61-79-list-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 438



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Problem help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bad engine parts, was: responses
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 speedometer drive
FTE 61-79 - Henry's repairs update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
FTE 61-79 - Chrome Valve covers
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 question
FTE 61-79 - reply tp: 66 16" wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 question
FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100
RE: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sterring
Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
FTE 61-79 - Steering box rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering box rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Classified ads section
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100
FTE 61-79 - 460 id
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 id
FTE 61-79 - adress

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:47:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Problem help

Date sent: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:41:25 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Problem help

> vapor lock but it never quit running. However, all of a sudden I lost all
> ignition sense power ie. turn signals, radio and A/C. Power works
> everywhere else. Has anyone ever had this problem and is it possible the
> loosing power sympton are related?. I lost the accessory power
> immediately after that. I checked the fuse block with a meter and there is
> power to every fuse except the accessory fuse and the two spare lugs.

Could be the switch but chassis ground sounds more like it to me. You
need a secure, relatively heavy ground wire from the engine to the firewall of
the chassis to allow a good ground to all chassis functions and you need a
very good heavy ground from the battery to the engine to allow the starter to
function without damaging the alternator since it uses alternator and ignition
wires for a ground in the absence of a proper ground when starting the
engine etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:58:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bad engine parts, was: responses

From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Date sent: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:58:51 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - responses

> gentleman with the 60 over "nice block" i have a steel fe crank with
> cracks in all the journals that would make a nice match for your block. on

This brings up a question I have concerninga crank which I badly abused
with a 4# hammer when attempting to loosen the pistons to remove the
crank. I really whacked the counter weights many times, repeatedly to
attempt to break it free but it was really rusted together so I gave up and took
them out one piston at a time. The crank looks repairable but now that I
whacked it with the big hammer is it likely to be damaged? Might it have
cracks in it or be twisted? Will a magnaflux show any internal cracks so that
I can be "absolutely" sure it will not break if I re-use it after having it
reground?

I have some pretty good ideas as to the answers to these questions but tend
to be "retentive" so thought I'd ask the almighty list :-)

Mr. Sleddog, would you use this crank?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:20:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

Date sent: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:15:39 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

> idea would be some German manufacturer's, where they just stick a coil on
> each spark plug (no wire).

You mean like FoMoCo? We make the "coil per plug" right here at the Ypsi
"Visteon" plant (used to be FoMoCo :-( ) Next thing on the list is starterless
engines which are started by firing the cylinder which the computer
determines is on the power stroke with a dab of computer injected fuel and
the Ypsi "Starter" plant will be relocated to Hungary or Germany or Japan
or........:-(

Any day now there will be an EPA central computerized transmission center
for transmitting the necessary data to your engine as you drive to make sure
you don't do anything stupid. Your vehicle will no longer have it's own
computer but will have a transceiver to comunicate with an EPA substation
for all engine data/control :-(

I hear you can still use hi test gasoline, high compression and carbs on Mars
though so there's still hope.........I hear moving expense is real ugly though :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:33:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:35:12 -0700

> Man am I glad that I live along wayz from you...
> Duh, wait, I wouldn't have to worry anywaze! I cant figure out the AC sine
> wave on the scope when monitoring a 5VDC circuit.

Piece a cake, you just have to have one of them snowmobile clutch things on
the generator so you maintain the right commutator pulse and then filter out
the DC with a capacitor and you have 60hz AC from the secondary
harmonics induced by the commutator segments and ..........:-)

What I noticed in all the adds I read was that the multi-spark ignitions all have
lots of repeat sparks at low rpm which, in fact do help with marginal fuel
mixtures and low compression engines at low rpms but as rpm increases
these systems become more like the single spark systems.

