61-79-list-digest Monday, September 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 454



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 69 Armrests
FTE 61-79 - Re: Crate Motors
FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke
Re: FTE 61-79 - 69 Armrests
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear seal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim
FTE 61-79 - 1966 F350, 352 Rear Main Oil Seal Leaking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear seal
FTE 61-79 - Henry Ford Joke/simmer down
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - lift for sale
FTE 61-79 - 67-72 Fender Liners
FTE 61-79 - Questions for 67'-72' owners!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Steering (LONG)
FTE 61-79 - 1971 F-350 4 door cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Questions for 67'-72' owners!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79- 360

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:00:49 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 69 Armrests

Who knows where to get some armrests (red) for a 69? Seems I've only seen them
in black from some of the aftermarket guys.

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:07:38 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Crate Motors

Brian asked:

>Does anyone know if Ford is selling 390 crate motors? If so, what is
>the
>msrp?

There is very little FE stuff in my SVO catalog, and most of it is
dress-up items like valve covers. No crate motors, unless you want a
(new, not rebuilt) 302, 351W, or 460. If you've got the cash, though, I
believe Shelby is casting new aluminum Super Cobra Jets... (drool).

BTW, children should not learn dirty jokes on the internet. They should
learn them on the playground like we did ;-)

lordjanusz juno.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:14:16 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke

Racism, Sexism, Homophobia, these are all terms we use to categorize one
of the basic human vices; Intolerance.

Intolerance is as old as the meeting of the Neanderthal and the
Cro-Magnon, or probably even man and woman. It's comes as natural to
mankind as any other basic set of beliefs we hold, regardless of racial,
sexual or socio-economic status. It is based in a misunderstanding of
the culture of people different from ourselves, and assigning it a
negative connotaion.

I can't change too many of my prejudices and still be true to myself,
but I can be sensitive to how my prejudices effect other people, and how
the next generation sees my example. I want to let them form their own
prejudices without my influence, and hopefully some of them will fade
away over time.

That said, my wife laughed as hard as I did at the joke. And I laugh
just as hard at cheap Scotsman jokes. A little humor on the oppressed
side of the situation can do a lot to diffuse the negativity imposed by
the mind-picture created by the anecdote.

I am neither condemning or condoning the concept, what I believe or
expect wont change human nature. My observation is that of course the
joke was funny, it was clever. But it was just like any other joke,
it's being at some one else's expense. I think it should be kept in mind
that we are a broad-based group, and we don't know each other very
well. It would be best to not say anything here that you wouldn't say
in a similar face to face social situation.

Now, how about we be sensitive to the guy who posted the joke and not
chasten him any more. He likely is feeling kind of bad about it about
right now.


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:26:02 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 69 Armrests

Have you thought of painting them with a leather lacquer, I did my visors that
way, worked great. I know an armrest takes a lot of beating but just paint it
again when it wears off, better than cleaning it.

Mike in Seattle

I still need to paint mine though, maybe today?
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:28:30 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke

How about we drop it right here and now!

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:31:49 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear seal

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:28 -0400, am14 chrysler.com wrote:

>If you have a rope seal the going gets tough here, If you have neoprene
>seal its a breeze. (I much prefer the neoprene seal)
Azie,
Can I replace an existing rope seal with a neoprene seal?=20
Are the slots the same?

>A golden opportunity to check/replace main bearings here if they are =
worn.
>(They can be rotated out/in the same way as the seal, except they won't =
be
>stuck) Do them one at a time so as not to get too much downward =
pressure
>on the front seal.

Do you check all the mains if the rear one looks ok?

I've never done either of these things; oil, spark plug, and u-joint
changes have pretty much been the most complicated projects so far. How =
do
you check the bearing fit, or do you just wing it and pray? I can't =
imagine
plastigage would work properly with the weight of the crank bearing down =
on
it.

