61-79-list-digest Friday, August 7 1998 Volume 02 : Number 395



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping
FTE 61-79 - what year 4x4 had FE's and Auto's???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Seat belts
FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!
FTE 61-79 - 66 AC compressor mounting bracket
Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!
FTE 61-79 - Axles
FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata
FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Axles
Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata
Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata
FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps
FTE 61-79 - Re: CHROME PLATING ON PLASTIC PARTS
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - Re: Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping
FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)
FTE 61-79 - Brake Parts
FTE 61-79 - PLUGGED PICKUP IN IN-CAB FORD PICKUP
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - SEAT BELT INSTALLATION
FTE 61-79 - MASTER CYL & SHOW COLORS
FTE 61-79 - Replacing floor panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - Replacing floor panels
Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250
FTE 61-79 - F-500
FTE 61-79 - Whiter whites, brighter brights
Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:13:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping

Date sent: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:21:59 -0400
From: Roy Pringle
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping

> On a 1979 F-250 4X4 what would u have to change to put a 460 in
> place of a 351 or 302??? Is it possible to put a AOD
> transmission behind the 460???

Anything's possible with enough money but AOD's don't have the big block
bell housing AFAIK. 351M's are an easy swap but 351W's will require a bit
more monkeying including different tranny. You will need after market
"swap" engine mounts, radiator, right side truck manifold or headers, van or
4x4 oil pan, tranny cross member may need to be moved and drive shaft
shortened depending on original engine and front springs may need
upgrading to handle the addional weight. You will also need to retain all the
460's accessory brackets and even the accessories themselve depending on
year etc..

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:22:59 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - what year 4x4 had FE's and Auto's???

Starting in What year Did ford Put an auto tranny behind a FE motor and
have 4 wheel
drive?????
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Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
Soon to be 390 FE powered!
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:25:07 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Seat belts

Mike,

My 71 F250 only has two lap belts in it, and I would also be interested
in the belts and shoulder straps if you find out anything.

Regards,
O.T.

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From: Mike and Colleen
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 11:58 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seat belts


>I just purchased a 1970 F-100 that has no seatbelts in it. I would
>really like to put 3 point belts in and was wondering if anyone here
>has done this, or has any good ideas. Thanks in advance.
>
>Mike Gast
>
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:51:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!

Greetings! I am glad to be back on the list after a 12 week absence.
School is starting up this week and life has been busy. Please indulge me
as I update everyone on the progress of my 71 4x4 resto. (Close your ears
if you don't want to hear about it)

When I left in late May, My frame had been taken to the sand blaster but no
work had begun. After spending a week in Gulf Shores Alabama checking out
the latest sun wear and eating seafood with momma and the kids, I went to
Ohio and West Virginia visiting family and friends and working in the hay
field for my brother. While in West Virginia, I got a wild hair and went
fishing in Ontario with my 2 brothers and dad (large mouth bass) I returned
home on July 3rd only to find a freshly blasted frame with 2 coats of
Eastwood Chasis black epoxy. I was impressed!

I replaced the C, track bar, and radius arm bushings (polyurethene) and
added a 2 inch spring lift to the front and a 1 inch lift to the rear. New
energy suspension bushings to the rear leaf sprongs and new stanless braided
brake hoses and fresh brake lines all around.
New drums and shoes will follow as we become closer to getting road ready.

Every body part is at the body man's house except for the cab and Box which
will be
taken as soon as I fix a small hole in the floor pan. (hopefully this
weekend?) It had the wide Ranger trim and all the trim holes have been
welded up to prevent body filler from breaking loose in a few years.
Instrument panel has been shipped off to have it rechromed and restored to
factory specs.

Slowly but surely, we are making headway. I hope to get it done by May for
Pigeon Forge.......now if I can get John Miller to journey to West tennessee
to help out while I am doing the football coaching duties this fall, I might
make the deadline. Some people have lots of time on their hands!! :)

I update as progress is made.


Marko, Tony Marino, Colorado Jeff, Daver M Block.....if you boys are
listening, send me a private email so I can get in touch.

Stu
Nuke GM!!!!!!
(oh that felt goooood!!)

Visit my homepage at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

Thanks Tony for the homepage!

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 AC compressor mounting bracket

I am buying an AC setup for my 66. The sellers dont know how Ford mounted AC
Compressors to the 352 engines. Anybody have any part numbers or
information? Even better, how about a bracket to sell? The AC people say it is a
Sanden Compressor, but there is a York to Sanden adapter so brackets for
either will be OK.


