61-79-list-digest Saturday, July 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 376



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - product info
FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage
FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun at Pick'n'Pull...
FTE 61-79 - 4X4 Kingpins
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun at Pick'n'Pull...
FTE 61-79 - '68 F-100 front end
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage
FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question
FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 Question - Again!
Re: FTE 61-79 - questions on DANA 44
FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck
FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag
FTE 61-79 - Brake Pedal Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Pedal Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
RE: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:36:32 -0400
From: Mike Elmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - product info

Hey, I'm trying to find a source for moulding clips for my 69 F-250.I
need clips for both boors[all-10]. Any help would be great.I've tryed
most catalogs.
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:37:15 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

Gentlemen -
Today was my day to waste my entire 8 hours at work trying to get an
estimate on replacing my radiator and finding out if there were any options
for increasing the cooling capacity (like I knew there was after reading
this most informative list for the past few months)
Please note the operative word here is *entire*. No kidding ! !. Our
yellow pages is not that large for radiator dealers and I think I only
called 6 of them anyway !....can you say buy mine sucker ? ?...can you say
retail only ? ?
Sorting thru all of what I have learned from this lists experiences,
service manuals, parts men, etc. here is what I want to get.
A new,4-row, 2-5/8 thick core H x W to fit of course by 69 F350. Modine
has a model 2304 like this. Supposedly is for 73-79 HD cooling 460FE towing
pkg, etc, etc.
Before I can consider it price-wise, I have to ask your opinions. The
best wholesale discounted price I can find is
* * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
Is there a new radiator this size that is less than this ?
I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions for
cheaper places to buy ? Anyone bought this size or this model ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)



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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:44:28 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage

My carb does sound like it is running a little rich at idle. Everything is
rebuilt or new, motor, tranny, 9" pig assembly & axles. I do have some kind
of headers on there, not sure which kind, they were on it when I bought it;
Dual exaust with some $20 turbo mufflers (I'm guessing). I did replace the
30 year old coil with an Accel Super Stock, and a set of Accel Blue 8mm
Sprial Core Wires. The Distrubutor is a Standard Blue Cap, with copper
contacts. I'm running stock Motorcraft Plugs gapped at .035. My original
distrubutor was loose, so installed one from a 74 360 that had a 2bbl, c6,
but 3.00's. It's a stock rebuild, I don't have A/C, or do a lot of hill
driving. Mainly Interstate Driving at 70. I am using a flexfan, and no
thermostat. (Summer driven only, got pissed off after installing the motor,
and on 2nd trip it overheated. Same therostat that worked a year ago.
Weird.). I don't have any oil/gas/tranny/rear end leaks, Dad would kill me,
so that's out. I rebuilt the carberator last year. I've got about 1000
miles on the rebuild since the 1st of the month.

Another problem I have is that the vaccum going to the tranny dosen't drop
off completely when you rev it, so I don't have a forced downshift when I
give it the gas.

Prehaps a 4bbl would help?

Ken
> You should be able to get a little better than 9 MPG if everything was
> new or rebuilt, but that would probably cost more than it's
> worth. Maybe a
> simple tune-up kit would pay off for you (plugs+wires, distributor+carb
> diagnostic). Have you closely inspected the entire fuel system
> for any signs
> of leaks?
> Although I do have a 1969 F250 360, C6, 4.10, I have not
> tested it's MPG
> (converting to 4 barrel soon). I have tested my 69 F250 390 4 barrel (std
> Autolite distrib, Holley 1850, high energy comp cam, comp hooker
> headers, 3"
> exhaust), T18, Posi 3.55, and I recently got 10.2 MPG during aggresive
> (that's my holeshot!) city driving and some towing (only 3,000 miles on
> entire drivetrain). My last highway MPG test on the 390 came up around 14
> MPG at 70 MPH (after replacing leaky fuel selection valve), but I'm still
> not convinced of the results myself, so I will retest the highway MPG very
> soon and post the results. When the 390 recently passed state inspection +
> emmisions, I was told that the mixture was slightly rich, so I may downjet
> the carb before the next highway MPG test.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:53:53 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

How many quarts of oil should you pour in a 360 FE? The Spec books say 6
with filter change, which puts the oil level on my dipstick at the last "l"
in "Full." I tried 5 quarts 2 hundered miles ago, and it read exactly full.
Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I know my coolent isn't leaking
into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil still smells, feels, and looks like
new. Any ideas?

