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61-79-list-digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 469



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox
FTE 61-79 - FE tuning
FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F250....convert to 4 bbl..?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100
FTE 61-79 - I-6 attack
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - I-6 attack
FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift
FTE 61-79 - Re: Steering Gearbox
FTE 61-79 - "Blitz" can information needed
FTE 61-79 - cab mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift
FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 conversion
FTE 61-79 - Model TT dump truck
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Your story in a Ford truck book
FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines
FTE 61-79 - 460 conversion

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:07:28 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox

>First question. Is there an overhaul kit for the gear box?

I recently went looking for parts for my PS box on a '69. At the local Ford
truck (truck only) dealer, I got the two seal kits they still showed as
available, and had in stock, for that gearbox. the total cost was about $33
and a whole lot of expletives for the removal of the gearbox.
This was the only kits they showed available for the box. Also, it
helped to talk them out of a copy of the exploded parts diagram for the box
(they still have the books). The first one they gave me was for a later box,
as they list the same kit for it. As it turns out, the kit contains all the
seals for EITHER box, not just one style. Upon a phone call, they sent me a
fax of the right diagram.
These kits do not contain any hard mechanical parts - like no parts for
the spool valve, the torque rod, the recirc or gears, etc. The shim for the
spool valve that some members had pointed me towards they said was not
available.
I know for my year there was a possibility of it being a Ford or a
Bendix box. I do not know, but I suspect the 2wd was Ford and the 4wd
Bendix. You should check, the Ford box has FoMoCo or the Ford oval logo cast
into the top plate of the housing. I checked at the local Autozone, and a
rebuilt box was around $180, but I do not remember for which and there was a
substantial difference. I may be (hope) I am wrong, as this was about three
months ago, but I think one was about 180 and the other about 240.

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:38:21 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE tuning

> The Chilton Repair and Tune-up guide says that your truck, 1974 360
> needs BRF-42B plugs, point dwell is 24-30, point gap is .017, ignition
> timing for manual xmssn is 6B(TC), automatic 3B(TC), intake valve opens at
> 13B(TC), and fuel pump pressure 4-6 PSI. Plug gap, and idle speed are to be
> obtained from underhood specifications sticker. There is also a note that
> if
> you have underhood sticker #659, then ignition timing for automatic is
> 6B(TC).

These specs are pretty much what I tune any 360-390 to. I play with the
timing a little. A 9.5 to 1 2V 390 I used to run could handle 9d btdc
with ported vacuam advance with just a little light load ping. The
engine I have in my truck now runs 13d BTDC and manifold vacuam
advance. It has an aftermarket cam in it though. The timing will vary
according to how much cylinder pressure your engine is actually
generating. The payoff for optimizing your timing is much improved
mileage and better response.
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:13:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Gearbox

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:14:54 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F250....convert to 4 bbl..?

At 06:55 PM 9/29/98 , you wrote:
>I am in the midst of redoing my top end...valve job..timing gears...clean
>and paint..
>
>My friend approached and thought I might look into changing the 2bbl to a
>4bbl system..
>
>Has anyone done this?.....how and what did you do?.... What about having
>to change heads to the 4bbl type engine as well?
>
>Any thoughts?..
>
Did I miss something ? Are all 3/4 Ton's FE's ? Seems like everyone who
responded assumed this, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway I did just do this to
an FE, for the same reason actually. "I've got it apart ... so now ..." I
managed to get an older 390 intake from a Galaxie, it seemed to match the
height and everything that my 2V had.

The problems I ran into : 1) carb to baseplate gasket, auto parts store
wanted to know if it was a "special" carb or anything ... I just took the
one they had in stock, it works fine.

2) Accelerator return spring. Don't remember what I ended up with, but I
think its the one that was on the 2V manifold.

