61-79-list-digest Thursday, July 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 381



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:CALLING ALL CHEMISTS
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:CALLING ALL CHEMISTS
FTE 61-79 - Re: Bogging Down
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power
FTE 61-79 - Re: SNOWBALL EFFECT
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power
FTE 61-79 - 71 - 84 Engine swap...
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power
Re: FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?
FTE 61-79 - Re: new wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 - 84 Engine swap...
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bar
FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine stantions for 1970 F100 (towers)
FTE 61-79 - RE:engine loses power
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bar
FTE 61-79 - Bogging
FTE 61-79 - Gear oil T case
FTE 61-79 - changing rear main seal
FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat
FTE 61-79 - New Wheels
FTE 61-79 - 1980 Chrome
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine stantions for 1970 F100 (towers)
FTE 61-79 - Front spindles
FTE 61-79 - Re: Trouble removing front axle
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front spindles
FTE 61-79 - 73 F-350
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Trouble removing front axle
Re: FTE 61-79 - HEY TONY MARINO!
FTE 61-79 - Bash update
FTE 61-79 - cooling and air conditioning
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F-350
Re: FTE 61-79 - 73 F-350

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:14:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:CALLING ALL CHEMISTS

At 03:16 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Ken, is this some Freudian slip now that we're (gasp!) a CORPORATION???
>
>I know about the slick 50. I really wouldn't consider running it. Marvel
>Mystery Oil has its advantages I know about (wintergreen oil) but all that
>Teflon stuff is just (dare I say it) bunk. Besides, I never intend to jack
>my truck up, run the transmission dry of oil, and spray it with a garden
>hose. Maybe if that was my idea of having a good time, I would try Motor
>up or slick 50 or some other concoction...
>
>See Azie, even my minor "slick-ups" get noticed.
>
>Thanks Ken, for giving me what I deserve.
>
>
>marko ;-]
>

Darn! And to think, the first time I typed FTC, it came out as
FTE and I corrected it. The second time I typed it I didn't even
notice........ hmmmmmmmmm maybe I'll start marketing FTE-50! On
the lighter side, there is still continuing discussion of starting
a club. It would be independent of FTE, but FTE would sponsor
a list for it. The clubs directors would control it, not me -
although I could be one of the directs if voted for. I hope we'll
eventually get something going once I get some irons out of the
fire.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:15:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:CALLING ALL CHEMISTS

At 03:23 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 06:08 PM 7/22/98 -0400, Ken Payne. Your message
>was:
>>At 01:48 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>>At 01:09 AM 22/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >Before you put in Slick 50, consider the fact that the FTC
>>fined them for false advertising and says that not a single
>>claim can be backed up. Go to the Misc section on our web
>>site and click on the link to the Snake Oil article. You'll
>>never consider Slick 50 again. Its amazing, how even after
>>a settlement
>
>with the FTE
>
>FTE got money from Slick 50 ? Cool!
>
>

Don't I wish! I'd throw one heck of a party for us!

Ken

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:26:59 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bogging Down

>
> Starving for fuel. Could be something to do with timing, but most likely
> something is causing a restriction of the fuel under certain conditions.
> These are extremely hard to diagnose with out having access to the
> vehicle
> under these conditions, but you need to look for restrictions of gas flow
> while it is "bogging".Somethings to look for: rubber hose in fuel line
> between Fuel pump and tank collapsing - Needle/seat sticking closed (or
> partially closed) usually caused by float dragging/hanging on something -
> Vapor lock.
> All I can think of at the moment.

