61-79-list-digest Sunday, August 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 417



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Slightly off topic, but not much
Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing problem??
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto Tranny's (was Auto vs. Manual)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Going south
FTE 61-79 - Re: Pat's sig
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap, FTDV2 #415
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats
FTE 61-79 - SMNats
Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it?
FTE 61-79 - RE: going south.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetics, good info :-)
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats
Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil
FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE:Mystery Solved-Disaster avoided Now Vacuum tuning
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil
RE: FTE 61-79 - modular engines
FTE 61-79 - 96 ranger, off topic, thanks
RE: FTE 61-79 - modular engines
FTE 61-79 - goodbye for now.
FTE 61-79 - 75 F100!
FTE 61-79 - Calling All Kentuckians

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:32:26 -0500
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Slightly off topic, but not much

only an automotive scanner can turn off the check engine light on that
particular vehicle.
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Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Slightly off topic, but not much




On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> Gang(s), I asked about the switch that resets the engine service
> light, where is it and how do you turn it off for a 96 ranger. Can
> someone point me in the right direction so I can make some
> points with my neighbor?
>
Gary, you need to pull the codes from the computer in that Ranger.
The code/s will tell you what is causing the MIL (Malfunction
Indicator Light) to come on. Fix the cause/s, and the light should go
out.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:02:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Timing problem??

Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: sammcgee scn.org (SCN User)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Timing problem??

> I've got a '77 F250 with a 460, an edelbrock perfomer manifold w/carter
> 750 carb on a 1.5" phenolic spacer. I just replaced the coil and control

Something the others didn't mention is a possible warped
manifold or carb base. I have this problem and temp has an
effect on the warp. I have to keep two diagonally opposing nuts
looser than the other two to ballance the base on the gasket to
keep it sealed. Since it doesn't have a power valve the only other
thing I can thing of is the accellerator pump. There are check
balls in there and if it gets hung up the system just sucks gas
through the inlet (did this on a Holley once, really floods)

I've seen integral base carbs with top plates get a loose fit and
cause this problem too but it usually went lean rather than rich as I
recall and if the carb is very old (mileage) the throttle shafts will
leak air and cause temp related and erratic mixture changes. Had
a lawn mower once that wouldn't even run due to that.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:08:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto Tranny's (was Auto vs. Manual)

From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto Tranny's (was Auto vs. Manual)
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:25:24 -0400

> Speaking of Automatic tranny's, what is the shift ranges for the various
> motors/tranny's? My 68 360/C6 2WD shifts into 2nd at 40, and 3rd at 70.
> Does this sound right?

Is that WOT? They all vary quite a bit but you can make it shift
exactly where you want with a few adjustments. C-6's are pretty
easy.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:36:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Going south

Date sent: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:17:11 -0400
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Going south

> you get the picture. Not that Florida or Arizona are human
> wrecking yards or anything, they're more like that grassy
> spot behind the garage.

or happy hunting ground? :-) My granddaddy farmed till he
dropped from a stroke at age 76, died a vegitable at age 81. My
dad is still doing essentially what he wants (but we keep him off
of ladders :-)) at age 77 and still lives in MI. If I go anywhere
when I retire it will be up north or out west not down south :-) I
can't stand the heat now, what the heck must it be like when you
REALLY are old. (I just pretend I'm old now but someday.......)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:48:05 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Pat's sig

>Jim noticed:

>'83 freakin 280ZX with a blown head gasket! Wanna trade, Jim?

>Just testing you to see if you read all this stuff:-) I threw it on
>there last night, remembering you complaining about having to work
>on your truck instead of your z.

Really, it is not a complaint, the real complaint is that I am working on
the truck so that it will be useful in rebuilding the retaining wall that
fell on the Z. I actually sort of enjoy working on the truck, and see the
illness starting - I am off this morning to pick up all the parts for the
power disc conversion, and just drug home a set of 390GT heads from 300
miles away.

>I'll trade your truck for my daughter's Z, 'course you'll have to talk her
into it first :-).

I bet you would.