3) Accelerator linkage. I used a holley carb, and it didn't hook up quite
where I wanted, I either had a tone of slop or a really short throw. He
machined a piece to fit in the huge hole on the carb, it put the mount in
exactly the right place. This can also be done by using a couple washers
and tightening them down until they meet in the middle.

4) Vacuum. Its very important, ended up using the stuff from the 2V as all
the holes were the same size.

5) Thermostat housing. Just pick one that works, think I've got the 2V
thermostat and housing on the 4V manifold. Seems to be okay though.

Hope this helps.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:31 -0500
From: "Dennis Witthuhn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100

actually it was meant to be helpful, next time i'll just say nothing
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100


>Thanks for your message at 10:21 PM 9/29/98 -0500, Dennis Witthuhn. Your
>message was:
>>generally 800 -850 rpm for an automatic trans and 600-650 for a man.
>
>What about for a woman? Is this sexist comment? : )
>
>
>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1970 Marquis 429(destined for the Mustang)
>1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
>1996 Windstar
>1981 Rabbit Convertible (How did that get in here?)
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:42:12 EDT
From: "Jamie Stone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I-6 attack

Hello all. Does anyone have a picture of a 70 ford transmission layout
they can email me? I need to reassemble my tranny, but I lost the
schematic I used to disassemble it. (Good ole Murphy strikes again.)
Also any suggestions for cam, 2bbl intake, and carb set up for a 300
I-6? (Yes I realize I could get more out of a V8, but I like the torque
and reliability of the I-6.) Any advice will be appreciated greatly.

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:05:50 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100

Thanks for your message at 10:22 AM 9/30/98 -0500, Dennis Witthuhn. Your
message was:
>actually it was meant to be helpful, next time i'll just say nothing
>
>>Thanks for your message at 10:21 PM 9/29/98 -0500, Dennis Witthuhn. Your
>>message was:
>>>generally 800 -850 rpm for an automatic trans and 600-650 for a man.
>>
>>What about for a woman? Is this sexist comment? : )


Hey, it was just a feeble attemp at humor. Just trying to fill the Deacon
Gap.
Dennis L. Pearson
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:15:59 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I-6 attack

I still have my Ford shop manuals here at work- What kind of tranny?

Tony
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At 11:42 AM 9/30/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Hello all. Does anyone have a picture of a 70 ford transmission layout
>they can email me?


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:20:39 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift

Could anyone give me some information on how to perform a 2" body lift
on my truck. I am not looking to spend alot of money. Friends have
told me to go with hockey pucks and longer u-bolts for the back and a
coil spring spacer for the front. Would this be ok. Any other
suggestions..

thanks
Kirk Baillie
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:44:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift

At 11:20 PM 9/30/98 , you wrote:
>Could anyone give me some information on how to perform a 2" body lift
>on my truck. I am not looking to spend alot of money. Friends have
>told me to go with hockey pucks and longer u-bolts for the back and a
>coil spring spacer for the front. Would this be ok. Any other
>suggestions..
>
Wouldn't coil spring spacers in the front be a suspension lift ?

Actually if you're looking for better clearance I'd recommend a suspension
lift instead of a body lift. I may be way off base here, but I've never
liked body lifts, they don't really help with chassis clearance, and can
create all sorts of nifty problems with things like the radiator (hose
routing without hitting the fan?).

This could all just be peronal preference and totally way off base, but if
you don't have any lift, you might want to look at suspension lifts first.
They are fairly cheap for the rear, not sure about the front though,
haven't had time to look at one, so if anyone knows of a good one, please
let me know (74 F100/150 4x4)!!!


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:46:21 -0500
From: "Brett"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift

I put a 2" body lift on my 76 F250. Very easy to do. Just buy a 2" kit for
about $65. It comes with all the pucks and bolts. Things you may have to
look at: filler hose for the gas tank, battery cables (mine were connected
to the frame near the starter), steering column may have to be lowered,
brake lines, and radiator fan shroud. My gas tank is inside the cab so I
didn't have to worry about that, I had to unhook the battery cable from the
frame, I just loosened the 2 bolts under the steering column and let it
slide down, brake lines were fine, and I lowered the radiator - fan shroud 2
". Hope this helps.