TIA
Rob
"who never thought he wanted a 3/4 Ton until after he bought one"

'71 F100 360 T18 2x4 (bad rear seal)
'78 F250 400 C6 4x4
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:48:18 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim

At 08:21 PM 9/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Robert; What year(s)?
>
>well I don't know the exact years they used these options but I know that
>Explorer started in 72' and Ranger in 70' or so so from 70' to 77'.
>
>Thanks.
>

The Ranger was introduced in 1967. In Ford's own words: "In 1967, Ford
introduces the ultimate in a high-style light truck. The Ranger package,
identified by a Ranger script emblem on the cargo box...."


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:33:50 -0400
From: Bill Templeton
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F350, 352 Rear Main Oil Seal Leaking

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:12:28 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear seal

Bill Templeton writes: My 1966 F350, 352 is leaking at the rear main oil
seal. Can the seal be replaced without removing the transmission, clutch,
and flywheel? The are two types of seals listed, molded and another type.
Which type of seal is recommended?

Yes it can be done.

Loosen motor mounts and jack up engine and insert small 2X4 wood blocks
between the engine and mount stands.

Drain the oil, remove oil pan bolts and remove oil pan. (you may have to
remove the oip pump pickup tube and you may have to rotate the crankshaft a
few degrees to get the counterthrows up out of the way).

Loosen all the main bearing caps slightly (Half round to one round per bolt
should be plenty) and remove the rear main cap completely.

If you have a rope seal the going gets tough here, If you have neoprene
seal its a breeze. (I much prefer the neoprene seal)

Rope seal removal: You need two people for this. Loosen one end of the
seal as much as you can and try to get a pair of good needlenose pliers
hold on it.(don't fray it any more than you have to) Get some blunt
instrument (aluminum rod or the like) that will go in the same slot that
the seal is in and tap the opposite end of the seal from the one you have
the pliers on with a hammer as your friend rotates the crankshaft in that
direction while pulling on the other end with the needlenose pliers. Once
it breaks loose you can probably just pull with the pliers and rotate the
crank to finish removing. Getting it started is the tough part. DO NOT
NICK/SCAR THE SEAL SURFACE OF THE CRANK. Be very careful.

Reverse procedure for install.

A golden opportunity to check/replace main bearings here if they are worn.
(They can be rotated out/in the same way as the seal, except they won't be
stuck) Do them one at a time so as not to get too much downward pressure
on the front seal.

Have I left out anything Guys??

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

Thanks to Azie and all that responded. Azie, why the blocks, can't I just
loosen the motor mounts to relieve the pressure? Also, what are the chances
of having a molded seal rather that a rope seal? Also, if it has a rope
seal can it it be replaced with a molded? -- (I had replaced a rope seal in
a 66 GMC and was never able to get a clean cut on the ends of the seal as
the seal would fray when a razor blade was run across the end of seal.) --
I am going to hold this job off until winder.

Bill
Bill Templeton
temple carol.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim

>
> On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, Robert Houlne wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm reading my trusty Ford Pickup Color histroy and I came across a
> > paragraph on trim options(First paragraph page 99) talking about Ranger XLT
> > and Explorer packages.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone can tell me what each package offered? or just
> > one..
> >
> > Thanks a bunch
> >
> > Robert
> >
> Robert; What year(s)?
>
Well, I can tell you (from the "1979 FORD PICKUPS" sales literature)
that the base model was called the Custom. Trim options included the
Ranger, Ranger XLT, and the Ranger Lariet. These trim options
effected the mouldings around the windows/windshield, bodyside mould-
ings, tailgate, hub cap/wheel covers, upholstery, carpeting, headliner
material, door trim panels, etc.

If there is something specific you are trying to feret out on the '79
options, let me know and I will see if I can help you out.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:53:22 -0700
From: "Robert Houlne"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim

> Well, I can tell you (from the "1979 FORD PICKUPS" sales literature)
>that the base model was called the Custom. Trim options included the
>Ranger, Ranger XLT, and the Ranger Lariet. These trim options
>effected the mouldings around the windows/windshield, bodyside mould-
>ings, tailgate, hub cap/wheel covers, upholstery, carpeting, headliner
>material, door trim panels, etc.