Just a thought here, but have you checked the carb float recently? If
it has a pinhole that's letting fuel in it, it will cause it to drop and
starve out this way.
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:25:35 -0700
From: bertolina juno.com (NineteenSixtyFive F100)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power

Marko, Michael and JumpinFord, thanks for your feedback.
(snip snip)
What I found was the screen on the pickup tube was plugged. (snip snip)
Does anyone know whether my 1965 F-100 240 inline 6 would have this?
Truck is almost, if not all, original although I've only been it's proud
loving mother for around 6 months.
( snip snip)
Lemme think now: On the 240, you have a 1-barrel carb, and there's an
inline fuel filter just ahead of the carb, right? ( snip snip)
It does have the 1 barrel carb and it has an inline fuel filter just to
the front of the carburetor. (snip snip)
So there isn't one between the fuel pump and the gas tank, right? (snip
snip)
There is also a fuel filter that appears to sit on top of the fuel pump.
My brother does most of the work on this truck but because he's been
working very long hours, I had a mechanic check it over...therefore no
guarantees that both filters were discovered and checked although both
should have been obvious. One of these days, I'll be doing some of this
myself...one of the things I love about this truck. It's obvious from
the condition of this truck that it has always been well loved and cared
for by it's 2-3 prior owners but I'm not sure how particular they were
with the gasoline they used (if there's a difference between brands). I
have noticed that it seems to run rough just as I'm pulling out of the
service station with a full gas tank and I did mention this to the
mechanic but they told me they couldn't find anything and would actually
have to witness it happening...doubt that will ever happen so this is
something I need to solve myself (with brother Ray's help). This truck
has 3 tanks but is only running off the main one (behind the seat). I
haven't even tried the other 2 auxiliary tanks...not sure they would
register on the gauge...any one know? Also not sure how much gunk they
might have in them....anyway to flush them out without removing them?
Thanks for your feedback. Roberta in rainy Tucson, AZ with 1965 F-100
custom cab long bed

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:52:15 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: SNOWBALL EFFECT


> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 04:23:32 -0600
> From: "Michael White"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - The snowball effect
>
> There have been a couple of posts regarding the cost of restoration,
and I think something has not been mentioned about these spendy
projects...... "the snowball effect". Haven't we all started on what was
supposed to be a
> very simple project, and it ended up being something much more than that?

Michael- ....I noticed 2 things while reading your post.
1) You must be some kind of prophet or soothsayer or something because you
have indeed spoken the truthful word about restoration projects by FTE's.
In fact, this might be one of the FTE 10 commandments ! (..if there is such
a thing )and

2. You seem to have a rather good attitude about it considering all you've
been thru ! ! ! This is good.
Keep it up. The last time I heard of a snowball stopping and rolling
uphill was over 300 years ago when my great great grandpa was changing his
muffler bearings and ....etc., etc.....
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)
..and working toward those power disc brakes !!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:07:06 -0700
From: bertolina juno.com (NineteenSixtyFive F100)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power

Earlier reply from Keith in Mesa, AZ
1. Replace oil bath air cleaner with a paper element Air Cleaner, is If
can ever find one that would fit. One thing that does not help my
situation is, the Carb is sandwiched between the HOT Exhaust Manifold,
and this
rather large Oil Bath Air Cleaner that retains a lot of heat. I
haven't actually used a thermometer to check the temp of the air cleaner,
but
even with gloves on, I can only hold on to it for a very short period of
time. (snip snip)
O.K., I guess my truck is not completely all original. My brother
replaced the oil bath carb with a 1 barrel Carter he found in a junk yard
that was on the same van that supplied the "new" exhaust manifold since
the original one had a huge crack. The intake manifold was in good
shape..no cracks noted.
(snip snip)
3. Replace small radiator used with the I-6 with a Radiator that would
be used with a V-8 to try and help keep things cooled off. (snip snip)
My truck continues to run hot...I gave up on running A/C...I have ordered
a 4 row desert cooler high efficiency V8 size...hoping this solves the
running hot situation. My brother will be fabricating a shroud.
Actually, when my truck lost power yesterday, the outside temp was only
in the mid 90's and temp gauge was only mid range...not over towards the
"H" end of the scale like it has been recently.
(snip snip)
Earlier message from Steve:
Or maybe You could move to Canada where it's not as hot...
We Arizona old truck lovers would then be sending posts on how rusty our
trucks were instead of how badly they performed in this heat. Roberta
with 1965 in Tucson




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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:25:46 -0600
From: Jeff fisher
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 - 84 Engine swap...

