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61-79-list-digest Friday, October 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 470



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco
FTE 61-79 - Tonneau
FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco
FTE 61-79 - Dash pads
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion
FTE 61-79 - Dash pads
FTE 61-79 - 240 to 300 ??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads
Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads
FTE 61-79 - 73-79 aftermarket beds?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad
FTE 61-79 - External Locking Hubs
FTE 61-79 - RE: F100 body lift
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau
FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram & Ballast resistor wire for '70 E-300???

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:37:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco

Mr. Paul R. Boudreault [pboudreault sympatico.ca] wrote:

>I'm not having much luck locating Left and Right Rear Full Quarter Panels
>for my 79 Bronco. I have only been able to find some small patch panels.

>Anyone know where I might be able to get some? I would prefer new ones.

Try LMC Truck www.lmctruck.com or 1 800 222 5664
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:28:13 -0500
From: Rick Sullivan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau

I have a 78 F250 SuperCab with an 8' box. I want to put a hard tonneau cover on
it. Anyone have any recommendations as to which brand has the best
quality/appearance?
Rick

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 8:18:31 MDT
From: todd_gooding mk.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion

This is my first post and I think this is a great discussion group.
Reading the discussions over the last couple of days has been enlightning
and entertaining. I have been reading with particular interest on the 460
conversion thread. I am in the process of installing a '78 460 (out of an
E-250) into my '77 F-250 Custom Crewcab 4X4 (Hiboy). I bought the Crewcab
early this spring (from the original owner) and it has a 351 M, NP205,
NP435, and 4.10 gears. Needless to say it is woefully underpowered, even
with a four barrel carb and gets horrible gas mileage. I figured if I am
going to get crappy gas mileage, I might as well have a 460 in it. I have
some questions concerning the conversion and would like some help.

1. Flywheel--Apparently two different sizes of 390 flywheels (internally
balanced) exist? I am going to look at one today at a local wrecking yard.
It is supposed to be the 11-1/2 inch flywheel. What size is the other
flywheel? Wouldn't the larger flywheel be better for my application, and
is a new ring gear available for the larger flywheel?
2. Motor Mounts--I realize that L&L Products manufactures conversion motor
mounts, but will the motor mounts from a '78 or '79 460 equipped 2 wheel
drive work in my '77 frame? I have access to the motor mounts on a '78 and
'79 460 equipped pickups.
3. Camshaft selection--Has anybody tried the new line of cams for 4x4's?
I am thinking of installing a 218 In, 226 Ex. ( .050) .505, .515 lift. Any
comments?
4. The engine has 80, 000 miles and the compression checks out at 122 to
125 on all cylinders. It does not smoke on start up or otherwise and runs
well. However, pulling the valve covers off shows an oily film buildup
(not too bad though) on the valve covers. Also, the PCV valve exhibits a
similar film buildup around the opening. Is this caused from blowby past
the valve guides, or neglect by the previous owner to change the oil?
5. I have access to a set of early DOVE heads off of a 429 with the
smaller combustion chambers. As best as I can fgure it, the compression
ratio would change from 8.0:1 to around 9.3:1 give or take a tenth. Is
this too much compression to use with today's low octane pump gas?
6. The 460 came with rusted out headers and I need to buy some new
headers. Any recommendations? Has anybody tried L&L headers, Hooker, or
Hedman?

thanks
todd




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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:11:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco

From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:37:05 -0500 (CDT)
Copies to: pboudreault sympatico.ca
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quarter panels for 79 Ford Bronco

> >I'm not having much luck locating Left and Right Rear Full Quarter Panels
> >for my 79 Bronco. I have only been able to find some small patch panels.
>
> Try LMC Truck www.lmctruck.com or 1 800 222 5664

They only go up to 77 broncos, darn it! #$%## .........BUT, they do
have 49 F-100 stuff, COOL!

