61-79-list-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 402



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150
FTE 61-79 - Mystery Solved-Disaster avoided
Re: FTE 61-79 - Radiator overflow bottles
FTE 61-79 - 460s
FTE 61-79 - RE: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK LOCATION
FTE 61-79 - Steering column Question
FTE 61-79 - H*lp, Please
FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK ADDITION
FTE 61-79 - Funny noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:57:26 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150

John said;
>I tried beefing up the
>400 and it was a waste of money for my purposes.

Interesting comment, John. I'd be interested in hearing what else you did
to your 400, other than the carb and manifold. It might save me from
wasting allot of time and money on a 400 build.

later,
dale c
'79 351M


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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:25:47 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mystery Solved-Disaster avoided

I found out why my timing on my FE (with cam of still unknown origin)
had to be set at 25d BTDC initial, and where some of my engine noise is
coming from.

I pulled the (badly leaking) front cover this weekend and man what a
mess. It had the two piece fuel pump eccentric, but the tab wasn't in
the dowel hole, and they used some kind of cheap flat washer (what
happened to the stock hardened one is anyone's guess) to tighten the cam
bolt. The eccentric was really eccentric now. When I took hold of the
cam gear, you could move it back and forth a noticable amount, and of
course the front cover had a chewed ring around where the cam gear and
eccentric runs. I pulled a one piece one and hardened washer off of an
old dead 390 I had laying around and used it.

The timing problem, I don't really understand. I expected the cam to be
retarded, or off a tooth, but it wasn't. It was set to the advanced
keyway. (multi-index sprocket) I set it to the straight up one. Before
it had to be at 25 d initial, now it's at 12d, but I think it will
likely end up a little bit higher, since it isn't pinging, and it seeems
just a tad slow.

One thing I know is that straight up it is a good running engine,
retiming it's like taking off a choke chain, I'm really surprised at
how much more power it's making in mid range. The idle is a little
choppier but makes 16hg of vacuam at idle. I still have rattling wrist
pins and skirts, but over all the engine is considerably quieter. Still
has more blow-by than it should have, but man what power.

Thanks to everyone for following this thread and for your responses. I
never would of guessed advanced, the way it was running, but it is a
fairly hot cam for the application.


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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:17:09 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Radiator overflow bottles

>Anyone retrofit one of our trucks with an overflow bottle?

Yep, I put an overflow bottle on my '71F100/FE.
Works good, no problems, no leaks.

>After the thread
>on the benefits of lack of air in the cooling system I installed an
>aftermarked overflow bottle and burped the air out of the system. Shortly
>after that I noticed two things.
>1. There is a sticker on the radiator support specifing that there should be
>a clearance between the water level and the filler in the radiator. I
>believe this is because in this application there is no expansion tank.

With overflow tank, the rad should be completely full all the time.

>2. My heater started leaking. I'm pretty sure that there is a leak
>somewhere in the core and it will have to be replace. Seems funny though
>that it happened when I put the tank on and remove the air volume on top of
>the radiator.

Adding the coolant recovery bottle shouldn't blow out the heater core.
Sounds like it was on the verge of self-destruction to begin with.
Did You change the rad cap? Maybe the new cap opens at a little higher
PSI and finally killed off an already ailing heater core.



Steve
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:30:07 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460s

What kind of list would this be if we all had the same truck with the
same engine (460 of course)
same drivetrain etc.? I have a76 w/FE,my bro has 78 Bronco W/400 ,cousin
has 56 w/ 351C,
dad has 84 W/460, uncle has 64 w/ Y block .They are all bitchin' trucks
and wish I owned
all of them.

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:14:39 -0700
From: "The Zahns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES

In my 70 F350 I have had the same problem several times. I have put
wire down the tube and had the same experience as you. Clean sound and
no resistance. I think that there is something floating in my tank and
when the fuel gets low it sometimes gets near the inlet and clogs it up.
Either keep gas in the tank or get it flushed out. If you can't remove
the tube to inspect it because it is soldered in than you will have to
take it to a shop to have it removed and that would be a good time to
flush out the tank. Of course the cheapest way is to keep gas in the
tank.
FredZ

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:03:23 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150

Like I said, if slappin' a 4V on a 400 is the extent of your mechanical
imagination then by all means stick to swappin' in cubic inches. However if
you took the time to review the HR article you'd see that they massaged the
400 to produce 380 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque for less than $2K. Sorry,
ain't no $700 "built" 460 ever gonna get anywhere near those numbers.

