61-79-list-digest Tuesday, September 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 466



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re:flywheel
FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 --> F250 Conversion
FTE 61-79 - flywheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78, 300 six questions
FTE 61-79 - Fwd: '67 Ford Camper Special Pickup
Re: FTE 61-79 - Boss 429
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need 72 long bed tailgate
FTE 61-79 - 61 F100.. Couple of Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78, 300 six questions
FTE 61-79 - accel wires
FTE 61-79 - Bye byeee
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bye byeee
FTE 61-79 - Brake lines.
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site
FTE 61-79 - JC Whitney Stuff????
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need 72 long bed tailgate

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:44:21 EDT
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:flywheel

hi

i think the big flywheel won't fit your crank properly( something about the
flang) being different. if not you could have a machine shop drill the
holes for whatever clutch you want. they may be drilling holes for balancing
anyway???/
other than that any fe stick shift flywheel should work(except the big truck)
small pick-ups with 352 or 390 should work.

john
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:25:02 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 --> F250 Conversion

>
>After over 260,000 miles, my 68 F100 2WD is in dire need of some new
>suspension. I was thinking of beefing up the front end to a F250.
>Acording to a TRW parts catalog, the king (bolt) pin sets, ball joints,
>steering linkage, radius arm bushings, and axle pivot bushings are all
>the same. Does anyone know if I will have to change and radius arms and
>axles (I beams) or make any modifications to the front end of the truck.
>I will consentrate on the spindles, drums, and rear leafs latter.
>
Jason:
Interestingly, I just converted my '68 F250 to an F100. I swapped the
entire I-beam/spindle assembly, but they bolted right up. As far as I
could see the I-beams and radius arms were the same. Also I bolted the 9
inch from the F100 directly to the F250 springs. You will need a shorter
driveshaft (the rear half) as the Dana 60 rear has a longer pinion gear
than the 9 inch.
You need a Dana 60 and the proper driveshaft? I got 'em. I already
promised the front stuff to somebody else, tho.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:31:37 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flywheels

Hi James,

I'm pretty sure there are differences between the at least the 360 and 390
flywheels. I ran a 360 flywheel on my 390 for years, but when I went to get a
new one for the 390, it seemed to be heavier and have a different hole pattern
than the 360. So, in other words, get the 390 flywheel. Also, it sounds like
you've been messing with a flywheel from an "FT" engine. If I remember
correctly, I thought those had externally balanced cranks, meaning that the FT
flywheels might have a cast-in counterweight somewhere....I'm not positive
though...

Oh well, not much help I guess...

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:49:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78, 300 six questions

Okay, I'll lump a bunch of answers, updates, and new questions into this
single message to save bandwidth...

First of all, thank you to all for the generous number of responses and
suggestions.

I made the following checks:

My accelerator pump looks to be okay--with engine off, I can hear the
gas squirt when I work the throttle linkage.

Vacuum advance looks fine, too--timing changes with acceleration, and
I can see the little lever move. Single advance (hose from
carb spacer to distributor).

Timing: Here's the first new question. The timing scale has no marks
on it that I can identify as TDC. It's the kind that is maybe 1.25"
long with probably 10 or so tiny teeth. A friend just assumed that TDC
was right in the middle of the scale. If so, I've got the timing mark
running about 3 teeth to the right of center (advanced maybe 10 degrees).
Factory says to run 10 degrees retarded, which I didn't do on advice
from several local folks who claim I'll get better performance from
advanced timing. I may have this all bass ackwards, since the timing
mark moves way to the _left_ when I blip the throttle, and I thought
the vacuum unit was supposed to _advance_ the timing. So, I guess
my question has two parts...

Part 1: Does advancing the timing mean making the pulley mark move
to the right?

Part B: _Is_ it better to run with the timing advanced a bit?

BTW, when I say "left", I mean passenger side. Right=driver's side.

Other stuff I did:

* Richened up the choke a little. I think I'll back that off again,
since the choke kicked off too soon this morning. Gotta find a
happy medium, there--before, the fast idle lasted way too long...

