61-79-list-digest Friday, August 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 414



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Off Topic..CV joint and engine service switch???
FTE 61-79 - High speed broncos
FTE 61-79 - Re: OEM Tires WAS U-Joints - nonsequitor born thereof
FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 240 ci color
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460
FTE 61-79 - re:73 429
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460
FTE 61-79 - Going South
FTE 61-79 - Flat tops
FTE 61-79 - oil
FTE 61-79 - radiator
FTE 61-79 - clip groves
re:FTE 61-79 - 460
FTE 61-79 - brackets A/C
FTE 61-79 - SOHC
FTE 61-79 - Cheap '76
Re: FTE 61-79 - SOHC
FTE 61-79 - baling wire
Re: FTE 61-79 - Going South
Re: FTE 61-79 - Going South
FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
Re: FTE 61-79 - SOHC
FTE 61-79 - What it is?
FTE 61-79 - modular engines
FTE 61-79 - Texas saftey inspection - headlight aim
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - baling wire
Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
FTE 61-79 - Re: JP-5
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:56:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Off Topic..CV joint and engine service switch???

My neighbor has two problems and since she knows I have a nice shop set
up asked if I do work on other people's cars. I told her "friends and family"
but asked her what she needed anyway.

They lease a 96 ranger and the service engine light is on. Apparently there is
a switch that will turn this off??

Her son has a 90 plymouth sundance and just spent $200 for a $40 brake job
and was told the cv joint was bad on one axle. Do I even want to look at
this? Will the gears fall into the bottom of the case when I pull the axle ala 81
escourt?? I don't think I will do it but just curious.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:39:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - High speed broncos

Well since everyone's gone for the weekend I'll be talking to myself for two
days :-( Anyway, on my way to work today I came to realize there is
something the bronco doesn't do very well..........I know, hard to believe
but......it doesn't like abrupt pavement breaks or pot holes in the Eway at 75
mph :-( I'm really crushed. I thought it could handle anything. I mean you
guys told me that.......and I believed you :-( I feel violated, abused,
cheated.......Ok, so I knew some day I would find the limitations of the
venerable 78 but it has no dampers on it (still lying on the welding table
waiting for some lazy guy to make up the brackets), single shocks (lower
brackets on, still need upper brackets) and a loose steering shaft slip joint
and u joint so maybe with a little TLC we can get over those little bumps with
less trauma :-)

BTW, these are not little bumps they are large cracks in the concrete and
very poorly patched breaks with humps maybe 4-6" high in spots. There
were a few spots where the whole bronco was airborn for a few seconds and
a few like whoopdedoos where the bumps were close enough together that it
bounced me around pretty well. Sure got my attention. So anyway I'm
hoping RTC will let me have the discount on his new rain tires after the
wedding Sept 19 if I have any money left. I'm thinking 35's will soften the
edges of those humps a bit......whatdayathink? :-)

BTW, I have this vibration, sort of feels like my son's hospital bed with the
vibrator on at 75 mph and this whistling noise, fairly constant and some
rattles too all coming from all over the bronco and was just wondering if
anyone knows what it could be................just kidding........my cupped tires
really show their stuff at 75 mph, not just noise but vibration that came on so
sneakily it had me thinking lug nuts, whew, it's only nearly bald, cupped tires
:-) (pretty sure, but I'll double check tonight anyway :-)) Some day my
tranny input shaft is going to fall out and I really do need to order those dang
door and window seals.........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 06:34:43 -0500
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: OEM Tires WAS U-Joints - nonsequitor born thereof

>Pat Brown
>Sebastopol, California
>'70 F-250 Crew Cab FE360/T-18
>'87 Bronco II
>'94 T-bird
>'83 freakin 280ZX with a blown head gasket! Wanna trade, Jim?

Well, you, oh resident of CA, known as the land of Datsun ad infinitum no
rustus did use either of the magic words: Turbo or 5-speed. So, what are
you saying you wanna trade me to get it off your hands?

What was that mileage sign outside your city limits? Nashville - 2,483
miles?

Chuckle - - actually wonder how long that tag line has been there and I
hadn't caught it.

