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Ford Truck Enthusiasts Email List Archives >From kpayne Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: owner-61-79-list-digest To: 61-79-list-digest Subject: 61-79-list-digest V2 #471 Reply-To: 61-79-list Sender: owner-61-79-list-digest 61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 471 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - FE Connecting Rod Bearing Clearances FTE 61-79 - Holley Projection FTE 61-79 - dash covers Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Projection FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250 Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250 FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco FTE 61-79 - 460 conversion FTE 61-79 - Box options Re: FTE 61-79 - Box options [none] FTE 61-79 - Tonneau FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 conversion FTE 61-79 - Re: Tonneau Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox FTE 61-79 - Tires and Rims Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox FTE 61-79 - Re:73-79 Beds FTE 61-79 - RESISTOR WIRE LOCATION Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau FTE 61-79 - Engine swap 390 to 429 Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap 390 to 429 Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: bkirking Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Connecting Rod Bearing Clearances According to my orange shop manual, the clearance for rod bearings on my 352 are 0.010" to 0.020". After replacing the bearings, I can not get the minimum clearance on all bearings, but only have about 0.008". Any advice? I have tried loosening the nuts and tapping the sides of the bearing caps with a hammer wich opened things up to 0.008", but I cant imagine what else one can do to get the clearance. BTW the temp in my garage is probably mid to upper 80 F's so maybe the clearance is for 70 F and It'll be okay? Bryan Kirking 66 Step Side 352 4 speed Houston, Texas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:53:44 -0600 From: Mike Orendorf Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley Projection I noticed in the latest Jegs that the Holley Projection units have dropped down in price alot in the last year. I am seriously considering getting one of these sometime soon. Anyone have any experience with the 4DI models? This is the one that is 4 bbl and allows you to setup with a Laptop computer. - - Mike == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:01:53 -0500 From: "Smith, Brian" Subject: FTE 61-79 - dash covers Nils wrote: > have a 73 F100. The dashboard has spent 25 years now baking in the >Mississippi sun (looks more like 50 years). It's cracked, has big portions >flaked off, looks terrible. >I've seen "dash pad covers" advertised in numerous catalogs. They supposedly >fit over the top of the old dash. They're significantly cheaper than a total >raplacement and no doubt would be easier to install. >My question: has anyone ever seen or tried one of these? If so, how did it >work? Does it look alright? Nils, I used a "Coverlay" brand dash cover on my '72 Spitfire to cover a badly cracked dash. Unless you know...you couldn't tell it was there...I was very pleased. It's lasted 14 yrs and it still looks great...and the Spit lived outside for 13 of those yrs. Brian H. Smith 1959 TR3 1972 Spitfire IV 1977 TR7 Lake Charles, LA and a 1967 F-100 with a '83 351W and 3 on the tree == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:12:08 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley Projection >I noticed in the latest Jegs that the Holley Projection units have dropped down in price alot in the last year. I am seriously considering getting one >of these sometime soon. >Anyone have any experience with the 4DI models? This is the one that is 4 bbl and allows you to setup with a Laptop computer. > My girlfriend's dad has one of these, not sure on the model, but he didn't get the O2 sensor. At any rate he was willing to sell it to me to put on any car that "wouldn't be out in weather below 30 or 35 degrees" Basically he said you had to retune it when the temperature dropped that far, and then every 10degrees after that. Something kept breaking on him too, seems like it was a temperature sensor or something. Maybe they've changed them, but I'd watch real closely, his engine is pretty tired after getting "washed" with gasoline from runnin to rich. Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:16:15 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250 Just pulled the C6 out of my '68 for rebuild and I noticed there is a crossmember that goes between the radius arm brackets. The funny thing is it goes up from there on both ends and runs up under the upper part of the frame. Although there are holes there on both the frame and crossmember, there were no bolts (it is only bolted to the radius arm brackets). Are there supposed to be? This is a pretty original truck but I could believe the trans has been out before because one of the bellhousing bolts was also missing. So, does anybody else have this crossmember and, if so, is it bolted to both the radius arm brackets AND the frame, or just the radius arm brackets? _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:50:11 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny crossmember between radius arms - '68 F250 John I have a 74 f350 390 and yes I have the cross member. It is ribit (sp) to the frame through the radius arm bracket. I needed to replace the radius bushing and was told to grind off the ribit and bolt back. This seem to be a major cross member so decided to go the 40.00 a side cost to have them put in. I have bought items from a 74 f250 junker and it did not have this cross member and had the radius arm bracket bolted in. (had been replaced). At 08:16 AM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Just pulled the C6 out of my '68 for rebuild and I noticed there is a >crossmember that goes between the radius arm brackets. The funny thing is >it goes up from there on both ends and runs up under the upper part of the >frame. Although there are holes there on both the frame and crossmember, >there were no bolts (it is only bolted to the radius arm brackets). Are >there supposed to be? This is a pretty original truck but I could believe >the trans has been out before because one of the bellhousing bolts was also >missing. So, does anybody else have this crossmember and, if so, is it >bolted to both the radius arm brackets AND the frame, or just the radius >arm brackets? > _ > _| ~~. John Strauss > \, *_} jstrauss > \( Texas Fight! > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:05:03 EDT From: BDIJXS Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco I was recently checking out a "Petersen's 4-Wheel Drive" magazine and saw two or three ads in the back that advertize all kinds of sheet metal pieces, including bedsides, etc. Might be worth checking out! Colorado Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:25:08 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 conversion Tood Gooding writes: >> will the motor mounts from a '78 or '79 460 equipped 2 wheel drive work in my '77 frame? I have access to the motor mounts on a '78 and '79 460 equipped pickups. NO. Different types of mounting between 2wd and 4X4. 4. The engine has 80, 000 miles and the compression checks out at 122 to 125 on all cylinders. It does not smoke on start up or otherwise and runs well. However, pulling the valve covers off shows an oily film buildup (not too bad though) on the valve covers. Also, the PCV valve exhibits a similar film buildup around the opening. Is this caused from blowby past the valve guides, or neglect by the previous owner to change the oil? Completely normal. Most any engine with 80000 miles will exhibit these characteristics. Engine is probably good for at least that many more miles, as is, with maybe the exception of timing chain/gear. 5. I have access to a set of early DOVE heads off of a 429 with the smaller combustion chambers. As best as I can fgure it, the compression ratio would change from 8.0:1 to around 9.3:1 give or take a tenth. Is this too much compression to use with today's low octane pump gas? NO. 460 is quite forgiveable of higher compression, however the cam selection, if changed, may effect this. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:15:02 -0700 From: "Brodie, Doug" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Box options OK folks. This is my first post. Let's see how it works. I just bought a '79 F250 Supercab 4X4. Been wanting one since they were new. Now for my question. Can anybody tell me what options were available for the different beds on the '79s. For example, could you get one with dual tanks and the little tool box on the right side? What about the same configuration on a short bed? I've been checking every box I see but I haven't seen any with both dual tanks and side compartment. Can any one tell me where I might get this information? Thanks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:48:00 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Box options I have a 79 F250 4X4, not a supercab, with the Ranger trim level. It has both the tool compartment on the right and factory dual tanks. - ---------- > From: Brodie, Doug > To: '61-79-list > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Box options > Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:15 AM > > OK folks. This is my first post. Let's see how it works. I just > bought a '79 F250 Supercab 4X4. Been wanting one since they were new. > Now for my question. Can anybody tell me what options were available > for the different beds on the '79s. For example, could you get one with > dual tanks and the little tool box on the right side? What about the > same configuration on a short bed? I've been checking every box I see > but I haven't seen any with both dual tanks and side compartment. Can > any one tell me where I might get this information? Thanks. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:04:03 -0400 From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault" Subject: [none] Thanks to all who replied about the 79 Bronco quarter panels. Here is what I have found out. 1. A place is called "Browns of Two Rivers" and their phone number is: 800-558-7750 if you live outside of Wisconsin 800-242-7678 if you live inside Wisconsin The part number is: 52B-574 and then you specify right or left side. $179.90 each. (Information supplied courtesy of Michael R. Masse, List member.) 2. They were quite helpful but because I live in Canada they suggested an alternate location for these panels so that the "Canadian Peso" does not take such a beating. Their name is CROSSCANADA AUTOPARTS. They are located in Windsor Ontario, and Mississuaga, Ontario. They have a web site at "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crosscanadaparts.com" . They offer a free catalog also. The quarters are about $300.00 Canadian, shipping and handling may be extra, I do not recall. 3. Another place I contacted is "U.S. BODY SOURCE" at U.S. Body Source, Inc, 9009 C.R. 325, Hampton, FL 32044. Sorry no web site yet, but they make fiberglass reproduction parts for many different makes and models of vehicles. They also carry full cab replacements, (Ford pick ups only), flip up front ends, fenders, hoods, full doors and full boxes for pick ups. Rear quarters can be made for about $300.00 U.S. . Shipping can be expensive. (Just think though, no more rust problems!) They had planned to offer a full body replacement for the 78-79 Bronco, but they did not have enough interest/demand at the time. (Whimper, sniffle, sniffle.) They offer different grades/thickness of glass also. Their catalog is $10.00 U.S. and because of the cost of using credit cards to them for this small a purchase they cannot accept them for catalog only orders. :>( (But they were extremely helpful even faxing me the particular pages from their catalog to me for my Bronco! They get a thumbs up for extra effort from me for this!) Parts from Ford are very expensive here, so even the cost of importing the fiberglass reproduction parts from outside Canada is not out of line with this supplier, for me anyway. Ford no longer has full rear quarters available anyway. About Dash pads! Mine needs replacing also! Would like to know if that guy who recovers them in Vegas would ship back mine recovered if I sent him mine? Also Auto Krafters apparently just started making these dash pads as reproduction bolt in replacements. About $250.00 to $300.00 U.S. you can see them at their web site. Web site is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com Now for the disclaimer: I do not have any affiliation with any of the above listed companies. (Except of course loyalty to FORD products!) 8>) I do not receive anything from them, and am not responsible if any of this information is incorrect. (I did try to make sure that it is though!) Hope this helps others! Thanks for the help again. Mr. Paul R. Boudreault Retired RCAF/CAF 79 Ford Bronco, 351M, 4 BB, 4 speed manual, custom balanced & blueprinted, heavy duty parts, body & suspension being restored/rebuilt. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:26:10 -0400 From: "Rogers" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau I'm going to jump on this thread before it breaks. I'm also looking for a nice solid cover for my shortbed '70 F100 and every place that I've looked (Local top distributor of Lund and Leer, JCWitney, etc.) stops with the '73 model. What is the difference between the '70 and '73-79 F100 beds?? Rogers in "Ford-City" rbmii - ------------------------------ >Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:20:23 EDT >From: GMPACHECO >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau >Definitely go for Gem top, I have one made of steel painted black from the >factory in Oregon ... it is beautiful, people run me off the road to get me to >stop to look at it. And very secure. you can dance on it. If you would like a >picture, I have lots of them. >Mike in Seattle >They are pricey, but worth it to me. I have it on a 72 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 conversion Azie wrote: [Something about 460's deleted] Welcome back Azie! Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:10:05 -0500 From: lordjanusz Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tonneau I have a fiberglass Leer shell on my '94, and I've had no trouble with it. The paint is ***not quite*** factory quality (just a little wavy), but close enough from over a foot or so away. It fits nicely, and does not rattle. I know they make fiberglass tonneaus, too. lordjanusz "Unbreakable toys are good for breaking other toys" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:27:33 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox Bryan, Don't think it be much worse. I'm driving it now with the pump running. Just don't try to turn it without it rolling some. Besides I kinda need the exercise and not