full time system (I can never keep those numbers straight) but I
had a kit put in to make it part time. It was leaking really bad (Dad
added 4 quarts after we drove a couple hours and let it sit for a couple
days), they told us the torque converter was probably cracked since it was
leaking so badly, but then when they took it apart they said there was
fluid between the xfer and tranny and that's where it was leaking. The kit
was just put in the xfer case a year ago, and shouldn't be leaking yet (its
been leaking for quite a while, just got it in though) so we were wondering
if they were missing something. Dad's going to call them today (he's in
IL, I'm in IA) and see what's up, but I was wondering what you guys thought
...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:21:23 -0400
From: "Clare Waterman-Storer, Ph.D."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke/valve stem guides

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:
>
> > My 1976 F150, 360, C6 releases a huge amount of white smoke when
> >I start it up, although only when it has set parked for several hours
> >about 6 or 7. What could cause this to happen? It also seems to smoke
> >more when it is low on oil. I've been told about burnt valves and bad
> >valve guides.


> Bad valve guides/seals can also make a motor smoke at startup.
> Fords valve stem seals seem to often die an early death and can make
> for smoking during startup or when coasting down hill with the throttle
> shut.

I have a similar problem with smoke on startup on my 71 f250 360- how
do i test for bad valve stem guides?

tia
clare
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:39:31 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)

"Gary, 78 BBB"
> I can only speak for myself but I have a definate favorite for my truck.
> Goodyear Workhorse Radials.

>What size are these tires and is your truck 4wd?

Gary, as to size, I will have to double check. This truck is totally =
stock and still has the wheels/rims that came from the factory. I know =
that the radials are slightly wider than the original bias plys. This =
ticked me off at the time because I am a firm believer in "skinny is =
better" for snow and ice. Actually I believe this for everything except =
deep mud or deep sand. The truck is 2wd. Anybody remember the old =
Sawdust tires? Now those things gave you grip, and were a lot of fun to =
light up come spring.=20

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:40:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

4Date sent: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:21:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

> Gary,
>
> Did you say yesterday something about the tranny being open between the
> xfer case and transmission ? That there was no seal to keep them separate
> ? Maybe I missed something,

The cast iron "adapter" is actually the replacement for the tail shaft housing
in a 4wd application and bolts on in the same manner and in the same manner
has full access to the inside of the tranny so if the gaskets between the
adapter and tranny......or.....the adapter and xfer case are not good it will leak
exactly as the rear seal on a 2wd application will leak or the fluid will pour
out the rear output shaft seal if you pull the engine and tranny together
without inserting a dummy yoke and taping it in place and stuffing a rag into
the speedo gear hole etc..

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:40:35 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy

Actually, I'm sure its not a Charcoal canister. Its completely hollow, and
the only hole is the one that slides into the aircleaner. and its about an
inch across.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:44:32 -0500
From: Mike Masse
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - head lice, er lights

John LaGrone wrote:
>
>
> I have also observed several Ford vans with trim rings around the tail
> lights. Has anyone tried these on a pickup? Are they metal or plastic?
>
My 78 Bronco had metal trim rings around the taillights and I believe
they're the same as the van's
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:09:51 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61

Carey & Norm wrote:

> Seems like there's a few of us right now looking for dual master
> cylinder and booster parts for '61-'66 F-series! I have the old 'fruit
> jar' too, and I just don't have the faith in it anymore with the new
> 460. For now, I'm taking my chances. But this will be rectified soon!
> If I find anything, it'll be posted...
>
> Norm
>

Hi Ya'll

First off there is a little bit of a difference between the 61-64, and
65-66 cabs. The fire wall has a little bit of a different layout so
adding a brake booster will be a little different for each. For the 65-66
2 wheel drive pickups it is really a bolt in using your existing master
cylinder.

Power brakes were an option on 65-66 trucks ( this is where I got mine)
It is a smaller unit than some of the newer boosters (70's) but works just
as effectively and mounts just the same. The 65-66 cabs have reinforcing
ribs for the booster to mount on, the 61-64's don't. For the early truck
the master cylinder mounts on a plate that attaches to the firewall.

First off get your self down to the local used parts outlet and pick up a
booster and mounting brackets( I use a 65 but the attaching points looked
the same as a 77 booster that I had in the garage). Also get the push rod
that goes between the booster and the master cylinder. If the vacuum hose
is there grab that and a manifold fitting for your engine.