Hello All,

I'm new to the list and have a question (or two or three). I am considering buying a
72 F-250 2WD w/1971 460 so I can place that motor into my 84 F-250
4WD...

I know the 71 motor is the last year of the higher compression so it
should be a good performer. It has 11k on the rebuild. My plan is
to swap out the engines and resell the 72 with my well worn 84 460
in it. Seems like a sound plan to me..

My questions/concerns are:

Any problem with swapping out the 84 electronic ignition with the
71s point type system?

I may want to just buy a better electronic ignition system to place on the
71 anyway but haven't thought that far yet. If I choose this route
then can I retain the electronic system in the 84 engine when I put
it in the 72 chassis?

Are there special "knock" sensors on my 84 that I need to be concerned
with?

I need to maintain emissions compliance, swapping the exh
headers and intake system solve that?

Are the oil pans identical between the 71 2wd and the 84 4wd? More
importantly the oil pickup location?
(I haven't had a chance to look at the 71 engine yet.)

Has anybody seen a good set of "Tri Y" type headers for a 84 4wd
460?

Money is obviously a factor, just trying to do the best I can with
what I got. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions, warnings?

Thanks in advance...

Best regards,
Jeff Fisher mailto:jrfish seqnet.net

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:57:43 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power

At 07:25 PM 22/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Marko, Michael and JumpinFord, thanks for your feedback.
>(snip snip)
>What I found was the screen on the pickup tube was plugged. (snip snip)
>Does anyone know whether my 1965 F-100 240 inline 6 would have this?
>Truck is almost, if not all, original although I've only been it's proud
>loving mother for around 6 months.
>( snip snip)
>Lemme think now: On the 240, you have a 1-barrel carb, and there's an
>inline fuel filter just ahead of the carb, right? ( snip snip)
>It does have the 1 barrel carb and it has an inline fuel filter just to
>the front of the carburetor. (snip snip)
>So there isn't one between the fuel pump and the gas tank, right? (snip
>snip)
>There is also a fuel filter that appears to sit on top of the fuel pump.
>My brother does most of the work on this truck but because he's been
>working very long hours, I had a mechanic check it over...therefore no
>guarantees that both filters were discovered and checked although both
>should have been obvious. One of these days, I'll be doing some of this
>myself...one of the things I love about this truck. It's obvious from
>the condition of this truck that it has always been well loved and cared
>for by it's 2-3 prior owners but I'm not sure how particular they were
>with the gasoline they used (if there's a difference between brands). I
>have noticed that it seems to run rough just as I'm pulling out of the
>service station with a full gas tank and I did mention this to the
>mechanic but they told me they couldn't find anything and would actually
>have to witness it happening...

No need to solve it yourself with the list around!

My $0.02 would be (and that's a really CHEAP Canadian $0.02) that your fuel
filler cap may not be venting properly. Or there's a bit of crud in the
fuel tank that keeps getting sloshed around maybe?

Possibly?

Perhaps?

marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:59:40 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?

At 08:01 PM 22/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Thanks for the quick way to convert cubes to liters! As for the 460, I'll
>try to look for a 390 motor.
>
Or a 352 or a 360. Trucks with ps and 360's might be the way to go, they
were produced all the way up to 76 weren't they?


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:20 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: new wheels

>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:41:29 -0500
>From: Jim McCarty
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - New wheels
>
>A friend of mine wants to sell me some mag wheels off his '94 F150 to
>put on my '73 F100. I know the new trucks have larger wheels, but
>will
>the '94 model wheel bolt onto my '73?
>
>thanks
>JAM

Jim: My '73 F100 wears '94 F150 wheels. My '94 rolls on factory alloy
mags from the '70s. Cool! (Dearborn switched to a metric lug pattern in
'97; we're not sure why). Factory take-offs can be had for cheap
anywhere aftermarket wheels are sold, so shop around to be sure your
friend's asking price is fair. It wouldn't hurt to test fit the wheels
before you close the deal, but AFAIK they will bolt right on. Speaking
of bolts, make sure he throws in the lugnuts! lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (360ci, '94 wheels) '97 Saturn (roller
skate wheels)

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:07:48 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 - 84 Engine swap...