too many people want to borrow it. He! He! At 08:13 AM 9/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Larry Schmiedekamp [Larry.Schmiedekamp >>Second. Will a manuel gearbox from a f250 of same year bolt into > > the f350 without any mod's? > >Larry, if you go from power to manual perhaps you should consider a new steering wheel? Those nice BIG >steering wheels on trucks without PS provide more leverage. Of course, if you have forearms like Popeye, >it probably wont matter much. >Bryan Kirking >66 Step Side >352 4 speed >Houston, Texas > > >FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:42:04 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tires and Rims I currently have 31 10.5 15's on my truck, they look good, but I found out this winter that if you get more than 3 or 4 inches of snow, then you are really floating on it. Its kind of fun, but not real practical. (ie I was trying to get home for xmas at 8:00pm and was all over the highway). My sister's truck is a 91 3/4 ton with 275 75 15's on it (maybe 16's who knows, but there's lots of lugs on it), hers is better than I would have guessed with the style of tire she's got. Oh yeah, my truck is a 73ish 1/2ton 4x4, pics and an explanation of the "ish" are at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html Several questions have stemmed from the differences in our trucks. Are they similar enough to make a fair comparison, hers has a 302 with f.i., I've got a carbureted 360. ??? I figure she's probably got 410's for gears, I've got 350's or 373's (can't remember which) Also will shaving almost an inch width make that much difference ? Or does her truck weigh more (not sure why it would other than IFS) and I'll need to look at shaving a couple of inches? How narrow of a tire can I get for the same rim ? I know this requires knowing the width of the rim, but these are the ones that were on it when I got it (rims not tires), so I have no idea what width they are, i guess I'd assume they're whatever's easiest to get ahold of (8's?). If you're not into checkin out pics they're wagon wheels. I know its a lot of questions, but I'd like to know some of the answers before I go and spend a bunch of money for tires (mine aren't that worn, cept the fronts from alignment problems that have been fixed) when its not gonna get me anything. Thanks for bein so patient. Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:41:58 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox OOPs! I mean the power steering pump Not running. At 01:27 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Bryan, > >Don't think it be much worse. I'm driving it now with the pump running. > >Just don't try to turn it without it rolling some. Besides I kinda need > >the exercise and not too many people want to borrow it. He! He! > > > > > >At 08:13 AM 9/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>Larry Schmiedekamp [Larry.Schmiedekamp >>>Second. Will a manuel gearbox from a f250 of same year bolt into >> > the f350 without any mod's? >> >>Larry, if you go from power to manual perhaps you should consider a new >steering wheel? Those nice BIG >>steering wheels on trucks without PS provide more leverage. Of course, if >you have forearms like Popeye, >>it probably wont matter much. >>Bryan Kirking >>66 Step Side >>352 4 speed >>Houston, Texas >> >> >>FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:17:22 EDT From: FORDTRKNUT Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:73-79 Beds The beds are from TABCO (don't know a phone number though). My friend bought one and it only lasted 1-1/2 years. The spot welds on the tailgate broke, and the rear wheel well housings spot welds separated from the main bed side. In my honest opionion....they are worthless (unless your going to sell the truck...QUICK!!). I bought a bed from Desert Valley Auto Part (in Phenoix, Arizona). It has NO RUST, dual gas tanks, & the passenger side tool box. I paid $800.00 for the bed and $400.00 shipping to New Jersey on their truck. They make a run out east every month or so. Here's there web address: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dvap.com/index.html Happy Hunting!!! Wayne Grabley == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:36:18 -0400 From: "Jerry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RESISTOR WIRE LOCATION > Also, haven't been able to locate the resistor wire. I checked around the ignition switch. Anyone know for certain? Thanks for the help! > > Matt Tobin The resistor wire you are looking for runs from the ignition switch thru the firewall plug and out eventually to the coil. It most likely is a pink wire, heavier gauge than most of the other wires on the back of the switch. It could be either red with a green stripe.....most Fords of this age all were the same color code.......or possibly black with a green stripe. There should be three (3) large diameter wires on the ign switch. Its not the solid yellow one. Its not the solid red or solid black one. Its the other one. Jerry 