61-79-list-digest Saturday, September 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 463



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Pitons and Rings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Lubricants
FTE 61-79 - Choke/8 Lugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - rims/trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Assembly lube, Was Rings
Re: FTE 61-79 - side note to Assembly lube, Was Rings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Swap
FTE 61-79 - " Whiter whites, Brighter brights"
Re: FTE 61-79 - " Whiter whites, Brighter brights"

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pitons and Rings


> On running ring movement, which some mechanics don't
> believe happens, a used piston and new rings and wider skirt clearances
> (after honing) will be most likely of all scenarios to do this. Using
> the ring land cleaner tool I reccomended in my last post on the subject
> and solvent to clean the grooves will resurface them to a degree, but
> they will probably still be worn slick enough to let the rings turn a
> little. I'd be very wary of using a broken ring to clean the grooves,
> if you gouge up the surface, your rings won't fully seal. Also, when

Well, I *think* that piston ring rotation is primarily a result
of a tapered cylinder. Even with only a few thousandts of an inch
of taper, as the piston moves up and down, the ring needs to ex-
pand and contract its circumference each revolution, and this ex-
pansion and contraction can promote ring rotation.

Just my $.02!

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:41:34 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Swap

Ok, Regarding the 460 swap stuff- First of all, Thanks to everybody who
has answered my questions I had regarding the swap- secondly- Does anybody
see the need or feel like writing an FAQ/Tech Article for the FTE group on
this? It seems the question keep coming up! 8-)

Tony

At 04:18 PM 9/25/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Boon40 aol.com
>Date sent: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:50:13 EDT
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Swap
>
>> I have a 78 4x4 with a 400. If i swap a 460 , will the bell housing match
>> up? I have a c-6 transmission.
>
>Yes but the flex plates are not the same nor are the mounts..........it's
a long
>story but relatively easy swap :-)
>
>
>A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
>Dad keeps the best part :-)
>
>-- Gary --
>
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Lubricants

On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, DAN & MARSHA HERRMANN wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> Having been employed in the Lubricants business now for 11 years I have
> learned a few things. In response to a couple of recent questions:
>

>
> On the Gear Lube question, if your looking for Limited Slip Lube, then look
> for the multi-grade gear lube like 75w-90, 75w-140, 80-85w-90 or 85w-140
> "THAT MEETS A GL-5 SPEC". This already has the additive in it. The old
> Limited Slip additive you buy in the parts store is for the older
> straight-weight gear lubes like EP-90 or EP-140 that only meets a GL-3
> spec. Stay away from a GL-1 spec, this is straight mineral oil.
>
> I hope this helps some of you.
>
Dan, it sure does. Now I have a specific question for you:
My shop manual for my F-150 indicates that I should use a
hypoid gear lube in Ford Traction-Lok differential, and it
says specifically to use Ford part# D8DZ-19580-A with a Ford
spec of ESW-M2C119-A. What is the generic equivalent that
I would look for in the parts store?

And for my 4-spd overdrive manual transmission the shop manual
specifies ford part# D8DZ-19C597-A with Ford spec ESP-M2C83-C.
What do I look for in the parts store? And how to these two
lubricants differ?

TIA for any light you can shed on this.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)

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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:09:25 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Choke/8 Lugs

"manaual choke is not the answer"If you are tired of messing
around with automatic chokes that don't funtion they are.
The less " automatic" parts you have the less trouble you have.
Some 8 lug wheel have a smaller hub hole than others. Just something
else to check.
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:04:55 -0700
From: Steve & Rockette Leitch
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rims/trucks

At 03:01 AM 25/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>The 8 bolt pattern is the same for GM and Ford. If you are buying new wheels
>there are many options available at your favorite tire store. I went from
the
>16.5 to 15 where the tire options are many also.

By very carefull when buying 8 lug wheels, as Ford's will fit
GM's, but GM's WON'T fit Ford's......