Back in the old days of high compression and points ignition they used to
get 8-9k rpm, how did they do that? I still believe that with the right coil and
dual point ignition you can match most fo the new stuff performance wise
but you have to contend with constant adjustments and points replacements
and if the capacitors aren't properly rated you have problems so we're back
to dura spark eh? Now if you could just get it to work "well" above 4500
rpm we'd have a winner :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:37:16 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 speedometer drive

From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP435 speedometer drive
Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:33:30 -0500

> Any clues where the speedometer cable would attach? How to attach it?

As on all trannys (I'm familiar with), the speedo cable drive is in the tail
housing. On 4x4's that is the transfer case, on 2x4's it's in the output shaft,
tail housing, usually :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:46:21 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Henry's repairs update

I spent a lot of hours this weekend laboring with Henry's door. It is
painted and installed. I still need to put back the interior trim, the
outside chrome and pinstripe, the stereo speaker, the power door lock unit,
and the chrome vent shade. I installed all new window channel and weather
stripping from JCW. No more wind noise!

I killed my sander on the project. It was cheap and older than my son.
Where did I put that Harbor Freight catalog?

One of my new toys is a Sony Mavica digital camera. I have some web space
from Ken. Sometime during the next two weeks I will get some photos posted.
Watch my signature line for the URL when it's ready.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, freshly painted, straight door; no trim yet, but
it locks and keeps the cool air in !!!!
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:02:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question

From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
Date sent: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:36:51 -0500

> >Anybody, know what I should do with a 60 over block that, other
> >than the bore appears to be in fine shape?
> >
> >Hmmmm....
> >1. Ballast
> >2. Anchor
> >3. Planter
> >4. Chain a dog to it.
> >5. Heavy Duty mailbox post.
> >6. Winter traction adjustment

Clean engine cast goes for about $200/ton around here.......that's where mine
is going if I can get the last piston out that is.......:-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:18:07 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chrome Valve covers

Joe writes: >>Can anybody tell me what year Ford Used Chrome FE Vlave
covers(have powered by FORD on them) and what vehicles????I would like
to get another set since mine are losing there luster

The GT series FE's of '65 thru '68 (?) maybe. I'm positive of the '67
390GT Fairlane, but am guessing on the remainder of these years.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:18:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 question

Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:40:32 -0400
From: "David L. Reeves"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 question

> I have a 78 f150 that we bought new in 78. We bought the f150 since in 78
> only the f100 had smog stuff. Mine has a pcv valve and NOTHING else.
> F250's should have been similar.

I suspect you also had the EGR valve and volitile emmisions reclaimation
tank? (or what ever the heck it's called)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:29:42 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - reply tp: 66 16" wheels

16" wheels were standard equipmewnt on some F100 models based on GVW or as
an option. The wheels have a 5" or 5.5" rim width which makes them almost
useless for todays tires. The only tire that is recommended to fit that
width are bias ply tires. The 16" wheels on the 97 models won't fit because
the lug pattern was changed to a metric pattern in 97. Nobody sells a
standard 16" 5 lug steel wheel. You can have a set made by Stockton Wheel
in Stocton Ca for $100 per wheel with powder coated paint.


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:31:29 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 question

In a message dated 9/8/98 8:26:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gpeters3 ford.com
writes:

>

I've always known these as the Charcoal Canister.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:20:58 -0500
From: Bruce McDougall
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100

I recently inherited a '64 F-100 from my dad (original owner). The engine
is a straight 6 and totally original to the best of my knowledge. It has
terrible blow-by and runs very rich. I want to repair/tune it for my son
to drive but have been unable to locate a shop manual for this year truck.
Can anybody suggest a source for the manual or will a manual for another
year truck work?

Thanks,
Bruce McDougall
bruce.mcdougall ips-sendero.com


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:30:42 -0500
From: "Bob Brothers"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question

The block is a 360.

> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of kingster
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 1998 11:37 AM
>
> what size is the block?

