61-79-list-digest Monday, August 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 428



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Springfield Get-Together
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Sitting in Yard, Waiting to be Painted
Re: FTE 61-79 - Twin Traction beam
FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck Sitting in Yard...
FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck sitting in Yard
FTE 61-79 - Ford Grille Guards
FTE 61-79 - Truck woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Optima batteries
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site down for upgrades
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Major FTE web site updates!
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award
Re: FTE 61-79 - Optima batteries
Re: FTE 61-79 - More 300 Six...
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE MAJOR electrical problems...
FTE 61-79 - overheating status report
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: bellhousings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Atlanta Get-together in Sept at truck show
FTE 61-79 - Re: Twin Traction beam
FTE 61-79 - twin traction beam

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:21:59 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springfield Get-Together

Ken Payne's recent post concerning the Atlanta show got me to
thinking: I will be going to a show/swap meet called "Springfield in the
Fall" in Springfield, Ohio, the same weekend, September 11-13. While I
have not made it to the Fall meet before, if it is like the Spring meet,
it is a general show, with an accent on swap meet, rather than a
strictly truck show. It would be a great meeting place for some of us in
the northern reaches who can't make Atlanta this year.
If any of you are interested, let me know, and we'll get together
Saturday the 12th. If we can't all get together at the same time, look
for a "well fed" guy with light brown hair, a reddish beard and a
"Grover" t-shirt in the vicinity of a Tempo and a Kelty tent, or
somewhere in the swap area looking longingly at something he can't
afford!

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Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com


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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:28:54 EDT
From: Bluforest aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Sitting in Yard, Waiting to be Painted

Regarding the truck that needs painting, and anyone else that needs paint and
body work but is low on cash, here's what I did. Our local college offers
classes called ROP, open to anyone, and free. You can take them in auto body
either all day Saturday of two nights a week. All it costs to fix up and
paint your truck is the cost of the paint, about $30-$40, all tools, the paint
booth, etc. is free.
Spent all day yesterday removing rust, instructor said I did about $400
worth of work in one class day, for nothing but my time. I highly recommend
doing the painting yourself this way.
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 08:54:05 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Twin Traction beam

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> This is for all you crazy fabricators out there. My brother is selling his 84
> F-150 and wants to get a mid 70's F-250. He wants a 4 wheel drive, but wants
> to go a different route. He wants to use the Twin Traction Beam front end off
> the newer (80 and up) Trucks on it. It sounds like a hell of an idea to me,
> but we were both wondering if he should start with a 2wd or a 4wd. Either way
> I'm sure we have our work cut out for us. Any advice you could offer would be
> greatly appreciated
>
> Also if Anyone is interested in this truck. Let me know.
>
> JUMPINFORD AOL.com
> 73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Does the term "nuts" ring a bell?

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:57:32 -0400
From: "Paul Rider"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck Sitting in Yard...

Someone else might help you with the engine & tranny. My
guess on the engine would be if you get it warmed up good at
least once a month it should be all right. But if it isn't
being driven, I would want the truck on blocks to save tires
(keep the tires treated too) & wheel bearings. The bearings
can go bad from sitting in one place -- I had to replace
front bearings on my '67 after it had been driven only a few
times a year for several years. They were a pitted, roaring
mess.

Paul in Huber Heights OH
'67 F-100

>Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:53:13 -0400
>From: "Matarrtas"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck Sitting in Yard, Waiting to be
Painted
>
> I have a 78 Ford F-100 SB that I just had the engine
and transmisson
>rebuilt about a year ago. Now the truck is ready to be
painted, but I don't
>have the money to just go to a paint shop and have it done.
The truck has a
>351M with a C6 behind it every part is new(or rebuilt) for
the engine and
>tranny. My fear is that if I let the truck sit to long
something will go
>bad or start to leak. The truck will be sitting for about 6
months to a year
>at the max. I do start the truck about 2-3 times a week.
Does anybody have
>some good tips to keep the engine and tranny in good
condition? Should I
>put something in the fuel tank to keep the gas fresh?
Should I do anything
>to the radiator to keep that from leaking? Any suggestions
if anybody has
>had to let their truck sitting for a while would be great.
>
>Thanks
>Warren
>78 F-100 351M
>78 F-150 XLT 351M

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:50:55 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Truck sitting in Yard

Warren writes........

