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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, October 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 474



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest
FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild
FTE 61-79 - Uh oh, synchro...?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Uh oh, synchro...?
FTE 61-79 - Re: FE connecting rod clearances
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Connecting Rod Bearing Clearances
Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Funny crossmember between radius arm brackets
FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250
FTE 61-79 - intake manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild
FTE 61-79 - Transfer (finally!!!!!)
FTE 61-79 - Old Ford for Sale
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 More 300 I6 questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 More 300 I6 questions
FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering
FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My health and thanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My health and thanks
FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes for '61

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:46:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest

> tests, its turned out to be a minor problem that mimmicks a

Glad to hear that...

- --sean
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 07:46:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild

To those of you following my initiation into motor teardowns, I have finally put my 352 back together. New
rings, new rod bearings and appropriate gaskets, everthing went together ok and I didn't have any extra
parts leftover!

Of course, there is a problem. I cant get the motor started! I seem to be getting good fuel supply but the
spark is intermitten. Good spark to number 5 but can't get much to number 1. I've checked the wires to
make sure they are on good and cleaned some of the contacts that were a little dirty. Still no luck.

My best guess is that I dont have the distributor on correctly. I was originally going to rering just one bad
cylinder so I marked the distributor so that I could take out the bad piston then put the motor back together
and be close to original, but too many things changed when I did all rings and I think I need some more
guidance. I put the motor at TDC and the put the distributor on with the rotor pointing to #1. How should I
have really done this?
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Uh oh, synchro...?

Howdy again, folks.

Thanks for the tuning advice (again :). I've got my '78 timed
right, and she runs beautifully. But... =:-0

I'm worried the synchronizers are going on my transmission. This is
the manual truck-style tranny--4 speed with super low 1st and reverse.
Both third and fourth gears sometimes grind on me. The shift into third
can sometimes be eased by going partway with the lever, then backing
off and throwing it all the way. It also seems to work if I am very
'authoritative' with the shift (but my gut says that ain't good for the
mechanism). When fourth gear misses, I have to put her in neutral and
double-clutch (though it doesn't happen in fourth as often). The
manual I have doesn't go into any detail about the transmission's
guts. Am I looking at major down-time here?

BTW, this is a F-150 Custom 4x4.

- --sean
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:04:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Uh oh, synchro...?

I wrote:

> I'm worried the synchronizers are going on my transmission. This is

Just realized I ought to have said that my clutch is fine--adjusted
properly and plenty of "meat" to the travel. No problem shifting into
any of the gears when stopped.

- --sean
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:17:32 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE connecting rod clearances

>>According to my orange shop manual, the clearance for rod bearings on my
>352
>>are 0.010" to 0.020".

>Bryan,
> I think you may be missing a 0 in those clearances they should be
>.001-.002"
> Cheers,
>Doug

>I have rebuilt numerous engines and know that if any engine has the of kind
>clearance you talk about between bearing and journal it is ready for the
scrap
>heap. 0.001 to 0.002 is more like the spec, possibly even all the way up
to
>0.0025. If you have 0.008 now you need to have your crank turned and a new
>set of bearings. If perchance you really have 0.0008 instead of 0.008

I concur, without even looking at the manual, .001-.002 is way more
reasonable. Not to mention that it will run much quieter than the
rod-clacking clatter of a .010-.020 clearance :-). The sound of gravel in
the coffee can I dip pistons in comes to mind.

As far as the .008, that is after you really loosened up the c-rod caps and
tapped stuff around, so if you go back to straight installation, you may
well be a whole lot closer to where you ought to be. And yes, for the record
of a previous thread, I Plastigauge during assembly.

Jim E.



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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:27:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Connecting Rod Bearing Clearances

Thanks to Curtis, Doug, Burt and Jim for your replies.

I left out a crucial fact in my original post. I am refering the clearance between adjacent (side to side) rod
bearings NOT the bearing to crankshaft clearance. That is why .010 to .020 seems so high. I was able to
get the proper clearance by loosening the nuts and using a screw driver to gently "adjust" the space
between the rod caps.

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 07:31:08 -0600
From: BJ Tiemessen
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild

I think you have the right idea. Pull out the #1 cylender spark plug, unplug the coil, then bump the starter
and hold your thumb over the spark plug hole. When you find the compression stroke then line up the timing marks
on the balancer. Remember, if you just line up the timing marks and try to time it without finding the
compression stroke, the timing could be 180 off.

