61-79-list-digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 378



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust Restoration
FTE 61-79 - Re: Kragen's, Was: RADIATORS - GETTING CLOSER
FTE 61-79 - sandblasters
FTE 61-79 - motor oil in the transfer case???
FTE 61-79 - Overheating
FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12
FTE 61-79 - Droolin'...
FTE 61-79 - '68 F100 351m/c4 - 460/c6 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Holley Tweaks
Re: FTE 61-79 - motor oil in the transfer case???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Droolin'...
FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE
FTE 61-79 - FUEL ECONOMY 101
Re: FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: drool, drool!
FTE 61-79 - Something to drool over
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE
Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL ECONOMY 101
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Holley Tweaks
FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250
FTE 61-79 - dist problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250
FTE 61-79 - Newbie again re: 67 Ford
FTE 61-79 - Engine stantions for 1970 F100
FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil in transfer case)
Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil in transfer case)
Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil intransfer case)
FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Something to drool over
FTE 61-79 - Fw: ADDING BELLY TANK
FTE 61-79 - Fellow Ford fan has passed on.
Re: FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?
FTE 61-79 - Re: '65/'66 Power Brakes

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:14:53 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust Restoration

John Miller wrote:

> I am looking for advice from any of you who consider yourself "purists" or
> at least are knowledgeable of obtaining parts and work done that is close
> to original as possible on the exhaust system of our trucks. I want to go
> back to the real deal, the real hangers etc. only exception will be updated
> material of the exhaust components themselves and maybe duels. I can't
> stand the hardware, routing, and appearance of most jobs I have seen.

Many years ago, I replaced the entire exhast system on my 68 F-100
(390/Single exhast). I went to my local NAPA store and ordered all
pipes from the headers to tailpipe, a new muffler, and hangers.
There were 3-4 pipe sections, everything fit perfectly. The muffler
was a large free-flowing truck unit, it had a that nice, low, FE-
growl. Hangers, while not identical to stock, were pretty good as I
recall. I did this for the same reasons you are, I really wanted it
to look stock, and not have my exhast system hung on a bunch of rods
tack welded to the frame! Sorry, I can't remember how much it cost
(15 years ago), and if I make a silly guess Marko will slap me around
:-)

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:29:21 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Kragen's, Was: RADIATORS - GETTING CLOSER

Jerry wrote:
>
> Thanks guys -
> ...for all that replied with pricing info, it is much appreciated. If
> there is one thing I have to do before I croak.....I have to see one of
> these *kragen* stores. They seem to have everything at incredible > prices. Wow !

> Can't find any in Florida though.

Large chain out here, aka "Checker Auto Parts", and "Shuck's Auto
Supply"
elswhere. Have either of those in fla?

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:12:57 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sandblasters

>Sears and others have inexpensive ones too. I got a plastic siphon
>type for #39 from Sears and it works fine but if you plan to do a lot
>of blasting I suggest you get a pressure type rather than a siphon.
>They cut better and use less sand for the same job but are much more
>expensive ($150 and up)
>
Harbor Freight has a 40# pressurized right now on sale for $79.99. The
110# model is $169.99. 800-423-2567.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:13:04 PDT
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - motor oil in the transfer case???

can anyone tell me what kind of oil to use in the transfer case of my
'70 f250. Someone said i should use sae 50 motor oil for summer and 30
weight for winter. It has heavier gear oil in it now. is motor oil ok
to use?

thanks!!
70 f-250 4X4...tall and ugly (but getting prettier)
85 f150 supercab..Long and ugly

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:07:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating

>
>I think it would probably Overheat, due to the cruising temp being higher
>if you had a 195 stat in it, and that is 35 degrees closer to overheating
>and the truck is reaching almost "HOT" when it has the 160 degree stat in
>it and should be wide open

I dont think this is necessarily true. Aren't crusining temperatures usually higher
than Tstat opening temps?

If everyting were working correctly, I would expect that engine temps would be
high enough that Tstats would not close and so your temp reading would be the
same with both Tstats.

If you had a really good cooling system, the engine may drop below a 195 Tstat in
which case the temp gauge may cycle as the Tstat opens and closes as coolant
stops the engine heats, coolant starts, the engine cools, etc etc.