> -----Original Message-----

I'm afraid the EPA would come down on me
pretty hard it I tried to put this block
on the ground. It looks like the Exxon
Valdez leaked all over it :

> >
> >Hmmmm....
> >1. Ballast
> >2. Anchor
> >3. Planter
> >4. Chain a dog to it.
> >5. Heavy Duty mailbox post.
> >6. Winter traction adjustment
> >

Thanks
Bob Brothers

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:42:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sterring

From: Hoover663 aol.com
Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:45:10 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sterring

> Does anyone know exactly how the sterring wheels in Nascar pop off I
> only know the ovius not specifics,do you know any manufactures that sell
> a kit

You buy a kit from Summit or Jeggs and a wheel that is compatible. There
are two types, one with a through pin and chain and another with a sleeve
release.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:43:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

From: CATLN7 aol.com
Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:55:44 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

> Sorry for any confusion. The mind is the first thing to go...The bracket
> did not have to be replaced. I was attempting to correct sloppy clutch
> operation with the 70 bracket that I had on hand. It didn't work any way,
> due to the difference in pivot location. The clutch return spring was too
> long.

Don't let the spring stop you, auto parts has generic springs you bend and
cut to size.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:00:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage

From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:57:05 -0500

> Gary,
> which junk yard donor? Do you mean get some linkage from a junk yard
> doner and modify/use this ?

Yes :-)

> I have an
> existing cross shaft on the truck now and I was anticipating having to
> modify it to mate to the new clutch fork.

This is just clutch linkage, how hard can it be :-) All you need to do it hook
the push link up to the bearing arm and hook up the spring to hold it in place
and you're all set. If it's hydraulic linkage then you have a whole nuther
smoke :-(

Do you know how to adjust the linkage?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:11:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100

From: Bruce McDougall
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100
Date sent: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:20:58 -0500

> I recently inherited a '64 F-100 from my dad (original owner). The engine
> is a straight 6 and totally original to the best of my knowledge. It has
> terrible blow-by and runs very rich. I want to repair/tune it for my son
> to drive but have been unable to locate a shop manual for this year truck.

Try Faxon or one of the off road dealers such as Jeff's bronco graveyard or
Tom's broncos. They may have access to a used reseller who can help you.
Faxon does their own reprints

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 14:13:29 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

Along this same subject. I replaced my 390 engine & tranny with another
of the same but in better condition. Forgot where the spring hooks to
from the clutch fork to what. I now have it running to the clutch lever
coming down from the block. Doesn't look right.

Anyone ?







At 02:43 PM 9/8/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: CATLN7 aol.com
>Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:55:44 EDT
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering,
Power Brakes
>
>> Sorry for any confusion. The mind is the first thing to go...The bracket
>> did not have to be replaced. I was attempting to correct sloppy clutch
>> operation with the 70 bracket that I had on hand. It didn't work any way,
>> due to the difference in pivot location. The clutch return spring was too
>> long.
>
>Don't let the spring stop you, auto parts has generic springs you bend and
>cut to size.
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
>78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
>9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
>-- Gary --
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:37:46 -0700
From: "todd cook"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering box rebuild

Does anyone know where I can get my manual steering box for my 1967 Ford 3/4 ton with 429 rebuilt? I recently broke something in the box and had to get one out of the local junkyard. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Todd

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:03:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

Date sent: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 14:13:29 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power

> Along this same subject. I replaced my 390 engine & tranny with another of
> the same but in better condition. Forgot where the spring hooks to from
> the clutch fork to what. I now have it running to the clutch lever coming
> down from the block. Doesn't look right.

The spring must pull the throwout arm away from the clutch and at the same
time pressurize the pedal and linkage to act as a return so it has to hook to
the arm and back toward the engine to a point on or near the belcrank
bracket or a hole in the frame. I believe mine runs from the outboard end of
the arm to a spot on the frame which keeps the spring nearly parallel with the
push rod link.