Ken Schneider
68 F-100, 360, C6, 3.25's

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:29:35 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun at Pick'n'Pull...

From:Steve
> Pat mentioned that Deacon has been awfull quiet lately.. I figure
he's
> got a new girlfriend or something and doesn't love us anymore.
> C'mon Deacon, how 'bout some good song lyrics or words of wisdom for
us
> to show You still care! (-:

Oh yea, Another female in my life is just what I need! 8}

I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
I really love to watch them roll
No longer riding on the merry-go-round
I just had to let it go

If your neighbor goes "So your a mechanic? Do you think you,,," at this
point ground a hot wire with a screwdriver and get a good size spark
then jump back and go "What the hell was that? Bet that's going to be
expensive! What was it you were saying?" He'll say "Oh it was nothing. I
don't want to bug you" Then he'll turn and leave.

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:50:13 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4X4 Kingpins

> Ok, if you were refering to 4wd then where do the king pins fit in?
> I know about trunion bearings and ball joints but no king pins?

Some people call the trunion bearings in the closed knuckle axle king
pins.



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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:47:10 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun at Pick'n'Pull...

steve wrote:
>
> Got to goto Pick'n'Pull and meet fellow FTE member Pat Brown this morning.
> Big Fun! (well, for me at least...)

Yup! I'll second that. It was great to meet Steve (Long-haired hippy
freak!)
and dig around the wreckers at the same time!

> Found *one* of the 2 plastic grill inserts for my '71 in very good shape.
> Only gotta find one more for me, then I can start looking for some for
> Tony M... no good turn signal lenses today.
> When I left Pat, he was staring at a wheelbarrow full of power steering
> parts for his truck. Bet I know what he's doing this weekend!

Hmmm. Not if SWMBO has anything to say about it. But I did manage to
check a
few things this afternoon. Gotta go back and get the water pump pully! I
got
the pump, brackets, ford integral box, hoses and the crank pully. Crank
pulley
is bigger by about 1/2", I need a smaller pulley on my water pump now
:-(. Man,
I had it in my hand, too! Cost was $87, I'll get $15 back for my cores
(got
an old pump around here somewhere)

> DuckDon, You missed out bigtime! We found 2 cammers for $125ea, and
> a 427 side oiler with a richmond 5-speed for $225... but we bought them
> all and left none for You! (Just kidding!)
> Pat and I agreed that You have to go with us next time we make a P'n'P run,
> but we ain't gonna settle for You buying us lunch at Dennys. I was gonna
> let You off with taking us to Playa Azul, or maybe Fitch mountain Eddie's,
> but I think Pat is shooting for Cricklewood or somewhere fancier ($$).(-:

Well, Cricklewood is alright, but John Ash, or Fountaingrove Inn, :-).

> Got to meet another FTE member face to face *and* goto the wrecking
> yard today.. life doesn't get much better than that! err, does it?

Yea, we forgot favorite cool beverages, but you did say you were going
to work . .

> Pat mentioned that Deacon has been awfull quiet lately.. I figure he's
> got a new girlfriend or something and doesn't love us anymore.
> C'mon Deacon, how 'bout some good song lyrics or words of wisdom for us
> to show You still care! (-:
>

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:54:57 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '68 F-100 front end

Hey group, how's it goin'? I have talked to a few of you in private, have
never posted before. Got a question.

