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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, October 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 475



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Success!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - RESISTOR WIRE LOCATION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!
FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)
FTE 61-79 - Success- Backfire!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
FTE 61-79 - 300 I6 HELP NEEDED
FTE 61-79 - Strange Noise
: Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild / Transfer (finally!!!!!)
FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.
FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61
FTE 61-79 - De-Chroming?
FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke, a whole lot of smoke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke, a whole lot of smoke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy
FTE 61-79 - To Ken's Health

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:57:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!

Finally! after weeks of work and patience, I got my 352 back together with new rings and rod bearings.
Thanks to those who responded to my no start post yesterday....I was infact the distributor on "backwards".
Duh, its a 4 stroke right? I can't believe I did that.

Anyway, after getting the dist on right, it started up almost immediately. There was a rather large (and
impressive) backfire through the carb, including flames going up to the ceiling, but no damage was done
and no one was hurt. Guess I got an exhaust leak to track down.....

Thanks to everyone again. This group is the best....
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:15:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 bkirking bcm.tmc.edu wrote:

> Finally! after weeks of work and patience, I got my 352 back together with new rings and rod bearings.
> Thanks to those who responded to my no start post yesterday....I was infact the distributor on "backwards".
> Duh, its a 4 stroke right? I can't believe I did that.
>
> Anyway, after getting the dist on right, it started up almost immediately. There was a rather large (and
> impressive) backfire through the carb, including flames going up to the ceiling, but no damage was done
> and no one was hurt. Guess I got an exhaust leak to track down.....

i had this same symptom when i pput a new intake on- turned out that a rod
had slipped out when i put the rocker shaft assembly back on- so check to
make sure all your rods are in place-


clare



>
> Thanks to everyone again. This group is the best....
> Bryan Kirking
> 66 Step Side
> 352 4 speed
> Houston, Texas
>
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Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:20:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims

>Bill I had a 77 f150 4X4 with 31 by 10.5 mudders on it. I could drive
>through six to eight inches of snow in MN with the truck in two wheel drive!
>With a truck of your age you shouldn't have to many problems unless the snow
>is VERY thick and sticky. Then it tends not to clean out of the lugs very
>well. I would say that you have at least several hundred pounds on your
>sisters truck but don't know weights for sure.
>
Well since I'm due south of you, we tend to get the nice packed snow. When
its soft and fluffy, you're right you can go through it no problem, I've
been through 13" of that stuff (the mufflers left some nice furrows in that
stuff :). My problem is when the temp starts to get near 30, I just don't
have enough umph down low, and I end up floating all over the road.


>A 275 tire should be getting pretty close to a 10.5 depending on the
>manufacturers so I would look at the tire design itself. Big lugs clear
>better in soft fluffy snow and will dig very well. Tires with lots of
>"sipping" will bite much better on ice.

Unless I'm doing something wrong, isn't a 275 actually a bit larger than a
10.5 ? 10.5x25.4 (conversion from inches to mm) = 266.7 ??? I know all
the tire manufacutrers are saying its "the next size down", so do they
measure that from a different point or what ?


You need to pick a tire for the
>type of snow you will drive in the most.

I guess I haven't seen a "sipping" rating on tires ?? :) Anyone
recommend anything for the wetter snow ? I had Wild Country's on when I
got the truck,and they were good, but worn out. Now I've got Uniroyal A/T
's, they're pretty good compared to a worn out set of WC's, but I haven't
really had that many tires to compare with.


I would also check and make sure
>your lockouts are working. Could be you're still in 2wd? Be careful not to
>go to small or you will take the risk of hitting your lockouts on objects as
>you drive off-road.
>
Yeah, the lockouts are working, at least I can spin one front and one rear
tire (open diffs still :(

Usually I can spin both the rears if the fronts are spinning too, but at
any rate its definately getting power through the front end. As for hub
clearance, here in central Iowa, there's not a lot of worry on that, unless
you don't see that cow lying in the road ;) j/k I don't do, well any,
offroading out here, unless you count our "gravel" road after it rains. I
always thought you were supposed to put rock on the road, not dirt ....
*shrug*

Thanks for the help though, I really appreciate it.
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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:38:25 EDT
From: bobherring juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RESISTOR WIRE LOCATION

From: "Jerry"
>The resistor wire you are looking for runs from the ignition switch thru
>the firewall plug and out eventually
>to the coil.
>It most likely is a pink wire, heavier gauge than most of the other
wires
>on the back of the switch. It could be either red with a green
>stripe.....most Fords of this age all were the same color code.......or
>possibly black with a green stripe.
>There should be three (3) large diameter wires on the ign switch. Its
not
>the solid yellow one. Its not the solid red or solid black one.
>Its the other one.
>Jerry
I have a 72 Ford F100 and swapped the 6 cyl for a 77 400
and the electronic distributor and ignition box. Does the 72
have the resistor wire you are talking about? Someone told
me it did and that I would have to make sure I wired the
ignition to a 12 volt source and not the one from the resistor
because that would be 6 volt.
Thanks
Bobby Herring
'64 F100 short-wide, was 292 Y-block/3speed,
motor in pieces, make me an offer
'72 F100 400/C6 in progress
'93 Ranger 4.0 V6/Auto/Super cab

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:13:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.