Sounds like someone needs to put in some electronic temperature gauges in the
radiator, block and maybe few other spots. I nominate Steve, he could wire them
to the alarm he built to warn him when it gets to hot :-)



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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:19:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: R-134 vs R-12

>
>When did the EPA retract their wrongs, and where is it printed?
>Anywhere on the net?

And the circle has completed, from #372:

Where did you hear this? I have been searching the EPA website in vain and
have found nothing like this. The 'latest news' page was last updated July 1 and I
found nothing there mentioning this. I did, however, find that the EPA has a Myth
/Fact page where the EPA contends that atmospheric mixing takes CFS high
enough to do what ever it is that is supposed to be so bad:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/heavier.html




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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:19:52 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Droolin'...

Just thought I'd share a little happiness from the weekend. While up
campin' with the kiddies & some buddies here in the Pac NW (GORGEOUS
weather lately) saw a rig used by a search & rescue guy. 73 F250 4X4 with
79 grill, 77 F350 Dana 60 front axle, 410 Merc motor, 10K lb PTO winch on
rear, 38" Gumbo Mudders, painted jet black. Truly an awesome rig.


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:17:06 -0500
From: donkin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '68 F100 351m/c4 - 460/c6 swap

Hello Everyone,

I have a 1968 F100 LWB that currently has a 351m and a C6. I have
been lucky enough to find a wrecked later 70's model 3/4ton truck with a

460 and a C6. I'm wondering how much would be involved to make this
transplant
into my '68.. would i have to change the driveline at all? Also, would
i be
happy with this motor in it's stock form?.. or would some upgrading be
in order
to make this a good street performer? .. would an edelbrock or holley
carb,
aftermarket intake and cam improve orworsen gas mileage? Of course gas
mileage
wont bother me too much, my carb must be shot, and the distributor wont
turn..
so timing my truck is outta the question :) (after all new tune up stuff
and a
rebuilt carb it still get's around 10mpg if that -- and no "kick in the
pants"
to boot :-(

Any input would be greatly appreciated
Shawn Donkin

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:18:25 -0400
From: Rick and Deborah Kelso
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Holley Tweaks

As for the off-idle bog, why not try a different accelerator pump cam and/or discharge
nozzle.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:37:07 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - motor oil in the transfer case???

I use 85/90 in my dads 75 F-250 transfer case. It seems to me that motor oil
wouldn't be thick enough
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:39:07 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Droolin'...

Aside from the winch and the 79 grill you just perfectly described my dads 75
F-250
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:19:14 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE

........no, this posting is not in the wrong place, and yes,
the subject name is the theme song of the old Lawrence Welk show....
Now that I've got your attention, I need to find out about REAL
bubbles.....not in the wine, but in my radiator.
Flushed out the cooling system today, (took stat out 1st)
351W, refilled system, bled air, and I let it run for about 15 min, waiting
for warm-up and to top off rad.
I noticed at the rad neck a big bubble, very thin, formed sort of
slow...broke it....and about 30 seconds later another formed. I've seen
head gasket bubbles before and they were very numerous , very tiny, and
active. This bubble fills up the entire diameter of the neck. Another 15
min went by and it wouldn't stop doing it. A tiny bit of white scum or ? ?
was floating in the neck. I topped it off and called it quits. Motor runs
1/2 way on temp gauge and stays there ....always.
Def not overheating.
Anyone experience this before ? If not, anyone care to *speculate* ? ? /
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:47:20 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FUEL ECONOMY 101

There has been a lot of discussion lately about gas mileage and things to
do to improve it.
Every single tip and idea I've seen mentioned is important....some will
make large changes, others will make small ones. They are all important.
If anyone is really interested in fine tuning and getting the engine
(don't forget the tire pressure counts too) to run as good as it can, you
have got to pay attention to details......but here's the really good advise
- - - - --
Don't forget the * STUPID STUFF * ! ! ! ! ! !