Steve & the Rockette



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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:06:47 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Assembly lube, Was Rings

Pat Brown wrote:
>
> Bill wrote:
> > Just thought I'd throw my $.02 in and confuse the issue more. I too was
> > taught to always install pistons with a little 30W or something but I
>
> I use a bucket of oil. Dip that piston in it, pour oil in the hole, squirt
> more oil on before the final tightening of the ring compressor. I figure
> you can never use too much oil when assembling an engine.
>
> > recently talked to a neighbor of mine who makes a living working on gas &
> > diesel motors and he swears by dry installing the pistons. He also builds
> > sprint car motors on the side and says that he's never had a problem with
> > engines not breaking in since he started using this method 20 years ago.
>
> Wow. Never heard that one before. I can see, in a twisted way, that
> installing a piston dry would set the rings quick :-). My concern here
> would be longevity. A dry ring on a dry cylinder is just going to create
> all kinds of shavings and particles, especially a cast ring. It would be
> interesting to hear what kind of rings your nieghbor uses.
>
> Old trick to re-seat worn-out rings (as told to me by my boss, in a garage,
> ~25 years ago): Remove air cleaner, start engine, pour Bon-Ami (scouring
> cleanser) in the carb, while keeping engine running. Abrasive in cleanser
> will allow rings to re-seat. Supposedly. I've never tried it, probably never
> will :-)

Here's my $.02: I saw the above mentioned procedure with the Bon-Ami
powder described in a Caterpillar service manual circa 1950. It was in
reference to engines whose rings had not properly seated after an
overhaul. It suggested trying the powder twice (it gave a Caterpillar
part # for the powder) before deciding that disassembly was required to
perform corrective action.
>
> John wrote:
> > > I would never ever install a moving part dry. STP oil treatment will work
> > > very well as a prelube for your pistons. I use it on cams and rod and
> > > main
> > > bearings, too. It will stay up there while you are working on other
> > > components. It will mix well with the oil when it starts circulating. It
> > > will burn off in the combustion chamber.
>
> I've heard lots of people recommend this, I've never tried it. I've always
> felt STP was just too sticky to use on bearings. Same with white (lithium)
> grease. It seems white grease dries out and turns into paste, although it
> can take a long time for this to happen.
>
> As I will be assembling my daughter's engine in the next few weeks, I'd
> like to hear everyones opinion on assembly lubes.
>
> Pat Brown
> Sebastopol, California
>
> '96 Bronco EB / 351
> '94 T-bird / Wee-6
> '87 Baby Bronco II / 2.9 l
> '70 F-250 Crew Cab / 360 FE
> '83 280 ZX, Block good, cracked cylinder head :-(
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:18:59 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - side note to Assembly lube, Was Rings

In a message dated 9/25/98 7:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
blaine.stro worldnet.att.net writes:

>

I worked for Cashman Caterpillar for a year in Reno, and Cat has a part # for
everything, From Gojo hand cleaner to a Cassette deck "built to handle the
severe conditions that a normal deck could not." I thought it was a bit over
kill. Cat oil, Cat threadlock (which I helped myself to a lot of, amongst
other things) Cat Anti-seize, you name it, cat slapped their label to it.

Darrell Duggan AKA JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:19:23 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Swap

Yes, your C-6 will bolt up perfectly. A few years ago I did almost the same
thing on a 79 F-250 4x4. I replaced the 460 with a 400 and used the same C-6.
No problem.
Burt Hill
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:21:49 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - " Whiter whites, Brighter brights"

Whoooo-eeee! Steve was right! I put some relays in the headlight wiring on
my '68 F-100 today. I printed out the instructions off the website, only
took me about 2 hours( most of that spent trying to remembre where I laid
down this tool or that ). Lack of beer probably slowed me up too.

Hey, has anybody on the list tried water injection? If so, how did it work
out? See any fuel mileage gains or operating temp drops?

I know an old man in Iowa Park TX who likes to fiddle with things ( his year
round heating and cooling bills are about $5 a month ). He built a water
injection system for his old Plym**th wagon w/ 318. Had half a dozen temp,
vacuum, and who knows what other kinds of gauges under the dash. And all the
pipes under the hood looked like it came out of some plumbers nightmare. He
got a documented 40 mpg!!!
Consistently.

Interesting

Kerry


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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:56:33 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - " Whiter whites, Brighter brights"

Kerry Walker wrote:

> Whoooo-eeee! Steve was right!

He usually is.

>
> I know an old man in Iowa Park TX who likes to fiddle with things ( his year
> round heating and cooling bills are about $5 a month ). He built a water
> injection system for his old Plym**th wagon w/ 318. Had half a dozen temp,
> vacuum, and who knows what other kinds of gauges under the dash. And all the
> pipes under the hood looked like it came out of some plumbers nightmare. He
> got a documented 40 mpg!!!
> Consistently.
>
> Interesting
>
> Kerry

Do I smell a HIMAC thread comming up :)
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.....


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