At 09:25 PM 22/07/98 -0600, you wrote:
>snip

Sleddog shud have the definitive answers on this post, but I'll throw in my
$0.02 anyway.

Seems like a sound plan to me..

Sounds/seems good to me too, at least for you! Wouldn't sound as good if I
were buying!

> My questions/concerns are:
>
> Any problem with swapping out the 84 electronic ignition with the
> 71s point type system?

Just swap distributors when you swap engines. Leave the points dist with
the 72 and stick it back into the 84 engine once you drop it in.

> I may want to just buy a better electronic ignition system to place on the
> 71 anyway but haven't thought that far yet. If I choose this route
> then can I retain the electronic system in the 84 engine when I put
> it in the 72 chassis?

Why bother? You'll have to buy a box and coil. You're selling it anyway.
If you want a better distributor for your 71 motor (going into your 84)
then just buy a rebuilt distributor and give them back the 84 core.

> Are there special "knock" sensors on my 84 that I need to be concerned
> with?

Check your intake system. You might end up having to swap intake manifolds
as well.

> I need to maintain emissions compliance, swapping the exh
> headers and intake system solve that?

Externally yes. Hopefully the increased compression will not cause
weirdnesses.

> Are the oil pans identical between the 71 2wd and the 84 4wd? More
> importantly the oil pickup location?

I don't think the 72 truck originally came with a 460, I think they were
still only offered with FE's. Correct me if I am wrong. So the 460 motor
woulda come outa something else anyay. ONly way to really compare is to
look at both oil pans and compare.

> (I haven't had a chance to look at the 71 engine yet.)
>
> Has anybody seen a good set of "Tri Y" type headers for a 84 4wd
> 460?

Try Stan's Headers in Auburn WA. Thorley makes some too. I like Stan
cause they're a small shop. I have a set of Stan's for my 410. Really
nice. Check out www.stans-headers.com, or maybe www.stansheaders.com
(can't remember which).

> Money is obviously a factor, just trying to do the best I can with
> what I got. Any thoughts, comments, suggestions, warnings?

Good luck!


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:11:02 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bar

Mike, what sort of sway bar did you install? Used from yard or aftermarket?
I need one on my '67 but have not gotten around to finding out what years
would fit.

Have you found a good yard for Ford trucks around Seattle?

Jim in Federal Way


>Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:41:59 EDT
>From: GMPACHECO aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - sway bar
>
>Just installed a sway bar on the front of my 72 F-100, boy what difference,
>Do you think a rear sway will help that much more, I'm not sure if I need
it
>?? What do you think ?
>
>Mike in Seattle
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:37:58 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine stantions for 1970 F100 (towers)

In a message dated 98-07-21 16:48:15 EDT, you write:


frame) the same for every engine? 302? 460? etc? I'm looking to replace
"custom"
stantions with the correct pieces. If they're different, how do I tell the
difference between them? >>

The 240/300 sixes and FE 's use the same vertical stantion. Windsors
(289/302/351) and Cleavlands use a swept stantion (it angles toward the rear
of the truck. I went through this when I converted 240 six to 302 V8. They
should all work on 65 through 79 model F Series.

Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 05:38:01 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:engine loses power

On some sixes there is also a pleated filter (about 3" dia. and 6" tall) that
is on top of the fuel pump. I once had a fuel pump that did what yours was
doing. One of the check valves was loose in it's recess (it wasn't building up
full pressure). This was a rebuildable fuel pump with the screws around the
circumference of the housing.

Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:11:23 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bar

Actually no, I bot this sway from Honest Performance in Renton. I haven't
checked out any yards.. How about the Federal Way Tacoma area?
The bar was a Hellwig Sport-Tech 7422. Cost was about $150, but well worth it,
you wouldn't believe it. I don't have much body roll, and after I put the rear
on I'm sure I won't have any, should take about 2 hours to set up and install.

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:16:18 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bogging

Keith Srb Writes: >> Now that you have read this long winded reply, is
there anything else I could try?????

Double ought buck shot in a 12 gauge maybe!!!!!!! I'm only joking Keith.
We don't shoot our old Fords - We may feel like it at times, but I know it
was handed down to you and that makes it that much more valueable.

The rerouting of the fuel line away from all that heat sounds like a good
idea. I'm not real familiar with the I6, but I do remember it running
beside the valve cover right above the exhaust manifold for what seemed to
be 3 feet. You might also try wrapping the line with some sort of heat
reflective insulation. The elect fuel pump may help, but I really don't
think so.

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:35:43 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gear oil T case

Marko writes: >> Shud I rinse it out with solvent then do a quick oil
change after running for awhile? Or shud I just dump the gear oil and then
toss in the motor oil, then do a quick oil change (i.e. skip the solvent
rinse step).>>

Do you have a HOT water tap that you can get a hose pipe on????
Is the T case out of vehicle??? ,

If both of these are YES answers, why not "wash/flush" the T case out with
hot water???? Immediately blow dry with compressed air and refill with
your choice of lubricant. Will not hurt anything and the hot water will
just about get all the oil out. I do this all the time to cases that have
had some gear/bearing disentrigation occur, to get all the fine particles
of metal out of the case. Key here is to dry immediately and re oil all
metal parts.

Azie
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:35:52 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - changing rear main seal

Can anybody give me pointers on changing the rear main seal on
a 390...Tricks, secrets anything you can send my way..
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Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
Soon to be 390 FE powered!
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:43:51 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underhood heat

Steve D writes: >>I saw some datsun Z's that had a blower (looked like a
small heater blower) that were set up to blow cool air from the outside
world onto the top of the motor where the EFI stuff was. Perhaps You
could set up a small blower with some ducting to pull cool air in and blow
it across the carb... put it on a thermostat switch so it comes on when
the engine compartment temp gets above a certain point.

Keith/Roberta: This sounds like a very good idea also !!!! Let us know if
you try any of these things and how they work.

Good luck.

Azie


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:30:03 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New Wheels

>A friend of mine wants to sell me some mag wheels off his '94 F150 to
>put on my '73 F100. I know the new trucks have larger wheels, but will
>the '94 model wheel bolt onto my '73?
>
Same bolt pattern (5.5 x 5). They'll fit.
_
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:30:06 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1980 Chrome

>Yes, I know this is the 61-79 list. My major work I am currently doing
>is on the restoration of a 1965 step side but my wife has an 80 King Cab
>that needs to be repainted, bad rust on the hood and top of the cab. Now
>to my question, can anyone give me instructions on how to remove the
>trim from around the windshield. Before I do much sanding or blasting, I
>need to remove the trim to make sure the rust has not migrated down
>behind the trim. I would like to save the trim if possible, it seems to
>be in pretty good shape. Is the trim held on with clips or what? Any and
>all help is greatly appreciated.
>
A "King Cab" is a Nissan (or, in '80, a Datsun). Is that what you have or
is it a Ford SUPER CAB? If it's a Ford, the chrome is held on by clips
that you need a special tool to remove. It looks just like a bent arrow.
You slide it up under the chrome, hook the clip with one of the arrow
points, and pull the clip away from the chrome. It's pretty easy but
something someone needs to show you, very hard to describe. Maybe if you
buy the tool at an auto parts store, somebody there will demonstrate for you?