You did get a good booster didn't you?

For installation of just the booster you should not need to disconnect the
brake lines. First you will need to disconnect the rod from the peddle
and then remove the attaching plate from the fire wall which is a two
person job as the nut is inside the cab and the bolt is in the engine
compartment or the other way around. Next remove the master cylinder from
the attaching plate.

Take the two bolts that used to attach the old master cylinder to the
plate and use them to attach the booster to the plate. The booster will
have four holes for bolts. Your options here are to weld two studs to the
attaching plate or drill two counter sunk holes in the plate for two more
recessed bolts or just use the two bolts.

Now install the plate and booster to the firewall and connect the push rod
to the pedal arm. The holes were already in the correct place on my 63.

The tricky part is getting the rod between the booster and the master
cylinder the correct length. It is kind of trial and error. I started
so that the adjuster is all the way out and turned it in until the master
cylinder sat flush on the booster with pressure on the rod.

Find a good place on the intake manifold to install the fitting for the
vacuum line and install the vacuum line.

If you want to also add a twin master cylinder you will need to pick up
either a drum/drum or a disk/ drum master cylinder, install a second line
for the rear brakes and install a proportioning valve. I used one off a
72 Mustang but almost any one will work or get an after market adjustable
one.

Happy Braking

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:14:54 -0500
From: "Dennis Witthuhn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Noise

have you checked the wheel bearings?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rusty Nail
To: ford post
Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:37 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange Noise


>
>
>Was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem or know what it could
>be. I have a howl in my front end that sounds allot like big tires on
>pavement at high speed. It only happens when I'm going about 35-50 mph and
>it happens on both gravel and pavement. I've changed the u-joints. Any
>guesses.
>
>Rusty Nail
>'79 400 Explorer 2wd
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:33:53 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61

>First off get your self down to the local used parts outlet and pick up a
>booster and mounting brackets( I use a 65 but the attaching points looked
>the same as a 77 booster that I had in the garage). Also get the push rod
>that goes between the booster and the master cylinder. If the vacuum hose
>is there grab that and a manifold fitting for your engine.
>
>You did get a good booster didn't you?
>
I suppose that means a truck with front end damage is a bad candidate ? :)


Sorry, couldn't resist.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:44:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: "P.J. Warren"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment

Hey Fordnatics,
I really need help with my speech. I know how a clutch works,
it's just that I need another source for my speech. The prof wants 3
sources and I have a couple of magazines and a book and I figure that this
list could count as a source. If anyone has a story about problems with
their clutch, please email it to me at "warrenp stolaf.edu" The speech is
tomorrow, Thursday, at 9:30am, so any help you could give me I would
greatly appreciate it.

A thousand thanks in advance,
P.J. Warren

broke college student who can't afford a truck, but I still keep a droolin
and a dreamin


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:50:35 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sawdust tires

Yo Richard!

Ha ha ha, that's great! My truck I bought a couple months ago (70 4x4) had
a brand new set of those little things on it! I had never seen/heard of
them before then. If you really like them that much make me an offer!
235/75 R15.

Tony
tony pscico.com
www.pscico.com/~tony

>Anybody remember the old Sawdust tires? Now those things gave you grip, and
>were a lot of fun to light up come spring.
>
>High Plains Richard
>'72 F-100

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:52:24 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke/valve stem guides

>> Bad valve guides/seals can also make a motor smoke at startup.
>> Fords valve stem seals seem to often die an early death and can make
>> for smoking during startup or when coasting down hill with the throttle
>> shut.


>I have a similar problem with smoke on startup on my 71 f250 360- how
>do i test for bad valve stem guides?

Bad stem seals are usually easy to spot. Pull the valve covers and shine
a flashlight in to the valve springs and look... if you find a bunch of
seals that are broken up or missing, then they ain't no good.
The Ford stem seals get brittle with age and simply crumble up and go away.

Checking the guides themselves is a little tougher. If you remove one or two
valve springs, you can rock the top of the valve stem back and forth in the
guide and see if the play is excessive. Look up the specs in your favorite
book, but stem to guide clearance is typically in about the .001"-.003" range.
Wear is usually worst at the combustion chamber end of the guide, but you
can usually get a decent idea of whats going on by checking clearance at
the valve spring end.



Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:26:19 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE Transfer (finally!!!!!)