Jim Elliott



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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 08:01:12 -0500
From: jschanba admin.fsu.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1965 F-100 240 ci color

I still need information concerning the original color of the 1965
F-100 240 ci engine color as it came from the factory. I'm very sure
my engine was black and I have a friend with the same experience. I
need documentation for official judging. Thanks


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:41:16 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:
>
> the bucked teeth hilbilly's are the ones with the good stuff, 429 cj, 427 mr,
> 427 sohc,
> shelby mustangs and all the goodies some of would kill to have.
> i know of plenty of these real life situations. i know one guy that has
> an original
> cobra, a gt40, 69 boss 302 bud moore racer, a boss 429, a pantera, a 65
> shelby gt350, and only god knows what else. all of them are in rough cond,
> probably will never be restored, and you guessed it, they can't be bought
> either. this hermit won't even discuss it.
>

He won't live forever :-)

OX
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:40:35 -0500
From: Curtis Bussey
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:73 429

I have seen countless venders adds saying there is a difference
between lincoln and ford engines(429/460), but I haven't ever
seen any diff. I have 15 429/460's now, years ranging from 68-80,
and they all have the same motor mount bolt pattern. If a
difference exists, I haven't seen it.

Curtis B.
Curts Customs
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:40:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460

From: luxjo thecore.com
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:41:16 -0400
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460

> > cond, probably will never be restored, and you guessed it, they can't be
> > bought either. this hermit won't even discuss it.

I knew a guy like that the hoarded Harleys and parts. He had no running
water even though he lives in town, no sewer either, uses a 5 gal pail with a
toilet seat for a ..........has a keg of beer in his frige and nothing else (with a
tap out the side so he doensn't have to open the door)

He would sit and talk for hours about every stinking part he had lying out
there but no matter what you offered his price never seemed to solidify. He
must have had 50 frames a dozen complete and another 20 partials along
with all manner of engines and parts lying in piles out there in his back yard.



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:45:07 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Going South

Gary writes: >>They still last quite a while but at some point they dry
out and than go south unless you can replenish the grease.

Anyone on this list tell me why we refer to anything that is going bad is
referred to as going South????????? I'm from the deep South, and I do it
also. Just never knew why.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:59:55 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flat tops

James Elliott writes: >>Which 390's might be flat-tops?

All the GT's were, and and I had a '67 Galaxie that had a non GT and they
were flattops also. Come to think of it I don't think I ever saw a
car/pickup 390 that wasn't flattop. The large trucks that had the
391/361/331 (which is an FE) were dished, but I don't think any of the
small vehicle 390's were dished. Maybe I'm just too old to remember.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:49:56 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil

I am not disagreeing with the synthetic oil fans. (We've been there
before.) My own preference from years of experience is to use Havoline 30
wt from start to finish. When you assemble the engine, coat all of your new
parts with a good prelube. I prefer STP original formula Oil Treatment for
this. I have used this method on many an engine assembly with excellent
results. Remember, I live in the middle of Texas and don't get long cold
spells so I don't have a problem with oils getting thick.

Just my two cents and an option to synthetics.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI EAOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:57:32 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - radiator

I picked up my new radiator from HiLo yesterday. Funny how something can go
from back order to in the store in two days. And I didn't even let them
know I was mad. (Yes, mad is the right word. It can have sooo many
meanings.) Anyway, if it works as good as it looks I'll be tickled. SWMBO
even let me store it in the dining room. I will post specifics on brand,
installation quircks, etc. after installation is consumated.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI EAOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:04:37 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - clip groves

Gary writes: >>Aren't the grooves in the bearing cups?

No! The groves are in the yoke. Go to bed - Get some rest - your
thinking cap is tired.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:12:39 -0500
From: Curtis Bussey
Subject: re:FTE 61-79 - 460

ate: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:24:18 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460

Tony Morino writes: >>So, now I have a free running 460 and want
to learn
a little about it. Some buck-toothed hillbilly had it 'rigged
into his
truck and I'd be almost positive that it came out of a lincoln or
something
like that. The only numbers I could find on the heads was:

DOVE-C 35

Look on the rear of the block directly below the drivers side
head and
there you will find the P/N of the block. this will give you the
year
specific. I think the DOVE heads are the mediocre ones, but am
not sure of
this. Ones starting with C8 are the better ones if I remember
correctly.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

The DOVE-C heads are probably the 2nd best non cobrajet head
made, 2nd only to the D2OE-AB which is very rare. All heads from
70 back had the close to the same cc. If you want hp&trq, make
sure to use those heads. If you are lucky, you'll have the 70
block to match, but any block from 68-71 will be fine.