The truck will be sitting for about 6 months to a year
at the max. I do start the truck about 2-3 times a week. Does anybody have
some good tips to keep the engine and tranny in good condition? Should I
put something in the fuel tank to keep the gas fresh? Should I do anything
to the radiator to keep that from leaking? Any suggestions if anybody has
had to let their truck sitting for a while would be great.
Thanks
Warren
78 F-100 351M
78 F-150 XLT 351M
..............

If a vehicle sits long enough, then rust can form inside the axle
assembly (anything not bathed in oil). When you drive the vehicle after
storage, the rust will fall down into the oil, go through the wheel
bearings, and then the wheel seals. A rust + oil mixture would damage just
about every component inside the assembly. It seems logical to assume that
the trans could suffer from this potential problem as well. I don't think
idling in park will lubricate the trans as well as being in gear.

Michael
SLC, Utah

69 F250 360 auto
69 F250 390 T18 Posi 3.54



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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:48:40 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Grille Guards

Hey guys... After years of searching, I finally found an original
factory grille guard on a '66 f-100. I need to know from anyone out
there who may have one on their '65 or '66 if this guard I've found will
indeed fit a '65. The seller seems to think there may be a discrepency,
as neither of us has actually seen one on a '65, only a '66, and he
can't confirm a part #. I know the '65s and '66s are virtually
identical trucks, and in my '65 owner's manual there is a picture of
one, but was it an actual option in '65 or just a prototype and not
actually sold until '66? the part # in the manual is C5TZ 8307-A. Any
help will be greatly appreciated as it's going to cost a small fortune
to have this thing shipped from Vancouver to California and I'd like to
make double-sure it's going to be correct.

Thanks in advance,

Norm
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:52:10 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck woes

Yesterday was a very bad day for my truck. (67 F100) As most of you know
I recently restored it and had it up at the Supernats. Anyway while
swmbo and I were on our way to visit her sister we stopped at a local
postoffice to mail some letters and as I was getting ready to pull away
a lady in a BIG Black VAN backed up into the passenger door. Needless
to say that door must now be replaced. Also the chrome that took me 6
months to find NOS and was installed in June must now be replaced on
that door. At least it didn't do anymore damage.
After we got to my wife's sisters, I went out to move the truck and it
would not start. The alternator belt had slipped and the alternator
wasn't turning to charge the battery. Well I had to get a new belt but
while rolling the truck out of the way to get it jumped off the rag
joint on the steering column broke. 3 bad things on on day is just too
much.
Just thought I would share with everyone what happened. I am sure some
of you have been in this position before.
Garry
67 F100 Longbed (Christine)(Damaged goods)

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:57:27 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Optima batteries

Kerry Walker wrote:
>
> Some bozo sent me a corrupted file, so I haven't been receiving my mail for
> a few days now. I'M BAAACK!!!
>
> JUMPINGFORD wrote
>
> >Have you tried the Optima series batteries? They are worth every >penny.
> In
> >fact they are the only battery to last more than a year in our F-600
> (Diehards
> >had a life of about 18 months). The current Optima has been in that >truck
> >going on three and a half years.
>
> I have read about them and wondered if they worked like they say they do. I
> know the dealers are proud of them. If I wasn't getting ready to sell Old
> Blue I might look at them a little harder. She's a good truck, but I need
> cash more than I need a 1 ton. And I can't afford to put any money into her.
> Thanks for the info anyway, That Wally-World battery I put in my '68 isn't
> going to crank that big block forever : )
>
> Kerry Walker



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What area of the country do you live in? I live in Phoenix Az., and
have an Optima in my wife's Ch*vy Suburban, and I like it pretty well.
The main thing I like is they don't spew acid all over the place!!