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!

> Greetings! I am glad to be back on the list after a 12 week absence.
> School is starting up this week and life has been busy. Please indulge me
> as I update everyone on the progress of my 71 4x4 resto. (Close your ears
> if you don't want to hear about it)
>

Welcome back Stu! The resto progress sounds good . . Gary has been a
little bored lately (something about us not typing enough for him),
Deacon has been really quiet, but we all know he's lurking out there
somewhere . . .

> Stu
> Nuke GM!!!!!!

Instead of carrying your byline, I think Deacon went out there and
started a strike. Looks like it worked pretty good!

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:03:09 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 12:03 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I'm Back!!


>Greetings! I am glad to be back on the list after a 12 week absence.
>School is starting up this week and life has been busy. Please indulge me
>as I update everyone on the progress of my 71 4x4 resto. (Close your ears
>if you don't want to hear about it)

>

Good to see you back, Stu. How did the spare tire holder fit?

Stoney

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:29:47 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Axles

Ox writes: >> I did pretty good this year. Got an extra T-18/NP205 for 125$
and 2 Dana 60 fronts for 400$

Thats a good deal. Got any more around for that price. I am in need of a
D60 or 70 front with a 3.73 gear!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:32:01 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata

John (bymybrick),

The proportioning valve is probably stuck, not allowing adequate fluid to
go to one axle or the other. From the sound of it, your front axle is
choked down. Not a good thing. I bought one from a wrecking yard. All of
the parts houses told me that they were not available because they never
break. I haven't put it in yet, but my rear brakes are the ones suffering
and my symptoms were slightly different from yours, but worse.

Gary,
Where did you get that after market valve and/or what brand is it?

My son's bowtie is illegal in NJ as it has 205s on the front and 215s on
the back. I plan to mix sizes in a similar fashion when I replace the truck
tires. All exposed exhaust components must be shielded? I don't think I
want to know. I feel a tirade coming on, but I'll suppress it.

I received my insurance check on Henry. A good chunk is on its way to JC
Witless for window channel, SS mirrors, etc. I'll try to get my door and
fender over the weekend. I am not going to miss those dents. The door looks
like it was hit with an asteroid. I am pretty tired of, "John, someone
dented your truck." I never did get to choke the insurance adjuster.........

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side, but not for long.
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The box said Windows98 or better, so I bought a
Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:46:39 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

Michael White writes: >> Is this a common practice to switch cap positions
(and reverse direction of arrow) in order to compensate for worn crankshaft
+ bearings? That is the reason for the "jumbled up caps" (2 sets of numbers
+ reversed arrows), isn't it?

The #'s on rod and caps are supposed to go toward the outside of the block.
The locks in the caps and the rods are always on the same side (they would
be on opposite sides if the caps were turned around on the rod). The arrows
(I assume the arrow on the piston) is always toward the front of engine. I
can't think of a good reason to do them any other way. I've been told that
in some cases the pistons are reversed on the rod to accomplish some
different rod angle for some reason I can't remember. I've seen a different
# stamped on rods and caps when they were from a different engine of the
same design/stroke/rodlength, but the original # was at least attempted to
be blurred/obliterated.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:56:12 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Axles

am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> Ox writes: >> I did pretty good this year. Got an extra T-18/NP205 for 125$
> and 2 Dana 60 fronts for 400$
>
> Thats a good deal. Got any more around for that price. I am in need of a
> D60 or 70 front with a 3.73 gear!!!!

They made a dana 70 front??? COOL!!!

It was a good deal, and of course I ended up selling one of them (the
better of the two) to the guy that went to pick them up with me for
350$. The other one only had a spindle on one side, but I only wanted it
for extra parts and for 50$, I couldn't go wrong. I'm thinking I should
have kept that extra dana 60 front, but I sold it to a good guy who runs
the Bronco internet group. Best I could probably do around here now
500$, but I know the guy has three of them. I passed up the best deal of
the year when I let a 78 F-350 supercab, 4WD, with AC and 75 grill get
away for 900$. Wasn't running and had no bed, but otherwise not too
bad.

OX
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:01:12 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata

John LaGrone wrote:

> My son's bowtie is illegal in NJ as it has 205s on the front and 215s on
> the back. I plan to mix sizes in a similar fashion when I replace the truck
> tires.

I don't think they would even notice, and with that small a tire, no
one would even look anyway.

> I feel a tirade coming on, but I'll suppress it.

No!, please, direct it straight to your local representative. Give em
hell.