Curtis B.
Curts Customs
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:10:49 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brackets A/C

Bryan writes: >>I thought any 352 of similar year would work, but a
mustang guy said some of the
cars had a bracket that attached to the body of the car?

This guy is either pulling your leg, or he doesn't understand what you are
looking for. All A/C compressor brackets I've ever seen are attached to
the engine. The engine moves in relation to the body, so it can't possibly
be attached to the body. ( would be kinda hard to keep even tension on the
belt, now wouldn't it.)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:22:57 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SOHC

Bob writes: >>It meant the cam was on top of the head and the rockers
ran directly off the cam. No lifters or push rods.
Is this the same thing?

Single Over Head Cam. You are correct in that is on top of the head and
has no pushrods/lifters. In my opinion it is the sweetest engine I've ever
heard run. The only other engine that even comes close is the M*PAR HEMI.
Let me also add that I've never heard a Boss 429. The Boss 302 and 351
never "cranked my tractor".

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:29:08 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cheap '76

Ethan writes: >>The junk yard well only give me
$50 So if anyone needs any thing out of a 76 F250 XLT w/360 C6. let me
Know. EVERYTHING WORKS. Except the head on the passangers side is
sqrued up, and the ammeter is not working. cheap

Where you located Ethan????????? What color is the truck????????

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:33:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SOHC

>
>Single Over Head Cam. You are correct in that is on top of the head and
>has no pushrods/lifters. In my opinion it is the sweetest engine I've ever
>heard run. The only other engine that even comes close is the M*PAR HEMI.
>Let me also add that I've never heard a Boss 429. The Boss 302 and 351
>never "cranked my tractor".

I've never heard the SOHC run, but have heard some Hemi's and a 429 Boss or
two. The last boss I heard was defately one of the best sounding motors
I've ever heard, made the Hemi's sound like pussycats. Don't think it was
totally stock though ... some nice headers on it at the very least :)

Just my $.02
Bill


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:50:21 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - baling wire

Mike writes: >>Want a roll? Never seen twine used. All I have seen used
in south Texas is bailing wire.

Actually I was just joshing! I've learned to keep a roll of safety wire
around that is nearly as useful as baling wire, but the fact that you can
still get the baling wire baffles me. Our Coops and farm supply stores
quit carrying wire 20 years ago or more, when all the baler manufacturers
changed their machines from old block and wire tie to the self tie twine.
Do you have to have a man set on the baler and stuff the wire thru the
blocks and tie it off or do you use the wire on some sort of automatic
feed/tie baler??? I'm really interested in this. E-Mail me privately
AM14 Chrysler.com please since this is off FTE topic.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:55:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Going South

From: am14 chrysler.com
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:45:07 -0400
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Going South

> Gary writes: >>They still last quite a while but at some point they dry
> out and than go south unless you can replenish the grease.
>
> Anyone on this list tell me why we refer to anything that is going bad is
> referred to as going South????????? I'm from the deep South, and I do it
> also. Just never knew why.

I think it is a way of avoiding saying "going to hell" since south and hell are
both considered to be in a down direction. Sort of like "Crap" instead of
"Sh**" or "Darn" instead of "Damn" etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:07:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Going South

At 08:45 AM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Gary writes: >>They still last quite a while but at some point they dry
>out and than go south unless you can replenish the grease.
>
>Anyone on this list tell me why we refer to anything that is going bad is
>referred to as going South????????? I'm from the deep South, and I do it
>also. Just never knew why.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>

Perhaps it refers to Mexico?

