61-79-list-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 390



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 351M to 352W???
Re: FTE 61-79 - whole sheebang
Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase
FTE 61-79 - tail light
FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM
FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals
FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts
FTE 61-79 - flywheels
FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location
FTE 61-79 - Front Discs
FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms
Re: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall
FTE 61-79 - 3.8 in What?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs
FTE 61-79 - Address correction
FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts
Re: FTE 61-79 - > I have a 66 F100 with a 240-6, and a 4 spd tranny-granny gear. I have the
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts
FTE 61-79 - Ford Manuel Owners
FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 for sale in CO
RE: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals
Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts
FTE 61-79 - Downsizing
FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod
Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals
FTE 61-79 - Front springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM
FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351C
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp
Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up
Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up
Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up

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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:23:10 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M to 352W???

- ->Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:31:24 -0700
- ->From: gpark cymer.com
- ->Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351W in place of 351M
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- ->Steve's buddies rebuild of the 351W got me wondering about swapping out
the
- ->351M for a 351W. I just can't get the hoo-poo's out of the M that I need.
- ->What's involved in making a 351W fit into my 77 F150? Will my C6 still
- ->bolt up?

Wrong way Feldman...
If your going to go to all the trouble to swap you should be going up in
inches
not sidewayz! 460 is the only way to go.
I'll not mention that the 400 is the simplest swap... no... not me:)
CS


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 01:20:29 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - whole sheebang

Yeah both doors, the hood and the grill are in good shape ! the grill is not
perfect, it has a small dent in the front tho..Hummm will the windshield fit
my 72' ?

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:29:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals

From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals
Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:46:21 -0700

> Man, I wouldn't put a crank in that was more than 0.010/0.010.
> >
> > Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground
> crankshaft
> > that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?...

Strength wise no but if the radiuses aren't right and the width of the journal
wasn't maintained it could cause premature bearing failure. When you install
it check side clearances very carefully where the bearing touches the radius in
the journals. If the radius is too large or allowed to creep inward the bearing
will interfere with it. There should be a slight amount of side play in all the
bearings on rods and mains without touching the radius. I don't know the
spec off hand but there is a spec on this which grinders are supposed to use.

The other factor is that with that much grinding the operator has to dress the
wheels more often so the posibility of non-cylindrical journals is increased
with that much grind, either out of parallel or non-straight surfaces like a
hump in the middle etc..

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:40:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase

From: am14 chrysler.com
Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:57:08 -0400
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3 Phase

> Steve writes: >> Too bad, I've got a nice 4000lb 3-phase chain hoist that
> would be real sweet for moving truck parts around the garage...
>
> Take that 3 phase down to your local large compressor rebuild place and
> work out a swap for a single phase 220V of sufficient hp. Should be able
> to do it. I did,

Then you need to build your own electrical plant in the back yard like me :-)
Single phase needs more power for the same work and turns the neighbors
lights out when it comes on............:-) Course it depends on the motor size.
A hoist may not need 7.5 HP :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:06:08 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tail light

Marc,
I had a similar problem on my 79. The ground wire inside the lamp socket
had broken, but would make contact sometime when the bulb was inserted and
the socket was in my hand. Then I would put it all back together and it
wouldn't work. I drilled a hole in the sides of the socket where the feed
wires are crimped to the socket pins. The hole needs to be big enough to
get a soldering gun/iron in. I soldered the wires onto the socket pins,
sealed the holes with household RTV and have had no further problems for
about six years.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:18:56 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall

Gary writes: >>Azie, did you see my post on this? The tubes work really
well :-

Yes, and I'd heard of this, but never tried the tubing. Sounds like a
graet idea. Now if I can just remember it when the next occasion
arises???????

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:28:44 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild

From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was 410 rebuild, Now 390 Rebuild
Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:44:50 -0600

> >Any reccomendations on machine work, what works or doesn't?

