61-79-list-digest Sunday, July 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 364



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id
Re: FTE 61-79 - Able Truck Wrecking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle play
FTE 61-79 - RE: Kickdown
RE: FTE 61-79 - A shoulder to cry on
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock kickdown adapter
FTE 61-79 - Underheating?
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering
FTE 61-79 - RE: A shoulder to cry on
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 67 Wiring Schematic
FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse
Re: FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse
FTE 61-79 - Auxiliary transmission?
FTE 61-79 - Get Well Henry
FTE 61-79 - RE:Thermostats and Heat Transfer
FTE 61-79 - RE Compression ratios
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id
FTE 61-79 - Deacon
FTE 61-79 - Reverses
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering
FTE 61-79 - Marko's Awakening
RE: FTE 61-79 - Marko's Awakening
FTE 61-79 - Advice on dealing with Ins Co. (was Shoulder to cry on)
Re: FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse
FTE 61-79 - FW: TWISTED TRANNY ID
FTE 61-79 - Re: Left front '65 fender.
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - 3-pt. seat belts
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: June Archives
FTE 61-79 - BIG show
Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: TWISTED TRANNY ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 19:09:09 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id

>Marko Maryniak wrote:
>
>> If your reverse is UP, you have a Warner T-18 four speed.
>>
>> If your reverse is DOWN, you have a New Process 435 four speed. The NP 435
>> is heavier.


> I hate to say it, but I think you're wrong. I have both trannies in
>different trucks and both are over to the right and down.
>
>Ross Henjum


Indeed? My T-18 is to the right and up. (forward)

Steve
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:40:49 EDT
From: Toydually aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Able Truck Wrecking

Hi Norm,

I am a Plant Manager for an automotive interior manufacturer, and presently I
am researching the Ford trucks for 1957-66 to duplicate the interiors to
original. Because of demand, I am going to begin with the 64-66 Ford pickups
standard interiors, and then the custom cabs. It was also an option for the
standard cabs to be able to order the custom cab interiors. I will, when the
project is complete, be able to duplicate the seat upholstery, visors, door
panels, and headliners. If you are interested, and have the originals, I
would work with you on replacements for your 66.
I am also looking for original upholstery, visors, door panels, and headliners
from 1957-66 for duplication.

Brian

p.s. I also own a 65 f-250 camper special custom cab with a bal. & blu. 4v
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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:56:34 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle play

At 09:09 PM 7/3/98 , Steve wrote:
> ground. I grabbed the wheel and pulled it in and out about... 1/8"!!
> I looked at Scott and said, "hey man, Your axle has a lot of play in it"
> and let the truck down. I told him if He finds out what's wrong with it to
> let me know, cuz mine is that way too. Then I left...
> I know the kinda guy he is. He's probably got it all apart right now saying
> "what the ....?"
> So now I don't know what to think. It doesn't seem right to me, and I don't
> know if it's "normal", but it seems like it might be common...
> Sigh...
>Steve

I pulled the left axle on my truck today to check to see what spline axles
I have (so I can get a 3rd member from a junkyard to rebuild and stick in
the gears I want then swap it out). Anyway, the axle had about 1/8" of end
play. I should have broke out the dial indicator, but forgot. This rear
end is the original and has roughly 250,000 miles on it and never been
opened. The bearing was in good shape and the race was nice and smooth -
no pits or scrapes or anything. It was in good shape considering when I
bought the truck there was about 2 cups of gear oil in it. It's even 31
spline.

Looking at the axle and looking in the manual, there should be *some* end
play. If there wasn't, the bearing wouldn't last very long.

Mike

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 21:09:47 -0600
From: dcbeatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Kickdown

Bill Ballinger Wrote:

>Both of the ones I've been involved with were Che*vys, one with a stick, and
>the other so trashed that all he wanted to do was get it running(that one
>defied all logic) so I can't advise you.

>Just felt like having a good rant....probably from working on Ch*vies....