I inherited my grandfathers old '68. (been sitting motorless for a few years
now. I was last in line to get it.) Just put a new motor and tranny in it,
and spent WAAY too much money on it. I noticed while putting the motor in
that the front end is shot. Radius arm bushings are mostly gone, and got
boo-koo slop in the kingpins. I haven't gathered the nerve to check out the
I beam pivot points. ( as if I would know what I was looking at)

So my question is, is this a job a shadetree mechanic with the average
toolbox can do? Does the Haynes manual go into any detail on this? Is there
any place online where I can download an exploded view of the front
suspension?

I have the suspension out of a late '70's E-350 that I killed for it's 460
crank a couple years ago. Would any of that swap out? I'm really not crazy
about used bushings, but I built the motor with money I won't make for
another 6 months. I've never done any frontend work other than the
occassional tie-rod end and brakes, but I have a big hammer and I'm not
afraid to use it. What are my options here?

I bow to your infinite wisdom and experience.



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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:40:47 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

Tony Marino wrote:

> Humor an old man here-
>
> I have a '70 F-100 4x4 dana 44 open knuckle, drum brake Ford.
> I have a '78 F-150 4x4 dana 44 open knuckle, disk brake Ford.
> Both trucks completely stock.
>
> Either I'm blind or dumb, one has ball joints ('78) the other has "trunion"
> bearings ('70)- (as Gary called it) I can't conceive how the spindles on
> one will work on the other! I'll take pictures an post them if ya want to
> see what I mean. If this *IS* the case, I have a spare dana 44 that I'd be
> more than happy to convert the '70's brakes over with!!!! Joe- If you need
> a front axle and are anywhere near Ohio, I'll sell ya' mine dirt cheap!
>
> Now, on to another issue- This is not a war by no means! I hope it's not
> coming across in that manner, this newsgroup is meant for learning and
> helping other people, should I be wrong, I'd LOVE to know why! I'm open to
> learning! I've gone to college for 5 years! 8-) (suppose to be 4, but
> hey, nobody's perfect!) Don, please don't think I'm offending you-- You
> knowledge greatly surpasses me on old Fords, but I just don't see how?!

Well Ok I did leave out one style but I thought it was only on the EB's. For
a couple of years (not sure which) the open knuckle used a bearing with a cap
kind of like a Dana 60 (Don't even get started, there are some differences
between the 44 and 60 I was just using it for "kind of like") I was working
off a yes or no answer for a 68 which should be closed knuckle if stock. But
we all know how Ford was, if they were out of one part they just used what
ever else is laying around.

Back to business. To use the Ford Disk brake caliper brackets you must use
the knuckle from a Ford axle (Dana 44) If you do not feel like changing the
knuckles you can find a Ford hub and disk and then pick up a Shevy spindle,
caliper bracket and caliper. Now assuming that the 70 Dana 44 with trunions
uses six bolts to mount the spindle the Shevy conversion should work. On the
earlier Dana 44 with closed knuckles the Shevy conversion should also work
here. At one time I placed my Ford hubs on a Shevy axle, drums and all so I
see no reason why the Shevy parts will not bolt on to a Ford axle. Get this I
then took the old drums and backing plates from my Ford and put them on the
front of a 52 M38A1. The six mounting bolts lined up perfectly on the Dana 25
knuckle. I had to open up the center of the drum to fit on the hub, but
anyway it saved $200 or so bucks for the conversion. The carb was shot too so
I pulled the old one off a 300 6 that is in the garage and tada instant
running Jeep.

Where was I at, oh yea the big problem with using Ford calipers and brackets
is that you must also change the spindle and knuckle, so your axle must use
ball joints. Ford disk parts use 5 bolts in a pattern so that they only go on
one way. Look at some of the disk brake conversions for the EB's and most of
what they use will work for 1/2 tons as well.

Anyone going this far into a conversion should also consider replaceing the
bolts with studs the mount from the inside of the knuckle. There is a picture
in the Ford F-Series Pickup Owner's Bible by Moses Ludel the showes what will
happen if the bolts pull out.