From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
Date sent: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:26:35 -0400 (EDT)

> tranmassion leak, which seems to be coming from around the transfer case
> somewhere. I don't know for sure, and I was wondering if somone out there
> could give me some ideas as to what it could be. Thanks.

The C-6 xfer case adapter bolts directly to the rear of the tranny housing
which is open to the oil flow in the tranny, no shaft seals, so must be sealed
to the housing and to the xfer case or you will have leaks.

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:34:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!

Date sent: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 09:15:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Success!!!

> i had this same symptom when i pput a new intake on- turned out that a rod
> had slipped out when i put the rocker shaft assembly back on- so check to
> make sure all your rods are in place-

And if it's not in place, that it's not bent :-(

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:38:03 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)

Tom asks:

>FTC. What kind of tires work best in snow? Brand names?


I can only speak for myself but I have a definate favorite for my truck.
Goodyear Workhorse Radials.
I have gone through winters in the Washington Cascades (wet, heavy snow) =
the Sierra Nevada's (wet heavy snow) the Colorado Rockies (Powder snow) =
and now in Wyoming (usually powder snow moving sideways at 100 mph, except =
when it decides to form mountainous drifts). Yes, I have moved a lot for =
my job. These tires have never failed to perform. I can honestly say that =
I have never got my truck stuck with these tires on it.

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100 (with a camper, the extra weight in the back doesn't hurt =
either)

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:03:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)

Date sent: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:38:03 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Snow tires (was Transfer (finally!!!!!)

> I can only speak for myself but I have a definate favorite for my truck.
> Goodyear Workhorse Radials.

What size are these tires and is your truck 4wd?

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:46:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Success- Backfire!

Reguarding the backfire in my rebuilt engine,
CLARE WATERMAN [waterman email.unc.edu] advised:

i had this same symptom when i pput a new intake on- turned out that a rod
had slipped out when i put the rocker shaft assembly back on- so check to
make sure all your rods are in place-

I will keep this in mind. I actually did get one of the rods out of place and took the shaft back off to get it on
so I *think* they are ok. The truck was doing this before the rebuild and I did notice a little smoke around
the exhaust manifold / junction with the tail pipe so I suspect this is an exhaust leak. However, Recent posts
reguarding air cleaner size and air cleaner base plate have me thinking.....


Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:46:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.

Thanks for the info.

- --


MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:05:57 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.

What the?????????
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:41:20 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Hey gang,

I've gotta do rear wheel bearings on my great-uncles '75 F250 this evening or
tomorrow and I stared at the exploded veiw of the dana rear end for a few
minutes and now I'm wondering what size socket it takes to get them big old
nuts
off so I can get in there. I'd like to have all the right tools in hand before
I get the thing disabled in my driveway...
Can anyone out there tell me what size that sucker is?
Any handy tips for doing the bearings on the Dana axle?

Thanks!

Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 14:07:47 -0500
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300 I6 HELP NEEDED

Alright help me with this 300 stuff.

On the 300 I-6, anybody know what these can be bored out to? I was
thinking about building up a nice inline torque motor for the hell of it
for my '79 150 4x4. Curious to know max power I can obtain from one of
these jewels. Also, what are the valve sizes??? Stock hp and torque
ratings?? Also, what kinda fuel injection are the late models? Speed
Density?

Ideas?


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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:28:36 +0000
From: "Rusty Nail"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange Noise

Was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem or know what it could
be. I have a howl in my front end that sounds allot like big tires on
pavement at high speed. It only happens when I'm going about 35-50 mph and
it happens on both gravel and pavement. I've changed the u-joints. Any
guesses.

Rusty Nail
'79 400 Explorer 2wd
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:46:25 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: : Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild / Transfer (finally!!!!!)

>Good spark to number 5 but can't get much to number 1.

In addition to all the other responses about dist./engine phasing, I
contribute this:
I have several times run into intermittent firing, sometimes on all
cylinders, sometimes only on some. The first time I discovered this, I did
not realize it was happening, just questioning performance drop. One simple
way to check this is to use an inductive timing light, and just clip the
pickup around each sparkplug wire and look for steady firing of the light.
This will help you pickup which cylinders are a problem and which ones are
okay. FWIW - every time I have found this, it has been due to either a coil
that was going bad but not gone, or, more often, a bad (loose or cracked)
connection at the coil, or an intermittent short in the primary wire to the
distributor.

>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about slow moving. My new address will be in
the Portland Maine area (brrrrr!).

My brother happens to be sitting here, visiting from Damariscotta ME, about
one hour NE of Portland. He points out:
1. They plow the roads in Portland, you do not need a plow;
2. Unless you particularly want a vehicle that looks like sand-crawler from
the movie Dune to impress all the part-timers from south of the Mason-Dixon
line;
3. A simple working-man's 2x will suffice for most occasions as two years
of driving his 14-yr old Volvo will attest

Of course, he would like to have a 4x truck himself.

