61-79-list-digest Friday, September 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 451



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - rear end seals
FTE 61-79 - coils
FTE 61-79 - rear main seal
FTE 61-79 - Blow by -> Valve Stem Seals -> Bad Compression
FTE 61-79 - Henry's home page
FTE 61-79 - Leaky seals in rear
FTE 61-79 - Transmission Fluid 79 C-6?
FTE 61-79 - Np435 stuck in gear
Re: FTE 61-79 - Np435 stuck in gear
FTE 61-79 - Paint
FTE 61-79 - CA Get Together.
FTE 61-79 - Henry Ford Joke / Not for Children
FTE 61-79 - rear end seals
FTE 61-79 - Leaky seals in rear
FTE 61-79 - 360's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pop Quiz, solution

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:07:20 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end seals

The axle vent was my first thought, too. Another thought is incorrect, as
in too low viscosity, gear oil. Naw, probably the vent.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, only one dent left from the crash
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:59:09 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - coils

I've never had it happen to me, but I understand that if a coil fails due
to shorted windings, you can suspend it in some manner so that the case is
not grounded and it will work. I watched my uncle do this several times
when diagnosing for unknown ignition problems. It's also handy to know if
your truck suddenly dies by the road and you think this might be the
problem.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, only one dent left from the crash
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:05:06 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear main seal

I think it would probably be a good idea to disconnect the battery and
remove the spark plugs, too. No spark plugs = no compression to fight when
you are rolling the crank. No battery means it won't accidentally start up
on you. The easiest way to turn it over after you have done this is a nice
big socket and long handled ratchet that fit the harmonic balancer bolt.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, only one dent left from the crash
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:30:57 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blow by -> Valve Stem Seals -> Bad Compression

For those following posts reguarding my sick 352...

Summary material:
Compression test revealed a bad cylinder on the passanger side (50 psi vs 150 psi on others).
Adding a cap of 10W - 30 oil to the chamber, as per orange shop manual, did not increase compression
much (to 60 psi - did it 2X to be sure) making me think the ring was ok.

New material:
At Steve's advice, I performed "leak down test". BTW, As I don't have compressed air, I used a bicycle
pump, some plastic tubing, and a few hose clamps (Does this qualify for a "make your own tool entry?").
Result was obvious air escaping through the oil fill hole in the driver side. Even my wife without any
prompting on my part identified the oil fill hole. I checked the exhaust pipe and carb, but both were
negative, although I probably wouldn't have noticed the carb as loud as the oil fill hole noise was.

It seems pretty convincing that the ring is bad on the one cylinder. I am now trying to decide if I should do
this myself or take it somewhere.

Any comments on what I should expect to pay? Will a shop do just the one ring?

If I do it myself (my preference)....
Do I have to readjust the valves or do anything special after replacing the ring besides just putting it back
together? I am wondering if I can simplify the process by putting the bad cylinder at BDC, then leaving it
there while I take everything off, then put it all back on without worrying about having to crank it to align
things when putting the distributor, or valve shaft(maybe cylinder head) back on.

Reading about it seems straight forward enough, but of course, that is just reading and actually doing it can
be much different, so any advice would be appreciated. Unfortunately we just moved so I don't have any
good car buddies (in town) to help out if I get in a real bind.

If I get it apart is there anything else I should do while it's open?

Thanks to everyone for their help so far. This list is by far the best list I've ever been on. I have been on lists
that get real old quick because you see the same old questions being posted and the same old answers, or
too much irrelevant material. I am also suprised at how much more friendly this list is. I cannot remember
seeing any really bad flames and very rarely do I notice more than good natured kidding.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:21:54 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Henry's home page

Hey gang,

If you follow this link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm

you should get Henry's home page. The first link (front view) works, at
least for me it did. The other links have not been tested or the right
files are not there yet.

Enjoy.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, only one dent left from the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:07:32 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Leaky seals in rear

Cannondale writes: >>They only thing that I can figure is that MAYBE the
axle vent hole is clogged??? I have heard that can make the seals not
hold..

I bet you hit it. The vent probably had a dirtdabber (?) nest in it. The
rear must be vented, and since you have it leaking in at least 2 places
that would be my 1st guess. Next guess would be wrong seals, but I have no
idea if all D60's have the same seals or not, but again I'd bet they do
not. (Inner of seal is slightly too large, maybe)

Azie
ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:09:55 -0700
From: mhannon
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Fluid 79 C-6?

What is the best transmission fluid for a 79 f-150 with a C-6. I can't find
dexron II anymore, It is all dexron III. Help!!

Michael Hannon
mhannon mci2000.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:14:16 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Np435 stuck in gear

Ox writes:>> Well, my NP435 blew up (OK, thats kinda harsh), seemingly
from having the truck towed for 4 miles (distrb shaft snapped). Seems
wierd, but now the truck is stuck in 3rd gear

How did it get in 3rd gear while it was being towed???

I can't help you with the Pin problem on the T18/19 (whichever). I might
look around my shop for a nail of the correct diameter and try that. A
good pair of side cutters will correct the length!!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:00:13 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Np435 stuck in gear

am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> Ox writes:>> Well, my NP435 blew up (OK, thats kinda harsh), seemingly
> from having the truck towed for 4 miles (distrb shaft snapped). Seems
> wierd, but now the truck is stuck in 3rd gear
>
> How did it get in 3rd gear while it was being towed???