If you in fact do have a Datsun King Cab, I used to have one of those too
(it was an '80, even). I think they use a rubber seal with a flexible
chrome strip that you pull out of a channel in the gasket.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:43:26 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine loses power

Thanks for your message at 10:57 PM 7/22/98 -0700, Marko Maryniak. Your
message was:
>At 07:25 PM 22/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Marko, Michael and JumpinFord, thanks for your feedback.
>No need to solve it yourself with the list around!
>
>My $0.02 would be (and that's a really CHEAP Canadian $0.02) that your fuel
>filler cap may not be venting properly. Or there's a bit of crud in the
>fuel tank that keeps getting sloshed around maybe?
>
My $0.012 ($0.02 Canadian) would be a question: Does this occur whether
you are on an incline or level? Come to think of it, it's pretty level
where you are, or am I jumping to conclusions. There is a hill between
Yakima and Ellensburg (WA) where I have a similar experience. I figured
it was either crud in the tank or a leaky float in the carb. I don't know
why this one particular hill is at just the right angle to cause me
problems, but it does...I think it's some residual Yakima Indian Guardian
Spirit or...



1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell)traded to Levi--
It's gonna be a convertible!
1990 Aerostar
1981 Rabbit Convertible (How did that get in here?)
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:48:07 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engine stantions for 1970 F100 (towers)

Thanks for your message at 05:37 AM 7/23/98 EDT, CATLN7 aol.com. Your
message was:
>In a message dated 98-07-21 16:48:15 EDT, you write:
>
>
> frame) the same for every engine? 302? 460? etc? I'm looking to replace
> "custom"
> stantions with the correct pieces. If they're different, how do I tell the
> difference between them? >>
>
>The 240/300 sixes and FE 's use the same vertical stantion. Windsors
>(289/302/351) and Cleavlands use a swept stantion (it angles toward the rear
>of the truck. I went through this when I converted 240 six to 302 V8. They
>should all work on 65 through 79 model F ...

But what about the 429/460?
Dennis L. Pearson
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:53:11 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front spindles

Hey Ben,

I assumed you had a 4x4, is this correct? If not, I hope the little trick
still works for you.

Hey Marko,

I think the 77 F-250 4x4's have a different spindle setup then the 71's as
they are disc brakes, are yours? Mine 76 HD stuff has five bolts that go in
through the back and are an interference fit into the knuckle, but can be
easily tapped out. I'm pretty sure I know what yours looks like because my 74
Dana 44 had six bolts that went in from the front and came off with the
backing plate....

By the way, the big dual-piston front disc calipers and the 3"x12" brakes on
the rear Dana 60 now makes my truck stop 10 times better than it did before.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:58:45 -0400
From: Benjamin Lange
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Trouble removing front axle

Thanks for all the responses. At least now I know I was headed down the
right path because I already backed out the bolts (except the bottom
one) and tried the gear puller on the spindle nuts exactly as Jeff
described but with no luck. I'll have to try the soft rubber hammer
method next. That's one I had not thought of. By the way, what is
meant by "interference fit".

Ben Lange
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:08:14 -0500
From: Mike Masse
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front spindles

Jeff,
Could you elaborate on your rear D60 disk brake conversion? Was it a
kit, or something you did yourself?

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:

>
> By the way, the big dual-piston front disc calipers and the 3"x12" brakes on
> the rear Dana 60 now makes my truck stop 10 times better than it did before.
>
> Colorado Jeff
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-Mike
'78 Bronco
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:08:35 -0700
From: gpark cymer.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73 F-350

I need some advice on a truck I'm going to go look at. It's a 73 F-350,
with a 460/Auto. It's a Super Camper model, which I have no
experience with. In fact, the F-350 is pretty much a stranger to me.
I have a 77 F-150, but I'm looking for more tow power. Any advice on
particular things I should look for on this vehicle would be most
appreciated. BTW, he's asking $2,500 for it.


