61-79-list-digest Saturday, September 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 434



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 78 f-150 4x4 for sale
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
FTE 61-79 - Re: Oil drips
FTE 61-79 - Re: Oil drips
FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 and pricing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Springs
FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion
FTE 61-79 - Re: Embarrassing question- thanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Embarrassing question- thanks
FTE 61-79 - Re: train track
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Input Shaft Seal
FTE 61-79 - Oil Level Lights Was: Embarrassing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion
FTE 61-79 - Was Embarrassing question, now my truck is dying!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Embarrassing question, now my truck is dying!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Input Shaft Seal
FTE 61-79 - Daytona Turkey Rod Run
FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question
FTE 61-79 - vacation.....

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:07:55 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 f-150 4x4 for sale

I would have put the price in the subject line but didn't want to scare anyone
off :-) This guy is pretty proud of his truck but it is pretty nice. Looks like it
may have a small lift, 33-35" tires with fair tread, bright red, new paint and
cap to match, metal looks good as far as I could see from squating in the
parking lot....I'd put it on a lift before finishing my dickering for sure but it
looks pretty clean. Driver seat may be worn through since he has a towel
lying in that spot but the rest looks worn but in good condition. Bed has
rubber liner on bottom so can't tell about condition. 400, np435 but can't tell
what xfer case (custom shift handle).

Price.........$5300
Location.....Tecumseh, MI, Valueland parking lot on M-50

And me with no money :-( It's just the truck I've been looking for except I'd
rather have a 250 or 350 of that vintage with stock 460. Passed one up when
I bought my bronco, got it instead.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:24:23 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage

You could get the hydraulic setup from a mid eighties F250 and adapt
it. It uses a slave cylinder at the fork(not in the release bearing
like the later ones)

I'd bet that the linkage could be adapted, anyone?

> I am also going to have to fabricate some type of clutch linkage to the
> clutch fork. I have read how to do it in some books, but I have never done
> it. Any tips? is it a good idea to start with the existing cross shaft and
> modify from there or????

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 08:47:30 -0600
From: Jamey Moss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oil drips

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> Jim McCarty wrote:
>> I just inherited my dad's '73 F100 with 390. I did my first oil change
>> and the drain plug is well over the center crossmember. My question to
>> all you experienced guys is - What is a trick I can use to keep the oil
>> off the crossmember?

> On my '71, I take a piece of cardboard maybe 8" x 10" and fold a "V" in
> it lengthwise. I slip the "V" between the oil pan and the crossmember
> so it angles downward into my drain pan. Kind of a funnel. Works good.
> I usually change my air filter when I change the oil, so I slice a piece
> of cardboard out of the air filter box for the job...

It's uncanny how much Steve's reply looks like the one I typed up and was just
about to send when I went back and read the other messages. What Steve
described works really well, and with a little variation also works for
mess-free oil filter changes (on many vehicles, including my wife's car and my
motorcycle). Not to mention that it's cheap and disposable.


Jamey Moss

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:08:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oil drips

> Jamey Moss wrote:
It's uncanny how much Steve's reply looks like the one I typed up and was just
about to send when I went back and read the other messages. What Steve
described works really well, and with a little variation also works for
mess-free oil filter changes (on many vehicles, including my wife's car and my
motorcycle). Not to mention that it's cheap and disposable.

Another good trick for the oil filter is to get a narrow plastic bag, like from a
newspaper. Loosen the filter then slide the bag over the end. Undo the filter the
rest of the way and let the bag catch filter and oil.


Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:16:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question

Ohio Bill (minus a 360) wrote:

more blowby than was acceptable (enough to blow oil out thru the
breathers).

Ok here is a really embarrasing question, what exactly is meant by blow by? I
thought it was oil that went past the piston ring and out the exhaust?

Here's yet another: By breathers do you mean the cap on top of the valve cover?
My 352 makes nice light puffs of (I assume oil) smoke out of this cap. While I
never thought it was meant to be this way, I wrote it off as the POSITIVE
crankcase ventilation. As long as I stay on top of the oil level (with certain suspect
of the gauge now...) am I ok? The motor seems to run fine so how do I diagnose
whats wrong?
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:26:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak

From: sdelanty sonic.net
Date sent: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:56:57 -0700
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak

> high energy, multi-spark ign unit is going to be at low rpm operation
> when combustion chamber temps and pressures are low, mixture turbulance
> in the cylinder is lazy, and when fuel atomization may be relatively poor
> and the fuel/air mix is just generally much harder to get lit.