Jim E.



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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 18:58:08 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy

Ok all you Ford fanatics, I have a good question for you. I was talkin to my
dad today and he throws a wierd canister at me. He said it came off the
aircleaner and to put it back on. He took it off cause it was full of water.
My question is, What the hell is it? Its a canister about the size of an oil
filter, its the same blue as the aircleaner and has motorcraft stamped on the
end, so I know its stock.Only thing I could think of is that maybe its some
sort of muffler to quiet the carb noise, although if that the case Its stayin
off. I love the sound of a big block breathin deep. Hope someone can help me
out here.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle nuts.

Steve asked:
> Hey gang,
>
> I've gotta do rear wheel bearings on my great-uncles '75 F250 this evening or
> tomorrow and I stared at the exploded veiw of the dana rear end for a few
> minutes and now I'm wondering what size socket it takes to get them big old
> nuts off so I can get in there. I'd like to have all the right tools in hand
> before

And now I'm going to plead:

Please! I'd like to know too. NAPA stores have a listing of sizes for FRONT
axle nuts on 4x4 applications, but not rear. He said "just pull the axle out,
we'll have it". I, like Steve, would rather have it first.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California Where Indian Summer has broken out, Big time :-)

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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:10:56 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Power brakes for '61

Seems like there's a few of us right now looking for dual master
cylinder and booster parts for '61-'66 F-series! I have the old 'fruit
jar' too, and I just don't have the faith in it anymore with the new
460. For now, I'm taking my chances. But this will be rectified soon!
If I find anything, it'll be posted...

Norm
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 20:17:37 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - De-Chroming?

I have a good set of chrome spoker rims, except there is quite a bit of
surface rust. I would be happy just to paint them white. Is there some kind of
nasty chemical one can get in order to either etch the chrome or remove it so
I can paint the rims????

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:06:12 -0500
From: jedolson juno.com (JOHN E DOLSON)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke, a whole lot of smoke

My 1976 F150, 360, C6 releases a huge amount of white smoke when
I start it up, although only when it has set parked for several hours
about 6 or 7. What could cause this to happen? It also seems to smoke
more when it is low on oil. I've been told about burnt valves and bad
valve guides. Someone also suggested that the cause could be my
transmission's vaccum modulator, Is this possible or is this guy just a
nutball? (Ihave my suspicions) although I do seem to be missing some
transmission fluid. Any replys would be greatly appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:45:20 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blowing smoke, a whole lot of smoke

> My 1976 F150, 360, C6 releases a huge amount of white smoke when
>I start it up, although only when it has set parked for several hours
>about 6 or 7. What could cause this to happen? It also seems to smoke
>more when it is low on oil. I've been told about burnt valves and bad
>valve guides. Someone also suggested that the cause could be my
>transmission's vaccum modulator, Is this possible or is this guy just a
>nutball? (Ihave my suspicions) although I do seem to be missing some
>transmission fluid. Any replys would be greatly appreciated.


Yeah, a bad vacuum modulator on the tranny can make the motor smoke
badly, especially at startup. Find the vacuum line on the modulator and
pull it off and see if it's oily inside. If so, you've probably found
the culprit. The modulator is easy to change, it just screws into the
tranny.

Bad valve guides/seals can also make a motor smoke at startup.
Fords valve stem seals seem to often die an early death and can make
for smoking during startup or when coasting down hill with the throttle
shut. I did stem seals on a friends 351W early this summer, and it made
a big difference in smoking and oil use.
The seals aren't too bad to change without pulling the heads. I can
change a set in a couple hours, but I've done it several times before...
If you decide it needs new stem seals, there's an bit about how to
do it without pulling the heads in the FTE website tech articles.


Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:01:07 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wierd thingy

>Ok all you Ford fanatics, I have a good question for you. I was talkin to my
>dad today and he throws a wierd canister at me. He said it came off the
>aircleaner and to put it back on. He took it off cause it was full of water.
>My question is, What the hell is it? Its a canister about the size of an oil
>filter, its the same blue as the aircleaner and has motorcraft stamped on the
>end, so I know its stock.Only thing I could think of is that maybe its some
>sort of muffler to quiet the carb noise, although if that the case Its stayin
>off. I love the sound of a big block breathin deep. Hope someone can help me
>out here.

Hmmmm, yeah, I've seen those big blue oil filter looking thingies poking
off the side of air cleaners on motors at the junque yard.
I never looked at one too closely, cuz they looked so silly that I just
didn't want to know... I always assumed that it was an intake filter for the
PCV air into the crankcase. It would certainly take them longer to get
plugged up than those little fiber pad things that many PCV systems use...



Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 01:15:52 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - To Ken's Health

> The EKG, blood work and cat scan came back normal. I was
> told to get bed rest until I could see a neurologist. On
> Saturday, the symptoms came back. I was given an MRI. It
> came back normal. Today I say the neurologist. It turns
> out that I was having an unusual/rare form of migraine headache.
> I normally don't get many headaches so this was a surprise to me!

Ken,

I'm glad that it turned out better than it might have been, but....

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