That would do it.

Does anybody else have experience with the E-brock and factory kickdown??

Thanks,

Drew
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:45:17 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A shoulder to cry on

John wrote:

He has insurance, BUT I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE:
the insurance man is going to tell me that Henry is an old truck and isn't
worth anything to anyone but me. I fear that they will total him for less
than what I can fix him for.

Well, John, I don't know if it would play on 'the other driver's' insurance
or not, but maybe this will help in the future. My first love is
restoring/restifying old Datsun Z-cars (the truck is to haul parts, etc.).
I have mine insured on what is called a 'stated value' policy. If you put a
lot of work into a vehicle (of some collector's value help's further) keep
all your receipts, and have it appraised (go where you will get a good one)
and then you can have it insured for the appraised value rather than normal
book. (I am using this right now, for two weeks ago a retaining wall
collapsed on top of my '71. Since the same insurance co. denyed the
homeowner's claim, I am gonna play this to the hilt - "Bondo? There was no
bondo to begin with, there won't be any when it is done! And the hatch lock
is trashed, that means ALL lock cylinders must change to stay keyed alike!)
In the case of a '79 truck, it would at least assure being at the top end of
things. Maybe you could back into this one by having it appraised as it's
value before the crash by a specialty shop and then confront the insurance
co. with that info if need be.

Jim Elliott



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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 22:31:03 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock kickdown adapter

Hey, Drew...
I put an Edelbrock carb on my '73 F100 (360 cid, C6 trans). I went
ahead and bought the adapter, which made the hookup super easy even for a
shade-tree hack like me. You could probably fabricate one, but why
bother?
The previous owner of this truck burned up the tranny because of a
maladjusted (stock, not Edelbrock) kickdown linkage, so I did NOT want to
screw up the linkage when I did the swap. Think of the "official"
adapter as cheap insurance. Besides, Vic needs the money! ;-)
Good Luck!
lordjanusz juno.com

'94 F150 (300 ci) '73 F100 (360 ci) '97 Saturn (wife's car)

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 20:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Underheating?

Hey folks!
Seems like we recently beat the subject of overheating to death.
Now for something completely different: Underheating! My 75 360 seems
to run too cool. Both the factory and a (questionable) aftermarket
temp ghauge confirm this. Even with a new 195 'stat I get very little
heat in the winter. It just never seems to heat up. I have the factory
flex fan and shroud. I've seen the gauge hit 180 after shutting off,
then drop to 140 soon after a restart!
At one of our Olds club chapter meetings we had noted expert Pat
Goss speak. He's the guy from the PBS show Motorweek and runs his own
shop in the DC area. WELL, he said since the 360 is basically a big
truck motor it came equipped with a flex fan that moves SO much air
that it really can't heat up in a light truck application.
So, to put that theory to the test I tried running the 360 flex
fan on a 77 F250 400-2V. Guess what? Same temps as an ordinary
aftermarket flex fan (200-ish) and good heat in the winter!
What gives? Why does the 360 run so cool?

75 F100 std cab LWB 360/C6/3.50
77 F250 supercab Camper Special 400/4spd...long gone :(
68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
plus some non-Ford stuff too...egads


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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:27:12 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering

I recently finished converting my 67 F100 2WD from 240/3spd, manual drum
brakes and manual steering to 302/C4, P/S and power disc brakes (thanks again
Ken!). Everything has been working fine for the past month or so until this
evening. I noticed that the steering wheel would pull towards the left off
and on. It would start usually when accelerating the engine, like on takeoff
from a stop light or getting on the on ramp of a highway. When I got home I
started to check the fluid level in the P/S reservoir, P/S fluid was coming
out of the dipstick/filler tube. The steering wheel still wanted to go
towards the left. Then fluid started spewing from around the pressure fitting
on the pressure hose at the pump. I then shut down the engine fearing a fire,
because it was spaying P/S fluid right on the exhaust header tube. I
initially thought it was the steering valve in the steering box was hanging
up. But now I kind of suspect that the P/S pump may be the culprit. I'm
using type F trans fluid in the pump. I used new hoses when I installed the
P/S. I'm pretty sure the steering gearbox is the Ford (off a 71 F100 2WD) and
the pump was out of a 70 Torino. It hasn't been leaking, and I did bleed the
system with the wheels off the ground. The pump did seem a bit noisy even
after bleeding, kind of a 'moaning' noise when turning the steering wheel.
Any thoughts or ideas?

Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:27:11 EDT
From: CATLN7 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: A shoulder to cry on

On Friday, July 03, 1998, 1:15 PM, John LaGrone wrote:
>
>Dear FTE list members,
>
>Less than a year ago I finished 18 months of intensive restoration on Henry
>including new paint and new interior. He went from fading flaky silver to
>snazzy white with red guts. People would stare in parking lots. My
>sister-in-law thought that I had bought a new truck. He only has 70,400
>miles on his bashed-in body.
>
When the insurance company tried to total my 68 Cougar, they offered $800 to
settle. My agent suggested having an appraiser look at it to determine it's
true value. I did and forwarded a copy to the other insurance company. They
settled for what the appraiser had quoted, less $600 for me to keep my "cat."
Hope this helps and good luck


Chris Thompson
67 F100 302/C4 finally!!!
68 Cougar DGS 302/C4
82 Merc LN7 1.6L/4sp
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:29:06 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 67 Wiring Schematic

James, Thanks I'll order up schematics for a 67 then, my truck didn't have any
options except the am radio.... but it does now !


Mike in Seattel
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:05:47 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse

Hello all,
I have a 1968 F250 with a T18, and "reverse" is located to the far right and
forward (I think newer models were to the right and backwards).

Michael

"Old Red" = 1969 F250 4x2, tired 360, auto, regular rear axle (just finished
upgrading to power disc brakes... HUGE increase in braking performance!)

"The Green Beast" = 1969 F250 4x2, pb, factory air, new 390 4 barrel (with
extras), T18, Dana 60 Trac Loc Posi with 3.55 gears (in serious need of a
high perfomance clutch and pressure plate).

What's left of "Old Blue" = 1968 F250 4x2 (in a back bedroom inside baggies
and boxes)


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Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 23:40:46 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse

Michael White wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have a 1968 F250 with a T18, and "reverse" is located to the far right and
> forward (I think newer models were to the right and backwards).
>

Yep

> What's left of "Old Blue" = 1968 F250 4x2 (in a back bedroom inside baggies
> and boxes)
>

I should put a picture of my 58 F-250 up. It would beat baggies and boxes
anyday :)
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Don Grossman
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:28:55 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Auxiliary transmission?

Azie, what exactly are Auxiliary transmissions? If they are what I think
they are then it might be a solution for my F500 gearing problem. The
rear end ratio is 6.20 and the tires are 7.50 x 20 and 36 inches in
diameter. I ran some calculations to get engine rpm at different speeds
and this is what I came up with.

1000 rpm = 17.28 mph
2000 rpm = 34.56 mph
3000 rpm = 51.84 mph
4000 rpm = 69.12 mph
5000 rpm = 86.40 mph

These numbers are based on the transmission being in forth (1 to 1
ratio). The engine produces max h/p at around 1500 rpm. So this would
leave me with a top speed of around 35 mph! That figure would be
consistent with my forced experience (don't ask.) It would also explain
why the engine has a governor on it.

Jon E. Purut
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:33:25 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Get Well Henry

>Less than a year ago I finished 18 months of intensive restoration on Henry
>including new paint and new interior. He went from fading flaky silver to
>snazzy white with red guts. People would stare in parking lots. My
>sister-in-law thought that I had bought a new truck. He only has 70,400
>miles on his bashed-in body.

John,

You and your friend have my and most certainly everyone else on this list's
sympathy for sure. I'm really sorry to hear about this. You put everything
into your project and some dope louses it up. People don't
understand(besides us)how much it bothers you. Of course, most people don't
understand why we restore old trucks either.