Not sure what you're looking for but when I build one I clean everything,
remove all plugs and covers and chamfer all holes and edges, inside and out
and deflash the inside so everything is smooth with no sharp edges anywhere
and retap ALL threaded holes in all the parts as I go. I use a die grinder to
do most of it and a file on straight edges like the deck or heads or manifolds
etc.. I hate it when my hand slides down the edge of the head or manifold an
basically does surgery on my skin :-( I deflash and deburr and radius to gain
strength and remove any potential crack sites. If you want to get real crazy
tap the large soph plug holes with 1-1/4 pipe tap and use screw in plugs to
gain strength and temperature eveness. I believe this helps the cylinders stay
round under stress a tad better but make sure they are in place (use anti-
seize) before honing the cylinders and use a honing plate in place of the
heads also when honing. I had a mill operator make my one out of 2" steel
bar stock.

Don't deck the block or heads unless you absolutely have to since it reduces
valve to piston clearance and don't align hone either since it loosens the
timing chain tension by bringing the crank closer to the cam. If the block has
moved enough to require these steps it will probably move some more and
undo it anyway.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:31:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM

From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM
Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:02:28 -0400

> Without checking the complete inventory of the parts houses tomorrow, is
> there a quick and easy way to get some hoses that fit? ? Is there any
> application that uses odd sized inlet and outlets with a 4-core ? Jerry

Try looking at the universal flex ones. They come with two different size
ends. Some OEM ones do too but don't have a clue how to determine this
with out a data base search and usually than info isn't in the data anyway.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:35:54 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals

Colorado Jeff writes: >>Does anyone feel that there would be a problem
with a newly-ground crankshaft that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under
(rod)?...

I, too, have never seen this much undersize in an automotive crankshaft.

It all depends on what you are going to do with the engine and what family
engine it is. If I intended it to ever see any extreme duties, I would
avoid it. If it was just going to be a daily driver that will never see
any significant loads or high rpm's, then I might be OK with it. I've
always set my standards on .010/.010, but I mistreat engines quite often.
I often times put 6 tons on a 1 ton (F-350) flatbed, so you can see I don't
pay a lot of attention to GVW ratings either.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 06:41:30 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts

Hello: Does anyone have a manual on the 427 SO that would contain the
torque specs for the cross-bolts for the cranks. My machinists thinks
they should be torqued to 45 ft-lbs but he's not sure. I believe the
Pat Ganahl book would have this information.

Thanks

John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:50:47 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flywheels

Ox writes : >>I'm still waiting on a friend to check part numbers and see
if 351M man trans flywheel is the same as 460 man trans flywheel.

Been there - done that !! They aren't the same. Crankshaft bolt pattern
circle is different. 460 is same pattern as FE 360/390 and both series use
a neutral balance. I believe the 351M/400 uses the 302/351W pattern on the
crankshaft to flywheel location.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:07:38 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location

Jeff Grant writes: >>hi Azie,
from your post i've seen you seem to be a diehard Ford nut, what kind of
goodies do you have laying around? where is ardmore ,al?
just curious

Haven't got too many "goodies" laying around. I have a lot of what my wife
refers to as "junk" and sometimes when she is a bit milder she refers to it
as "clutter". I have a 40'X60' with 14' clear span shop building that is
literally full of "stuff". And the wife is correct in that some aspects of
it are junk. I'm a pack rat. If I ever have anything that might be useful
in another application - ever -, then I keep it. Just my nature.

Yes I love old FOMOCO vehicles. I grew up driving Fords, but I now drive
M*PARS, because they furnish me a living (I work for Chrysler Corp), and I
would not think it ethical to drive anything else.

I have just finished one '79 F-350 4X4 frame off restoration, and am in the
process of doing two '77's now. All will have 460's.

Ardmore is located on the Tennessee Stateline 2 miles East of I-65.

Come on over.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:25 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs

Hey Bill,

What is "recirculating ball steering"....

I have the 76 F-250 4x4 HD (external locking hubs) stuff on my F-100 and it
has the dual-piston disc brakes.....