BJ

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:36:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Funny crossmember between radius arm brackets

>> Had to run outside and check mine. It has 2 bolts on each end on top of the
>> frame. '68 F100, came with an FMX. ( FMX recently sold for scrap )
>
>Sure that wasn't an FTX? I thought FMX was front wheel drive. I could
>be wrong. Always looking to know more.
>

Just a clarification, the FMX is indeed a rear wheel drive tranny, we've
got ... 4 of them I think, the newest is a 74 and they're all in cars (2 69
Cougars, 70 Torino, 74 Gran Torino Elite (parts car)) I've heard a lot of
people don't like them, but we've never had a problem with them, and can
even get a 2nd gear scratch with the Cougar (351 bored n cammed)


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 08:43:24 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250

>John. There are supposed to be bolts through both the radius arm brackets
>and the frame. I think four of them under the frame rail. How did you get
>the tranny out without pulling that crossmember, BTW???
>
I didn't pull it out because there isn't room to do so without removing the
radius arm brackets. I just took out the trans crossmember and then slid
the other one back behind the transmission.

>The reason they aren't there is because they tend to be a PITA and someone
>was too lazy to put them in. When I got my '67 the entire crossmember was
>missing!! I had to jack the frame apart with a floor jack handle and a
>bottle jack to put one in.
>
Yeah, I kinda figured. It looked like the holes were there but didn't line
up.

By the way to Birken: It is for sure FMX. Cast iron case with seperate
bell housing, Ford's first 3-speed automatic. I've got one in my '64.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 98 09:51:54 -0000
From: Rusty Nail
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold

I'm considering changing my '79 400 over from a 2 barrel to a 4 barrel.
was hoping I could get some help on intake manifold choices and sizes.

Either new or used, what's best? most practical? What about carburator
choices?

rusty
'79 400 Explorer.
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:48:59 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No Start after rebuild

You could have the dist. 180 degrees out. TDC at #1 occurs twice per cycle at
the top of the exhaust, and the compression strokes. Pull the dist and rotate
the engine 1 full turn, this should take care of your problem. If not, I'd
suspect a mistiming of the cam.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:36:17 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transfer (finally!!!!!)

THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE!! THE NEW PHONE BOOKS ARE HERE!! (frantic
jumping and waving of arms).

Actually the paperwork for my transfer out of the rat race in the silicone
valley has been approved. I'll be moving out around the end of the month.
Some of you long time readers might remember me mentioning this last
DECEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about slow moving. My new address will be in
the Portland Maine area (brrrrr!). I've discussed with SWMBO about our
upcoming need for a 4X4. I think she'll be swayed. Maybe I can get a plow
too ;0).

FTC. What kind of tires work best in snow? Brand names?

Tom H.

PS. If anyone lives in the San Jose area I have a nice double wide mobile
home (pre-fab dwelling). With the right loan you could be living here for
around $1000/month, maybe less -- very cheap for around 1200 square feet.
E-mail privately if interested.
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:04:43 -0400
From: "Graves, Greg"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old Ford for Sale

I have been a list member for time now, but this is a first time posting for
me. I know that this year Ford truck really falls outside of this list, but
if most of you are like me, a nice original restoration will catch your eye.
There is a 1937 Ford 11/2 ton stake bed, flathead V8, dual rears, two speed
axle for sale in the Burlington, NC area that looks to have been fully
restored. It was owned by a local business man who operated a statewide
grocery chain. It is setting on a local used car lot and asking price is
$15,000, but I was told they would entertain all offers. If anyone is
interested you can E-mail me for the phone number of the lot.

Greg Graves
Facility Services
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-1800

1967 F-350 Stake bed

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:02:56 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 More 300 I6 questions

I may have missed the response to this previous question but do the =
manifolds, alternator brackets, valve covers etc. off of a 240 bolt right =
up to a 300? Also, is there a web page or other spot that lists the =
various torque and horsepower ratings for different Ford engines? I am =
also curious about a two barrel carb setup for the 300. I have heard some =
people on the list talk about even putting 4 barrels on these torque =
monsters. Are the 2 barrel setups easy to locate? What years etc., of =
trucks would be best to look for in the yards that might have these? Alas =
I have many questions. The 240 in my truck isn't dead yet, but it is =
coughin up blood. It is now parked for the winter, during which time it =
will get a heart transplant. As if you hadn't guessed, it will be getting =
a 300.