I think I addressed this with the lean burn comments although not with this
much detail, thanks Steve, I agree with this.

> At high RPM/WOT the fuel air mix is usually well atomized, it's under
> much higher pressure and temperature and has much more turbulance, and
> it's just aching for a chance to go off... it doesn't take as much spark
> energy to get it going

This may be true but you also have much higher cylinder pressure which
compresses the air and causes the resistance between the electrodes to go
up...dramatically so that more spark energy or narrower gaps are needed.
This is where the OEM systems fall down. They can't keep up with the
demand for one reason or another, either the coil can't make the spark hot
enough or capacitance or inductance in the coil, module or pickup or
whatever reduces the spark intensity at exactly the time when it's needed.
It's very well known that the dura spark begins to fail about 4k rpm for these
reasons so I would certainly expect to see my 460 able to run beyond 75 in
second without stumbling with the msd unit. I've changed the intakes and
exhuaust several times but the top end has reamained just about the same so
I have concluded the ignition is the probably culprit.

My 400 in the bronco only gets about 65 in third before it basically levels off
(I used to call this running out of air but now believe it to be ignition related)
but it doesn't cut out and stumble, just won't go any faster. The 460 is very
strong right up to the point where it begins to stumble which makes an even
better case for ignition, the bronco is questionable but both are hitting
roughly the same rpm when they die.

Again I'm making some assumtions here based on hear say and information
gleaned from automotive classes I've taken and since these symptoms could
be caused by several things (cam, intake, exhuast) I could be wrong :-)

Please explain where I'm missing something if any of this is incorrect?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:41:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 and pricing

From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 and pricing
Date sent: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:43:48 -0500

> reasonable prices? 75 460 from a pickup less than $400 (final price
> negotiation when I pick it up) bellhousing from 351M, throwout fork,
> bearing, pressure plate, etc., flywheel and T19/T18/NP435 trans $300

> Does this seem like reasonable pricing numbers?

Considering used np435's go for $350 I'd say yes and yes for a running 460
as well, make sure you get all the brackets with it and try to get the alternator
and power steering pump if they'll throw them in.

> How do I tell if the transmission is OK when it is laying there?

You can't but you can check to see if it will go in all the gears with some
detent and that the input and output shafts turn as expected.

> it still has points in 75? I had a 75 GM that had electronic. Did this
> stuff wait on trucks because the emissions were less stringent? Did they
> put hardened valve seats in at this time on these?

75 should have dura spark I ignition, it came out in 74. I believe the 73's had
hardened seats and of course all after that :-)






>
> I still need an alternator mounting bracket - any ideas of different
> motors that may use the same? OR is it a fabricate job?
>
> The 62 F350 has front mounting for the 292. Has anybody used the
> crossmember style mounts from TransDapt and what was their experience -
> good or bad? L&L doesn't offer anything for this vintage.
>
> I am also going to have to fabricate some type of clutch linkage to the
> clutch fork. I have read how to do it in some books, but I have never
> done it. Any tips? is it a good idea to start with the existing cross
> shaft and modify from there or????
>
> The 460 comes with a C6 attached - it is going to the guy who is going to
> help me.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Springs

> springs are also cracked, so they are due to go too. The local spring
> shop said they'd be happy to make me new springs for $400 a side, and
> I nearly choked! Does anyone know a good source for decent leaf
> springs that won't leave me feeling unloved and poor?

Ouch! I got new springs on both sides of my '78 for $350 total
(install included). Looks like you're in Nebraska, so a place in
Zanesville OH probably won't do you much good, though...

- --sean

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:03:30 -0500
From: David John
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion

Hi all,

I have a 78 F250 4x4 supercab with a 4 speed that has a really noisy 3rd
gear. I figured if I am going to go through all of the trouble and cost
of rebuilding the trany, I might as well switch it to an automatic. My
question is has anyone out there done this with a supercab? And where
and what year trucks (can I use regular cabs) can I get the parts from
to do the job.

To further complicate this, the person I bought the truck from switched
it from a 400 to a 460 and he told me that he had a newer 460 in it and
that he had a real hard time finding a bell housing to work. I believe
he said it was 84 or newer, is there any way or stampings on the motor
that I can identify the year of my motor?

Another list member has helped me quite a bit(thanks John), but I would
hate to buy the original auto parts and find out they don't bolt up to
my motor.