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:09:07 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

I need to replace the rear main seal on my '78 F250 4x4 with a 460, I
know that either the transmission has to be removed, or the engine,
which is easier? Its got a 4 inch lift on it, so it would take a lot of
lifting to pull the engine..


cannandale



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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:14:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SOHC

At 08:33 AM 8/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Single Over Head Cam. You are correct in that is on top of the head and
>>has no pushrods/lifters. In my opinion it is the sweetest engine I've ever
>>heard run. The only other engine that even comes close is the M*PAR HEMI.
>>Let me also add that I've never heard a Boss 429. The Boss 302 and 351
>>never "cranked my tractor".
>
>I've never heard the SOHC run, but have heard some Hemi's and a 429 Boss or
>two. The last boss I heard was defately one of the best sounding motors
>I've ever heard, made the Hemi's sound like pussycats. Don't think it was
>totally stock though ... some nice headers on it at the very least :)
>
>Just my $.02
>Bill

The sound of a 427 SOHC is definately better. The one at the
Pigeon Forge show was nice! The crowd it gathered was incredible.




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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:28:44 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What it is?

Bought a motor & tran out of 74 3/4 from wrecking yard.

Was told it was a 390 but on receipt they had 360.

Intake has d4teo425824 stamped on rear top.

Tranny has 7301097 902 on top plate.

Anyone?

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:29:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

I haven't read all of the mail yet, so sorry if this is a repeat. A modular
engine means that the block is not cast in one piece like the traditional
cast iron V8s we all have. Instead, several pieces are cast, often from
different metals, machined and then bolted together with gaskets where the
modules mate. Often the water jacket and head(s) are aluminum with cast
iron sleeves for the pistons to run in. Cadillac started production using
this method in 1982 with the HT4100 V8. GM had several 4 cyl that used the
same technology in later years. They work fine for the initial consumer
most of the time. If you ever get it hot, replace it. If you ever take it
apart most people will never get it back together right. The GM motors have
to run stop leak additive in the cooling system or they leak like a sieve.

MHO: don't but one unless you buy it reasonable new and plan to trade it
off after a few low mileage years. The Ford engines aren't old enough to
have a track record yet AFAIK.

MHO on OHC: Fewer parts, cheaper to build. Everyone I know that has one of
any brand has had to or needed to replace the timing BELT (as in rubber)
after about 80K.

I have on my asbestos underwear after this post as I am sure opinions will
vary.

Planned obsolescence.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:46:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Texas saftey inspection - headlight aim

Thanks to all who helped on aiming my headlights.

I had to get it to the inspector quick so I didn't have time to do the headlights.
The truck passed anyway, and I asked the guy if they check the aim. He said
Texas didn't require it anymore.

I am still going to aim them myself though. Without a 'more power' conversion to
them, I need all the help I can get from 'em.

Just for those of you who are REALLY bored, I got to the inspection station at
6:15 am (dropping it off on the way to work ). As I drove up, I noticed my
speedometer wasn't working. Oops! I did NOT want to put this off anymore, so I
grabed a screw driver, pulled off the dash, connected the speedometer, and put
the dash back on while in the parking lot under a street light. Aye Caramba!
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:01:43 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

don't know where you live, but here where i live mobil 1 and amsoil is basically the same price. but i get amsoil at dealer price.

sleddog

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From: Mike Schwall[SMTP:mschwall texas.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 6:38 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

At 03:15 AM 8/20/98 , you wrote:
>Date sent: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:11:35 -0500
>From: Mike Schwall
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil
>
>> such as Mobil 1 (if you call Mobil 1 a true full synthetic oil). Then
>
>You knew you were going to get this question didn't you? Whatdayamean
>"If"?? I thought it was fully synthetic? Maybe that's why Amsoil is double
>the cost?
>-- Gary --

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to ask this. To make a long boring
technical discussion short, Mobil 1 uses a synthesized hydrocarbon base
(same hydrocarbon base used in regular dino oil, except it was made in a
lab not by nature). "True" synthetic oil uses a diester or polyester
(polymer) base. It's very hard to get technical information on what type
base synthetic manufacturers use. I emailed Mobil 1 and asked if they use
a synthesized hydrocarbon base or a diester base. Below is the reply:
__________
Mr. Schwall,

Thank you for contacting Mobil.

Synthetic motor oil is specially formulated using synthetic base stocks
- - polyalphaolefins and esters.

Polyalphaolefins (PAOs) are made by chemically knitting molecules of
ethylene (2 carbon molecules ) into carbon chains of uniform length and
shape. The PAOs are then combined with an ester (a compound formed from
the reaction of alcohol with certain acids). This results in a lubricant
that remains liquid and slippery under the widest possible range of
engine conditions.