Blaine Strong
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:28:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site down for upgrades

The FTE web site will be down for approximately
1.5 hours for upgrades.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:33:12 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Major FTE web site updates!

Been **very** busy! The web site has many updates! Check it out...

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

Major Web Site Update!!!!!
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- -New multimedia buttons. Any Javascript compatible browsers will work with these.
Will still work with non Javascript compatible browsers. Netscape 3+ and IE 3+
should work great. Make sure Javascript is enabled with these browsers if you
want to see the buttons work.

- -Newly enhanced search engine.

- -Search button at the top-right hand corner of most pages.

- -Top banner looks much better than it used to. Now fits to page size regardless
of screen resolution.

- -Completely new classifieds.
1. 40 different sections - makes it easier to find what you're looking for
2. You can now remove your ads
3. Picture ads!! These will cost $5 for 6 months. I would do it for free
but each picture ad takes some setup time on my part.

- -July archives on-line.

- -Misc Section Additions
1. Updated and extensive suppliers list submitted, by Mike Morton. This is
really good!
2. Engine Combination Tester, by Sleddog
3. Rod Ratio Simulator, by Sleddog
4. Recording Sheet for Measuring Bore Dimensions in the Cylinders Using a Bore Gauge
by Sleddog

- -Pictorial additions
92 F150 4x4
91 F150
67 F100
97 Expedition
92 Eddie Bauer Bronco

- -New Tech Articles
1. Installing A 1987-93 Mustang SEFI 5 Liter V8/AOD Drive Train into A
61- 79 F100 - F250 Truck, By Donald R. Haulsee
2. How to change valve springs and valve stem seals (Without removing the
cylinder heads)
By Steve Delanty
3. Steering Wheel puller for '71 F100 (and many other Ford vehicles)
By Steve Delanty
4. Transistorized Points Ignition
By Steve Delanty, How to add transistorized points ignition to older
engines that can't be converted to full electronic ignition.
5. On board air
By Steve Delanty, How to add an on-board air compressor to your truck.

- -Awards - New Autumn 98 award from Carlounge added.

- -Press releases - new section showing what the press has to say about us.

- -Extended Warrantees - Warranty Gold has teamed up with us to offer extended
warrantees for new and used trucks, vans, suvs and cars. These are up to
60% lower in price than dealer warrantees and usually have better covered.


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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:33:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Car Lounge Award

Autumn Car Lounge Awards just came out. This time we got
10th place instead of 1st but I'm still pleased. Check it
out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/topten/ttaut98.htm

Thanks for the support on the vote, we really appreciate
it. Looks like FTE is really starting to get noticed!

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:37:35 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Optima batteries

I'm in Las Vegas. And being in AZ you must also have the same problem with
heat killing batteries. I love those Optimas.

JUMPINFORD aol.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:34:52 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More 300 Six...

Dont know about the rest of ya, but I get 14mpg on my '78 F250 4x4. With 4.10
gears and 31" tires. So im doing all right


cannandale
'78 f250 4x4, 460

61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Hey Gary, just one question comes to mind, what gas milege do you get on all
> those 460's....lol
>
> Robert
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:39:41 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE MAJOR electrical problems...

Do you think that could be my prob? I got a 460 and the starter always drags
when I try to start it after its been running, almost seems like the battery is
dead. Somebody told me that the timing was too advanced, but I cant figure how
that would matter..