>At 155k, I think I'll end up replacing a lot more than just a head gasket.
Hmmm, it is a 5 speed, no turbo, t-top, no rust :-)

Doing a head gasket on an L-series nissan is really no big shakes (other
than the tedium of getting all that ZX plumbing out of the way. It can be
done in an afternoon. The engines themselves are incredibly durable, and you
would probably be very safe in just changing the head gasket period. Popping
the head gasket at that age is normal, and usually results from a water pump
getting ready to go, so I would advise that, and flushing the cooling system
good. If you wish to e-mail me directly for further discussion of the
procedure, please feel free to, I have done it many a time, and with a
little talking through, it will zip right along. Also, you might like to
know that, yes, this IS an engine that has provisions for advancing the cam
to account for timing chain stretch. A little known feature that is better
than any magic engine fluid for restoring declining power and performance.

Jim


FTC: I'd rather be working on my truck!





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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:47:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap, FTDV2 #415

From: cdailey hhs.state.ne.us (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap, FTDV2 #415
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:24:53 GMT

> I was told that the 'stands' would stay the same, and I could use
> '69 302> mounts.

I don't have an older truck to look at but I understand the FE's
and 240's mount at the front and rear of the block rather than in
the center like the later engines and that the 240 --> 390 swap was
a bolt in except for the tranny flange. At some point in time there
were cross over years so the cross member was drilled for both
types of engine but the stanchions still have to be moved as I
understand it or you have to "add" the stanchions for the newer
engines, not sure.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:54:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:44:45 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

> One of the classic truck magazines did an article a year or so ago on
> putting a 85 Isuzu trooper gas tank into a 66 F-100.

The OEM pickup "Auxilliary" tank that mounts in the rear behind
the axle will fit most any pickup. Van's typically have them
mounted there too and the frame raila are the same width on them.
Untill recently all frame rails even large trucks and busses were
34". Now days they can be anything.

I'm running a 75 econoline rear tank in my 78 pickup and it's a
perfect fit with the exception of depth. I had to add 6" pipe
spacers and longer bolts to keep it from interfering with the bed
floor but it still is higher than the rear axle. An aux tank is thinner
and will easily fit in that location but you only get about 16 gal. I
believe mine is around 23 gal.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:57:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460

From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Date sent: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:54:04 EDT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460

> i ported a set of the 68 heads once, and found the casting to be thin, (i
> put a nice hole in it)

Are you saying that carefully smoothing the thermactor bumps
could result in a hole or are you talking about more radical
porting?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:42:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats

From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:25:54 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats

> 1 . has anyone heard of synthetic oil becomming what lokks like hard
> jello when water gets mixed with it. i talked to someone who was running
> synthetic and had a headgasket leak some water into the oil and he said

The worst thing next to sand you can put in a crank case is
coolant, not water. The Ethylene Glycol reacts with the oil and
makes it useless so you blow bearings and score cylinders very
quickly if there is any large amount getting in.

Pure water will "gell" or "foam" oil when mixed but will settle out
when stagnant so that it can be drained off, antifreeze will
"change" the nature of the oil and damage it and can not be
separated with no affect. I don't think synthetic had anything to
do with it but they could be more sensitive I suppose, not sure.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:06:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SMNats

> Bill Ballinger may have seen my 64 Galaxie 2-dr hardtop at the
> street
> machine nationals in DuQuoin earlier this year( maroon with a white top and
> Torq-thrust rims next to another red with white top 64, my bro's car with
> the
> 406 dual quad). Too bad I missed you!

You guys had a pair of cars! '61-'64 Galaxies forever! Did you have
any trouble getting the drool off them after I left? I wish I'd had a
chance to talk to you, when I circled back around, you guys were pulling
out. I took a picture, but as luck would have it, Wally-World
super-dooper lost them all. My son standing between the Miller Lite
girls (in fine swimsuits)for his 16th birthday picture is gone forever.

I was pleasantly surprised at the degree of non-Brand X participation.
Alot more Fords and M*pars this year it seemed. What did you think of
the 63 1/2 Hi-Riser Galaxie Super Stocker? I'd love to bring that one
home a 1/4 mile at a time!

I hope the blue-noses don't shut it down for next year.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:54:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it?

Forwarded for: "Gary, 78 BBB"

> 1985 F-150 ( I know, wrong list...)

Bill, s*bscribe to the "perf-list" and you can discuss any
performance topic on any vintage with glee :-) It's only for
performance discussions with the usual side trips on occasion :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:50:08 -0700
From: "Robert Harris"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: going south.