The other idea I have is if this motor is truely 84 or newer could I put
in a newer 5 speed that has overdrive and an hydrolic clutch, will this
work with my 78 transfercase or do I have to get the matching one with
the 5 speed? This would be fine too, provided it would bolt in with my
cross members etc.

Any thoughts or advice anyone has would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

David R. John
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:05:59 -0400
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Embarrassing question- thanks

Hi ya everyone,
Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and insights to my deceased
360. I pulled it two weeks ago (adding a quart every 25 miles was
too annoying) and replaced it w/ another 360. I'd much rather have
dropped a 390 or Marko 410, but she's my daily driver so I didn't
have the time to rebuild something nice.
In some ways it's frustrating to take such a step back. I've put
so much time and sweat into that truck and when the engine basically
dies like it did...it's a kick in the pants. It makes me
appreciate those of you who are restoring your trucks, or who have
trucks that look/are much nicer than mine. Thanks for the support
and non-flame-age... :-)

I guess the moral of the story is to check your oil and listen
for bad noises, b/c the gauge doesn't work well at higher revs.
Perhaps there is a way to rig up an OIL-LEVEL indicator/sender in
the oil pan, and a gauge in the cab? Any thoughts on this one?

Thanks for all your help.
Ohio Bill
1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:26:09 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Embarrassing question- thanks

>I guess the moral of the story is to check your oil and listen
>for bad noises, b/c the gauge doesn't work well at higher revs.
>Perhaps there is a way to rig up an OIL-LEVEL indicator/sender in
>the oil pan, and a gauge in the cab? Any thoughts on this one?
>
My 96 Mustang GT has a low oil level light on it, and seems like Dad told
me the explorer's have em too ... not sure how they do it, but it shouldn't
be to hard if you can get the sensor then you can easily wire a light to
it. Just remember this when you park on a hill! The annoying thing
related to this is that the light doesn't go off until the next restart,
but I would guess that if you wire it yourself you can change that.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:45:20 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: train track

John wrote:
>
>I have the neatest little thing to use for an anvil when beating out
>u-joints and other stuff that needs beating. I don't know where you
>would
>get it, though. I got mine from my dad who had it ever since I can
>remember. It is a 5 inch long piece of narrow gauge train track. It is
>marvelous. If anyone knows where you can get some, let us know.
>

You have a truck, dontcha? Gets dark where you're at, don't it? Well,
then...

Actually, I also got my first piece from my Dad (I guess those old guys
are good for something). I have several other bits of RR track obtained
when they rebuilt a switch. Switches are a good place to look because
they wear out rapidly and require lots of little short pieces of rail
(read: man-portable). Trespassing issues aside, the railroad was just
going to have to pay someone to haul away the scrap anyway; may as well
be you! Railroad spikes make good dollies, too. I also have a "real"
anvil obtained from a friend who is a farrier/blacksmith. Too worn for
professional work, but fine for me.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Input Shaft Seal

> My power steering gear assembly is leaking like seive. The seal around the
> power steering input shaft appears to be the culprit. Has anyone changed
> one of these before? Any special tools needed? Where can you get the
> replacement parts? I think it is a Bendix unit, the only markings I can
> find on it is a molded in "B" on the top of the unit. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>

My 68 F-100 had a bendix box that leaked there. Turned out to be
a small o-ring. The input on a bendix box is actually two shafts,
the inner is a torque bar controlling the valving. After I removed
the shaft from the box, the manual said 'no further disassembly is
possible', so I promptly pressed a retaining pin out, separated the
two shafts and replaced the o-ring. Guess I never was one to follow
directions:-).

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

'96 Bronco :-) New Toy
'70 F-250 Crew Cab :-) Old Toy
'94 T-bird
'87 Bronco II
'83 280ZX in a whole buch of pieces - Cracked Cylinder :-(

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Level Lights Was: Embarrassing question

> >I guess the moral of the story is to check your oil and listen
> >for bad noises, b/c the gauge doesn't work well at higher revs.
> >Perhaps there is a way to rig up an OIL-LEVEL indicator/sender in
> >the oil pan, and a gauge in the cab? Any thoughts on this one?
> >
> My 96 Mustang GT has a low oil level light on it, and seems like Dad told
> me the explorer's have em too ... not sure how they do it, but it shouldn't
> be to hard if you can get the sensor then you can easily wire a light to
> it. Just remember this when you park on a hill! The annoying thing
> related to this is that the light doesn't go off until the next restart,
> but I would guess that if you wire it yourself you can change that.
>

This is a float type of sender, I replaced it on my Aerostar ('88, 3.0 v6)
It was about $30 from Ford. It uses a BIG threaded insert on the oil pan,
I guess that would be the tough part. For later (302/351/460) engines, I
suspect a pan could be purchased. For the FE lovers amongst us, well,
you know.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:31:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question

From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:16:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question

> Ok here is a really embarrasing question, what exactly is meant by blow
> by? I thought it was oil that went past the piston ring and out the
> exhaust?