War, heck no, I just didn't want to bring any other manufactures to the table.

I will work on a more detailed explain later for my page ( someday)
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:48:39 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

Here is a link to an early Bronco conversion

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.verinet.com/~handy/discconv.html

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:22:07 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

Ken Schneider wrote:
>
> How many quarts of oil should you pour in a 360 FE? The Spec books say 6
> with filter change, which puts the oil level on my dipstick at the last "l"
> in "Full." I tried 5 quarts 2 hundered miles ago, and it read exactly full.
> Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I know my coolent isn't leaking
> into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil still smells, feels, and looks like
> new. Any ideas?

Ruptured fuel pump diaphram?

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:33:36 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

Jerry wrote:
>
> Gentlemen -
> Today was my day to waste my entire 8 hours at work trying to get an
> estimate on replacing my radiator and finding out if there were any options
> for increasing the cooling capacity (like I knew there was after reading
> this most informative list for the past few months)

Sounds like you're getting a better deal on a radiator than your boss is
:-)

> Please note the operative word here is *entire*. No kidding ! !. Our
> yellow pages is not that large for radiator dealers and I think I only
> called 6 of them anyway !....can you say buy mine sucker ? ?...can you say
> retail only ? ?
> Sorting thru all of what I have learned from this lists experiences,
> service manuals, parts men, etc. here is what I want to get.
> A new,4-row, 2-5/8 thick core H x W to fit of course by 69 F350. Modine
> has a model 2304 like this. Supposedly is for 73-79 HD cooling 460FE towing
> pkg, etc, etc.
> Before I can consider it price-wise, I have to ask your opinions. The
> best wholesale discounted price I can find is
> * * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
> Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
> Is there a new radiator this size that is less than this ?
> I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions for
> cheaper places to buy ? Anyone bought this size or this model ?

I just bought a three row core for $190, from a local kragens (in-stock
item). I was quoted $350-ish for a four row, special order. Since I was
ready to leave on vacation (with truck), I opted for the three-row.

Trade 'ya my old three row for your rusty rims :-)

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:32:18 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

Don-

Thanks for the explanation- makes sense now, and I had no idea "shevy"
would bolt up like that. I guess we can agree on one thing- If Joe wants
to do this he should get a new axle! ;) :) :)

Thanks for putting up with me- I'll keep my mouth shut for a while!

Tony
tony pscico.com
www.pscico.com/~tony

>Well Ok I did leave out one style but I thought it was only on the EB's. For
>a couple of years (not sure which) the open knuckle used a bearing with a cap
>kind of like a Dana 60 (Don't even get started, there are some differences
>....
>---
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
>
>63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:34:58 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

>A new,4-row, 2-5/8 thick core H x W to fit of course by 69 F350. Modine
>has a model 2304 like this. Supposedly is for 73-79 HD cooling 460FE towing
>pkg, etc, etc.
>Before I can consider it price-wise, I have to ask your opinions. The
>best wholesale discounted price I can find is
> * * * * * * * $ $ $ $ 2 8 0. 0 0 * * * * * *
>Can this be possible ? ? ? Mama Mia ! !
>Is there a new radiator this size that is less than this ?
>I cant believe these prices I got today. Has anyone any suggestions for
>cheaper places to buy ? Anyone bought this size or this model ?
>Jerry


I bought a new 3-row for my '71 F100 (390) about 2 years ago.
The 3 row was $180 and the 4-row was almost $300...

Steve
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:35:00 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

>How many quarts of oil should you pour in a 360 FE? The Spec books say 6
>with filter change, which puts the oil level on my dipstick at the last "l"
>in "Full." I tried 5 quarts 2 hundered miles ago, and it read exactly full.
>Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I know my coolent isn't leaking
>into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil still smells, feels, and looks like
>new. Any ideas?
>
>Ken Schneider

My FE390 takes 5 quarts with filter change.
I agree with Pat, a bad fuel pump diaghram can leak fuel into the oil
and raise the level. Happened on my uncles 302 bronco a couple years ago.
Does the oil smell gassy?