I was surprised to see that someone had a 75' axle with closed knuckles, if
I'm understanding the term correctly. Isn't closed knuckles the type where if
you look at it, the axle U-joint is all "enclosed" with the metal "ball"....If
this is correct, then I know as early as 74, the F-100 4x4's had open
knuckles.....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:20 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms

Hey, let me add "Plan B", if we are talking about an F-100 or F-150 4x4 or
Bronco. If he's looking to replace the rear bushings, how about just removing
the nuts from the arms, and use a come-along from the axle to the front
bumper? You just need to pull forward enough to slide on the new bushings. We
just did this recently with a 77, and it worked great...just do one side at a
time. He'll probably need to remove the bolt for the upper mount of the track
bar, but I would rather do this than cut those rivets (which, by the way, I
did a long time ago in order to replace the brackets).....

If we aren't taking about a 4x4....my mistake!

Colorado Jeff


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:20:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall

From: am14 chrysler.com
Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:18:56 -0400
Subject: FTE 61-79 - crank reinstall

> Yes, and I'd heard of this, but never tried the tubing. Sounds like a
> graet idea. Now if I can just remember it when the next occasion
> arises???????

Just make sure you use "Vac" line not gas line. Gas line it too think and
won't pass the journals. guess how I know after cutting up 16 little
pieces......:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:06:27 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3.8 in What?

> Explorers with 3.8s? 3.0 yes, 4.0 yes, 5.0 yes, 3.8 I don't think so. BTW
> Ford does have a recall for replacing head gaskets on the 3.8s in
> Windstars. So regardless of mileage there wouldn't be any charge.

I was speaking of the 3.8 aluminum headed Mustang.
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Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:13:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms

From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:20 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radius Arms

> Hey, let me add "Plan B", if we are talking about an F-100 or F-150 4x4 or
> Bronco. If he's looking to replace the rear bushings, how about just
> removing the nuts from the arms, and use a come-along from the axle to the
> front bumper?

They're working on a TTB type and they don't have enough room to do that
like on our illustrious 78/79's with live axles :-) Man! We get all the perks :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:15:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs

From: BDIJXS aol.com
Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:41:25 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Discs

> What is "recirculating ball steering"....

They all have recirculating balls but I think he meant the integral type power
steering box rather than the hydrualic drag link type. Do you really want a
description of how it works?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:22:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Address correction

It hasn't happened in a while till today but there's a guy at ford with the
address GPETERS who's getting tired of forwarding my mail :-( Make sure
you put the "3" on the end when mailing me direct or it will go to him, please
:-)

I hope he isn't involved with systems or higher management because the mail
is not ford business related and could cause some flak.

My address is GPETERS3 and is used for profs mail as well. Apparently
the other peters is not on the email system and the network automatically
diverts it to profs. Once I have a truck list address I may change my handle
so this doesn't happen but meanwhile please take note :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:27:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions

Ken is the invioce going to be all we need to send the money? Who gets to
help all us neophytes with our web page? :-) Gosh, here I am an old man
and learning yet a new trick :-)

Hey, I'll get Deacon.........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:41:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts

>Hello: Does anyone have a manual on the 427 SO that would contain the
>torque specs for the cross-bolts for the cranks. My machinists thinks
>they should be torqued to 45 ft-lbs but he's not sure. I believe the
>Pat Ganahl book would have this information.
>
>Thanks
>
>John MacNamara


According to a gen-u-ine Ford shop manual for a '67 Galaxie, the
427 cross bolts all get torqued to 20 ft lbs first, then pull them
up to a final of 40 ft lbs.


Steve
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:11:04 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - > I have a 66 F100 with a 240-6, and a 4 spd tranny-granny gear. I have the

snip

>
>Just wondering if other list members that still have a 240 six in their
>trucks and live in a climate where temps exceed 90 degrees experience
>vapor lock type problems? Is the desire for more power one of the main
>reasons for xchging this engine?

Yes. I like the 240 alot, it has served my Dad and myself very well over
the last 22 years, but when driving this truck on the freeways and through
the mountains of AZ, it is a little under powered and I don't always feel
as safe as I would like to. A 390 should help both of these situations
out, along with disk brakes and several other safety modifications that
need to be made to the truck.

>The 240 six in my truck still has good compression and I would like to get
alot more use out of it before
>thinking about swapping engines.