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:46:25 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: : Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild / Transfer (finally!!!!!)

>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about slow moving. My new address will be in
the Portland Maine area (brrrrr!).

My brother happens to be sitting here, visiting from Damariscotta ME, about
one hour NE of Portland. He points out:
1. They plow the roads in Portland, you do not need a plow;
2. Unless you particularly want a vehicle that looks like sand-crawler from
the movie Dune to impress all the part-timers from south of the Mason-Dixon
line;
3. A simple working-man's 2x will suffice for most occasions as two years
of driving his 14-yr old Volvo will attest

Of course, he would like to have a 4x truck himself.

Jim E.
====================================
Yeah my wife tells me that it's not like everyone else thinks. A snow storm
will come in and dump a bunch of snow and then after a while it will melt.
I spent three years in Anchorage AK with no 4X4 no problem. I've driven
2X4s with chains by 4X4s stuck in a ditch on the same road. Mainly I just
want one ;0). Also after living in the silicone valley -- ever see the
original Star Trek where this alien planet had eliminated all disease and
death and it was so crowded that there were bodies against bodies and
everyone was praying for a merciful death -- I may want to live in a remote
rural area ;0). I also spent 4 years in Kansas City and noticed a funny
thing about road salt. Every time it would snow the road crews would be out
dumping huge amounts of salt on the roads. Everyone in town was up tight
until their roads got salted. The salt would melt the snow and then it
would re-freeze as ice with huge ruts in it. But outside of town where no
one cared the roads did not get salt and the wind would just blow the snow
off and those roads would be clean and dry, last longer too. I would have
liked to have seen what would have happened if they just plowed with no
salt.

Tom H.


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:32:20 PDT
From: "eldon eversull"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 61 power brakes

I put disk brakes and a 2 chamber master cylinder with a power booster
on Fred (aka 64 F100, 2wd, swb) last weekend. The booster and master
cylinder are from Master Power Brakes in NC and the disk brakes are from
Engineering Concepts in CT. All the parts cost a lot of money (probably
$1000) and I can't tell you how it works yet as the brake lines and
connecting rod to the brake pedal are not hooked up.

The instructions were rotten or non-existant. But everything just bolts
up once you figure out which end is up or what is right or left. The
hangup right now are the brake hoses. The old ones bolted to the frame
while the new ones clip on, using clips that 3 new car dealers just
looked dumbfounded at me when I asked to buy ones that would work. I am
going to try to use e-clips, but don't know if they will hold.

- --Now a question about my ammeter--My alternator is a Delco-Remy with an
internal voltage regulator. There are two wires out of the alternator.
I hooked the big (#10) wire to the ammeter and then that wire goes out
to the starter solenoid. It shows a charge when the engine is running,
but no discharge when starting. There is no discharge even with the
engine off and headlights on. What gives there?

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:31:36 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE Wierd thingy

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:01:07 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy

>
junque yard.


Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

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Sounds like some sort of yuppie salon ;0)

Tom H
Soon to be in Maine.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:57:05 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold

>From: Rusty Nail
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold
>
>I'm considering changing my '79 400 over from
>a 2 barrel to a 4 barrel. was hoping I could get
>some help on intake manifold choices and
>sizes.

Yo Rusty:

There are three aftermarket 4V intake manifolds manufactured for the
M-block (351M/400). Weiand makes an Action Plus model (#8010) and
Edelbrock has both EGR (#3771) and non-EGR (#2171) Performer models.
Weiand rates their manifold for 1000 - 6000 rpms and Edelbrock rates theirs
for idle - 5500 rpms.

The Weiand manifold and the Edelbrock non-EGR manifold have no provisions
for EGR or Thermactor plumbing. You probably don't have a Thermactor (air
injection pump) on your '79, but you do have EGR. If you live in a place
that requires the EGR to (appear to) be functional for emissions legality,
your only option is the Edelbrock EGR manifold.

Since it has all the EGR and Thermactor ports, the Edelbrock EGR manifold
is an emissions legal replacement for '75-'80 M-blocks. The EGR manifold
comes with a 2V EGR adapter that allows you to use the stock Motorcraft
2150 2V carb, so you don't have to pop for the 4V carb at the same time to
be able to use the manifold. If you don't want to use EGR, you can block
off the EGR passage in the carb flange (say, with a non-EGR spacer or
adapter). If you want the 4V EGR adapter, you have to cough up another $50
or so.