OX
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:05:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata

Date sent: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:32:01 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes and other errata

> Gary,
> Where did you get that after market valve and/or what brand is it?

Not quite sure how it works but it's adjustable and is used by racers to
control braking front to rear and side to side. Some guys use two or three.
It's a Summit or wilwood brand and just goes into the rear circuit. Doesn't
interface with the front at all, one in and one out port with a spring device
and knob to adjust it. Think it was around $40 or so.

Now that I've sorted out my brakes I may put the original one back in to see
what kind of braking I can get. I have a feeling that this valve may be
contributing to the softness of my pedal but not sure so a test may be in
order :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:15:14 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs

On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, "Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:
> My regret is that the torque cam won't let the engine rev so in second gear
> I'm limited to about 75 or 80 mph which is not fast enough when some yo yo
> is trying to race you when you pass him. I have an unfortunate stubborn
> streak in me that won't allow someone to dictate to me how fast or slow I
> drive, that's for me to decide and if you get in my way I'll pass you or run
> you off the road depending on how low my blood sugar happens to be at the
> moment so my next build will have much more top end for sure. Won't use
> it much but it will be there if I need it. I will say that in the last 4 or 5 years
> driving 60 miles round trip 6-7 days per week I have only had this problem a
> few times but that was a few too many to suit me :-)

Well, the obvious answer is to grab the next gear...even though my
C-truck with 4bbl 350 and auto tranny runs out of breath at the top of
first and second gear. But when that beast shifts, it's a big kick in
the pants. My 2bbl '66 F250 with the 352 is even more so. Keep it in
the power band, in your case it's down low. Sheesh, my '53 Case tractor
only turns 1200 RPM on a 4 cyl 559 ci engine (5 1/2" stroke!) but has
the power to throw dirt from the plow a couple of furrows over.

Birken
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:33:58 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

"free" horsepower!

sleddog

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From: am14 chrysler.com[SMTP:am14 chrysler.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 2:46 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

I've been told that in some cases the pistons are reversed on the rod to accomplish some
different rod angle for some reason I can't remember.

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 17:49:41 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: CHROME PLATING ON PLASTIC PARTS

Mr G's phone number in Fort Worth 817-831-0638. He's been replating
chrome plastic for years. The main draw back is it will take several
weeks. Also check the services section in Hemmings Motor News. There
are usually 2-3 companies advertising plastic plating.

Ron Miller

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:28:52 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mixed rod caps

>Michael White writes: >> Is this a common practice to switch cap positions
>(and reverse direction of arrow) in order to compensate for worn crankshaft
>+ bearings? That is the reason for the "jumbled up caps" (2 sets of numbers
>+ reversed arrows), isn't it?
.........

>The #'s on rod and caps are supposed to go toward the outside of the block.
>The locks in the caps and the rods are always on the same side (they would
>be on opposite sides if the caps were turned around on the rod). The arrows
>(I assume the arrow on the piston) is always toward the front of engine. I
>can't think of a good reason to do them any other way. I've been told that
>in some cases the pistons are reversed on the rod to accomplish some
>different rod angle for some reason I can't remember. I've seen a different
># stamped on rods and caps when they were from a different engine of the
>same design/stroke/rodlength, but the original # was at least attempted to
>be blurred/obliterated.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
...........
>
>I've been told that in some cases the pistons are reversed on the rod to
>accomplish some
>different rod angle for some reason I can't remember.
>
sleddog
...........

BTW: the large set of numbers were tough to read and cast (I think), the
small set of numbers were stamped (and cristal clear).
The pistons were not reversed, it was only the 5 crankshaft caps that
were jumbled (except for #5, and maybe #1?). In order to reinstall the caps
with new bearings, they had to be in order #1 (front) through #5 (rear) with
all arrows facing forward. Only worn crankshaft bearings will allow you to
jumble up the caps. With worn bearings the small numbers could be used, but
with new bearings only the larger set of numbers would allow it to fit. I't
sounds logical to me that someone didn't want to replace the worn bearings,
so they rearranged the caps instead. I was wondering if this if a common
trick?

Michael
SLC, Utah




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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:54:49 -0500
From: "casper.ghost"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250

By road walked, I mean that you constantly have to move the steering wheel
to keep the truck on the road( more than normal). It is as if it tries to
follow every little grove or high spot in the road. When you let go of the
steering wheel, insted of staying fairly strait, it may go in any direction.

I've always heard this refered to, andobviously refered to it as walking the
road.