My truck only has 100,000 Miles on it, but I still have to wonder how much
longer it will continue to run well on unleaded gas since it doesn't have
hardened valve seats. I have noticed a slight change in the way the
engine idles and runs over that past 20,000 miles. I used to be able to get
the truck to idle very smoothly, but I can't get it to do that anymore.

>I've even gotten used to the 3 speed
>manual transmission...1st manual I've ever driven!
>
>Roberta in Tucson AZ with 1965 F-100 custom cab long bed w/240 six and no
>rust in sight in this hot dry place,

Keith Srb
1966 F-100 Short box, Style side, 240 I-6, Warner T-18 4-Speed.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:09:17 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts

Hey John, do You want the torque sequence and crossbolt
spacer locations too...?
Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/FE/crosbolt.jpg


Steve
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:01:38 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Manuel Owners

Hi

Do anyone have a manuel that could contain transmission and differential

type using the serial id for a 1974 F350?

Serial Id 32 TN F 377 E 8 A 27J 52

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Larry


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:32:22 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100 for sale in CO

Yo Gang:

Last night as I pulled into the driveway at home, I noticed across the
street that my neighbor's '66 F100 had a For Sale sign in the window. It
seems he was going to give the truck to his son (15 yr old), but they've
found a '65 F250 they want instead.

Thought I'd pass along the specifics in case anyone on the list is
interested. BTW, the truck is located in Louisville, CO, about 20 miles
north of Denver.

1966 F100, Custom Cab, Camper Special
8' Styleside bed w/ pass. side toolbox,
Dual saddle tanks (sorry about the sheet metal)
352 FE, all stock, NP435 tranny, Dana 60-2 semi-floating rear end
Blue/white two-tone paint, original and decent
Dual exhaust, white spoke wheels, brand new tires
Normal rust and dings for a 32 yr old truck, no major rot
Spare front clip available

Data plate contents:
VIN F10YK858036
WB 129
Color WM
Body B81
Trans A
Axle A9
GVW 5000
HP 172 4000
DSO 51

He's asking $1500 for the truck, $1800 for the truck and spare front clip.
Send me private email if you're interested.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:44:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals

ok, undersize crank journals are not always a problem. the 460 for example
cam from ford with so mnuch extra meat it is probobly the most popular
crank for offset grinding.

Ford made them with 3 inch mins and 2.5 inch rod journals. many of these
cranks get offset ground to a 2.200 inch or 2.100 inch rod journal and
sometimes down to a 2.75" main.

my new crank is offset ground. i sure hope it can take it! and it will
take the abuse and punishment of more power and more rpms than most 460's
ever will. so basically, if they sell bearings for .020 under rod, no
problem IMHO. as for the mains, i would feel secure also with .040 under.
but i would make sure that the dampener is in good shape.

remember, OEM products are built to be abused, and cranks were designed to
be reground a few times. there is extra material there.

some more than others, chebby makes much weaker cranks. and the FE i am
not sure bout.

sleddog

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From: am14 chrysler.com[SMTP:am14 chrysler.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:35 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Undersized Crank journals

Colorado Jeff writes: >>Does anyone feel that there would be a problem
with a newly-ground crankshaft that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under
(rod)?...

I, too, have never seen this much undersize in an automotive crankshaft.

It all depends on what you are going to do with the engine and what family
engine it is. If I intended it to ever see any extreme duties, I would
avoid it. If it was just going to be a daily driver that will never see
any significant loads or high rpm's, then I might be OK with it. I've
always set my standards on .010/.010, but I mistreat engines quite often.
I often times put 6 tons on a 1 ton (F-350) flatbed, so you can see I don't
pay a lot of attention to GVW ratings either.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:01:56 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 427 Cross-bolts

Steve: Sure, I think he already has the spacers installed but I'll
take in case there is some confusion.

Thanks
John

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> Hey John, do You want the torque sequence and crossbolt
> spacer locations too...?
> Go here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/FE/crosbolt.jpg
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:00:33 -0500
From: "Tim Nordskog"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Downsizing

Hi everyone,

The 302 in my 73 F100 2x auto just died and I have a good 240 3-speed in a
rusty, semi-retired 70 F100 I was thinking about using in the 73.
I would like to stick with the automatic. I think the 240 should bolt to
the auto just fine, and the motor mounts should be easy, but what about the
flywheel from the 302? Will it bolt to the crank of the 240 and still give
acceptable end clearance? Or maybe it's just easier to use the
3-speed.......