Not out the exhaust, into the crank case. The PCV can't keep up with it so it
has to come out the inlet breather which is the only place it can escape. On
vehicles equipped with air cleaner crankcase breather filters you will know
you have blow by when the air filter gets clogged with oil since the pressure
blows oil out of the valve cover into the hose connected to the air filter
housing.

Blow by is caused by ring and cylinder wear which allows the rings to pass
gas so to speak and oil as well, sort of like a wet fart (did I say that?) but the
oil goes up and the gas goes down so you get burned oil in the cylinders and
carbon deposits on top of the pistons etc. and blow by into the crank case.
Once it begins engine life expectancy diminishes rapidly because the blow by
damages the oil causing accellerated wear and since enigne temp drop more
fuel passes the rings and contaminates the oil as well so with old engines and
low budgets, more frequent oil changes are in order.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:33:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage

Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:24:23 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage

> > I am also going to have to fabricate some type of clutch linkage to the
> > clutch fork. I have read how to do it in some books, but I have never
> > done it. Any tips? is it a good idea to start with the existing cross
> > shaft and modify from there or????

Why can't you just get the linkage off a junk yard donor and bolt it on?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:38:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion

Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:03:30 -0500
From: David John
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Supercab 4spd to auto conversion

> I have a 78 F250 4x4 supercab with a 4 speed that has a really noisy 3rd
> gear. I figured if I am going to go through all of the trouble and cost
> of rebuilding the trany, I might as well switch it to an automatic. My
> question is has anyone out there done this with a supercab? And where and
> what year trucks (can I use regular cabs) can I get the parts from to do
> the job.

AFAIK the 460's are all the same with respect to the transmission but
flywheels need to be kept with the engine since pre 79's are zero balanced
and later ones are detroit balanced. When switching from auto to stick and
vixa versa you have to swap in or out the pilot bearing in the crank and make
sure the torque converter nub fits the crank.

To convert to auto you will need a new steering column made for autos and
the shift linkage and downshift bar and links otherwise there's not difference
but the overall length of the tranny may require a drive shaft swap as well.

IMHO, unless you really want the auto you're better off to rebuild the tranny
:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:59:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Was Embarrassing question, now my truck is dying!

>Gary wrote:
>Not out the exhaust, into the crank case. The PCV can't keep up with it so it
has to come out the inlet breather which is the only place it can escape. On
vehicles equipped with air cleaner crankcase breather filters you will know
you have blow by when the air filter gets clogged with oil since the pressure
blows oil out of the valve cover into the hose connected to the air filter
housing.

Aaaagghh. My truck does this. K-rud. I am supposed to drive to Austin in about
2 hours and now I'm gonna be sweatin' bullets thinking about how I am killing my
engine.

So now I guess I need new rings on my truck? I am determined to do work to my
truck myself, so looks like it'll be a long weekend....
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:46:02 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Embarrassing question, now my truck is dying!

From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:59:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Was Embarrassing question, now my truck is dying!

> So now I guess I need new rings on my truck? I am determined to do work
> to my truck myself, so looks like it'll be a long weekend.... Bryan

Have you done this work before? If not let us know, there are a few
precautions you should follow so it will last a while :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:16:45 -0400
From: "Ted C. Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Input Shaft Seal

Where did yours leak from? Was this seal between the two shafts or between
the inner (torque) shaft and the housing?

Thanks,

- -Ted
oldparts ford-trucks.com
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From: Pat Brown
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Input Shaft Seal


>> My power steering gear assembly is leaking like seive. The seal around
the

>>
>
>My 68 F-100 had a bendix box that leaked there. Turned out to be
>a small o-ring. The input on a bendix box is actually two shafts,
>the inner is a torque bar controlling the valving. After I removed
>the shaft from the box, the manual said 'no further disassembly is
>possible', so I promptly pressed a retaining pin out, separated the
>two shafts and replaced the o-ring. Guess I never was one to follow
>directions:-).
>
>Pat Brown
>Sebastopol, California
>
>'96 Bronco :-) New Toy
>'70 F-250 Crew Cab :-) Old Toy
>'94 T-bird
>'87 Bronco II
>'83 280ZX in a whole buch of pieces - Cracked Cylinder :-(
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:39:02 -0400
From: "Bob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Daytona Turkey Rod Run