Steve
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:35:01 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE's & Gas Milage

>My carb does sound like it is running a little rich at idle. Everything is
>rebuilt or new, motor, tranny, 9" pig assembly & axles. I do have some kind
>of headers on there, not sure which kind, they were on it when I bought it;
>Dual exaust with some $20 turbo mufflers (I'm guessing). I did replace the
>30 year old coil with an Accel Super Stock, and a set of Accel Blue 8mm
>Sprial Core Wires. The Distrubutor is a Standard Blue Cap, with copper
>contacts. I'm running stock Motorcraft Plugs gapped at .035. My original
>distrubutor was loose, so installed one from a 74 360 that had a 2bbl, c6,
>but 3.00's. It's a stock rebuild, I don't have A/C, or do a lot of hill
>driving. Mainly Interstate Driving at 70. I am using a flexfan, and no
>thermostat. (Summer driven only, got pissed off after installing the motor,
>and on 2nd trip it overheated. Same therostat that worked a year ago.
>Weird.). I don't have any oil/gas/tranny/rear end leaks, Dad would kill me,
>so that's out. I rebuilt the carberator last year. I've got about 1000
>miles on the rebuild since the 1st of the month.

Too low of a coolant temp will kill gas mileage.
I'd start by putting a thermostat in it...

Steve
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:59:17 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

I thought I would jump in here. Joe, the answer to your question is no. You
will need a new front axle. I had the open knuckles on my 69, but as Tony
says, the pivot points for the steering knuckle are different. The earlier
models have the "trunnion" setup (which I must have changed about 8 times
because of a big heavy winch I used to have in front), and at least by 74,
they had switched to the ball joint style (100% better design). By the way,
the 74's were still running drum brakes. They may have changed in either 75 or
76.

So, Joe, hunt around for the newer axle, and be sure to grab the track arm and
the track arm frame bracket at the same time as these are different between
the earlier and later models. Also, you'll need to update your tie rods to the
78-79 style, you pretty much don't want the 76-77 style. The pitman arm from a
78-79 rig will fit on to your older steering box, which will allow an easy
conversion to the newer stuff. If you find a 78-79 rig (don't forget, all of
the stuff from a 78-79 Bronco will work just as well), compare the tie rod
setup to yours and you'll see how the drag link attaches below the pitman arm,
rather than above, giving a better angle.....Your older tie rod will not fit
into the newer steering knuckles as the tapers are a different size (the newer
models are bigger).....

The swap is worth it! Now, once you get this done, let us know, and we'll get
you set up with power steering.....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:21:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:40:47 +0000
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

> Where was I at, oh yea the big problem with using Ford calipers and
> brackets is that you must also change the spindle and knuckle, so
> your axle must use ball joints. Ford disk parts use 5 bolts in a
> pattern so that they only go on one way. Look at some of the disk
> brake conversions for the EB's and most of what they use will work
> for 1/2 tons as well.

Can't remember how many holes it has but I have a drum brake and disk
brake version of the dana 44 and the 5 wheel lugs are the same of
course but the spindle bolt circle is different and the parts do not
interchange at all so you would have to replace the whole yoke assy
from the ball joints out. They both have ball joints though which
makes the axle housing interchangeable so I have a spare housing but
not spare spindles or yokes (I do but I mean my third axle or second
spare axle won't help me much) :-(


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:31:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:35:40 -0400
> From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 question

> WEll it seems like i started war and still have no answer ...
> its a 68 4WD dana 44 I want to swap 76-79 Dana 44 disc brakes
> onto my dana 44 drum brake rear????A yes or no answer will work to
> this question...Also anybody have a dana 44 front end for sale? --

Has anyone picked up on the fact that he's asking about a dana 44
rear, not front? Does a dana 44 rear axle have full floating hubs?
I'm going to do this with a ford 9" one day but not right away :-)

If the rear axle is not set up full floating then I see no way to
easily convert with front hub parts of any kind?