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW AC 1970 F100 (ret) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:03:54 -0400 From: Jack Fleming Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau Rick- I have an A.R.E. fiberglass hard tonneau on my Toyota pickup - I literally get stopped on the street by people wanting to know where I got it. The exterior color match provided by the manufacturer and based on my truck's color code was perfect, the inside is just white gel coat. Its very easy to remove if you need to haul something large, although it is sufficiently heavy that it requires 2 people. The locking mechanism is as secure if not more so, than a regular car trunk. Options available included several different interior lights and a color-matched finished underside - neither of which I got. I paid about $600.00 about 18 months ago, and the guy I ordered it through said the "full size" trucks were only slightly higher. After 18 months it has worn very well - I'm completely satisfied and would definitely recommend it. Jack At 07:28 AM 10/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >I have a 78 F250 SuperCab with an 8' box. I want to put a hard tonneau cover on >it. Anyone have any recommendations as to which brand has the best >quality/appearance? >Rick > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:53:53 -0600 From: "Samson A. Flamand" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap 390 to 429 I have a 1971 Ford F-250 two wheel drive pickup with a 4 speed transmission. I want to swap my 390 engine out for a 429 engine but I don't know if it will work. Will the motor mounts and brackets be the same? Can I get a flywheel and bell housing from a 460 with a 4 speed and use it with the 429? Someone told me that the 429 is externally balanced with the automatic transmission torque converter and cannot be mated to a 4 speed transmission?! Am I going to see much of an increase in towing power? I pull a 29 foot high rise 5th wheel trailer? Is this going to be more trouble than it is worth? Please note the pickup originally came with a C-6 automatic transmission. The 429 that I have located is from a 1970 Thunderbird. I believe that it probably has a C-6 transmission also?! I guess I could go back to the automatic if needed, but am quite partial to the 4 speed. (Couldn't seem to keep the C-6 running for more than a year!). == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:30:57 -0400 From: "Melayne Arnold" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap 390 to 429 - -----Original Message----- From: Samson A. Flamand To: 61-79-list Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:11 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap 390 to 429 >I have a 1971 Ford F-250 two wheel drive pickup with a 4 speed >transmission. I want to swap my 390 engine out for a 429 engine but I >don't know if it will work. > >Will the motor mounts and brackets be the same? > No, the FE motor mounts will not work on a 385 series engine. For 2wd I suggest L&L's mounts for the 460. >Can I get a flywheel and bell housing from a 460 with a 4 speed and use >it with the 429? Someone told me that the 429 is externally balanced >with the automatic transmission torque converter and cannot be mated to >a 4 speed transmission?! > No, again. The 429 is internally balanced. The 460 flywheels for standard transmissions were all after '79 so these engines are externally balanced (flywheel). I've used 390 flywheels, neutrally(no) balanced and the bell housing from a 351m/400, get the clutch that matches the flywheel so the bolt patterns line up. These should mate up to either a Borg-Warner T-18 or New Process 435 4-speed transmissions. >Am I going to see much of an increase in towing power? I pull a 29 foot >high rise 5th wheel trailer? > Maybe, the 390 is a great engine, as is the 429. It just depends on how they are built. With the engines being built to the same degree and care, the 429 should have a noticeable edge in bottom end power. >Is this going to be more trouble than it is worth? > It well could be. The 390 is a very strong engine and if you already have the transmission mated to it that you like, the money and trouble it would take to change everything over to 429 could build you a very strong 390. >Please note the pickup originally came with a C-6 automatic >transmission. The 429 that I have located is from a 1970 Thunderbird. >I believe that it probably has a C-6 transmission also?! I guess I >could go back to the automatic if needed, but am quite partial to the 4 >speed. (Couldn't seem to keep the C-6 running for more than a year!). This is only my opinion, so take it for what its worth. I have several F-250's all of which have gotten the 429/460 swap. I really am partial to this engine. However, if one of them had a 390 and the transmission I liked in it, I would have a lot of trouble justifying going to all the expense and.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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