cannandale
'78 f250 4x4, 460

61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Daniel,
> Sounds like the starter is fried. I've had the same thing happen to me
> when I had a 429. Someone told me that the 429 exhaust manifold ran too
> close to the starter, and heats the starter excessively (particularly
> bad for warm engine restarts, cause the starter motor actually drags on
> the casing). I made a heat sheild out of a wire coat hanger and some
> sheet asbestos (yeah, this was a few years ago when asbestos didn't hurt
> anybody!). Anyways I never fried another starter on that engine. I
> subsequently did the same thing for my 351W w/headers. In both cases,
> my warm engine restarts improved, so I imagine that the starter life was
> increased as well.
> BTW - Does anyone have an idea for another good material for making a
> starter heat sheild (I can find sheet asbestos anymore, and I'm all
> out!).
>
> Jay
>
> > Daniel wrote:
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - MAJOR electrical problems...
> >
> > Well, once again I spent last night towing my truck home. This
> > time it was the final straw... I was towed home by a GMC Jimmy. Now,
> > before you all ostracize me for letting a GMC tow me home, tell me how to
> > fix my truck!! I was driving home and the truck just died... no power
> > ata ll. No power to the radio, the lights,nothing. Popped the hood and
> > saw all sorts of burned electrical tape and melted insulation. I replaced
> > all this stuff with a harness out of the bone yard; the harness was the
> > one connecting the alternator, starter solenoid, and voltage regulator.
> > Put it all back togther, turn the key, nada... The starter solenoid is
> > oscillating VERY quickly between being open and closed. I tried bypassing
> > the solenoid with a pair of screwdrivers (I know, really technical) and,
> > even though A LOT of sparks flew, the motor didn't turn over. Anybody out
> > ther got any ideas. I'm getting tired of having to drive around the puny
> > little four banger I'm stuck driving. Thanks in advance to those who
> > help...
>
> --
> "but, this one goes to eleven..."
> Jay Grover
> jgrover mbvlab.wpafb.af.mil
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:57:40 -0700
From: bertolina juno.com (NineteenSixtyFive F100)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - overheating status report

Re: problem with truck running hot:
Several weeks ago I reported that my truck was running hot with the temp
gauge needle often on the / just before the "H". This was despite new
thermostat, new water pump and flushing of the original small radiator.
I ended up ordering a 4 row, high efficiency V8 size radiator from US
Radiator. After waiting 5 + weeks and several phone calls, it finally
arrived and was put in the truck last night. I drove the truck around in
city traffic in the middle of the day today with the high having reached
104 today. This seems to have solved the problem. After the engine was
fully warmed up, the temp gauge needle was either midrange or on the "C"
side. Next summer will be the true test when I hope to get a new A/C
system. The new radiator may help the engine run cooler but those vinyl
seats still get awfully hot when it's 104 outside!
Re: problem with vapor lock type symptoms:
A few weeks ago I reported a problem with the engine losing power on
acceleration. I received many good suggestions from the list and the
problem appears to be solved. I changed both fuel filters, insulated the
fuel line from pump to carburetor and switched to using one of the
auxiliary gas tanks. My guess is that it was a fuel filter problem but
it could be a problem with the main tank. I'll probably switch back to
the main tank soon...wanted to rule out everything else first.
Thanks again for all your great suggestions.
Roberta in hot Tucson, AZ with rust free 1965 F-100, custom cab, 240 6
cyl, 3 speed manual.

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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:59:42 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: bellhousings

why not go for safety and use a scattershield?
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:02:06 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Atlanta Get-together in Sept at truck show

i live about 10 miles from the atlanta motor speed way.if anyone wants to look
at any of my junk while you're intown let me know.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:40:55 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Twin Traction beam

>:JUMPINFORD aol.com

>wants to get a mid 70's F-250. He wants a 4 wheel drive, but wants
>to go a different route. He wants to use the Twin Traction Beam front end
off
>the newer (80 and up) Trucks on it.

Sounds like Hell to me to ;-) Seriously though, why would you want to.
From what I have seen the TTB is an inferior setup for a 4X4. The old
straight axle Dana 44, etc. are much easier to maintain, upgrade and
swap/repair. Just look at the new Do*ges, what do they have? Beefy
straight axles. With the advancements in the past five or so years in
spring and lift tech you should be able to get a very good ride with
significant axle articulation. Now if you two want to do something really
trick, put a Dana 44 with the radius arms in the Back of the truck! That is
a way cool setup I saw on an awesome rock crawling Bronco. Just my .02

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