Are the holes in the axle housing yoke the same location and size
etc. on a truion bearing axle as on a ball joint axle?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:39:32 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 44 Question - Again!

Hey Joe,

I was just thinking.....I know that the steering knuckles and pivots are
different between your year and the newer ones with the discs, but, upon a
little reflection, I'm not absolutely positive that the AXLE is different! The
reason I say this is that if your upper axle mount has a "threaded in" taper,
and the bottom has just a taper only, you MAY be in luck....It would be worth
your time to see if you can find the upper and lower ball joints (maybe just
an entire steering knuckle) from a local yard off the newer model and see if
it will fit into your axle housing. Theres a chance it will work....

You are exactly at the stage I was while trying to mount the F-250 HD
spindles, etc.up to my F-150 front axle. Some people said it would work, and
others said it wouldn't. So, I just bought a few of the parts from the yard,
took mine apart, and tried it out myself....(it did work great, by the way)...

So, it appears that the real answer to your question is: I don't know! The
real reason I had changed my 69 front end to a newer model was that I had bent
the housing while dropping off a dune at Pismo Beach....I swapped in a 74 at
the time (roughly 15 years ago), but just recently swapped that one out for a
77. At the same time, I changed to the 3/4 ton spindles, etc....

So, Don, do you know for sure if the receiving pivot mounts on the housing are
the same???

Colorado Jeff




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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:07:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - questions on DANA 44

> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:12:23 -0400
> From: Tony Marino
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - questions on DANA 44

> swapping as a possibility, I was just mentioning that I didn't think
> that possible 'cause of the difference in the way the spindle
> attaches to the axle.

And I agree, I don't think trunion bearing axle housing yokes are the
same as the ball joint versions so the knuckles won't fit anyway
right?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:08:15 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 f100 project truck

Thanks to everyone for all their help so far.......

Disk brake/ Power steering conversion:

I got the king pins and the "new" spindles in. Unfortunately, I broke the
switch on the prop. valve trying to get the lines out....bummer. Back to the
bone yard. I grabbed a booster from a 78 bronco and swapped the linkage.
Grabbed a vacume port off a 78 fl50 6cylinder motor and screwed it right into
my 352!

The gear box will almost bolt in but I will need to notch or bend the motor
mount some. Of course the fuel line has to be right there so I guess I'm
going to have to drop it before I pick up the torch.

By the way, The seat is at an upholster along with the visors and arm rests.
I'm getting them all covered to match my truck for $400.00.

By the way, Has anyone ever put up the white peg board headliner?

Dennis Thanks again to all

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:33:15 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag

I surrender!!!!!!!

Here is the scenario. It is 105 degrees F outside. I've been running the
interstate at 70 mph with the air conditioner on (of course). The 160
degree t-stat shows the needle to be about on the "O" in "NORMAL" on the
stock gauge. SWMBO decides she wants a cone at the next Mickey Dees. There
are at least 12 other saps in front of me. As I sit in the line, that temp
needle starts climbing and climbing until it gets right to the edge of the
normal zone, never quite going into the hot zone. At this point in time,
the air coming in my grille is probably about 140. After it passes the air
conditioner condenser it's probably about 160. (I once had a Buick that had
a temp sensor just inside the grille. I am not making these temps up.)

Question: Would a 195 degree thermostat cause a lower temp gauge reading in
the drive-through or woukd the truck overheat? (I know the answer, since
it's my truck and I have performed the experiment.)