What do I mean, you say ? Stupid stuff is the stuff that you will never
find in Chiltons or Motors or Ford or Haynes or on the internet or even on
this list.!
Stupid stuff is forgetting to tighten down the choke cover screws fully
after the last choke adjustment and running around the state for 6 weeks
wondering what the heck happened to your gas mileage because the d #% thing
never opened more than half (1) way after it warmed up ! ! ! ! ! !
That's stupid stuff !!!
Sorry for the long post guys, but you have no idea what my blood pressure
is right now. Can you tell I feel a lot of pain ? ? I sure hope this
helps someone someday so it won't happen to them. It sure as heck won't
happen to me again.
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)



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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:10:43 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE

The best way to test for a blown head gasket is to wait for the engine to be
cold. First thing in the morning works for me. Fire the engine for a count
of 10. then shut off. Then immediatley pop the radiator cap. If you hear a
hiss its the head gasket because there is no way an engine can build pressure
in 10 sec. without combustion gasses getting in the cooling system
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:08:15 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: drool, drool!

Marko wrote:

> Anyway, Randy knows a guy with a 67 Mercury 4x4 CREW CAB (4 door), needs
> some tlc. It's for sale, too, and it would be awesome if one of you guys
> won the lottery and hired Randy to do it (after mine, of course).
> Remember, 67 cent dollars go a long way, and he's only 5 miles across the
> border!
>

Pat: Honey, didn't you say you wanted to go to Vancouver? Maybe we
should think about it.

Kathy, aka "SWMBO": Yea, maybe we should do that next summer. We
could also go to Seattle and see Tom & Mary.

Pat: Well, I was thinking of next week, there's this truck, an it's
like mine, only it's a 4x4, an' its got really cool valve covers,
an' it's a Mercury, an' it's . . .

Kathy: Next Week? What? Huh?

Pat: Oh, nothin.

Pat Brown "Pass the napkins, please, there's something on my chin"
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:01:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Something to drool over

Someone sent me an email about a 1947 Ford dump truck that's
been parked in a storage garage for 35 years! Its in really
good shape, if anyone is interested in this gem let me know
and I'll forward the guy's email address.

Ken Payne

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:02:19 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

In a message dated 98-07-18 09:09:32 EDT, you write:

>>
One of the Classic Truck issues in last three months has had an article on
how to do this.



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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:01:04 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - BUBBLES IN THE WINE

>Flushed out the cooling system today, (took stat out 1st)
>351W, refilled system, bled air, and I let it run for about 15 min, waiting
>for warm-up and to top off rad.
>I noticed at the rad neck a big bubble, very thin, formed sort of
>slow...broke it....and about 30 seconds later another formed. I've seen
>head gasket bubbles before and they were very numerous , very tiny, and
>active. This bubble fills up the entire diameter of the neck. Another 15
>min went by and it wouldn't stop doing it. A tiny bit of white scum or ? ?
>was floating in the neck. I topped it off and called it quits. Motor runs
>1/2 way on temp gauge and stays there ....always.
>Def not overheating.

When I've changed the coolant on my FE, I've seen something similar.
Bubbles keep appearing like that, and I have to add a qt or more of coolant
after the truck has been run for a day or 2. After a couple days it always
stops doing it... I think on mine it's just bubbles in the block, and air
that's in solution with the coolant working itself out.
It worried me a bit the first couple times, but since it always quits after
a day or two I don't sweat it anymore.


Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:50:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL ECONOMY 101

> From: "Jerry"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - FUEL ECONOMY 101
> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:47:20 -0400

> I sure hope this helps someone someday so it won't happen to them.

You did real good up to here but this was a mistake:

> It sure as heck won't happen to me again.

You just set yourself up for a Sequel :-) Make sure dentist bills
are paid, foot extractions are expensive :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:47:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Holley Tweaks

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:18:25 -0400
> From: Rick and Deborah Kelso
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Holley Tweaks

> As for the off-idle bog, why not try a different accelerator pump
> cam and/or discharge nozzle.

It's possible to run your idle mixture too lean as well or to jet it
too lean and have these problems but the thing that's supposed to
control this is the transition slot and circuit. Holley makes about
100 primary metering blocks which are all interchangeable and they
have different intermediate circuits. If you get the right tech guy
you may be able to find one more suitable.