Keith
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From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250


>I would love to offer an opinion, but "road walked" is a term I don't
>understand. Please explain with a bit more detail.
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:58:47 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brakes

>Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:08:55 -0400
>From: bymybrick juno.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes
>
>I have a '73 F-250. The front disc brakes do not seem to be braking with
>the rear drums. In reverse braking on a dirt path, the back wheels will
>slide, but not the front. I have replace the master cylinder, bled all
>the lines, and everything seems to be in working order. I just do not
>have the stopping power that I should have, especially when pulling my
>boat. Could the problem be in the proportioning valve? As far as I can
>tell, that has never been changed.
>Thanks
>John
>Buy brick and save trees!
>

John,

My '74 F250 is similar in that the front and rear sometimes don't do the
same things on gravel or dirt but usually I notice my front locking and my
rear still rolling. I have had to pay a lot of attention to my front brakes
as I haul and pull a lot of load every day. My front calipers were not
sliding side to side as the pins were frozen. Hard to believe with all the
pressure the piston generates but the piston side pad went to the rivets
while I was inspecting the other side thinking all was fineWith only one pad
on each side to do the braking, stopping was pretty poor. Since then I have
really paid attention to see that the calipers slide freely, bought boots to
keep the pins clean and allow use of some lube without getting it
immediately contaminated. BTW, camper special so dual piston calipers,
YMMV.

Possibly not your problem but thought I would toss it out. IMHO if your
braking is poor with this rig, double check your front brakes. Even hauling
two tons or more and pulling two tons, I can stop ok with poor rear brakes
or without trailer brakes, but if the front brakes are not right I am really
in trouble.

Jim
in sunny Seattle



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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:59:13 -0500
From: "casper.ghost"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping

They didn't make an AOD for a 460 until the 80's. Talking to a transmission
shop, they say that a C6 AOD from a later model will work, but will not just
be a drop in. That is all I know. Wish I could tell you how much changing is
required, because I would like an AOD behind my 460 too.


Keith
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From: Roy Pringle
To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:20 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine swaping


>On a 1979 F-250 4X4 what would u have to change to put a 460 in
>place of a 351 or 302??? Is it possible to put a AOD
>transmission behind the 460???
>
>Da_Fixer
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:13:05 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)

Well group the 68 is getting ready to get the 390, I was looking at
the motor mounts( the metal towers that mount to the frame)that
the engine mounts to and noticed one is longer then the other...
The truck is a 4x4 and the 70 that I got these from was also a 4x4
Can somebody help me out and tell me which one goes on which side????
Thanks
Joe
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:50:28 -0500
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)

it doesn't matter which side they go on they should bolt right on.

kingster (390HO)





- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 8:34 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)


>Well group the 68 is getting ready to get the 390, I was looking at
>the motor mounts( the metal towers that mount to the frame)that
>the engine mounts to and noticed one is longer then the other...
>The truck is a 4x4 and the 70 that I got these from was also a 4x4
>Can somebody help me out and tell me which one goes on which side????
>Thanks
>Joe
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:05:58 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Parts

John,
I will be ready to pay you for the parts after the 15th of this month.
Let me know when you want a check and I will send it. We can make
arrangements to get them later.
Garry

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:08:16 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PLUGGED PICKUP IN IN-CAB FORD PICKUP

>
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 23:26:17 -0400
> From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: IN-CAB FUEL TANK PROBLEMS
>
>
pickup tube in an in-cab tank on 68-72's plugging up somehow>>>>
>
> (snippage)
>
> Jerry that may be me. Following is a copy of my post:
> Hope this helps
>
> Jon E. Purut
.......thanks Jon, it sure did. I wasn't sure how you cleaned the pickup
tube or whether you just fabricated a
new one. After you roto-rooted yours, did you get all the *stuff* out of
it or did you have to use a new pickup tube ?
Since there was some opinions on whether I may have a pin-hole in my tube
sucking air when the level gets real low , I was curious if you had your
old tube out if you found any pin-holes ? ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250

At 06:54 PM 6/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>By road walked, I mean that you constantly have to move the steering wheel
>to keep the truck on the road( more than normal). It is as if it tries to
>follow every little grove or high spot in the road. When you let go of the
>steering wheel, insted of staying fairly strait, it may go in any direction.
>
>I've always heard this refered to, andobviously refered to it as walking the
>road.
>
>Keith

The correct term is "wander" as in " Ah wander where it's gonna
go now..."