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:33:14 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Trouble removing front axle

- -----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Lange
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:13 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Trouble removing front axle


>Thanks for all the responses. At least now I know I was headed down the
>right path because I already backed out the bolts (except the bottom
>one) and tried the gear puller on the spindle nuts exactly as Jeff
>described but with no luck. I'll have to try the soft rubber hammer
>method next. That's one I had not thought of. By the way, what is
>meant by "interference fit".
>
>Ben Lange
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One of my favorite hammers is a "large rubber deadblow" which I bought
from Sears Roebuck. Those lead pellets inside really give this hammer that
extra "thumpin" power to break stuff loose without hurting anything
(deadblows don't bounce off your work either). A steel sledgehammer and
block of wood can be a bit tricky sometimes, and it always
leaves wood spliters everywhere.

Michael

69 F250 360 auto
69 F250 390 T18 Posi 3.54




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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:52:55 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HEY TONY MARINO!

What it shows -- (I don't have my lube manual here at work)
is ESP-MC83-C or equivalent for the NP205, and the NP435 says the same number.
However, for the Borg Warner T-19 it lists specifically "Engine oil SAE 50
(ESE-M2C101-C or equivalent)"
I find this interesting.. I thought they'd both use the same. Everybody I
know uses the 90wt axle gear lube including me...

Tony

Don't know what that means, but I'll check my other manual at home..
Personally, I use 90

At 01:55 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 10:15 PM 21/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Marko demanded:
>
>Hiya Tony:
>
>When you're not too busy tossing around footballs in Fla. with your cousin
>(or is that just a nasty rumor?) could you look in your 78 manual and tell
>us all what kinda oil YOUR manual recommends for the NP 205 transfer case,
>and the NP 435 tranny? See, my manual for 71 doesn't really differentiate
>among the chain-drive 203 and the gear-drive 205.
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>marko
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:02:52 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bash update

I spent this morning getting repair estimates. They range from just over
$1000 to near $1250. Both quotes specified economy repair parts that are
supposed to be OEM standard. A door is $165 and a fender $88. I was told
that a used door would run nearly $200. I then went to my favorite bone
yard where they quoted a price of $75 exchange for the door, only none of
theirs was acceptable at this point in time (I may not be so picky after
hunting some more.) My question is: Does anyone have experience and/or
advice concerning these economy parts? Would I be better off with a used
door?

The insurance adjuster came this afternoon. He was very pleasant. I don't
know what he is going to write in his report, but I am optimistic. I took a
pry bar to the fender so that I can use the door again. I won't miss
sliding across the seat.

Thanks in advance.

Later,

- -John M.


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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:02:59 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cooling and air conditioning

If all goes well, I too am going to invest in a four row radiator. I
currently have a three row with a recovery bottle, the stock shroud and a 6
blade stainless steel flex fan. I was wondering about the spacer behind the
fan. I bought the one called for by the computer at Auto Zone, but as I
look at it, I wonder if it is too short, puttimg the fan too far from the
radiator. Can anyone describe the relationship of the fan to the shroud?
Should the fan be in the shroud about halfway? front of the fan even with
the back of the shroud? I looked at my Towncar and the fan appears to be
almost all of the way inside the shroud. The Towncar has a fan clutch, but
would that make a difference?

While I was at the bone yard, I found two 75 or 76 LTDs that have a
351M/400 engine and the Frigidaire/Harrison A6 ac compressor and brackets
that I have been dreaming about. Does anyone know of any reason this won't
fit my truck? Power steering, alternator, etc. appear to be in the same
place as my truck's. Some pulley's may be different, but they are all there
and I intend to get them all just in case. I figure I'll need a different
length ac belt and some new hoses/fittings. I looked at my truck again and
it looks like it will work.

They also had a 58 Ford car that still had the original V-8 in it. The body
had some surface rust, but overall looked to be in pretty fair shape. I
think it was a 2 door. The engine had what I would describe as upside down
exhaust manifolds. If anyone is interested, let me know what to look for
and I'll take a closer look. I was shocked to see it sitting there and I
had F150 fender and door on the brain at the moment. Direct e-mail is OK.

Besides, this bone yard is better than a candy store IMHO.

TIA, again.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!....


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