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:32:04 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 More 300 I6 questions

As far as the 300 goes, I'd get the 4 bbl manifold and a Holley 390. I've seen
that combo work well on a lot of 6s. It should work well for you, and even
seems to get a bit better mileage than a 2 bbl, if you drive it right.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 21:58:39 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy Steering

Has anyone with a 76 highboy updated their steering to the integral 78-79
style setup? Looks like the new steering box is going to be a pretty tight
fit....Does the front crossmember need a little hacking????

Also, anyone have a spare pitman arm from the 78-79 setup????

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.

How's everyone doing now? I just suscribed to this list, and just to let
you all know, I drive a 79 Ford F250. I currently dropped a 460 bbl in
it, and it hauls. That didn't prove to be to bad, but I have a
tranmassion leak, which seems to be coming from around the transfer case
somewhere. I don't know for sure, and I was wondering if somone out
there could give me some ideas as to what it could be. Thanks.

-Justin Farcas
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MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 22:31:43 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My health and thanks

Many members have sent, either through the lists or personally,
their concerns since I announced that I was on bed rest last
week.

Now that the ordeal is over, I'll let everyone know what
happened. Thursday night I started having numbness on the
left side of my face and on my left arm. Fearing the worst,
since something like this usually indicates a) heart attack,
b) stroke or c) brain tumor, I went to the hospital.

The EKG, blood work and cat scan came back normal. I was
told to get bed rest until I could see a neurologist. On
Saturday, the symptoms came back. I was given an MRI. It
came back normal. Today I say the neurologist. It turns
out that I was having an unusual/rare form of migraine headache.
I normally don't get many headaches so this was a surprise to me!

Well, its not life threatening, or even life-span threatening
so as the say down under: "no worries".

Thanks to the many who expressed their concerns.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:24:56 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My health and thanks

That's the best new I have heard in a long time, lucky you, you don't get
headaches... I do every time my mother in law comes over. just kidding. Good
luck with the headaches Ken, hopefully they are few and far between.
Mike in Seattle
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:06:44 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tires and Rims

Bill Wrote,

>I currently have 31 10.5 15's on my truck, they look good, but I found out
>this winter that if you get more than 3 or 4 inches of snow, then you are
>really floating on it. Its kind of fun, but not real practical. (ie I was
>trying to get home for xmas at 8:00pm and was all over the highway). My
>sister's truck is a 91 3/4 ton with 275 75 15's on it (maybe 16's who
>knows, but there's lots of lugs on it), hers is better than I would have
>guessed with the style of tire she's got. Oh yeah, my truck is a 73ish
>1/2ton 4x4, pics and an explanation of the "ish" are at

Bill I had a 77 f150 4X4 with 31 by 10.5 mudders on it. I could drive
through six to eight inches of snow in MN with the truck in two wheel drive!
With a truck of your age you shouldn't have to many problems unless the snow
is VERY thick and sticky. Then it tends not to clean out of the lugs very
well. I would say that you have at least several hundred pounds on your
sisters truck but don't know weights for sure.

A 275 tire should be getting pretty close to a 10.5 depending on the
manufacturers so I would look at the tire design itself. Big lugs clear
better in soft fluffy snow and will dig very well. Tires with lots of
"sipping" will bite much better on ice. You need to pick a tire for the
type of snow you will drive in the most. I would also check and make sure
your lockouts are working. Could be you're still in 2wd? Be careful not to
go to small or you will take the risk of hitting your lockouts on objects as
you drive off-road.

- -B

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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 00:35:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. New links added to misc vehicle links page.
2. New links added to misc trucks links page.
3. Following pictorial additions:
37 pickup, 41 "Crewcab", 53 F600, 54 F100,
57 F100, 70 F250, 72 F100, 77 F250, 78 F150
92 F150, 98 Ranger, 99 F250 SD Crewcab,
99 F350 SD
4. Event added to events page.
5. Cyber-Teddy Top 500 web site award added to awards page.

T-shirt voting page is in the works.

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:28:54 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes for '61

Well, I am going to have to start driving my '61 F-100 4wd due to my
daily driver Chevy's untimely demise (I flipped the # #% thing over).
All my plans for a full restoration just went out the window and I am
going to have to get by with putting on power brakes alone. It has the....

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