I've been through the insurance thing myself. Just stand your ground, and
don't think that the first offer is the last one. They will negotiate. If
you can't get satisfaction, sue everyone. When the owner of the molester
gets a civil summons they will (in most cases) get their insurance company
to reconsider their position, especially if they carry a couple of cars and
homeowners with them. I think they'll likely fix it without a hassle. If it
were an old work truck you might have a problem, but yours is obviously in
good repair, and like a new one cosmetically. I'll bet they'll take care of
it.
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:49:49 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Thermostats and Heat Transfer

>1. Those of you who insist on a 195 thermostat are correct. If your cooling
>system is working the way it should, then 195 will work very well. Yousould
>only get a slight increase in temperature as conditions change, then the
>cooling system should stabilize at its operating temperature. 195 degree
>thermostats were intriduced in the 1968 model year. Not coincidentally,
>that was the same year of the first pollution control devices. Pollution
>control is the only reason thermostat temperatures were increased.

I, in my experience have not had any trouble with overheating with a 195
t-stat in a healthy system either. Here are a couple of my reasons for using
it in my stuff.
Purely unscientific.

It provides a shorter warm-up period. The engine gets up there quicker and
makes my defroster work. I work evenings, so I use it a lot more than most
people.
I run short trips for the most part, so my strategy includes a 195 t-stat
and keeping the system clean, and in tip-top shape so that if asked to run
100 miles it can do it.

Cleaner emissions due to the above. Why do I drive an F250 4X4 and worry
about emissions? I'm just that kind of guy. Anything I can do to get the
engine warmed up and off the choke quicker will result in lower emissions,
and better driveabiity. I don't like having to qualify to my passengers
i.e. "she's a lttle cold-natured" every time I wake it up under 60 degreees
ambient. The Q-jet I run provides a wonderful idle and light throttle
mixture, but the electric choke (this would apply to any electric-choke
carb)is made to have a short warm-up since it comes on everytime you start
it. If it's around 60-70 degrees out and you park it for 1/2 hour you have
to be careful not to flood it, because the choke closes the same as when
sitting overnight. If it doesn't hit the first time, you have to invoke the
unloader, just like it is flooded. From 75 degrees up it is no problem. You
just wouldn't want to have to increase the choke spring tension at all, like
you would if the warm up were longer. So, as short a warm-up cycle as
possible is necessary to run in the choke's "comfort-zone."

I don't have scientific data to back this, but I think that water pumps
would like it better. Pumping that cold heavy mixture has to be more work.
The pump itself would do better getting up to temp faster. There should be
a little reduction of scale in the system since you are circulating a warm
stable mixture sooner, and the cold stuff less. It will hold a warmer
mixture in the block and keep it warm for when you run in and get a few
things at the store. Just my thinking though.

I don't intend any of this to be a refutation of anything you've said,
merely a statement of what I think from my experience.
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 06:46:30 -0700
From: Tom&Carol Hogan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE Compression ratios

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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:55:52 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - compression ratios


Hi Tom,
thanks for the response.......

I remember the "long rod" thread from this spring
and I found the first part of the HR article, "The engine that Ford
should
have built", that you mentioned but I couldn't find the conclusion that
was
supposed to be in the next months issue....frustrating.

later,
dale c
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Dale,
They didn't print the conclusion yet. There was a lame excuse in the
reader's letters section about why they haven't completed the series
yet. I think it's just more confirmation that "Hot Rod" is primarily a
ch #$ magazine. Ford articles probably don't pay as well as ch^%
articles do.

Funny thing though. I was going through some back issues of "Hot Rod"
from the 80's and I found an article promoting the benefits of long
stroke/short rod motors. Whatever it takes to sell print right?

I always take these mags as extended advertisements for the companies
featured or advertised in them, but I would like to try the long rod
idea if I had the extra cash.