In the mean time you might try changing the accellerator link
position or the things mentioned above but I didn't have much luck
changing these on the 460. Sometimes it's a combination of
mismatches that is hard to over come or a tuning problem as I noted.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:34:42 -0300
From: "Janet Barry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250

This is a bit long, thanks for taking the time to read it:-)
Greetings to everyone on this list.

I am an owner of a 67 F250 3/4 Ton Camper Special which is in need of some
serious work and investment $.
I found this list in my search for Ford Truck web sites earlier this week,
and have found your posts very informative though my mechanical knowledge is
not the best! Still, I have some basic knowledge and have been known to do a
few oil changes and so forth:-)

I'm the third owner of my dear old truck, I purchased it on the West Coast
of Canada in 1986. Since that time, the truck has been a really reliable
vehicle that has pulled many a load, including a four horse trailer. It has
never been driven in Canada's winter weather, but now it needs engine,
exhaust and new paint.
The rust spots are limited to two - on each door sill. I've had it looked it
at by my long-time mechanic, and the work is estimated at about $4,000, I'm
sure it will cost more though. This doesn't include the body work and new
paint.

These old trucks are really rare here in the East Coast of Canada where I
live. I've had numerous offers to sell it, but would prefer to fix it up
properly and keep it for minimal farm work (hauling bags of feed) and baby
it for the rest of its time:-)

The engine is not original to the truck. It *is* a 1967 engine, a V8 390 HP.
The first owner used the truck each winter to pull his large travel trailer
to Mexico, and needed lots of power. The truck still bears a 1968 Mexico
"Turista" sticker on the window for customs purposes.
It also has dual exhausts and headers. (Excuse my lack of correct
terminology.) The front bumper and grill are all chrome, the rear bumper is
a heavy duty steel that has held up well over the years of towing. It's a
manual shift and is one tough baby to steer in tight places! It also has two
gas tanks.

Now to get to my point:-) Where I live, trucks of this age are appraised
individually. I realize that value may vary on geographic area.
If I invest the money in it, I wonder would I be able to resell it at any
time for my investment money?
I think of it similar to a diamond - just because it's worth a certain
amount, it doesn't mean that a person could actually get that amount for it
in resale.

Also too, in your experiences, are these old Ford trucks depreciating in
value?

Thanks for reading this, and I appreciate any thoughts, opinions or
suggestions you might send my way.

Regards,
JBarry
jbarry pei.sympatico.ca











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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: FORD-TRUCK-70 webtv.net (RANDY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - dist problems

Thanks guys for the help . It was the gear on the dist that was broke
and not the timing chain . runs better than before :-)
I found the truck i have been looking for
1970 F100 4x4 swb 390 hedders 4 Barrel for sale its about an hour and a
half from where i live i drove up and took a look at it today no one at
home :-( but i did talk to the guy next door and he said it runs good
body a little rust but fixable $1400.00 i got his number and going to
call him after 5:00pm hope i can get this truck then i will have a 1970
F100 2wd swb and a 1970 4wd swb . And agian thanks for the help

RANDY
1970 F100 351W ( KNOCKING) :-(
1978 F150 351M ( DONOR TRUCK ) :-)
1960 FAIRLANE ( FOR SALE )

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:18:31 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250

> From: "Janet Barry"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:34:42 -0300

> I am an owner of a 67 F250 3/4 Ton Camper Special which is in need
> of some serious work and investment $. I found this list in my

One of the toughest fords ever IMHO :-) My son just bought one on my
advice for $1800 with 360 engine, 2wd in imaculate condition. Lots
of miles but no rust at all (georga truck). Good choice :-)

> at by my long-time mechanic, and the work is estimated at about
> $4,000, I'm sure it will cost more though. This doesn't include the
> body work and new paint.

You could do an awfull lot of work on it for that kind of cash! Are
you planning on doing any of it yourself? Is he including engine
rebuild in that cost?

> Also too, in your experiences, are these old Ford trucks
> depreciating in value?

