61-79-list-digest Sunday, September 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 435



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Heavy metal disposal fee????
FTE 61-79 - 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - Blow-by
FTE 61-79 - 78 question
FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Ranchero
FTE 61-79 - Sterring
FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
FTE 61-79 - 16 inch rims for 66' Ford
FTE 61-79 - Re: Jacobs Omni Pak
FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
FTE 61-79 - NP435 speedometer drive
FTE 61-79 - "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Jacobs Omni Pak
FTE 61-79 - underhood paint
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion

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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:27:32 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heavy metal disposal fee????

>>>>$322 isn't at all out of line for the stuff You got.

Hope You find some wrenching time soon... (-:

It had been about ten years since I had any machine work done. When I had
some done recently I noticed on my receipt that I was charged a "heavy
metal disposal fee" and a "envirimental impact fee." What in the world
are these? Anybody know? It looks to me like just another tax.

Jon E. Purut
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:16:57 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap

>>>>The 62 F350 has front mounting for the 292. Has anybody used the
cross member style mounts from TransDapt and what was their experience -
good or bad? L&L doesn't offer anything for this vintage.


JAMES, I am interested in how you are going to do this swap. I would
eventually like to replace the 6 cyl engine in my 64 F500 with a V8. My
setup is like yours in that engine mounts were of the three point design.
The three point design utilizes one mount on the front of the engine and
one on either side of the bell housing. The bell housing has "ears" cast
into it and the mounts attach between the "ears" and a large cross
member. The bell housing is made with a flat bottom to clear the cross
member.

The problem with later model engine swaps is that the bell housing with
not clear this cross member. I have seen engine swaps where this cross
member is cut out to provide clearance. That is not a good solution since
the cross member is a major structural component of the frame. The frame
will loose some of its strength and will start bending the lower edge of
the rails outward as it sags.

The solution would be to replace the cross member to maintain structural
integrity. I think there are companys that make a special cross member
for the job. I remember seeing an article about this very subject in one
of the truck mags (custom classic I think.) Check some of the advertisers
in these mags for a possible supplier.

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updated it some so check it out.
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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 07:36:17 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blow-by

It usually is your rings, Is it smoking out the tailpipe? In some cases,
extremely worn exhaust valve guides will puke hot exhaust into the
covers creating crankcase pressure and burning the oil off of
everything. You don't see that much without accompying tired rings and
valves too. You'd have to put a set of worn out heads on a fresh short
block really (that's what seems to be the case with my FE). It's likely
the rings. If you run a compression check and find a weak cylinder or
two then you'll know.


> My 352 makes nice light puffs of (I assume oil) smoke out of this cap.
> While I
> never thought it was meant to be this way, I wrote it off as the POSITIVE
> crankcase ventilation. As long as I stay on top of the oil level (with
> certain suspect
> of the gauge now...) am I ok? The motor seems to run fine so how do I
> diagnose

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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 08:40:32 -0400
From: "David L. Reeves"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 question

I need to know if the 1978 ford trucks had a smog pump and catalytics. =

> > I am looking in to buying a 73-78 f-250. any suggestions would be

I have a 78 f150 that we bought new in 78. We bought the f150 since in 7=
8
only the f100 had smog stuff. Mine has a pcv valve and NOTHING else. =

F250's should have been similar.

Hope this helps.

dlr....
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:41:49 EDT
From: Hoover663 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Ranchero

I am getting a 78 ford Ranchero that will probaly need work so does anyone
know a Ford junkyard or an oldies junkyard that could supply me with parts or
parts cars.
P.S always looking for a cheap Ranchero

Thanks
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:45:10 EDT
From: Hoover663 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sterring

Does anyone know exactly how the sterring wheels in Nascar pop off I only know
the ovius not specifics,do you know any manufactures that sell a kit

Thanks
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:55:44 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction to RE:'67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:06:52 EDT I wrote
> You are converting from manual to power, right?
>
>I did have to change the pedal support bracket. It was out of a 70 w/auto
trans.
>As far as the rest of the conversion see the FTE web sites tech articles on
drum
>to disk conversion.