Brett
76 F250 460 c6 38's

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Baillie
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:32 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift


>Could anyone give me some information on how to perform a 2" body lift
>on my truck. I am not looking to spend alot of money. Friends have
>told me to go with hockey pucks and longer u-bolts for the back and a
>coil spring spacer for the front. Would this be ok. Any other
>suggestions..
>
>thanks
>Kirk Baillie
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:15:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steering Gearbox

Jim wrote:

[P/S Seal kit info snipped]

> I know for my year there was a possibility of it being a Ford or a
> Bendix box. I do not know, but I suspect the 2wd was Ford and the 4wd
> Bendix.

Nope, my '68 F-100 2WD had a Bendix Box. I believe it said 'Bendix'
or had the bendix logo on the top cover, next to the adjustment screw :-)

> You should check, the Ford box has FoMoCo or the Ford oval logo cast
> into the top plate of the housing. I checked at the local Autozone, and a

Pat Brown
Sebastopol,California

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:26:36 EDT
From: LeeCraner aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Blitz" can information needed

I want to change the straps on the Blitz (aka Jerry) gas cans mounted in the
bed of my 73 F250 from the original metal to the new webbing strap. Neither
mount carries the manufacturer's name. Anybody know how I can contact these
folks (or anybody want to trade my locking metal straps for the web straps?).

Thanks.
Lee
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:26:39 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab mounts

Hey Jamey,

Why not try threading the bolts out the top if you can? Sometimes If you have
a bunch of crud built up in there, it will "unthread" right out.

The rear ones (I'm pretty sure) come out the top, most bestest with an air
impact wrench....use plenty of penetrating oil a few days ahead of
time....even a little heat might help (from below). I think the "nut" on these
back mounts are the round pad seat themselves...

Believe it or not, JC Whitney has the new cab mounts, the urethane type. I
don't know if they have all the metal parts that go with them, though...

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:26:21 -0500
From: "Dennis Witthuhn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100

- -----Original Message-----lol ok i wasn't trying to offend anyone
From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tune-up for '74 F100


>Thanks for your message at 10:22 AM 9/30/98 -0500, Dennis Witthuhn. Your
>message was:
>>actually it was meant to be helpful, next time i'll just say nothing
> >
>>>Thanks for your message at 10:21 PM 9/29/98 -0500, Dennis Witthuhn. Your
>>>message was:
>>>>generally 800 -850 rpm for an automatic trans and 600-650 for a man.
>>>
>>>What about for a woman? Is this sexist comment? : )
>
>
>Hey, it was just a feeble attemp at humor. Just trying to fill the Deacon
>Gap.
>Dennis L. Pearson
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:21:54 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 f100 body lift

First off, what your talking about is a suspension lift, and DO NOT use Hockey
pucks for spacers, spend the 20 bucks and get the right parts. As far as a
body lift goes, I'm not sure if there is one for that body style ford. I
would just put some taller coils off of maybe a 250 or 350 2wd, as for the
rear, you could just get some blocks

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:48:26 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 conversion

I am still having flywheel problems.

First I got a big truck 390 flywheel.

NOW...

I think I got a 460 flywheel for externally balanced engines.. I think
- -there isn't a part number anywhere on the flywheel-just a 2 cast into it
- -there are a couple of holes approximately 1/2 inch in diameter that look
like they have lead in them - this is what makes me think it is an
externally balanced 460 flywheel

at least the 351M clutch bolts to it -- I wonder if I got a 351M flywheel

ever heard of the flywheel not having a part number cast in?