As long as the truck itself doesn't depreciate through lack of care
it will always be worth what you paid for it and if you fix it up,
even more but don't ever expect to get back all your investment.
Some of the investment must be considered dues for owning an older
truck. If you fixed all the rust with new steel parts, rebuilt the
engine, tranny, xfer case, axles and refurbished the interior to like
new condition you can expect to find a buyer out there willing to pay
a fair price for it but putting $4000 into it won't necessarily get
it up to that value depending on it's present condition. Many of us
would gladly pay $4-5000 for such a truck but it would have to have
reciepts and be carefully checked out with magnets etc. and driven to
sense it's condition. Fortunately you can't drug trucks but you can
hide a lot of rust and mechanical ills so when an old truck goes for
that kind of cash it gets attention but it also gets scrutenized :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:33:37 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie looking for info on my 67 F250

At 02:34 PM 21/07/98 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>Thanks for reading this, and I appreciate any thoughts, opinions or
>suggestions you might send my way.
>
>Regards,
>JBarry
>jbarry pei.sympatico.ca

Janet:

I have lived on PEI and things just rot there, incredibly fast. You have
found a gem of a truck and if the running gear is good you shud do what you
can to preserve it.

$4000 is an awful lot of money. You would be best off to spend some of it
on a cheap ticket to say, Georgia (which is not too far from you) and to
buy yourself a decent, rust-free body even if the mechanicals are bad.

The body changeover is actually really quick (I swapped bodies and engines
in 3 days), and you can use any body from 67 to 72. Then you will have all
the spare parts you might need as well.

This might be the best use for your $4000.


marko in vancouver


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:44:01 -0300
From: "Janet Barry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie again re: 67 Ford

I probably should have explained better about the work needed on the truck.

Yep, I agree $4,000 is a lot of money, hence my research:-)
Thanks so much for the thoughts so far.

The estimate includes a motor rebuild, exhaust system, new tires, in short -
everything needed to get it back to top shape. Kingpins, I think it may need
shocks as well (have to check my list.) brakes.
We have mandatory inspection here too, so all vehicles have to meet certain
standards.

The first thing my mechanic did when he first looked at the truck, was to
check the frame. He said the frame was good.
I trust him - it's his business, he's not a car dealer. I've dealt with him
for about 5 years now. However, I've not shopped around.
But, he doesn't give his services away, so those labor charges sure add up.

Automobiles here are awfully expensive, and don't last long. Road salt and
winter just eats them up.
Recently I sold my inspected 1990 3 cylinder Chev Sprint for $1500. That's
as cheap as you will probably get for an inspected car.

Yesterday I saw a For Sale ad on a 69 Chev 3/4 ton, 350 automatic. 65,000
miles. The asking price was $5,800.
A new truck would cost you about $25,000 here.

In 1986 I paid $2000 for the truck, in Vancouver, B.C.
OK I'm talking way too much, thanks again for your replies:-)
jbarry pei.sympatico.ca





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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:48:21 -0400
From: "Rogers"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine stantions for 1970 F100

Gentlemen,
Greetings again from good 'ol "feels like Mississippi today!" Dearborn,
Michigan. This question goes to all of you engine transplant surgeons out
there. Are the engine stantions (Engine mounts that bolt to the vehicle
frame) the same for every engine? 302? 460? etc? I'm looking to replace
"custom"
stantions with the correct pieces. If they're different, how do I tell the
difference between them?

Thanks in advance for the info,
Rogers B. Morris, Jr.
rbmii msn.com




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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:40:30 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil in transfer case)

All right you guys, we've had this discussion before and we're gonna have
it again, I guess.

About 2 mos ago I posted a question which I got a "shrug of the shoulders"
kinda response. My question was, my original manual for my 67 says to use
SAE 50 wt engine oil for the transmission (T-18 and/or 435) and to use it
also in the transfer case. The manual says to use gear oil in the rearend
and frontend (mine is a 4x4 obviously). In the winter, it recommends
changing to 30 weight in both tranny and case.

Now, normally people say to use gear oil in their transes and cases. But
recently Bill Ballinger said that he let OUT some oil from his 435 and the
gears don't clash anymore.

My question is, if gear oil was around back then, why didn't they recommend
it for use in the transfer case/tranny??? Does gear oil, being so thick,
create some kind of turbulence in the transmission making it not operate
efficiently? Does gear oil protect better? What is it about gear oil
anyway that makes it stink so bad? If it's so good, why don't we run our
engines on it?