Good luck w/ your truck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:19:36 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold

Dave Resch wrote:
> If you live in a place
> that requires the EGR to (appear to) be functional for emissions legality,
> your only option is the Edelbrock EGR manifold.
>

I have heard that some states checking EGR are using a vac pump hooked
to EGR valve. If they open EGR at idle, the engiine should start to die,
if they open EGR and engine does not start to die, you fail. This may
kill the idea of "the appearance of having EGR" is some states.

> Since it has all the EGR and Thermactor ports, the Edelbrock EGR manifold
> is an emissions legal replacement for '75-'80 M-blocks. The EGR manifold
> comes with a 2V EGR adapter that allows you to use the stock Motorcraft
> 2150 2V carb, so you don't have to pop for the 4V carb at the same time to
> be able to use the manifold.

>From what I understand, the 4V is illegal (smogwise) on any M-block,
because they never came with 4bbl, at least not in trucks. Not a big
deal, just keep the 2bbl/EGR adapter for inspection.

OX
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:27:31 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rear axle nuts

Thanks to all who responded about the size of the nuts on
the dana rear axle!
Those of you who said the size is 2-9/16" each score one attaboy...

It is indeed 2-9/16", with rounded corners. I scored a socket from the
local parts house today for $20 plus tax.
It's an OTC brand, part no. 1928.
Description on the package is:

"3/4" square drive socket, fits 2-9/16", 6-point rounded corner Dana
axle nuts found on Ford light-duty truck axles."

Thanks again!


Steve
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:45:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear axle nuts

> Axle nuts for the Dana 60 require a 2 9/16" socket, the later Dana
> axles have the rounded corner nuts and require a special socket that
> too has rounded corners. OTC tools makes the socket I have, around
> $25...
>

Bingo! Thanks Steve!

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment

> I really need help with my speech. I know how a clutch works,
> it's just that I need another source for my speech. The prof wants 3
> sources and I have a couple of magazines and a book and I figure that this
> list could count as a source.
>
> broke college student who can't afford a truck

Last time I looked, most college libraries were free. Of course, you
have to get up from in front of your computer and do a little _work_
for that...

Sorry if I sound sarcastic. I used to teach college English, and I got
sick of people telling me they could only find one or two articles on
a subject. Library research isn't hard to do. It just takes a little
up-front effort to figure out how to search for the stuff. Once you
know how to search, the problem usually is too damn _many_ sources.

If, by "sources", the guy/gal means different media, then try hitting
the CarTalk site. I'm sure they've got some amusing clutch problems
in their archive. Or hit the Mech E department and find out which
of their people dabbles in robotics competitions--there are usually
some great self-destruct stories there.

- --sean
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:11:25 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!

My GOD!!!!!!!!!How can this be..I was thrashed for posting a
Henry Ford Joke(notice its about Ford)..ANd I was basically blacked
flagged...and was told this site was for FORD TRUCK Talk....
When did doing speeches on clutches fall in..HMMMMMM Can you
say Double standards......one pissed off member...
Joe
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: "P.J. Warren"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!

I'm sorry if I upset anyone with my previous request. This site has a lot
of knowledgeable people who have had a lot of experiences with vehicles,
some good, others bad. I've been on this list for a while now and many of
you have become like family to me, so I figured that I would ask a family
member for a story that they have to help me with an assignment on
something that deals with what we all love, cars. I'm sorry if it was off
topic, but there are a lot of knowledgeable people who have helped, and to
those who have helped me, I thank you very much. I'm sorry if I have
upset anyone and next time I will make sure that it is more specifically
Ford Truck related.

With deepest apologies,
P.J. Warren

broke college student who can't afford a truck, but I keep a droolin and a
dreamin ;-)


On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Joe & Jen DeLaurentis wrote:

> My GOD!!!!!!!!!How can this be..I was thrashed for posting a
> Henry Ford Joke(notice its about Ford)..ANd I was basically blacked
> flagged...and was told this site was for FORD TRUCK Talk....
> When did doing speeches on clutches fall in..HMMMMMM Can you
> say Double standards......one pissed off member...
> Joe
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:06:41 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims

I had to think about this a little bit. I live in Texas so what do I know
about snow?
About 10 years ago I bought a 4wd and it had some 33 12.50 15 Power Cat all
terrains. Talk about your compromises. They did "okay" at everything. A
couple of years later I put a set of big lug mudders. In mud and snow they
were excellent. But on ice or wet roads they were terrible. No sipes.
From what I have read and heard the best thing for snow is a good all season
radial. The very best is supposed to be the old General Grabber. I haven't
seen them in a long time. I don't know if they still make them. They had a
blocky tread pattern with boo-koo siping.
I know a guy that goes to CO every year for dear season in an old 4wd
Suburpo that had the Grabbers on it. He was always pulling everybody else
out of ditches and snow drifts. He swore by them until he wore them out and
couldn't find any more.
Anyway that's what I've heard. But like I said, I live in Texas.