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 10:44:54 -0500
From: "Nils Gore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads

Here's one I haven't seen discussion of in the past few months, and I
suspect it's a common problem.

I have a 73 F100. The dashboard has spent 25 years now baking in the
Mississippi sun (looks more like 50 years). It's cracked, has big portions
flaked off, looks terrible.

I've seen "dash pad covers" advertised in numerous catalogs. They supposedly
fit over the top of the old dash. They're significantly cheaper than a total
raplacement and no doubt would be easier to install.

My question: has anyone ever seen or tried one of these? If so, how did it
work? Does it look alright?

You get the picture: I'm wondering if this is too good to be true, or if,
like so many things, it's a cheap, shoddy imitation of the real deal, that's
going to look clunky when it's installed.

Appreciate anyone's opinions,


Nils Gore
73 F100
64 F100
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:53:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion

From: todd_gooding mk.com
Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 98 8:18:31 MDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion

> 3. Camshaft selection--Has anybody tried the new line
> of cams for 4x4's? I am thinking of installing a 218 In, 226 Ex. ( .050)
> .505, .515 lift.

This sound like a typical RV cam and will give you better low end but the
460 makes enough torque you can put a lot more cam in it and still get good
performance off the line with tall gears so this cam may be a tad mild
depending on what you want to do. Lobe separation is an important factor
here, should be around 110-112 degrees for bottom end.

> I have access to a set of early DOVE
> heads off of a 429 with the smaller combustion chambers. As best as I can
> fgure it, the compression ratio would change from 8.0:1 to around 9.3:1
> give or take a tenth. Is this too much compression to use with today's

DOVE's are very good choice for low end torque and 9.3 in a 460 is like 8 in
a 335 series engine, the wedge design allows more compression so it should
be fine. Carefully knock the thermactor bumps down in the exhaust ports
for better flow for top end but don't go any further than necessary to get a
smooth transition. Any material you take out will help so don't try to make it
perfect or you may ruin the heads. I understand there is plenty of material
there if you keep your head. When cleaning up ports, never take material off
the floor except in this case the rear of the floor. Smoky says "no body ever
made more power by lowering the ports..."

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:44:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads

Nils Gore [nils sarc.msstate.edu] wrote:

I've seen "dash pad covers" advertised in numerous catalogs. They supposedly
fit over the top of the old dash. They're significantly cheaper than a total
raplacement and no doubt would be easier to install.

My question: has anyone ever seen or tried one of these? If so, how did it
work? Does it look alright?

You get the picture: I'm wondering if this is too good to be true, or if,
like so many things, it's a cheap, shoddy imitation of the real deal, that's
going to look clunky when it's installed.

Mine came with a cover on it. It certainly looks better than the orginial pad, and I don't think it looks "cheap" but if I had the money to spend,
($300+ ?) I'd shell out for the actual pad.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:46:04 PDT
From: "jj sanchez"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 to 300 ??

QUESTION: When I pull 240 engine out of my 67 F-100 in favor of a 300
remanufactured longblock, will I be able to re-use the sheet metal
(valve cover, oil pan, timing cover, ect..) and clutch components?? Is
there anything that won't swap over from the 240 ? I would appreciate
any feedback or tips...


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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:03:55 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads

I use one on my 79 Bronco, but it is not show room quality. But I like it
better than the soft factory pads.

You can see a little of the old pad around the edges, because the slip-on
one does not cover completely.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Nils Gore
To: 61-79-list: FordTrucks.com

Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 11:46 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads


>Here's one I haven't seen discussion of in the past few months, and I
>suspect it's a common problem.
>
>I have a 73 F100. The dashboard has spent 25 years now baking in the
>Mississippi sun (looks more like 50 years). It's cracked, has big portions
>flaked off, looks terrible.
>
>I've seen "dash pad covers" advertised in numerous catalogs. They
supposedly
>fit over the top of the old dash. They're significantly cheaper than a
total
>raplacement and no doubt would be easier to install.
>
>My question: has anyone ever seen or tried one of these? If so, how did it
>work? Does it look alright?
>
>You get the picture: I'm wondering if this is too good to be true, or if,
>like so many things, it's a cheap, shoddy imitation of the real deal,
that's
>going to look clunky when it's installed.
>
>Appreciate anyone's opinions,
>
>
>Nils Gore
>73 F100
>64 F100
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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:32:00 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re: 61-79 - 460 conversion