Sorry for any confusion. The mind is the first thing to go...The bracket did
not have to be replaced. I was attempting to correct sloppy clutch operation
with the 70 bracket that I had on hand. It didn't work any way, due to the
difference in pivot location. The clutch return spring was too long.


Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:11:17 -0700
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 16 inch rims for 66' Ford

Hello All,
A 66 Ford I drove in High School had 16 inch rims on it that I assumed
were stock. Does anyone know if the 16 inch rims off of the 97 Fords
fit? I tried to get some info
from the local Ford house but got blank stares when I asked about bolt
patterns. I guess the only thing they do is punch the year model into
the computer and see if they have the wheel or not. I was told to talk
to an after market place for 16 inch wheels for my truck.
Thanks for any info.

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 13:07:11 -0400
From: Forest New
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Jacobs Omni Pak

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> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:20:32 EDT
> From: GMPACHECO aol.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak
>
> Just read a article regarding the Omni Pak, anybody out there use it ? Does it
> increase the power as much as they say ? Just looking for a ez way to gain
> more power before the replacement of my engine. Article was in Custom Classic
> trucks.. oh yea Feb 98.
>
> Mike in Seattle

Mike,
Ive been running jacobs ignitions for years and depending on the condition of your
present ignition system you will see an increase in power. If you have a perfect
ignition system now that is 90-95 percent efficient then you won't see that much
gain but if you figure that mis-fires in a normal vintage engine in good condition
is about 10 percent of the time. The jacobs system monitors the spark plugs 30
times each firing cycle, if each time it samples the resistance of the plug and it
hasn't fired yet, it increases the voltage to the plug.
I tinkered around with my magnum omni pak to see if it was true or not, and was
surprised to be able to get a blue spark to jump about 3 inches to my firewall,
and that takes a LARGE voltage supply to jump that far. I personally bought one
because my ignition died at about 6800-7000 RPM and I needed it to get to 7800.
It has cured all my problems, coupled with a electronic distributer you can't go
wrong.
Dr. Jacobs also has a book you can purchase with all the theory behind the
ignition included which will really give you some insight into the ignition
process and his ideas to control it.

Forest New
racer23 mindspring.com
69 Mach1 Mustang
72 Ranger XLT

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:15:39 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, "Chris Samuel" wrote:
>
> But then there is Jacobs... Dr. Christopher and his merry minions...
> Recently Jacobs has been running a ton of Radio adds here locally claming
> that they can tell you exactly how much mileage and power you will gain by
> using their products... to two decimal places?? Riighhht!
> It is too bad that their guarantee is only money back less 10%... Now if
> they really believed in their product they would refund the full cost of
> their unit, installation and testing costs. Of course Jacobs would go
> broke...
>
> No optimized ignition system will make any more power then another brand of
> equally optimized ignition.
> That has been my personal opinion for many years. But not being a Double "E"
> and having a hard time with working in a system that is powered by magic...
> I generally kept my opinion to myself (probably I still should!) To make a
> long story short in the last engine course that I took the results of an
> ignition flog (testing several Ignition systems on the same engine,
> re-base-lining, etc., a scientific test) were shared with the class. Once in
> a while I am right as the results of changing only the brand of Ignition
> system and controlling all other variables as much as one can; confirmed
> that there was a less then 2% change between a any of the aftermarket units
> between 2000RPM and 5500RPM or where most street type engines live. Above
> 5500 there was a difference but that 'particular' Jacobs unit was not one of
> the top performers and by a whole long line of horses!
> IMHO: The Jacobs folks make a reliable, well packaged, easy to install (or
> so I hear) product; that is over priced and incapable of delivering "all"
> that the "advertising" claims it will.
> But it is easy to install and may..may.. be better then what you have now if
> it is completely stock. So what the heck it's you money.
> Me? Well I have run MSD, Crane, Stinger, Holley, Mallory, and yes Jacobs. I
> have sold off everything but the MSD and Crane. The more I learn, the less I
> believe in any of them. If I didn't own several examples I might be tempted
> to just run the Dura-spark... Naw that wouldn't be cool!