If you have any additional questions, you may contact us at our E-mail
address: lubes ffx.mobil.com or by phone at 1-800-ASKMOBIL.
_________
What gets me is they don't say Mobil 1 uses this base or not, just
"synthetic motor oil..." On the Mobil 1 web site under the Mobil 1 motor
oil heading, they don't disclose the base used. Under the gear oil
heading, however, they disclose they use a synthesized hydrocarbon base.

The only true 100% synthetic diester/polyester (polymer) base oils that I
know of are from NEO, Torco, and Red Line (can be found on their web
sites). That is why they cost more (over $5 more) than regular off the
shelf Mobil 1, Castrol synthetic, Quaker State synthetic, etc. They use a
lower quality synthesized base to keep the cost down so consumers will buy
their "synthetic oil". It is in fact synthetic oil, I'm not saying it's
not, but the point is the quality and type of synthetic base.

I personally use Mobil 1 10W-30. I have no reason to pay the extra money
when I don't need the higher quality oil. I do have NEO 75W-90HD in my new
rear end (new bearings, 3.89:1 gears, and TruTrac), however. I will also
have it in my manual trans after I rebuild it.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:03:55 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - baling wire

heck, we got a few rolls laying around in the barn, and yep, holds everything
togethor...

cannandale

61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Mike writes: >> It's amazing what a little bailing wire and JB Weld will
> do in emergencies.
>
> Where in Gods earth did you find baling wire??? We've been on baling twine
> so long around here that baling wire is extinct. Wish I could find a roll
> of it. That stuff was used to hold everything together around the farm when
> I grew up.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:04:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - modular engines

>MHO on OHC: Fewer parts, cheaper to build. Everyone I know that has one of
>any brand has had to or needed to replace the timing BELT (as in rubber)
>after about 80K.
>
Sorry mr planned obsolesence, but the timing belt on mine is as metal as
yours ... mof the Cobra uses 4 chains. a little longer than the ones we
are used to, but I imagine still shorter than the 6' of chain on the SOHC
427 ...


Bill


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:14:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Date sent: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:01:43 -0400

> don't know where you live, but here where i live mobil 1 and amsoil is
> basically the same price. but i get amsoil at dealer price.

The info package said I could become a dealer but I never looked
into it. Can you briefly list the minimum requirments? and costs?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:25:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:09:07 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

> I need to replace the rear main seal on my '78 F250 4x4 with a 460, I know
> that either the transmission has to be removed, or the engine, which is
> easier? Its got a 4 inch lift on it, so it would take a lot of lifting to
> pull the engine..

If you just want to change it without grinding the crank you don't
need to pull either one. The 460's I've seen all have the rubber
seal which has a metal rod reinforcement in them so they can be
punched out with a polished, radiused punch by taking off the
pan, loosening all mains about 1/2 turn and removing the rear cap.
Be carefull not to scratch the crank with the punch and only use it
to get the seal loosened up, then rotate the crank while you use a
flexible (smooth, not sharp) pusher to help it around.

Putting the new one in is just the reverse. Since you will be under
the truck you have to be carefull not to get dirt in the bearings in
the process or loosen them in their beds if possible so no oil gets
behind the backs of the inserts. Oil insulates them from the cast
iron so heat can't be dissapated as well and also changes the
clearance.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:57:08 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

i get my cousin to get it for me at cost. he became a dealer and we all
take advantage of it - as we all agreed upon. he doesn't sell enough to
make much money, and it really is only to get the good price.
but there is some cost involved, and of course a minimum sales requirement,
that is not hard to meet.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 7:14 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Date sent: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:01:43 -0400

> don't know where you live, but here where i live mobil 1 and amsoil is
> basically the same price. but i get amsoil at dealer price.

The info package said I could become a dealer but I never looked
into it. Can you briefly list the minimum requirments? and costs?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:02:20 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

Well, I really dont know how many miles my engine has, it dosent burn any oil,
just leaks, and it came out of a '73 Lincoln. So, do you think that I should go
ahead and het the crank turned? Also, if I do get the crack turned, should I go
ahead and replace the front seal?