Its a western expression. When things got too hot for the "Bad" guys, they
went south of the border, down Mexico way.
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>
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:19:52 -0700
> From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Going South
>
> Everybody knows that when traveling north, one has to go uphill,
> it's UP on a map, right? and south is DOWN.
> Therefore going south is the same as going downhill,
> and things going downhill are getting worse, as in
> hitting rock bottom as the result of going too far downhill.
>
> Ouch, this much thinking hurts.
>
> Jeff
> '64 F100 CrewCab
> * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Gary writes: >>They still last quite a while but at some point they dry
> out and than go south unless you can replenish the grease.
>
> Anyone on this list tell me why we refer to anything that is going bad
> is
> referred to as going South????????? I'm from the deep South, and I do
> it
> also. Just never knew why.
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:54:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetics, good info :-)

Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:11:07 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - odds and ends - more odds than ends

> Now synthetics. Anything made by man that is not found in nature is
> synthetic. Nylon and plastic are an example. The big picture that people
> need to see and comprehend is that not all synthetics are the same. Just
> like there is more than one way to kill an animal, there is more than one
> way to make a synthetic oil.

This is not totally unexpected news :-)

>The man made copy of the natural oil is much stronger and more stable
> than the natural stuff. Hence, Mobil 1.

Never really paid attention to the base stock part of the equation but I will in
the future :-)

> Lets make a base oil from a polymer, which is plastic. So we have a
> "true" synthetic oil that is plastic based. What is the advantage? Super
> stability, high tolerances for heat and stress, and it doesn't wear out.

This is what Amsoil claims for their oil so I can illegally assume it's polymer
based or at least that may be what they want me to believe :-(

> What's the difference? The syntheic copy of mother nature's oil still
> breaks down.

Thank you very much for this info. We now have some criteria by which to
judge the oils and when I call Amsoil I will expect a direct answer as to the
base material of their product but for now I think I will be using Mobil1 since
it's cheaper and readily available :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:40:43 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats

anti-freeze will always ruin bearings. it was most likely the anti-freeze,
not the water. there is always water in the oil. everytime the engine
cools, water condenses inside the engine.

as for it turning to jello...

what brand sybnthetic oil? what brand anti freeze? did he run any
additives in oil, water, gas? what color was the oil afterwards? did he
cal the oil company? i would have!

sleddog

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From: NUTCH11 aol.com[SMTP:NUTCH11 aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 11:25 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats

couple of comments
1 . has anyone heard of synthetic oil becomming what lokks like hard
jello
when water gets mixed with it.
i talked to someone who was running synthetic and had a headgasket leak
some
water into the oil and he said you couldn't get the mixture out of the pan
except by scraping. i know this might be an unusual occurence , but the
guy
lost all the bearings crank etc because the oil wouldn't lube the motor
after
the water got into the pan. comments????
2. i feel that unless you are going to take an additive along with you .
you
should
have steel inserts put in your heads for valve seats. its good insurance
when
you have the engine down.

thanks

john
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:11:18 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats

this is why i run only water and a cheap anti-rust/lubricant in my pull truck.
sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 6:42 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: synthetic/hard seats


The worst thing next to sand you can put in a crank case is
coolant, not water. The Ethylene Glycol reacts with the oil and
makes it useless so you blow bearings and score cylinders very
quickly if there is any large amount getting in.


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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:12:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:56:14 -0700
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

> Well, I can't speak for the GM engines, but I know that the Ford modular
> V8 blocks are cast as V8's or V10's, not bolted together out of pieces.