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> From: John MacNamara
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150
> Date: Friday, August 14, 1998 9:13 PM
>
> Bill: I've done the 4 barrel swap on the 400 it didn't do didlly squat
> compared to buying a built 460 for $700 so been there done that. You
> can spemd all yo want building a 400 but it won't hold a candle to a
> 460.
> However, I've said before I use my truck for towing and their ain't no
> 400 that can tow it's weight compared to a 460. If you ain't towing
> then it's possible that you don't need a 460. I tried beefing up the
> 400 and it was a waste of money for my purposes.
>
>
> I've done two swaps from 400 to 460 and would never consider using a 400
> for anything but driving around town.
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:04:02 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> Like I said, if slappin' a 4V on a 400 is the extent of your mechanical
> imagination then by all means stick to swappin' in cubic inches. However if
> you took the time to review the HR article you'd see that they massaged the
> 400 to produce 380 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque for less than $2K. Sorry,
> ain't no $700 "built" 460 ever gonna get anywhere near those numbers.
>

For 2K I could have a supercharger on my Lightning and make those
numbers!
Chris
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:00:59 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150

Yep you probably could. The Lightning has a purpose built SVO factory hi po
motor. Comparing it to the 400 which was a smog dog from the beginning is
like comparing a Cobra to a Festiva.

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> From: Garr&Pam
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
> Date: Saturday, August 15, 1998 10:04 AM
>
> For 2K I could have a supercharger on my Lightning and make those
> numbers!
> Chris
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:59:43 EDT
From: BEANER12 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK LOCATION

Al, I have a 66 F 100 with the tank behind the seat and I have never smelled
gas! The one and only problem I had was when my gas gap rusted out a little
around the edges, gas would spill when I was making a sharp turn.


Eddie (Winter Haven Fla)
66 F100 Long bed
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:47:29 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering column Question

Hey Group,
I just picked up a 68 F-250 (2wd)that is in need of a steering
column..the truck has power steering will a column from a 73-79
2wd truck work???Or do I have to find the golden 67-72 One????\
Joe
68 F-100 4x4
68 F-250 4x2
70 F-250 4x4
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:41:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - H*lp, Please

Forward for: "John Auburger"


I am looking for a new steel replacement bed for my 77 F250 Longbed. Can
you please give me some info on where I can get one or who sells or makes
hem? I've been looking all over for one. Thank you very much in advance.
John



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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:31:20 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK ADDITION

> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:14:08 -0500
> From: shane
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65F100, Fuel Tank Location
>
> I looked for a year at all the salvage years hoping to find a gas tank
that could take the place of the seat tank on my '66. Finally, I have
found one. If you wish to install a tank between the frame rails and you
want to keep it all Ford, then look for a '85 Ranger pickup with the rear
auxiliary tank. The width is right to fit between the rails. I

Shane

Do you know what size tank it is...how many gallons it holds ? ? ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise

My truck just starting making this kind of funny rattling noise
lately. It sound slike two pieces of metal vibrating. At first I thought
it might be a loose exhaust clamp or hanger, but they are all in place.
It happens usually at around 30mph or when I floor the motor. IT also
seems to be most pronounced when I put the truck in reverse. I have a 77
Supercab with a 400 and an automatic. Anybody have any ideas? This is
really starting to bug me!! BTW, it also makes the noises when the truck
isn't working, so this rules out u-joints, right? Thanks.

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Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:19:31 -0400
From: Jim Freyburger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise

Daniel H Jenkins wrote:

> My truck just starting making this kind of funny rattling noise
> lately. It sound slike two pieces of metal vibrating.

Confused. You mean there not suppose to?

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:21:07 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise

Are the bolts for your bed tight? While your at it check all your sheet
metal. You also might look and see if there is something in the cab rattling
around. I also know that if the rubber mounts for the cab have rotted away
That can be pretty noisy. The possibilties are endless on an old truck,
especially if it has been used as a truck. Good luck on your search.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:52:40 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

Sleddog wrote:
>
> "free" horsepower!
>
> sleddog
>
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> From: am14 chrysler.com[SMTP:am14 chrysler.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 2:46 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps
>
> I've been told that in some cases the pistons are reversed on the rod to accomplish some
> different rod angle for some reason I can't remember.
>
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It changes the offset of the wrist pin, to give a different angle to the....

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