Now, don't give me no bunk answer like "oh it is just for ease of shifting
in winter". There HAS to be a good reason why Ford recommended the engine
oil for the trans/tcase. And in order to put the winter answer to bed once
and for all wud someone who lives in the Deep Hot South please check their
67-72 manual to see if it also recommends the engine oil.

I am also interested to find out if thicker oil reduces whine, or not. Cud
be a myth you know.


Anyway, thanks in advance for all your help and wisdom.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:05:29 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil in transfer case)

At 02:40 PM 7/21/98 -0700, you wrote:
>All right you guys, we've had this discussion before and we're gonna have
>it again, I guess.
>
>About 2 mos ago I posted a question which I got a "shrug of the shoulders"
>kinda response. My question was, my original manual for my 67 says to use
>SAE 50 wt engine oil for the transmission (T-18 and/or 435) and to use it
>also in the transfer case. The manual says to use gear oil in the rearend
>and frontend (mine is a 4x4 obviously). In the winter, it recommends
>changing to 30 weight in both tranny and case.

Marko, I dunno the answer to yer question, but I'd like to know also.
My chilton manual (which I consider to be one of the least dependable
sources of accurate info there is) says 80-90w gear oil in the tranny,
and 50w engine oil(30w below 10 degrees F...) in the transfer case.
I keep wondering if lighter weight oil in the tranny would help gas
mileage any, but I don't wanna injure my tranny with the wrong juice...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:28:23 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CALLING ALL CHEMISTS (was motor oil intransfer case)

Gents, just so we are all on the same "nomenclature" remember that a "w"
behind the numeric viscosity value placed on a lubricant does NOT mean
"weight" it means "winter" and there by denotes an ability to maintain
viscosity in temps down to (and this is where my mind betrays me) I think
either 0 degrees F or -20 degrees F. So when we discuss 80-90 weight gear
oil we must spell weight unless it is 80w-90 weight gear oil, and so on and
so on. This in regard to the older model trucks is possibly where the
confusion lies, maybe oil technology was not up there back then ? dunno...
I'm a pup of 35, but remember learning about the SAE and viscosity ratings
very early at gran'pappy's Sinclair station.

John Miller


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:42:53 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?

I have a 66 352 fe motor in my f100 and I am looking for the ps brackets to
complete my conversion. I heard a 390 or 460 pump/brackets should be the
same. Does anyone know what year I should look for?


Thanks in advance

66f100 ps/pb on the way.....
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:56:24 -0500
From: Jim McCarty
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Something to drool over

Who could possibly be not interested? mccarty ccsi.com

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Someone sent me an email about a 1947 Ford dump truck that's
> been parked in a storage garage for 35 years! Its in really
> good shape, if anyone is interested in this gem let me know
> and I'll forward the guy's email address.
>
> Ken Payne
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:18:00 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: ADDING BELLY TANK