My first impression years ago when they announced this concept was a v4
with additional v4's or v2's added on to make bigger engines but I talked to a
ford rep at the car show and he explained it as we said, utilization of parts
and equipment etc.. This is all fine and dandy but a small engine still has to
spin it's guts out to make power so will pay a price in longevity. At 2k rpm
that motor won't care what kind of valve train it has but at 5k it certainly will
make a dramatic differnce. The 415 V10 will be better than nothing and
should make some serious torque but it has to overcome two more cylinders
worth of friction so I suspect we will see a smoother, albeit weaker, version
of the 460/429 in this engine. Tech is cool but brute is cooler IMHO :-)

What I think is sad is that the 427 cammer was really powerful due to the fuel
we had back then and it could be optimized with higher compression. A
hypo 390 of 65 vintage on ave gas will out run and out perform even a police
460 of today and probably get better mileage in the process so OEM's are
playing with missing fingers so to speak, they don't have the right stuff to
work with to make a good engine so are going crazy with tech to try to make
up for it instead of addressing the problem correctly by making the engines
more efficient. I kind of compare this with what they've done with electric
motors........a 1 hp compressor motor today runs at 3600 rpm and stalls
more easily and requires more amperage than a 1 hp induction motor of 30
years ago which runs at 1750 rpm. I can attest to this personally. Since HP
is a function of speed you can make a weak motor spec out higher by
speeding it up but as soon as you drop it below a certain rpm threshold it
dies a sudden death.

I'm glad I only have 20-30 more years in this system so I'll not see the
demise of REAL engines :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:18:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:56:33 -0400

> ps-expect to pay about 50 bucks for 2.5 gallons at least.

I got the 0W30 racing oil which is more expensive. The standard 10W30 is
about $5.00/qt in the catalog but mine was more like $7.50. I believe the list
has convinced me that Mobil1 is adequate for my needs so I'll probably stick
to it from now on. Thanks for checking :-)

I'll be watching for sales on it and buy cases at a time like I do the Penzoil :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:49:14 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much

>On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
>> Gang(s), I asked about the switch that resets the engine service
>> light, where is it and how do you turn it off for a 96 ranger. Can
>> someone point me in the right direction so I can make some
>> points with my neighbor?

A little piece of black electricians tape will fix that right up...

lordjanusz juno.com

"The beatings will continue until morale improves..."

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:20:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much

Date sent: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:49:14 -0500
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)

> "The beatings will continue until morale improves..."

Sounds like a military concept.........:-) They used to call making the troops
hate the sergent or becoming so bored they were ready to go AWOL
"improving morale". Instead of having the mechanics tear a chopper down
and put it back together for training they had us painting yellow stripes in the
hangers..........or whacking weeds in 113 degree heat (Laughton, OK). We
slept in an open (all screened doors and windows) concrete barracks with no
fans or air and when a skunk got hit out front no body slept but we still
whacked weeds the next day....:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:18:36 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE:Mystery Solved-Disaster avoided Now Vacuum tuning

>I thought my spec book said 17 degrees for dwell on a 360?
>
>Ken
>
That sounds more like the point gap spec, which is .017".

Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:25:21 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: slightly off topic, but not much

You could pull the battery off and leave it sit for a while (20 min). This
clears the computer. But If that light comes back on it means there really is
a problem and not just a comp glitch.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:32:17 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil

gary, racing oil does not have the same additive package in it as regular
oil. beware. it really isn't good for street driven mild engines. BTDT
sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 8:18 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Longer WAS: oil
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:56:33 -0400

> ps-expect to pay about 50 bucks for 2.5 gallons at least.

I got the 0W30 racing oil which is more expensive. The standard 10W30 is
about $5.00/qt in the catalog but mine was more like $7.50. I believe the
list
has convinced me that Mobil1 is adequate for my needs so I'll probably
stick
to it from now on. Thanks for checking :-)

I'll be watching for sales on it and buy cases at a time like I do the
Penzoil :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:30:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 8:12 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

>This is all fine and dandy but a small engine still has to
>spin it's guts out to make power so will pay a price in longevity

i disagree.

>so are going crazy with tech to try to make
>up for it instead of addressing the problem correctly by making the
engines
>more efficient!

but, efficiency is exactly what they are improving. think, a 350cid today
is putting out more power, more easily, easier to drive, on "cheaper" gas,
with better gas mileage and better emissions and mechanical reliability
than it did in 1970. sure, it costs more to make it, but efficiancy is
higher. both chemically and mechanically. that is why roller cams are
used in new oem engines. that is why lighter weight oil is specified.
that is why compression ratios are lower (yet we still can make power with
it) and parts are lighter.

sure, for massive amounts of power like 750+, the older heavier blocks and
bigger parts may be more reliable, but i know of turbo V6 engines that make
more power than my 460 (that is more radical than anyone elses on these
list AFAIK) and are more streetable, stay cooler, get better mileage, etc.