>If there is something specific you are trying to feret out on the '79
>options, let me know and I will see if I can help you out.

>Jim in Central NY
>'79 F-150 (302!)
>'92 Topaz (3.0l)

What Trim level do you have?

I was just wondering what was on the Ranger XLT, I guess the Explorer
option didn't last too long

Thanks
Robert
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:49:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Sept 20th Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:

1. Several links have been added.
2. Correction made to formula in carb tech article.
3. Following added to pictorial:
1978 F100 Ranger
1995 F350
1989 F150
1988 Bronco II
1971 F250


Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:02:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Henry Ford Joke

even I never said whether or not i thought it was funny- just not
appropriate- no hard feelings, let's just stick to trucks.



Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear seal

while perusing the tool isle at the parts store, i saw a rear seal tool
consisting of a long thin metal rod with a wood scerw thread on the end
(to grab or push the seal out with) and some sort of clasping cable thing
to pull the new one aound with.

any one ever used on of these?



Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:21:44 EDT
From: Hoover663 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Henry Ford Joke/simmer down

I liked the joke and I didn't find anything offensive in it I liked it,my mom
liked,and my sister liked it so don't get your panties in a bunch ,if the kids
your worried about could understand the joke then they have the matureity to
hear it and probaly learn more and worst stuff in school then they heard here.
So just simmer down its a joke thats all it was!!!!

P.S. keep the good jokes coming
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:19:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

Robert Houlne recently wrote:

>I'm thinking of buying around a 70' F250 Camper Special. Most of these in
>good condition are Camper Specials and were only used for camping once in a
>while. Hence most of them have the 360 for towing, I was wondering how many
>of you have 70's F250's with the 360 and what kind of gas mileage you get.?

Ours is a '70 C/Special, but came with a 390. 9 to 11 MPG was my average in
its stock configuration.
- -Marv-

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:17:44 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lift for sale

For anyone who may be interested there is an in-ground lift for sale at
ebay.....cheap! Lift is located in IL.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30259829

The link won't work unless you type the last part.

later,
dale c

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:37:03 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67-72 Fender Liners

Just a little experience here on fender liners for 67-72 models.

Front: I found a set out of a 77 and managed to get them to fit with just a
little trimming and a little persuasion with the propane torch. I used sheet
metal screws into the fender edge.

Rear: This set came from JCW, and they were what you would expect from JCW.
These took quite a bit of work with the snips and a little torch work to get
them to fit right. Also, immediatly chuck the mounting kit that comes with
them and use sheet metal screws. I don't think the later model year rear
fender liners were even close to the 67-72's.

Anyway, I would highly recommend this addition for anyone with these year
rigs. You will save your fenders from that dreaded "inside out" rust.

Any questions, please send geek mail.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:35:44 -0700
From: "Robert Houlne"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Questions for 67'-72' owners!!

To those of you who have 67-72 trucks please tell me what trim level you
have the options that came with the trim level and the engine.

Thanks

Robert



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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:12:11 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Steering (LONG)

J.S.H. wrote:

> I would be interested in more info on this, too. Did you use Ford pump
> ? what lines?
> frame mods?what steering shaft?Etc. TIA