* Covered about 2/3 of the air cleaner's opening with duct tape (I
couldn't find a stock airbox locally--one disadvantage of living
in BFE). I figured that'd approximate the narrow opening of the stock
airbox. Lo and behold, she runs _much_ better now. Still the tiniest
bit unwilling when cold, with a small flat spot under partial throttle,
but nothing like before. Granted, I changed several variables at once,
but my gut says this was the golden change. If yall will pardon the
digression, I'll explain my thinking.

On Harleys (which are single carb, pushrod v-twins, kind of like
chopping the front two cylinders off a 302), the factory ships them
with an airbox which has an opening to the outside maybe 2" x 3"
heavily baffled mufflers, and retarded timing. The rumor is they
do this to get their low-tech engines to pass E-check.

Now, if you change the airbox to one that's open on all sides and add
free-flowing mufflers, the bike runs dangerously lean. You can richen
the idle mix to avoid burning your valves, but the bike loses all it's
low end and much of it's mid and top end power. If you stick bigger
jets in the carb, you get your low end back and get an increase over
stock in the mid and top end.

So, I figure you can never have too much airflow, as long as the carb
can put out enough gas to use that airflow. I'm assuming that the
Carter YF-1 on my truck is _not_ jetted to take advantage of increased
flow, which explains why closing off part of the airbox got rid of those
ugly stumbles...

This is still a work in progress. If no one tells me to shut up,
I'll post more updates as I tweak and twiddle. =:-0 BTW, it's good
to have yall to bounce ideas off of--I'd be afraid of getting
totally lost, learning all of this on my own.

Thanks again for the help!

- --sean

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:09:33 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: '67 Ford Camper Special Pickup

Forwarded for Scott
Please direct replies to wm_69 yahoo.com.

On the aforementioned truck, is the raised lettering and circle around
the lettering painted the same color as the upper part of the truck or
the lower accent color? The lettering I refer to is on the tailgate,
and the colors of the truck are blue and lower part of truck cab and bed
white. This is for my neighbor. Thanks for any help you can provide...


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:25:20 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Boss 429

Accel makes a set listed in the most recent Jegs catalog p112 p/n 110-7052.

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> From: Chris Samuel
> To: Perf-List ; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Boss 429
> Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 8:47 PM
>
> Anyone know who makes spark plug wires for a Boss 429?
> This late on a Sat. Night my resources have struck out.
> Not looking for factory replacement stuff.
> This "Babe" will be making power!
> I think that I have a Pt. # on some Taylor Wires!
> Anyone else?
> Direct replies or back to the list ether way is ok.
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:36:05 EDT
From: bobherring juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need 72 long bed tailgate

>From: Bdallas60 aol.com
>I am restoring a 72 longbed f100 explorer. Most of the outside is done
but I
>can't find a tailgate. The one I have is rusted and banged up. Any ideas
where
>to find this?
Where are you located and do you want new or used?
I am about 100 miles south of Dallas and know where several used ones
are.

Bobby Herring
'64 F100 short-wide, was 292 Y-block/3speed,
motor in pieces, make me an offer
'72 F100 400/C6 in progress
'93 Ranger V6/Auto/Super cab

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:39:36 -0400
From: Tom Poole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61 F100.. Couple of Questions

I've got a '61 Unibody that's been converted to 4wd. The truck originally
came with a 6cyl but now has a 292 V8 with an aftermarket Holley 2bbl carb.
The choke cable that was in the truck isn't long enough to reach the hookup
on the passenger side of the carb, and i'm wondering if the V8's had a
longer cable than the 6cyl's, and if so, does anyone know where I can get
one.

Thanks,
Tom

tbpoole tbp.mv.com


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:27:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78, 300 six questions

From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78, 300 six questions
Date sent: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:49:25 -0400 (EDT)

> _left_ when I blip the throttle, and I thought the vacuum unit was
> supposed to _advance_ the timing. So, I guess my question has two
> parts...