the technology, both during the design period, and incorperated into the
product itself, is what makes it possible. for example, my dudge V10
(488cid) has "only" 300 hp factory rating, 425 #ft. but i can tow my pull
truck and all equipment with 87 octane fuel all day. and still have some
power when i need it. it idles, drives well, and does a much better job at
8-10 mpg (sometimes 6) than a 460 from 1970 would on 87 octane *from the
factory!* built yes, but not OEM!

sleddog



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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:36:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 96 ranger, off topic, thanks

Thanks for all the response. Since I don't have a reader and haven't (yet)
had any experience with the new stuff I'm nearly helpless here but I think I
have a handle on it now thanks to the "Gang" :-)

Guess I will be getting the 94 bird shop manuals so I can bone up on this
stuff :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:56:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - modular engines
Date sent: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:30:32 -0400

> make more power than my 460 (that is more radical than anyone elses on
> these list AFAIK) and are more streetable, stay cooler, get better
> mileage, etc.

I don't disagree with most of this but I have not seen any proof of better
economy AND power. What I've seen is a huge sacrifice in performance to
gain economy and any application that comes close to matching the
performance the old engines had also suffers the same economy fate. V-6's
that pull 4x4 trucks get 13 mpg, 460's that pull 4x4 trucks get 13 mpg, which
one do you want? For me this is a no brainer :-)

I had a spit fire with 70 cuin engine that got 31 mpg at 50mph. My birds get
close to that but I guarantee that the spit fire will hit 110 before the birds will
mainly due to the fact that they will stay in first gear waaaaayyyy past the
torque peak and well into the power down curve before shifting into second
and once the shift begins it will take several seconds in no mans land before
it actually starts to pull again etc. and there is NO "EASY" WAY TO FIX
IT!!. If we could still get 105 octane fuel legally I could build a 460 that
would get nearly that kind of mileage. Since it's a known fact that conifers
produce more NOx than all the cars on the planet lets cut down all the
christmas trees and forget all this polution stuff........:-)

See I don't look at things through the eyes of an earthly being, I look at what
I know COULD be done if there were no politics, no commercial special
interest groups and no greedy people on the earth. All I'm saying is that we
are being lied to and don't have any choice but to accept is as things stand
now. I just can't help myself.......I have to jump up and down once in a while
so I can go on with my miserable, imperfect life in this very imperfect world.
I'll be OK agian Monday :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:58:06 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - goodbye for now.

everyone,

i must say goodbye for now to this list. i have too little time, and too
much mail with all my mailing lists. i will still be on the Perf list so
you can find me there. i welcome all personal mail from anyone on these
list.

you have all been good to me. thanks Ken and peggy for making a home for
all of us ford truck enthusiasts around the world.

anyone following my pulling truck adventures with my '79 460 f350 you can
find me here, along with a link to my mailbox:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7273

plese take care everyone. later days. . . . . . .

sleddog

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 F100!

Just took the 75 F100 out for an extended trip to pick up the
garage doors. I happened to check the MPG and was surprised. I got
11.8 MPG at speeds up to and including 65-70 MPH. Not bad considering
I have a 360 with a huge cam (blame the previous owner!), Performer
intake, 750 vacuum Holley, stock single exhaust, C6, 3.50 gears and
30x9.50-15s.
The new garage should be closed in soon, now that I have the
doors. BTW I saved over $500 on the three 10x8 doors by shopping
around. I got the same brand (Raynor) much cheaper though a different
distributor than the local one. SHOP AROUND! I did have to drive to
Frederick, MD and back here to Lexingtom Park, MD...a 250 mile trip
but so what! Lexington Park is about 60 miles south of Wash DC and
Frederick is northwest of DC.
Anyone have a good 73-79 LWB pickup to sell in the MD-DC-VA area?
I'm looking for a decent truck...cab should have AC provisions, and
the frame/bed/cab should be relatively straight/solid. I'd prefer a
Custom model w/o all the trim. V8/AT/PS/AC please! F150 OK but an F250
would be nice! Of course that's the ideal situation....I'd entertain
all possibilites! It doesn't even have to run!

Later







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Lexington Park, Maryland

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