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!
and since most are listing all thier cars:
'72 Capri - Rockette's Toy, aka - SWMBO
'73 Capri - My Toy / Daily Driver
'73 MGB-GT Our Toy
'70 Torino GT My "New" Car


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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:37:31 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SEAT BELT INSTALLATION

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:51:40 -0400
> From: Mike and Colleen
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seat belts
>
> I just purchased a 1970 F-100 that has no seatbelts in it. I would
really like to put 3 point belts in and was wondering if anyone here has
done this, or has any good ideas. Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike Gast
>
I've done it before on my 69 F350..........promise not to laugh ? ? ? ?
actually done it 3 times. It seems when I run across a better set in the
boneyard, I can't say no to them.
If you have the recessed nut mounted in the cab pillar, you can install
shoulder harness type belts even ! I got my first set from a mid-size car
with shoulder belts. If you locate a used set from a car (or truck) that
the retractor mounts on the floor and the pivot mounts up high, make sure
the length of the shoulder portion is long enough to reach across you
sitting there and all the way to the seat crevice where the female portion
of the belt will be sitting. Keep in mind, your seats are probably sitting
higher that most car seats.
In fact, if I had it to do over again...and I probably will..... I would
mount the female part (the short belt) up off the floor a few inches so
that I could take advantage of the stiff plastic gizmo that it passes thru
the seat on almost all vehicles.
Back to the male (shoulder harness type) belt piece.
Not all belts are long enough to reach across you to the female part. (My
set #2) Although I didn't keep another set I tried this on , if you get a
set of the style where the retractor mounts on the pillar instead of the
floor, you can also mount the retractor unit up high instead of the floor
mount type. I didn't keep this setup because the 73-79 cabs (who use this
type) are shaped with a recess for the retractor and I had no way to cover
it up properly with a trim piece because I (and you) have no cab recess.
You may like it though. $20 bucks in a boneyard this Saturday should fix
you right up.
Good luck.
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:49:56 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - MASTER CYL & SHOW COLORS

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:21:56 -0400
> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Color
>
> Jerry writes: >>Hey Guys -
> > I hear what you are saying but...... what do the show trucks use as
a color or finish when they are being judged in a show? ( Is there such a
thing as a truck show ? ? ?)
>
> Personal taste I guess. I would try to keep it natural, and just a
couple of weeks ago I saw some paint that was "cast iron" color. Can't
remember the particulars, but I tried it on something (just a tad) and sure
enough it looked like new cast iron.

Thank you, thank you. You're right on. My CRS is acting up again. Just
found the stuff you may have been talking about in the Eastwood catalog.
Pg 9 - Spray Grey - protects cast iron parts and maintains their fresh
cast appearance.
>
> There are such things as truck shows. Pigeon Forge, for instance was
something to behold.
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.

I sure hope someone will let the list know when there is another. I found
out about it a week after you guys got back Bummer ! ! !
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)



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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Replacing floor panels

Well, the time has come to replace the "floor" that remains in my
truck. As much as I have been enjoying the extra air conditioning it
provides during the hot months, my dates do get a little irked when they
look down and see the ground slipping past at 65 mph. :( Anyway, the guy
who was supposed to replace them by welding them in keeps flaking out on
my. Is there any other really long-term way that I can fasten them in?
I've been thinking of screwing them in, but I don't like the idea of that
many screws poking through the floor. I've also thought about pop-rivets.
I'm still thinking about pop rivets. I would prefer to have them welded
in, though. What's a fair price to have a professional shop do it for me?
Thanks.

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Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 01:38:09 -0500
From: Jim and judi Windle
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Replacing floor panels

don't pop rivit, it pops pops and pops more.. worse job i ever did once. jim


At 08:26 PM 8/6/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, the time has come to replace the "floor" that remains in my
>truck. As much as I have been enjoying the extra air conditioning it
>provides during the hot months, my dates do get a little irked when they
>look down and see the ground slipping past at 65 mph. :( Anyway, the guy
>who was supposed to replace them by welding them in keeps flaking out on
>my. Is there any other really long-term way that I can fasten them in?
>I've been thinking of screwing them in, but I don't like the idea of that
>many screws poking through the floor. I've also thought about pop-rivets.
>I'm still thinking about pop rivets. I would prefer to have them welded
>in, though. What's a fair price to have a professional shop do it for me?
>Thanks.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Daniel H. JenkinsFood for thought: John Milton
>djenkins honors.unr.eduwrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
>Honors Programwife died he wrote _Paradise_
>University of Nevada, Reno_Regained_...
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:43:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs

Date sent: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:15:14 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs

> Well, the obvious answer is to grab the next gear...even though my

Yup and without letting off the gas too right? Problemis when the engine
runs out of air before the modulator wants to let it shift you have to let off
the gas and loose several seconds waiting for it to shift so you can gas it
again. Those seconds are precious when passing someone who wants to
play games.........:-( I know I can make some adjustments to aleviate that if it
were predictable but I haven't got around to it yet and the point I was mainly
making is that when I changed to the headers and did not upgrade the carb
jets I lost yet another 10 mph or so in second. Fact is, when the other guy
also has a 460 you need all the revs you can get.......:-) Yours has to be
better than his or he will cut you off which is the whole point in having the
460 in the first place.....no one can out run you :-)

I do not advocate racing on the highway but when a geek hangs you out to
dry while passing him you have to make a choice in a big hurry or cause an
accident.........back off and stay behind him no matter what games he wants
to play and let him dictate to you how you will go down the road or gas it
and cut him off (my preferance). When I see I'm out gunned I pull off the
road, get out of the truck and walk around a bit to let him get out of my way
and cool down. This has only happened a couple of times so it shouldn't be
a big issue but to me, but due to my impatience and stubborness it is
definitely a consideration in my next 460 build as is a good shift kit, maybe
one notch below the manual version :-)


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:46:18 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)

Date sent: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:13:05 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine mounts...(towers)

> the engine mounts to and noticed one is longer then the other...
> The truck is a 4x4 and the 70 that I got these from was also a 4x4
> Can somebody help me out and tell me which one goes on which side????

All ford engines are mounted off center to the passenger side which means
that you have a longer frame bracket on the driver side since the cross
members and frame rails are centerd usually

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:52:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250

Date sent: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:54:49 -0500
From: "casper.ghost"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 76 F250

> By road walked, I mean that you constantly have to move the steering wheel
> to keep the truck on the road( more than normal). It is as if it tries to
> follow every little grove or high spot in the road. When you let go of the
> steering wheel, insted of staying fairly strait, it may go in any
> direction.

If you have a 2wd then remove your tie rod ends from the wheel arms and
check the movement. If you can't move the wheel from lock to lock with
one hand tied behind your back you have a seized king pin. If it's 4wd it
could be an axle u joint or ball joint. Looseness usually won't cause wander
but will cause some monkeying when entering a turn etc. and a loss of
precision when maneuvering.

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:29:40 -0400
From: Mike Elmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-500

Hi,While vacationing in maine I spotted a 1969 f-500.The truck is in VGC
with 8,696 miles.Never been on the road.They are asking 3,000.00 for
it.It's located in Raymond just outside Portland on Rte 302w between
Hawthrone Rd. and the hilltop variety store.It is a flatbed with a
4spd,330ci.motor,no P/B or P/S.The phone#is (207)655-6087 ask for Stan.I
herd it run it purrs like a kitten.Good luck to any one interested.
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:46:34 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whiter whites, brighter brights

Steve,
I'm planning on doing the headlight wiring modification on my 76. I have
the solenoids mounted in the middle of the passenger side fender. I plan on
routing the wires for the driver side back to the firewall, across the
firewall on a wire hanger that is already there and down the driver's side
fender well to the headlight bucket (next to the OEM harness). My question
is that I measured this to require about 10 feet of wire. With this length
will I need to use 12 AWG or will 14 be sufficient?

TIA
Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:01:06 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs

>From: luxjo thecore.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block factory cam specs
>
> I have the Ford 78 truck shop manual and thats what
>they list?? The Hanes Ford truck manual I have lists
>the ".433" lift for a 78, 400 and the 79 351M/400. It lists
>the 78 351M as having the smaller cam. It's out now,
>so I guess I can mike it :-).

Yo OX:

Could be that the 351Ms used in '77-'78 trucks were from the same
production as the car engines. (I'm not sure about 400s.) The only truck
cam that I know for sure has the higher lift is the D9TZ-6250-A cam. Based
on its part number, the original application for that cam was 1979 truck
engines. Maybe the M-block "truck" cam wasn't used before 1979?

>I ended up getting the Crane Powermax with these specs
>
>adv dur dur .050 Gross lift RPM range
>
>260/272 204/216 .493/.524 1500-4500

That looks like a real nice low-end cam. I especially like the healthy
lift and moderate duration. It is pretty close to the Comp 255DEH cam
(203/216 0.050, 0.465/0.495 gross lift), but the Crane has much better....

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