> More info:
> The power steering pump is a Ford that came with my '73 460. The lines
> fit right in (off the D*dge gear), didn't even have to cut or lengthen
> them, same fittings and sizes. To mount the gear I had to drill two 1/2"
> holes in the frame (the Dodge used 3 bolts, but the bottom bolt hole sits
> below the side frame on the Ford. This could be reworked, but 2 bolts seem
> to be doing fine for me). The best spot seems to be as far ahead as
> possible without hitting the fender. You have to check clearance at full
> right tuck between gear and tire. Mine rubs just barely, with stock rims
> and tires. The steering shaft was a combination. I liked the u-juint on
> the upper end on the Ford, but the dodge had a better boot on the gear
> end. Since it had to be lengthened about 5", I used the ends I liked and
> then used a pipe to slip over the shafts (both the dodge and Ford steering
> shafts are same dia.) and then welded it to the right length. The only
> mod was to trim the bottom of the inner fender (about 1in.x 2in.) to give
> room for the hoses. The steering staft even fit without trimming, it gets
> real close to the shock mount though. Oh yea,- I also switched the
> steering arm on the axle to the dodge arm. It's shorter, so it works
> better with the steering gear's rather short arm (shortens it's radai so
> the wheels turn more with less steering gear input) This could only be
> switched on newer Ford axles (the ones with the curved arms). Although, it
> could still well work with the older ones, it would have to be checked to
> make sure you could still get full turns. I didn't havev to worry about
> it, so I never checked. Mine came out perfect, other than the slight rub.
> I should also add that it is a quicker ratio steering gear. If you have
> questions on a certain part let me know and I can aswer it in a shorter
> version.

Ross Henjum

'75 F250 4x4 460 NP435 NP205

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:03:01 EDT
From: RodCarlton aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1971 F-350 4 door cab

Can anyone help me locate a 4 door cab for my 71 ford crew cab special.I know
they made this body style from 67-72 but I dont know how many of those years
they built 4 doors mine has very bad rust.Thanks Rod Carlton Casselberry
Florida.
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:57:04 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Questions for 67'-72' owners!!

Robert,

I have a 71 F250 CS Ranger XLT with 360 2V and C6. It is white with
black nylon carpeting, has white/gold/tan upholstery, headliner, woodgrain
applique on dash, door panels, tailgate insert, and side trim.
It has AM-FM radio, factory air under the dash, full gauges
(temp/oil/amp/fuel), two gas tanks (19.5 and 24.5 gal), 16.5 inch wheels,
large towing type mirrors, sliding rear window, chrome trim around windows,
wheel wells, and tail lights and the wide aluminum Ranger side trim with
woodgrain applique. It also has a factory installed wiring connection for
furnishing electricity to a slide-in camper. It may also have had heavy
duty shocks from factory (I replaced with heavy duty Gabriels) and a larger
than usual radiator. The brakes are dual cyl discs in front and drums in
back.

Everything on the truck trim-wise is original; I can send you a couple
of pictures if you are interested.

Regards,
O.T. Johnson
Prattville, AL


- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Houlne
To: Ford Trucks
Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Questions for 67'-72' owners!!


>To those of you who have 67-72 trucks please tell me what trim level you
>have the options that came with the trim level and the engine.
>
>Thanks
>
>Robert
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:20:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Trim

On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, Robert Houlne wrote:

> >If there is something specific you are trying to feret out on
the '79 > >options, let me know and I will see if I can help you out.
>
> >Jim in Central NY
> >'79 F-150 (302!)
> >'92 Topaz (3.0l)
>
> What Trim level do you have?

Ranger Lariet
>
> I was just wondering what was on the Ranger XLT,

It will depend on what style cab and what style box was on your
truck, but generally speaking the Ranger XLT had the black vinyl
inserts on the bodyside moulding, styleside tailgates got the
aluminum applique with black F-O-R-D letters, color-keyed 14 oz.
cut pile carpeting, interior door trim panels had bright moldings
and simulated woodgrain applique, including extra sound absorbing
material, bright moulding and simulated woodgrain on the dash,
bright seat cover pivot, color-keyed cloth seats, simulated wood-
grain on the horn pad, color-keyed sun visors, cowl side carpeting,
floor pan deadener, and jute pad under the carpeting for extra
sound deadening.

I guess the Explorer
> option didn't last too long
>
I think the Explorer package, as well as the "Free Wheeling 'A'
Package" and "Free Wheeling 'B' Package" were available for a
few years. I think that these were packages that the Marketing
Departments would put together from time to time to "stimulate"
sales.

What year/model/trim level do you have?

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:07:05 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79- 360....


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