I don't know and I can't remember if it was in any gear when I first
got in it (I don't think so). I was not paying attention as I was
worried about motor starting (from new distributor). I checked truck for
nuetral before I got out and the tow truck guy went in there after me to
put on 4 ways flashers. I don't think he put it in gear, so I'm baffled
as to how it got stuck in 3rd (or maybe fourth). At this point, I think
it may be fourth and that the input shaft is just bound up against the
main shaft. This would make it seem like it is stuck in fourth. I pulled
case cover and can shift all the gears back and fourth. The shifter mech
is working OK also. I didn't see any metal when I dropped trans fluid. I
am at a loss ;-(.


> I can't help you with the Pin problem on the T18/19 (whichever).

Thanks!!, my local ford dealer actually had one, Yippie!!!. I ordered
another pack of 4, just for kicks ;-).

> good pair of side cutters will correct the length!!!!!!!

I thought about that, but wondered how long it would hold up ;-)

OX
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:48:03 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint

You wrote,
I've used Dupont Centari acrylic enamel with good results
for quite a
while. Make sure you use the hardener, though.
I have also had good luck with Centari and other DuPont paint
products.

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:46 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CA Get Together.

Greetings List Members,

This is a long overdue reminder of the Planned Get Together at Disney Land
in CA. The Get together was planned for October 3rd and 4th. A place and
time to meet has not been picked yet.

I was planning on attending this get together, until my place of employment
changed my plans with out asking me. Another words, I now have to work
that weekend and won't be able to make it.

For those of you planning to go, you might want to talk among yourselves
and try and pick a location and time to meet.

I apologize for not sending this reminder sooner.

Thanks
Keith Srb
herbie ford-trucks.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:33:56 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Henry Ford Joke / Not for Children

Henry Ford dies and goes to heaven. At the gates, an angel tells
Ford, Well, you've been such a good guy and your invention-the assembly
line for the automobile-changed the world. As a reward, you can hang
out
with anyone you want to in Heaven."

Ford thinks about it and says, "I wanna hang out with God, Himself."
The be-feathered fellow at the Gates takes Ford to the Throne Room
and introduces him to God. Ford then asks God, "Hey, aren't you the
inventor of Woman?"

God says, "Ah, yes." "Well," says Ford, "you have some major design
flaws in your invention:

1. there's too much front end protrusion
2. it chatters at high speeds
3. the rear end wobbles too much, and
4. The intake is placed too close to the exhaust."

"Hmmm..." replies God, "hold on." God goes to the Celestial
Supercomputer,types in a few keystrokes, and waits for the result.
The computer prints out a slip of paper and God reads it.
"It may be that my invention is flawed," God replies to Henry Ford,
"but according to my Computer, more men are riding my invention than
yours."
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:30:28 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end seals

probally right considering i changed it not 500 miles ago


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:31:56 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Leaky seals in rear

i got the seals by the year specfically, so i bet they are good, i will
see what happens this weekend....



cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:53:20 -0700
From: "Robert Houlne"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360's

I'm thinking of buying around a 70' F250 Camper Special. Most of these in
good condition are Camper Specials and were only used for camping once in a
while. Hence most of them have the 360 for towing, I was wondering how many
of you have 70's F250's with the 360 and what kind of gas mileage you get.?

Thanks
Robert Houlne



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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:41:14 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering

Burt,
When I redid my '75 F250 4x4 I used the axle off a late-'77 F250 4x4 that had the
integral power steering (like the '78's and 79's). For a steering gear I ended up
using one off a late 70's D*dge 1/2 ton 4x4. This mounts on the outside of the
frame and the steering arm moves foward and back. I also used the draglink off
the d*dge which had to be lengthened to keep the wheel on center. I think you
might be able to use your front axle if you remove the power-assistor (if it had
power steering). If you want more info just let me know.

Ross Henjum

'75 F250 4x4 460 NP435 NP205



SHill48337 aol.com wrote:

> I have been building up a 1972 F250 4x4 for over a year now. From the
> beginning I have planned on modifying the steering by installing a power
> steering gear box and tie-rods from a newer F-series truck. I have read
> articles and been told that certain models and years work best for this



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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:05:37 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering

Ross,
Thanks for the info I had not considered using anything but Ford. However,
this is food for thought at least when I visit the salvage yards I can expand
my horizons. My preference would be to use one where the drag link moves
forward and back, the Dodge sounds good. I was also looking at maybe using
one of the Ford Y or T tie rod set ups and eliminate the forward and back drag
link. I believe with just about any set up I will have build a totally new
mounting bracket for the steering gear box. I have been searching about a 100
mile radius and pickings seem to be scarce. Most places have heard of what I
want to do but think they just donnot have anything I can use. I guess I will
have to specify a few choices, I will make the Dodge one of those. Anymore
information would be helpful.
Thanks Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 23:30:07 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pop Quiz, solution

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT)
hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU wrote:

> >
>> First thing I checked was coil mount bolt (coil has to be grounded) then
coil

>Gary....I don't *think* the coil needs to be grounded, as the current
> travels in the "BAT" terminal of the coil, through the primary windings,
>and out the "tach" terminal to the DuraSpark II ignition module (via
> the green wire). No need for the coil to be grounded.....

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