The vac is spring loaded to full retard so it requires vac to pull it off the stop
to advance it. At idle, with manifold vacuum it will be fully advanced so
when you blip the throttle it will retard but with ported vac it will probably
advance first.

> Part 1: Does advancing the timing mean making the pulley mark move
> to the right?

If the engine turns clockwise as you view it from the front then the marks on
the pulley should move to the right as you advance it or if the marks are on
the stationary part attached to the block then it should move the pulley mark
to the left with respect to the stationary part or pointer.

If the marks are all on the pointer then TDC should be to the right edge or
near it and usually they will put long and short lines on the marker so the right
most long line should be TDC. On the pulley the left most long line would
be TDC but they are usually marked with a Zero or TDC is actually stamped
into the metal near a long marker line.

> Part B: _Is_ it better to run with the timing advanced a bit?

Some of the early emissions engines had zero or actually had a retard setting
but even these will benefit from more advance usually. Most engines will
work with up to 6 degrees of advance over stock with no problems.

> So, I figure you can never have too much airflow, as long as the carb can
> put out enough gas to use that airflow. I'm assuming that the Carter YF-1
> on my truck is _not_ jetted to take advantage of increased flow, which
> explains why closing off part of the airbox got rid of those ugly
> stumbles...

This is what I was saying, you give it all the advantage you can in the filter
then jet it to make it work right, not the other way around, never restrict the
inlet, fix the mixture :-)

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: FTE 61-79 - accel wires

I had Accel wires, but last time I checked

I had Accel wires, but last time I checked
my plugs the got ripped up at the crimp. No, I wasn't pulling on the wire.
Itwisted the boots first to break their grip on the plugs, then I grabbed
boot where the clip is. I thought maybe I had done it wrong on the first




yes- i had tyhe same experience with the accel wires- took them back to
the store and they gave me a new set that did the same thing the next time
i pulled them off. they are absolute garbage.

clare

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:08:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bye byeee

I have been informed that I will be losing my internet access at
the end of the month, and I just wanted to take let Ken and everyone
know how much I have enjoyed, and *appreciated* this list.

If I find an ISP that can talk to my '286 in VT100 mode, I'll be
back! Just can't imagine life without the FTE list, *especially* as
I begin to overhaul my first 9" diff.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:34:50 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bye byeee

Sorry to see you go. Good luck with the truck, as if I needed to say that.
Hope to see you back soon.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:46:04 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake lines.

My '65 just underwent major transplant surgery. There is now a
Ford-remanufactured '76 T-bird 460 under the hood. I should have it
back by the end of the week. My mechanic was doing the final test drive
on it today and lost the brakes. It turns out that the rear brake line
failed. I don't know exactly how old they are (pretty old) but I told
him to replace them all. He was saying it may not have been a
coincidence - there is much more torque now and if serious throttle is
applyed, the frame may be tweaking more and snapping the brake lines.
He was throttling hard just before that to get on the highway. Would a
set of traction bars solve this problem? He reccomended that I talk to
someone at a speed shop and consult with them. Being a single-reservoir
master cylinder, this problem concerns me. Anyone else had a brake line
problem when you swapped out an engine for more horses?
Thanks for any input... Norm
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:10:36 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New advertiser on web site

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
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We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via
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Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:01:29 -0400
From: "Bob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - JC Whitney Stuff????

Has any one in the group ever used replacement body/floor from JC Whitney??
Son is looking for floor pans for his V$%^*W, & we were curious if anyone
has any experience with them. Perhaps I'll have him get them & try them
out before I get panels for my '78.....

Thanks


Bob
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:04:26 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need 72 long bed tailgate

will a 69 tailgate work?
i still have that 69 f100 lwb, body, 360 is missing, at,ps,ac, bed is nice,
600.00
also parting out a 78 king cab swb 2wd, 351m at, ps, pdb,

351 w parts, new .030 pistons, chromoly rings, stud kits, all bearings, timing....

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