Tom H.


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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 11:08:35 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id

My T-18 is to the right & UP

Jim Henjum wrote:
>
> Marko Maryniak wrote:
>
> > If your reverse is UP, you have a Warner T-18 four speed.
> >
> > If your reverse is DOWN, you have a New Process 435 four speed. The NP 435
> > is heavier.
> >

>
> I hate to say it, but I think you're wrong. I have both trannies in
> different trucks and both are over to the right and down.
>
> Ross Henjum
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:06:30 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon

>DEACON.. how you been??

Where've you been? We were starting to think you'd left us. It's those
California girls aint it? Summertime in the sun,... to be lotion man, and
on thong patrol... ;-)
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:11:15 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Reverses

> I hate to say it, but I think you're wrong. I have both trannies in
>different trucks and both are over to the right and down.

I think that they changed the T-18 in the early '80's to an over and down
reverse. I've seen it in an '84 F250. Sorry that I don't have exact years.
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 15:19:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering

At 12:27 AM 7/4/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I recently finished converting my 67 F100 2WD from 240/3spd, manual drum
>brakes and manual steering to 302/C4, P/S and power disc brakes (thanks again
>Ken!).

Glad to know you found the article useful!

Ken

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:36:48 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Marko's Awakening

>My truck is now in the best of hands now, and I am happy not to have to
>worry.
>Just p*sses me off knowing that some twerp tried to pull a fast one on me.

A couple years ago, I did the dirty side of a '65 tri-power 4-speed GTO. I
rebuilt the suspension, front and rear, pulled the body off and preserved
and painted everything. It wasn't a concours restoration (I'd love to do
one someday)but a nice clean semi-flat black job with good sturdy metal and
undercoating. That car is set forever if it stays out of the salt. I went
through the electrical system and got everything working. My brother-in-law
builr the engine and trans, and a comepletely restored interior followed. We
had so much labor in it that we wrote some of it off to preserving a fine
car. It ran and drove like a dream. So powerful, and handled so well

The body needed quarters and one front fender. The body man ran a little
one man shop and was supposed to be the best in town. It took the guy two
months to do the body and paint it. It cost $5000. It made me sick when I
saw it. The drivers door shut flush on the first latch, and to get the
second one we had to slot the pillar behind the latch! The passenger side
quarter had a visible sag to it, which matched the paint which sagged too in
a foot long spot along the bottom! The left front fender was hitting the
hood! Utterly disgusting!

It is hard to find a good metal and paint man these days, and it will get
harder as the good ones retire. Almost everything that gets torn up now
either goes out the door hacked up or it goes to a junkyard. If you can't
change a panel it's either totalled or should be considered so. I'm not
saying all shops are bad, it depends entirely on the work-ethic of the guy
doing the work. Metal work is labor intensive, no bones about it. But if
they say they can do it, in my book, they need to take the time to do it
well. That seems to run counter to the way things are nowadays.

Sorry for the non-FTE content, but Marko I'm glad that you saved yours in time.
Our '67 F100 will have to see a good surgeon someday, my son Billy and I may
have to do it ourselves, he's getting pretty good on my father-in-law's flux
welder.

That old girl will be a labor of love too.



Come on over to my Back Porch
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:24:02 -0600
From: "Branscome, Walter, J. SSG"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Marko's Awakening

I know what you mean. Body shops must not like GTO's. I had a 64 in the
70's that all that was needed was the front end re painted after an
engine fire had cooked it real good. I took it to three different body
and paint shops who screwed it up. 2 of the said that they could fix the
others mistakes but only made it worse. I ended up taking it to my high
school, handing the keys to the and a blank check to my old teacher and
said "Make it pretty". 3 weeks later I had the deepest darkest Metal
Flake Blue GTO in the city. You would have thought I'd spent about 2 or
3 grand on it but it ended up costing me about $60 for the paint and
another $45 for the pizza party I threw the guys that did the work.