Kerry Walker


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:18:28 -0500
From: Jim Pitcock
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spring noise

Any ideas on how to silence the clutch pedal spring.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:00:40 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Speech Assignment/He SHould be Whipped!!!!

>My GOD!!!!!!!!!How can this be..I was thrashed for posting a
>Henry Ford Joke(notice its about Ford)..ANd I was basically blacked
>flagged...and was told this site was for FORD TRUCK Talk....

I think the problem was not that you told a joke on the list, but that
the joke had a rather sexual content.
I've been guilty of somewhat off-color humor on the list in the past also,
and Ken had to remind me that there are members of all ages on the list
and that might not be appropriate for some.
Ken reminded me that many schools have internet access, and that there
were members as young as 13 years old on the list. When someones
parents get ticked off about stuff that they don't think their kids
should be hearing on FTE, Ken's the one that has to field all the flack.
Remember, Ken has to try and keep 3000 people happy, so we try not to make
it any harder for him than necessary...

Personally I thought the joke was funny, but...

>When did doing speeches on clutches fall in..HMMMMMM Can you
>say Double standards......

Hey, as long as it's about Ford truck clutches, it seems like fair game
for the list. FTE is a great place for people to research info for
school automotive projects!

>one pissed off member...
>Joe

Aww, don't be pissed, just relax and take it in stride. You're not the
first one to get blasted for that kind of stuff. It's happened to me
and others before, and it's not that big of a deal. It's just part of
life and it's best to not take it too personally...

Happy motoring!



Steve
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:08:01 -0700
From: "Andrew W. Ford - Speaking For Myself"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)

Richard Currit wrote:

> Tom asks:
>
> >FTC. What kind of tires work best in snow? Brand names?
>
>
> I can only speak for myself but I have a definate favorite for my truck.
> Goodyear Workhorse Radials.
> I have gone through winters in the Washington Cascades (wet, heavy snow) the Sierra Nevada's (wet heavy snow) the Colorado Rockies (Powder snow) and now in Wyoming (usually powder snow moving sideways at 100 mph, except when it decides to form mountainous drifts). Yes, I have moved a lot for my job. These tires have never failed to perform. I can honestly say that I have never got my truck stuck with these tires on it.

My experience to snow is limited to skiing & camping trips

(THANK GOD! 8^), but...

I had a set of Goodyear Wrangler GSAs on a 91 4x4 of dispicable make. On

one particular trip, I encountered a J**P Wagoneer 4x4 (with chains...

on the rear tires?) in a ditch. I stopped, set my parking brake, got

my tow rope out, hooked it up, jumped back in and started pulling him

out. My rear end started sliding sideways. My opinion of GSAs was

slipping ... until I had him out, put her in park, went to step on the

parking brake and ... It was set the whole time!

I went camping last winter on 12.5x33 GSAs with about 2.5 years/30k? miles

on them. We ran into some snow going up and mud coming down. I had to

ram a 2 - 2.5 foot deep by 20 yard long patch a number of times to get

through, but I never came close to getting stuck. Two days later, we left

in the late afternoon back down a 2.5 mile abandoned logging road which

had turned to mud soup. She slipped around a bit, but, again, not even

close to loss of control or stuck.

P.S.: I have a 4:11 (or is that 4:10??) rear end on this truck and

had an optional 3.42 on the previous 4x4: YMMV IMHO, a low gear ratio

can do as much, or more, than tires under low speed/slippery conditions.

P.P.S.: Goodyear has discontinued the 12.5x33 Wrangler GSA - the largest now

made is 10.5x30. I'm now running 12.5x33 Wrangler ATs on one axle, but

I haven't had the chance to *test* them.

Later,

78 F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab / 351M C6

- --
Andrew Ford (602)581-4499....


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