Thanks,
Tim Nordskog

73 F100 302
70 F100 240




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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:40:40 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod

Just got this month's issue of Hot Rod. They feature a buildup on a 400M.
468 lb-ft, 380 Hp and less than $2000. I haven't read all of the article
yet but at the begining it describes how this engine family never had a
chance performance wise. Basically born in the smog age, limited to 8.0:1
compression and using early (stone age) emissions technology. No wonder
this engine got a bad rap. All of you M-block devotees may want to check
this out. It looks like a really sane buildup for the street. Not a high
rpm screamer it made 380 lb-ft at 2000 rpm and over 450 at 4400.

Tom H.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:15:35 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400M in Hot Rod

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:40:40 -0700, you wrote:

>Just got this month's issue of Hot Rod. They feature a buildup on a =
400M.
>468 lb-ft, 380 Hp and less than $2000.=20
snip
ooh, that's for me, thanks for the pointer.
Rob
'78 F250 4x4 400M C6

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:50:04 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:
>
> From: "Bill Beyer"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - crank journals
> Date sent: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:46:21 -0700
>
> > Man, I wouldn't put a crank in that was more than 0.010/0.010.
> > >
> > > Does anyone feel that there would be a problem with a newly-ground
> > crankshaft
> > > that is 0.040" under (main) and 0.020" under (rod)?...
>
> Strength wise no but if the radiuses aren't right and the width of the journal
> wasn't maintained it could cause premature bearing failure. When you install
> it check side clearances very carefully where the bearing touches the radius in
> the journals. If the radius is too large or allowed to creep inward the bearing
> will interfere with it. There should be a slight amount of side play in all the
> bearings on rods and mains without touching the radius. I don't know the
> spec off hand but there is a spec on this which grinders are supposed to use.
>
> The other factor is that with that much grinding the operator has to dress the
> wheels more often so the posibility of non-cylindrical journals is increased
> with that much grind, either out of parallel or non-straight surfaces like a
> hump in the middle etc..
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
> -- Gary --
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Standard procedure is to dress the wheel .0005" to .001" from size,
regardless of how much was ground off. The only way to be sure is to
mic it yourself, which is not a bad idea, as I have seen some pretty
shoddy machining even in the aerospace machining business!

Blaine
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:59:27 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front springs

Hey guys, how's everybody doin'?
I pulled the front end apart on my '68 F-100 today. This is my only day off
this week, so I'll take them to the shop Monday or Tuesday to have the new
kingpins put in.
The coils are pretty saggy and wore out, and unless a new set is under $20 I
can't afford them.
I have the front end off an E-350 laying around and was thinking of using
the springs from it. I think those springs are a bit longer than the 1/2
ton springs.
Have any of you done anything like this? Am I barking up the wrong tree? How
do I figure out how many coils to cut off the big springs to get the proper
ride hight?

Any help will be greatly appreciated



Kerry


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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:27:36 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front springs

I don't know exactly what will happen to your truck but I did something
similar and I am happy to share the results.

My brother has an 84 F-150 and we decided to do a lift on it. We used the
coils from an 81 E-250 and it raised the truck 2 3/4 inches. I'd assume that
using the 350 coils on your would raise it about 3 to 3 1/2 inches. It did a
great job of leveling the truck, but we had to have the I-beams bent because
it created too much negative camber. That cost about $25 per side plus 50 for
the reg alignment.
Good luck to you and I hope it works well.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:21:45 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATOR HOSE PROBLEM

In a message dated 7/29/98 10:10:59 PM Central Daylight Time,
jerryrepka unidial.com writes:


application that uses odd sized inlet and outlets with a 4-core ? >>

Yes! My 66 F100 4x4 352 has a different size at each end of the upper hose.
No problem. I just went to Trak Auto and picked a hose off their "universal"
rack. Hoses ARE made with different sized ends.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:21:54 -0700
From: Tim Sherva
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp

I'm looking at a 4sp top loader a guy has for sale
cast iron case
coarse spline input shaft ( badly in need of front bearing )
my question is, If I looking for a 4sp is this
the real deal or is this really a dog in disguise

Tim Sherva
tsherva aus-etc.com
66 f100

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:29:08 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351C

not all 351 c 4v were 4 bolt
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:34:14 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location

i may stop in to see ya sometime, when i'm working that area. i would love to
have a
76-79 f350 but until it comes along i'll have to stick with my 78 f150 4x4,i
too am a
ford nut dealing mostly in mustangs until my interest in 4x4
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:41:19 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp

the top loader is as good as it gets,be careful about buying parts they can
get rather expensive, shop around for the best deal on parts. i have a
toploader out of a 69 mach 1 mustang for sale,what engine are you putting it
behind? the big block has a different length input shaft than a small block.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:45:26 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts and location

didn't finish my last post.
even though i'm a ford person i have a gmc 2500 suburb 4x4, 1968 jeep m715
military truck, 1968 m725 military ambulance, and a 69 mach 1. and am looking
at a 78 f250 4x4 with 72000 original miles.wish i could find a crew cab or a
super cab 4x4

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:29:35 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Top Loader 4sp

I just went through all that and bot a toploader, what are the marking on the
case, you know I was told by a tranny shop that cast Iron was probably in a
van.

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:09:45 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up

From: Gary
>Ken is the invioce going to be all we need to send the money? Who gets
to
>help all us neophytes with our web page? :-) Gosh, here I am an old
man
>and learning yet a new trick :-)
>
>Hey, I'll get Deacon.........:-)

Any way I can help Bro, just let me know. I've been learning how to
drive a 4000 gal. KW water truck. It's hard work, long hours and I'm
away from home a lot but it's good money. Staying in motels sucks so I'm
going to start taking my laptop with me. This way in the evenings I'll
have something better to do than sit in a coffee shop. :) I wanted to
work with computers but I can't sit behind a desk very long. Like the
song says

When I get to heaven
Tie me to a tree
Or soon I'll start a wonderin'
And you know where I'll be!

I just tuned up my '73 F100 302. I used Accel Extreme 9000 spark
plug wires. Their 8mm wires with a heat reflective coating that protects
them from the heat coming off the headers and I used a set of Autolite
platinums. Plus I replaced the cap and rotor. This being the most
expensive ignition tune up I've done to my truck, all I can say is I'm
not impressed. As a matter of fact my truck is harder to start. It runs
good but not any better than it does using cheaper wires and Autolite
resistor plugs. So what's up with that Homey's? If a friend hadn't given
me the wires because they were the wrong ones for his Mustang and they
wouldn't exchange them at the store he bought them, I think I'd be a
little pissed off spending $80 for them. I didn't expect that much of a
difference on how it ran but I didn't expect it to be harder to start. I
hate it when my engine needs to crank over once before it starts.
I've been thinking I should change my timing a little. Could
wires make a that much of a difference? I didn't check my timing because
I was lazy that day. I have no fire any more. Just a pile of irons! :)

Deacon
deconblu gte.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
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Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 03:34:45 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - web address, contributions \ tune up

Deacon wrote:

>
>
>
> Any way I can help Bro, just let me know. I've been learning how to
> drive a 4000 gal. KW water truck. It's hard work, long hours and I'm
> away from home a lot but it's good money. Staying in motels sucks so I'm
> going to start taking my laptop with me. This way in the evenings I'll
> have something better to do than sit in a coffee shop. :)

I'd check over that frame about every couple of days just to make sure it
stays together. My Father in Law drove a Pete for a summer and I swear
every couple of days bolts would be missing out of the rear mounts for the
drive axles. Some were broken others were just gone. Them dirt roads are
hard on equipment.

> I wanted to
> work with computers but I can't sit behind a desk very long. Like the
> song says

> When I get to heaven
> Tie me to a tree
> Or soon I'll start a wonderin'
> And you know where I'll be!
>

I like it!


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