Help


Jim

- ----------
> From: am14 chrysler.com
> To: JAMES MERLO
> Subject: Re: 460 conversion
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:06 PM
>
> I'm replying directly to one of your post on the list.
>
> You ask about the 352/360/390 flywheels on small trucks and cars. Stay
> clear of the 352's and early 390's. They are balanced the same, but the
> starter ring is a different count. I think you want 180 teeth, but don't
> swear by this. Count the teeth on the 460 auto flywheel and use it as
> reference. It should be exactly the same diameter as the manual you need
> to use (I believe). FOMOCO changed the starter and the ring gear teeth
> sometime in the early/mid '70's or the very late '60's.
>
> If you are going to put a new starter ring on anyway, then disregard
this.
>
> The flywheel's I used came from a 1976 360 and a 1974 390. They were
> identical.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:57:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Model TT dump truck

If anyone is interested, there is a Model TT dump truck
for sale for $4100 obo on the web site. Its on the main
classifieds page, scroll to the bottom and you'll see
a picture of it. The owner is about to retire to Florida
and asked me to announce it to the group. Given the fact
that they need to get rid of it, the price is probably
pretty flexible.

Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:41:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Your story in a Ford truck book

Hi everyone, I receive the following email from someone. I thought
it would be a good idea to pass it on to the lists. Contact Judy
about this (address below), not me.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

>>From jcscott ican.net
>Reply-To:
>From: "judy scott"
>To:
>Subject: Tough Tales
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>
>Hi Webmaster,
>
>You and your members can see their name in print and
>get a Free copy of Tough Tales (working title). Here's
>how. I have a contract to publish a book comprised of
>a brief history of the F-series trucks, a glance at their
>ads, and STORIES BY OWNERS OF F-SERIES TRUCKS.
>The latter is where you and your members can
>contribute. All owners whose stories are published will
>see their name in print and receive a FREE copy of
>Tough Tales. THe kind of stories I need will tell about
>my love affair with my Ford truck, why I love my
>Ford, how I got my very first Ford truck, my grandma's
>ole Ford, I'll never forget the day/night....,etc.
>
>Tough Tales is the people side of the awesome F-series
>trucks. I'm ready to roll with it but need more stories.
>Would you consider publishing my request on your
>site?
>
>Look forward to your response.
>
>Judy Scott : )
>
>PS: I have subscribed to the 1997 and up digest and
>can't seem to unsubscribe. Can you help me?
>
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:55:57 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brake lines

Thanks to all who replied; privately and on the postings. The brakes
are definitely the next project... probably a power booster and dual
system for now. This was a popular response. I need to rid my truck of
the single 'fruit jar' master cylinder, as a friend so aptly named it.
At any rate, the flex lines have all been replaced for now and the
brakes are functioning as usual. The new 460 is awesome. Not a true
'restoration' choice, I realize, but it's still all Ford! Thanks again!
Norm
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:37:17 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 conversion

Jim,

I must have missed the beginning of this thread as I've been on the road,
but I have done several 460 conversions and had what sounds like similar
problems to yours. What year 460 are you using? What transmission are you
trying to mate to? 2wd or 4wd?
Until '79 the 460 was an internally balanced engine, the spacer on the
crank behind the harmonic balancer was just round and the flywheel was
neutral (none) balanced. After '79 the 460 was externally balanced, the
spacer has a counter weight on it and the flywheel was weighted. The problem
now gets tough. (I found this out over about six months on my first
conversion). Ford did not put a standard transmission behind the 460 until
1984. So, there is no such animal as a neutral 460 flywheel for a standard
transmission (there is one exception). The 390 flywheel fits the 460 perfect
and can be found neutrally balanced to fit early 460's. I had trouble
fitting a clutch to one flywheel until I found out that it was the heavy
duty model out of a wrecker but FoMoCo still stocks this 3-finger 11 1/2
inch clutch so it worked out.
Oh, the exception I mentioned above. The 429 and the 460 are Ford 385
series engines, same block and the crank is the same as far as mounting a
flywheel goes. FoMoCo did put standard transmissions behind 429's in the
early 70's, so, a flywheel from one of these models would qualify as a....


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