From: Jerry
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: ADDING BELLY TANK
> Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 8:50 PM
>
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:32:07 -0700
> > From: "Douglas W. Hack"
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Adding Belly tank to Supercab
> >
> > My '78 F150 Supercab shortbed with 351M got all of 8MPG. With the
stock
> > 21 gallon rear tank I saw the gas station entirely too frequently. I
am
> > doing a lot of work to it transferring the 400 and complete
> > drivetrain/etc. from a wrecked F250 to it. I keep looking at the belly
> > tank on the F250 ('78 regular cab long bed) and wanting to put it under
> > the Supercab. It seems the Supercab has a different crossmember that
> > gets in the way, but it still looks like it might be possible. Has
> > anyone done this one? If this tank won't work, what will?
>
> Hey Douglas -
> It just so happens I am about to finish the project of adding a
mid-frame
> and an aux (rear) tank to my 69 350. The donor truck was a 76 or 78 F250
(I
> think) for the mid mount tank. The supports for the donor tank were a
> bolted-on mini xmbr for the front end and a short strap between the side
> frame rail and the riveted-in big xmbr. The mini bolted in perfectly
> after I drilled two holes to mount it. (Frame rail widths have not
changed
> much (if any) over the years)
> If your original xmbr is not in the correct place to support the rear of
> the new tank....dont worry...be happy !! !
> Just locate another donor truck (or fabricate) another mini one like the
> front one. The only problem I had was the tank wouldn't mount up as high
in
> front as I wanted it and was held up about an inch by a section of my 69
> xmbr bracket on the left side that didnt quite have enough of a curve to
it
> to match the curve in the tank. Most 73 up trucks all have this bracket
> with the sharper curve in it. ) Grinding or cutting out a 1 x 3 piece
out
> of the side of it made the tank fit perfect......and I mean perfect. All
> the bends, kinks, bumps, and bubbles of the tank matched my
undercarriage.
> These Ford engineers are really 'sumpin, aren't they ? ? ? Just about
any
> 73 up F series that has a mid tank should work fine. Just watch your max
> width to the driveshaft.
> As for the rear tank (over the rear axle) found the donor F250 ( can be
> most any year...they are all similar exc for the emission vents, sending
> unit vents ) with a bolted-in xmbr holding up the rear of the tank and
used
> it.......or was it the front ? ? ? Dont be too concerned about the xmbrs
> unless you want to make it look original like I did. Any sturdy
> rail-to-rail support bolted onto the top of the frame will hold the tank
> straps OK. Most 73 and up all use the same rear (aux) tank mounting,
> straps, etc. but some are riveted in. (I spent an hour with a guy trying
> to cut the rivets out of one and we never did get it out) Do not do
this
> ! It will get ugly ! !
> Look for the bolt-on type and you will be able to pet the dog when you
get
> home that night.
> After you get 'em mounted, and you want to wire 'em, please visit the
FTE
> archives for posts #287, 288, 290, 300, 302, 303, 304, 320, 334,
> etc.etc.....that should confirm not too many people do this kind of
> work..or if they do, they dont talk about it.
> Seriously, if you need help with the wiring, let me know and I'll let
you
> know how I did it....all 3 tanks too ! ! !
> Good Luck
>
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW +3 tanks! Ready for the Mobil
> Economy Run and how does it go ? ...wooo-hooo
> 1970 F100 (ret)
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:49:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fellow Ford fan has passed on.

Just got some news that stunned me. Jim Osborn, of Jim Osborn
Reproductions, passed away Wednesday. Jim Osborn, in addition
to producing some of the finest reproduction decals, tags,
manuals and books for automotive enthusiasts, was also one
heck of a nice guy.

A couple of months ago, after having the pleasure of seeing
Jim's work first hand in his small plant, Jim offered Ford
Truck Enthusiasts a deal to help us continue to help our
fellow Ford truck fans. A discount on his products sold
through us. Jim didn't have to extend this offer, but he had
a genuine "I want to help out attitude." I know one of his
employees personally and can say that his workers truly
liked working for/with him. He was just an all around nice
guy.

For those who don't know, Jim founded the Mustang Club of
America and his lifelong dream was to start a Mustang museum.
His wife is planning on starting a fund to keep his dream
alive.

I'd like to take this opportunity to ask the members of these
lists to show that we're more than just about trucks. I've
made many friends here and I know from personal experience
that we have a good group here. Please, if you can spare a
few moments of your evening tonight or a few minutes tomorrow,
pick up a card and send it to:

Jim Osborn Reproductions
101 Ridgecrest Drive
Lawrenceville, GA 30045

If you want to, send a few bucks with a note stating it's
for the Mustang museum. Also, let them know its from an FTE
member, I think this, in a small way, will let them know
that we appreciated him.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts, Inc.
http://www.ford-trucks.com


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:21:08 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PS brackets for 352?

Trs2000 aol.com wrote:

> I have a 66 352 fe motor in my f100 and I am looking for the ps brackets to
> complete my conversion. I heard a 390 or 460 pump/brackets should be the
> same. Does anyone know what year I should look for?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> 66f100 ps/pb on the way.....

Look for a pickup with an FE under the hood. The truck brackets are a better
fit than the car setup if you want to add air conditioning or compressor. Any
352, 360, 390 will do.


- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:31:31 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: '65/'66 Power Brakes

If you mean did I use the big round booster? Nope...I just used the Master Cylinder from a '72 truck. Clean it up
and honed it a little. Then I got a little bent out of shape and decided that $23.00 for a new one was less work....


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