> It is hard to find a good metal and paint man these days, and it will
> get
> harder as the good ones retire.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 15:34:51 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Advice on dealing with Ins Co. (was Shoulder to cry on)

Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:15:09 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A shoulder to cry on

Deepest sypmathy on your loss.

I know how you feel because in February my 66 F-100 was molested by a
peice of Jap Crap driven by an Idiot with with severe cranial anal
inversion syndrom. (head up his butt) Luckily my Daughter and her
fiancee, suffered only minor injuries. The idiot rear ended my Effy
while adjusting his radio, Effie's rear bumper was bent under, her
tailgate was warped beyond repair and she was spun around and thrown
into a pole thus ruining her chrome front bumper, and bouncing the fan
into the radiator.. Effie was driven home, the piece of Jap Crap was
towed to the scrap heap.

Then the real problem began, dealing with the other guys insurance. They
of course thought that since I live in the sticks and drive an old truck
that I was just some dumb**sed redneck driving a junker. They thought
they could screw me good. The adjuster even told me during our first
phone conversation that my 66 couldn't be worth more than $600. Ten
minutes after I was off the phone she called my 17 year old daughter and
offered her a $500 settlement telling her that that should cover all her
medical bills and leave her a couple hundred to spend. Daughter told her
to stuff it. (Daddy didn't raise no fool)

In the end I got $1800 from the ins company, several local body shops
estimated the damage at $1500 to $1700.
Daughter's medical claim is still unsettled.

( I never saw anyone from the Ins company face to face, not even the guy
who appraised my damage, it was all handled over the phone or by mail)

Now some advice.

Don't get all upset and yell at insurance idiot, no matter how much they
deserve to be yelled at.

Speak politely, and make sure they understand that your truck is not a
junker but a restored classic.

Speak softly, and make perfectly clear that if they don't deal honestly
you will get a laywer.

I mailed the adjuster, a photo of my truck before the accident, that
showed her that it wasn't a junker.

Gather any receipts you can on things you have done to your truck,
parts, paint job, etc..
Send copies to the ins idiot.

Gather some advertisements from national advert magazines, like
Hemmings, or Old Car Trader which are trying to sell trucks in similar
condition to yours before the accident. Mail or give them to the
insurance adjuster.
(In the end, what the ins co's appraiser sets the cost of repair at will
probably be deciding factor, but if they know in advance that you know
what your truck is worth the appraiser will probably give you a better
price)


Call your insurace agent, If you have full coverage, they will fix it
and then get their money out of the other company. ( This is the easiest
solution, I couldn't use it because I had only the legal basics +
uninsured motorist.) My Effie is just about completely fixed when she's
finished I plan to get stated value coverage.

Find experts in your area who can appraise your truck accurately, and
are willing to write a letter to the insurance company if necessary.

Speak politely to the ins idiot.

Speak politely to the ins idiot.

Be pleasant with the ins idiot.

Don't choke the ins idiot. (no matter how much they may deserve it)

The Insurance adjuster I dealt with really was an idiot, who richly
deserved to have her butt kicked. If the fact that she made it obvious
at the start that she intended to give me nothing for my truck isn't
enough, the fact that she offered my daughter $500 total settlement
should prove it. They may have left me with an unfairly bad impression
of insurance people in general. The company I dealt with was one of
those which sells to people who have DUIs and such and can't get
insurance anywhere else, That may have had something to do with my
difficulties.

What started out looking really bad, turned out to be OK, I've got just
about every thing fixed, Even found a factory original rear bumper, got
a new radiator, replaced a few things that needed it and had enough
extra money to buy a 5 horse 20 gallon air compressor and some tools to
use with it.

If you have any specific questions email me, I'll be glad to give any
advice I can.