>4. The engine has 80, 000 miles and the compression checks out at 122 to
>125 on all cylinders. It does not smoke on start up or otherwise and runs
>well. However, pulling the valve covers off shows an oily film buildup
>(not too bad though) on the valve covers. Also, the PCV valve exhibits a
>similar film buildup around the opening. Is this caused from blowby past
>the valve guides, or neglect by the previous owner to change the oil?

My truck was doin this a little, shortly after that the head gasket went
out, haven't been able to check it and see if its still doing it or not,
but usually its from water in the oil. Check to be sure that you don't
have any leaks in the coolant. (mine disappeared slowly, but didn't know
where it went, and it didn't show up during oil changes)

I'd suggest carefully watching the radiator and see if you're losing
coolant to an unknown source.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:30:11 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pads

In a message dated 10/1/98 9:53:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bkirking bcm.tmc.edu writes:

>

I don't know what area your in, but theres a guy here in Vegas recovering
dashes for 40 bucks and he does a great job. My dad had the dash in his 75
F-250 4x4 re done in black.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:43:37 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73-79 aftermarket beds?

I saw recently someone mentioned that entire beds for the 73-79 series were
available as aftermarket parts? Anyone know if this is true?

Is my memory accurate????

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:26:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

>

I don't know what area your in, but theres a guy here in Vegas recovering
dashes for 40 bucks and he does a great job. My dad had the dash in his 75
F-250 4x4 re done in black.

Actually, the LMC catalogue lists pads for 61 - 66 at $500. NOT fifty but five hundred. Ouch.

$75 sounds like a deal. It may just be cheaper to drive to Vegas, stay in a hotel and back to Houston!!
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:18:56 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - External Locking Hubs

Anyone have a set of external locking hubs they would be willing to part with?

Send private message if you want.

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:13:24 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: F100 body lift

A body lift has several advantages over a suspension lift. Not
the least of these is the fact that Twin I-beam (and TTB) suspensions do
not adjust easily to non-stock-height springs. Unless you do some other
suspension work your truck will look bowlegged and wear out tires fast.
Keeping your suspension geometry stock insures that there will be no
nasty surprises.
A body lift also gives you lift without raising your center of
gravity as much as a suspension lift. It doesn't give you more clearance
under the frame, but it does get your dentable body panels up high.
Besides, your frame isn't the low point on your truck in any case; the
pumpkin is, and the only way to increase THAT clearance (short of
installing HMMWV running gear) is larger tires. Either type of lift will
accommodate those equally well. Just my .02

lordjanusz juno.com

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:51:29 -0500
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau

Sportsman Pickup covers or Lund would be the best.

Kingster

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Sullivan
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 9:48 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau


>I have a 78 F250 SuperCab with an 8' box. I want to put a hard tonneau
cover on
>it. Anyone have any recommendations as to which brand has the best
>quality/appearance?
>Rick
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:20:23 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tonneau

Definitely go for Gem top, I have one made of steel painted black from the
factory in Oregon ... it is beautiful, people run me off the road to get me to
stop to look at it. And very secure. you can dance on it. If you would like a
picture, I have lots of them.

Mike in Seattle
They are pricey, but worth it to me. I have it on a 72 F-100
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:21:17 -0700
From: "Matt Tobin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram & Ballast resistor wire for '70 E-300???

This group is a Godsend for a guy trying to keep a '70 class C motorhome on
the road. E-300 chassis as I said. Now I have two manuals for the vehicle....


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