It cannot hook back to the link or it won't preload the pedal.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:07:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering box rebuild

Date sent: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:37:46 -0700
From: "todd cook"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering box rebuild

> Does anyone know where I can get my manual steering box for my 1967 Ford
> 3/4 ton with 429 rebuilt? I recently broke something in the box and had to
> get one out of the local junkyard. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks Todd

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http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pss1.com/index.htm

Are two book marks I have for rebuilt and new components.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:20:43 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

great, and I'm a mover ha ha

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:22:22 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Classified ads section

Due to the popular opinion (which I have to admit I agree with) that
the new classifieds pages stink, I've brought back the old classifieds.
I'm in the process of writing my own classifieds manager which I hope
will address the short-comings of both the old and new systems.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:19:02 -0700
From: "Dave & Debby Anderson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Shop Manual for '64 F-100

Bruce - I was able to find an original shop manual for my '61 at a place
called eBay. They're an on-line auction and can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pages.ebay.com/aw/index.html

Try searching in Books, non-fiction. I found what I wanted after just a
couple of visits and I really haven't been back since so I don't know
whether they get this sort of thing routinely or if I just happenned to be
in the right place at the right time. We have a good sized bookstore nearby
that deals in used books, they tend to want a lot for their stuff but that
may be another used option for you as well. Auto Krafters carries new
reprints if you'd like to go that route.

Dave


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:29:55 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 id

The 1975 460 I came across was said to have come out of a pickup, but.....

it appears to have a front sump on the oil pan. I have heard that all
pickups had a rear sump.

Are there any telltale items to confirm that it was out of a truck? Isn't
there something about the way the he passenger side exhaust outlet is
pointed? Is there something about the water inlet on the manifold? Any
other clues?

According to the sticker on the valve cover, it was manufactured in April,
1975 and has a 4 bbl. It also has a c6.

Gary mentioned about that this had Duraspark I. I don' t have the control
box - just the distributor. Any ideas on if there was a box on Duraspark
I? And what would be involved in converting to Duraspark II - short of
finding another 460 with the complete Duraspark II assembly? Will another
vehicles distributor fit in the 460? How feasible is it to get part from a
Duraspark II and put them in my distributor. This is not academic as I
need to have something for an ignition system. Ideas?

By the way, thanks to Dave the Ford nut, the np435 I picked up was for a 77
F250 4wd - which explains the lack of speedocable attachment - it is in the
transfer case. I am using it in a 2 wd application. I got a quote for
"about $100" to change the tailshaft and add the related parts from a good
truck yard (the other place I talked to said somewhere between 250 and 500
and we will let you know when we are done).

I have accumulated the 390 flywheel (being validated as a 390 and then
resurfaced), a block plate, a 400M bellhousing and throwout fork. I hope
to get some good info about the 460 from you guys/gals. Then more detail
planning to occur to minimize downtime and to try to eliminate/presolve the
issues that will be run into.

By the way Jon Purl wrote about how I as going to handle the crossmember
that would be in the way due the 3 point mounting of the 292. It will be
selectively removed back to the bracket that bolt to the bottom of the
frame, It will be replaced with C channel in the 1''-2'' x3" range.


Jim


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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:08:51 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 id

>Gary mentioned about that this had Duraspark I. I don' t have the control
>box - just the distributor. Any ideas on if there was a box on Duraspark
>I? And what would be involved in converting to Duraspark II - short of
>finding another 460 with the complete Duraspark II assembly? Will another
>vehicles distributor fit in the 460? How feasible is it to get part from a
>Duraspark II and put them in my distributor. This is not academic as I
>need to have something for an ignition system. Ideas?

The distributor and pick-up coil are the same for DS-1,2,3 aren't they?
I don't see why You couldn't just grab the duraspark 2 box out of any
donor vehicle and use it with Your distributor.

Also, the pick-up coil in the d-spark distributors will trigger an MSD
unit nicely, so You could use Your distributor with an MSD box if You
wanted to. I imagine that lots of the other aftermarket spark boxes....

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