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:

> Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:09:07 -0500
> From: Cannandale
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
>
> > I need to replace the rear main seal on my '78 F250 4x4 with a 460, I know
> > that either the transmission has to be removed, or the engine, which is
> > easier? Its got a 4 inch lift on it, so it would take a lot of lifting to
> > pull the engine..
>
> If you just want to change it without grinding the crank you don't
> need to pull either one. The 460's I've seen all have the rubber
> seal which has a metal rod reinforcement in them so they can be
> punched out with a polished, radiused punch by taking off the
> pan, loosening all mains about 1/2 turn and removing the rear cap.
> Be carefull not to scratch the crank with the punch and only use it
> to get the seal loosened up, then rotate the crank while you use a
> flexible (smooth, not sharp) pusher to help it around.
>
> Putting the new one in is just the reverse. Since you will be under
> the truck you have to be carefull not to get dirt in the bearings in
> the process or loosen them in their beds if possible so no oil gets
> behind the backs of the inserts. Oil insulates them from the cast
> iron so heat can't be dissapated as well and also changes the
> clearance.
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
> -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:02:29 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

Well, I really dont know how many miles my engine has, it dosent burn any oil,
just leaks, and it came out of a '73 Lincoln. So, do you think that I should go
ahead and get the crank turned? Also, if I do get the crack turned, should I go
ahead and replace the front seal?

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

61-79-list ford-trucks.com wrote:


> Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:09:07 -0500
> From: Cannandale
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main
>
> > I need to replace the rear main seal on my '78 F250 4x4 with a 460, I know
> > that either the transmission has to be removed, or the engine, which is
> > easier? Its got a 4 inch lift on it, so it would take a lot of lifting to
> > pull the engine..
>
> If you just want to change it without grinding the crank you don't
> need to pull either one. The 460's I've seen all have the rubber
> seal which has a metal rod reinforcement in them so they can be
> punched out with a polished, radiused punch by taking off the
> pan, loosening all mains about 1/2 turn and removing the rear cap.
> Be carefull not to scratch the crank with the punch and only use it
> to get the seal loosened up, then rotate the crank while you use a
> flexible (smooth, not sharp) pusher to help it around.
>
> Putting the new one in is just the reverse. Since you will be under
> the truck you have to be carefull not to get dirt in the bearings in
> the process or loosen them in their beds if possible so no oil gets
> behind the backs of the inserts. Oil insulates them from the cast
> iron so heat can't be dissapated as well and also changes the
> clearance.
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
> -- Gary --
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>



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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:13:56 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil
Date sent: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:57:08 -0400

> i get my cousin to get it for me at cost. he became a dealer and we all
> take advantage of it - as we all agreed upon. he doesn't sell enough to
> make much money, and it really is only to get the good price. but there is
> some cost involved, and of course a minimum sales requirement, that is not
> hard to meet.

So........if I pay the shipping..............:-) Right now I only
maintain 2 that can use it but one day I'll build one with good
seals and then......:-) I actually want to get some ATF for the bird
and try it but hate to pay $7/qt. and will be changing the oil in the
two I have it in already but will go to Mobil1 if I can't get the price
down.

Seriously, can he get it cheaper and would it be worth his while to
drop ship or re-ship to me? This may be an opportunity for him
to make a few bucks, lets see......2000 X 2 vehicles per member
times .00 equals.....:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:28:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mobil 1 - Long WAS: oil

At 08:01 PM 8/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>don't know where you live, but here where i live mobil 1 and amsoil is
basically the same price. but i get amsoil at dealer price.
>
>sleddog
>

Has Amsoil gotten API certification on all their
oils yet? I know this has been a concern with
many on the newsgroups.

Ken


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: JP-5

John Miller wrote:
>JP5 and a rag and brush works wonders too :)

Just out of curiosity, where you gettin' JP-5? I may have it a bass
ackwards, but I thought this stuff was for SR-71's only.
- -Marv-

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:43:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:02:29 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Main

> Well, I really dont know how many miles my engine has, it dosent burn any
> oil, just leaks, and it came out of a '73 Lincoln. So, do you think that
> I should go ahead and get the crank turned? Also, if I do get the crack
> turned, should I go ahead and replace the front seal?....


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