Are there any plans anyone has fo attending the Turkey Rod Run here in
Daytona this year?? Great event & wonderful swap meet/car corral. Been
going for about 5 years now & have yet to see the cars. Can't seem to get
out of the swap meet ;o)

Bob
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:35:12 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: "high-zoot multi-spark ign systems"

- ->Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:56:57 -0700
- ->From: sdelanty sonic.net
- ->Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak
- ->
BIG SNIP
- -> I've installed a couple "high zoot" ignition systems
SNIP
- -> It doesn't seem like any of them made any noticable difference difference
- ->in mid-high rpm power, but all seemed to improve low RPM/light throttle
- ->response and smoothness.
SNIP
- ->I think that a good high-energy ignition system is a must for any motor.
- ->Almost any magnetic-pickup electronic setup is a big improvement over
- ->a points ignition.
SNIP
- ->I think a good ignition system is worth the investment, but I wouldn't
- ->expect it to cut much off Your 1/4 mile times... I'd expect the
improvements
- ->to be more subtle, and mostly when cruising at idle around town,
especially
- ->with a big lumpy cam.
- ->
- ->Anyway, that's my veiw on "high-zoot milti-spark ign systems" based on
- ->my limited experiance on a few systems on street motors...

Steve
All Well thought out and well said, and I agree; for what ever that's worth.

But then there is Jacobs... Dr. Christopher and his merry minions...
Recently Jacobs has been running a ton of Radio adds here locally claming
that they can tell you exactly how much mileage and power you will gain by
using their products... to two decimal places?? Riighhht!
It is too bad that their guarantee is only money back less 10%... Now if
they really believed in their product they would refund the full cost of
their unit, installation and testing costs. Of course Jacobs would go
broke...

No optimized ignition system will make any more power then another brand of
equally optimized ignition.
That has been my personal opinion for many years. But not being a Double "E"
and having a hard time with working in a system that is powered by magic...
I generally kept my opinion to myself (probably I still should!) To make a
long story short in the last engine course that I took the results of an
ignition flog (testing several Ignition systems on the same engine,
re-base-lining, etc., a scientific test) were shared with the class. Once in
a while I am right as the results of changing only the brand of Ignition
system and controlling all other variables as much as one can; confirmed
that there was a less then 2% change between a any of the aftermarket units
between 2000RPM and 5500RPM or where most street type engines live. Above
5500 there was a difference but that 'particular' Jacobs unit was not one of
the top performers and by a whole long line of horses!
IMHO: The Jacobs folks make a reliable, well packaged, easy to install (or
so I hear) product; that is over priced and incapable of delivering "all"
that the "advertising" claims it will.
But it is easy to install and may..may.. be better then what you have now if
it is completely stock. So what the heck it's you money.
Me? Well I have run MSD, Crane, Stinger, Holley, Mallory, and yes Jacobs. I
have sold off everything but the MSD and Crane. The more I learn, the less I
believe in any of them. If I didn't own several examples I might be tempted
to just run the Dura-spark... Naw that wouldn't be cool!

Steve...
- -> All that I needed to know in life, I learned by
- -> killing smart people and eating their brains.
This explains many things...
Oh, gosh.. it's quiet... where's Deacon...
Steve, you didn't!

Man am I glad that I live along wayz from you...
Duh, wait, I wouldn't have to worry anywaze! I cant figure out the AC sine
wave on the scope when monitoring a 5VDC circuit.

Chris
79 Bronco



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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:57:05 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage

Gary,
which junk yard donor? Do you mean get some linkage from a junk yard doner
and modify/use this ? Or do you mean something else? I have an existing
cross shaft on the truck now and I was anticipating having to modify it to
mate to the new clutch fork. I didn't anticipate the new fork lining up to
the linkage of the old fork --- or am I making too much out of this.

Jim

- ----------
> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
> Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 9:33 AM
>
> Date sent: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 06:24:23 -0500
> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Linkage
>
> > > I am also going to have to fabricate some type of clutch linkage to
the
> > > clutch fork. I have read how to do it in some books, but I have
never
> > > done it. Any tips? is it a good idea to start with the existing
cross
> > > shaft and modify from there or????
>
> Why can't you just get the linkage off a junk yard donor and bolt it on?
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
> 78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:02:31 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Embarrassing question....


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