>John Wrote
>Less than a year ago I finished 18 months of intensive restoration on Henry
>including new paint and new interior. He went from fading flaky silver to

>The policeman that took the report was very sympathetic to me. My neighbor
>received a citation. He has insurance, BUT I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE:>
>the insurance man is going to tell me that Henry is an old truck and isn't
>worth anything to anyone but me. I fear that they will total him for less
>than what I can fix him for. So, fellow FTE members, say a prayer or have a
>kind thought for Henry and I. I know it's only a truck, but I feel like
>part of me has died.
>
>Sign me,
>In mourning



- --
Been there, :(
Bill Adams
1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!


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Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 17:13:36 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T18 and reverse

Don Grossman wrote:

> Michael White wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > I have a 1968 F250 with a T18, and "reverse" is located to the far right and
> > forward (I think newer models were to the right and backwards).
> >
> Yep
>
> > That could well be. I forgot to mention that my T-18 is on a '79 F150. I
> guess the older ones are different. Sorry.

Ross Henjum

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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 23:34:26 -0400
From: "."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FW: TWISTED TRANNY ID

- -----Original Message-----
From:. [SMTP:jerryrepka unidial.com]
Sent:Saturday, July 04, 1998 12:06 AM
To:'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject:RE: TWISTED TRANNY ID





I am going to vote with Marko. I have been driving on a T-18 for 5 years
and I have it sitting next to me as I type this and reverse is definitely
UP ! ! !
Jerry


Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:02:49 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id

Marko Maryniak wrote:

> If your reverse is UP, you have a Warner T-18 four speed.
>
> If your reverse is DOWN, you have a New Process 435 four speed. The NP
435
> is heavier.
>

I hate to say it, but I think you're wrong. I have both trannies in
different trucks and both are over to the right and down.

Ross Henjum




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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:31:03 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Left front '65 fender.

Anybody got access to an undented left front fender for a '65 F100? I have been looking around and the pickings are slim.
So far everything I have seen has been dented or rusted out so bad I can not use it. It seems to be a common problem that
these fenders are dented right at the top of the flared curve by the grill. Wonder why?
Anyway, color is not important as I will be stipping it down to bare metal.

Thanks!

- -=DENNIS=-
65' F100 302 NP435.

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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 16:37:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:

- - Several pictures added to pictorial (let me know if I missed yours, I
have a bunch of pictures that I lost the original email to!).
- - Rotary Lift article added to the tech articles page.
- - Several links added.

The new products pages are nearly complete and will be up tomorrow
night! This will feature products which are available at a discount to
Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members and web site visitors. Items
covering all years will be featured. If these pages do well we'll be
able to expand our free services. Web space has been tight so we
haven't been able to do some of the things we've been wanting to.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:44:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3-pt. seat belts

Howdy!

Has anyone ever tried putting a 3-pt. seat belt system on a 61-66
F100? I have seen several advertisements for these seat belts, but I am
not sure if the sheet metal in the cab of my '63 is strong enough. It is
either go with this type of system or a regular lap belt system. Any
comments or suggestions?

Thanks.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
h: 409-775-0737, w: 409-845-4623, fax: 409-845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso



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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:05:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: June Archives

June list archives are now on the web site. This
includes the new Performance list archives.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 20:31:55 EDT
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - BIG show

Anyone going to Iola, Wisconsin this weekend?
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Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:51:57 -0600
From: Rab Rawlins
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FW: TWISTED TRANNY ID

. wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: . [SMTP:jerryrepka unidial.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 1998 12:06 AM
> To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: TWISTED TRANNY ID
>
> I am going to vote with Marko. I have been driving on a T-18 for 5 years
> and I have it sitting next to me as I type this and reverse is definitely
> UP ! ! !
> Jerry
>
> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:02:49 -0500
> From: Jim Henjum
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: twisted tranny id
>
> Well I think it's obvious they went both ways. I have 2 1977 Crew Cabs.
> An F-250 4x4 w/ a NP435 and an F-250 2x4 w/ a T-18. Both are down.

Question: Chequed the oil in my 1977 Crew cab 300 six the other day and the
oil dipstick was all banged up and bent. Scratched my head and straightened....

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