The one system that seems to stand out is the electromotive
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.electromotive-inc.com/hpv.htm). I don't think you'll have
any problems with RPM if this system works as claimed. Another really
nice idea would be some German manufacturer's, where they just stick a
coil on each spark plug (no wire).

Birken
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:33:30 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP435 speedometer drive

Today I picked up a deal on a NP435 - or so I thought - I think. There
doesn't seem to be a place for a speedometer cable.

I am very confident it is a NP 435 based on
-aluminum top with NP cast into the aluminum
-tag on the transmission reads
D7TA 7003 ARA 435
7 6 76 FL144

There is an electrical connection on the aluminum top piece that I assume
is the reverse switch.

Any clues where the speedometer cable would attach? How to attach it?


Jim Merlo
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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 16:51:01 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:35:12 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

Steve
Man am I glad that I live along wayz from you...
Duh, wait, I wouldn't have to worry anywaze! I cant figure out the AC
sine
wave on the scope when monitoring a 5VDC circuit.

Chris
79 Bronco

I think you need to hook up, or check the ground lead.

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1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!

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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:10:00 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Jacobs Omni Pak

Thanks, I believe I have been convinced to buy the Omni Pak.

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:43:12 PDT
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - underhood paint

This is the weekend that Fordzilla gets a new paint job!!!
I tried to pick up the paint using the original paint code, but the
store told me that the formula for my colour (1970 royal maroon)is no
longer available in the line of paint that i want (ppg delstar enamel).
So i took the big book of paint chips out into the parking lot to match
up the colour (early 1980's maroon *looks* the same)
Anyway... I remember someone asking about engine colours. In that book
there was a bulletin dated August, 1984 with colours for valve covers,
breathers, and engine blocks along with the PPG paint codes (delstar,
ditzler and delthane) for most ford engines from 1960-1980.
I am guessing that any PPG dealer should have this info, since the place
i was at has only been selling PPG paint since 1993.

The bodywork is done!!..body sanded!!...paint goes on tomorrow!!!!!
weather permitting :-)

Don Jones, Northern Ont, Canada
'85 f-150 SC ~~~~still FOR SALE~~~~
'70 f-250 4x4 Fordzilla, the ugly (but not for long)

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 19:28:41 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion

I converted a 78 F2504x4 with np435 to a c6 auto w/tilt steering
column.It's been 8-10 years since i have done it but here goes.... I got a
tilt column,the c6 for about 200bucks. NOT having had a real good backround
in mechanics I managed to do it fairly well.Where I screewed up was when i
got the c6 it was out of a SHORTBOX and so the adapter at the end of the c6
where it connects to the transfer case was TOO SHORT, i had to then be in 2
wheel drive till i found a driveshat fer the front.Dont know if this will
work with yer supercab or not but it worked with my 78 longbox.
things you have to get
1. C6 w/CAST IRON adapter to transfer case.
2.be sure to get the cover over the tunnel as that WILL be different.
3.If memory serves and due to extra part laying around,the steering column
extension (one with rag joint on end)
4.linkage from steering column to transmission
5. MOSTLY,it can be done and is not that difficult.
DONOR vehicle was a 79 F150 shortbox
THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF EXTENSIONS ON THE C6. With the shortbox it is TOO
short.Longbox will allow use of original front driveshaft on longbox
application
GOOD LUCK!! ;-)

I figured if I am going to go through all of the trouble and cost
>of rebuilding the trany, I might as well switch it to an automatic. My
>question is has anyone out there done this with a supercab? And where
>and what year trucks (can I use regular cabs) can I get the parts from....

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