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:44:28 EDT
From: POLING4 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Pedal Question

I have a 77 F-150, 4 speed on the floor, the brake pedal does not return after
applying pressure to the brake pedal. Does anyone know what might be the
cause of this?
I can return the brake pedal to the correct position by pulling up on the
brake pedal after braking. Please help. POLING4 aol.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:21:59 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag

>Here is the scenario. It is 105 degrees F outside. I've been running the
>interstate at 70 mph with the air conditioner on (of course). The 160
>degree t-stat shows the needle to be about on the "O" in "NORMAL" on the
>stock gauge. SWMBO decides she wants a cone at the next Mickey Dees. There
>are at least 12 other saps in front of me. As I sit in the line, that temp
>needle starts climbing and climbing until it gets right to the edge of the
>normal zone, never quite going into the hot zone. At this point in time,
>the air coming in my grille is probably about 140. After it passes the air
>conditioner condenser it's probably about 160. (I once had a Buick that had
>a temp sensor just inside the grille. I am not making these temps up.)
>
>Question: Would a 195 degree thermostat cause a lower temp gauge reading in
>the drive-through or woukd the truck overheat? (I know the answer, since
>it's my truck and I have performed the experiment.)
>-John

The truck will still overheat with a 195...
Once the temp is over 200, then either thermostat is fully open and
out of the picture.
Overheating at idle is nearly always a sign of inadequate air flow thru
the radiator. Especially with air conditioning You need a good stout
fan and a shroud that fits well. I'm sure everyone knows by now how much
I like a good electric fan setup... It's been over 105 here the last few
days and I can sit and idle indefinately and the temp stays in the
"happy zone".
You have a working coolant catch tank right? It helps keep the coolant
degassed and little air bubbles from getting getting stuck on the surfaces
of the block and radiator. Redline "water wetter" helps keep bubbles from
forming, and also increases the heat transfer properties of the coolant.
We've had the "glycol/water percentage" discussion, so I won't go there
again, but it's cheap to try using less glycol and a bottle of water wetter
so You might try it if You get bored. It doesn't make a big difference, but
it does make a difference in the right direction... It made a noticable
difference in mine on hot days before I went to the electric fans.
If You've got a good fan shroud and the rad is clean, it sounds like a more
serious cooling fan is gonna be required.
If You've got a fan clutch, make sure it's working properly...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:53:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Pedal Question

> From: POLING4 aol.com
> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:44:28 EDT
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Pedal Question

> I have a 77 F-150, 4 speed on the floor, the brake pedal does not
> return after applying pressure to the brake pedal. Does anyone know
> what might be the cause of this? I can return the brake pedal to the
> correct position by pulling up on the brake pedal after braking.

There should be a pedal return spring as well as the spring in the
booster to push it back up. Look under the dash where the brake
pedal mounts and you should see a spring or where it was supposed to
be at least.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:54:41 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag

> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:33:15 -0500
> From: "John LaGrone"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - cooling wars/white flag

> Question: Would a 195 degree thermostat cause a lower temp gauge
> reading in the drive-through or woukd the truck overheat? (I know
> the answer, since it's my truck and I have performed the
> experiment.)

195 will run cooler on hot days and warmer on cool days :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:09:53 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?

> From: "Ken Schneider"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Oil... How Much?
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:53:53 -0400

> it read exactly full. Now it reads on the first "l" in "Full." I
> know my coolent isn't leaking into my oil, and at 250 miles, the oil
> still smells, feels, and looks like new. Any ideas?

If you drive infrequenly then water can build up and do this. I had
a 67 352 that did that but it was driven very infrequently. The
other possibility would involve smelling the dip stick for gas which
may indicate a bad fuel pump diaphram.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:01:04 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

how about $400 for a small bike radiater? about 280 is what i payed for a
modine for my 77. one shop wanted over $300!

i know the price sucks, but a radiater is no place to skimp and my
understanding is the foreign ones are not as good even though are alot
cheaper.
sleddog

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From: Jerry[SMTP:jerryrepka unidial.com]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 9:37 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RADIATORS - AN OPEN INVITATION

Gentlemen -
Today was my day to waste my entire 8 hours at work trying to get an
estimate on replacing my radiator and finding out if there were any options....


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