61-79-list-digest Sunday, June 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 357



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Making a '78 F150 into an F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating
Re: FTE 61-79 - e-mail, eze-outs, fuel gauges, and air conditioners
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver
FTE 61-79 - oil draining, a/c vibration
FTE 61-79 - Heat
FTE 61-79 - 9" rear chunk
FTE 61-79 - Cruise 0 matic
FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal
FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way
FTE 61-79 - ken & peggy thing
RE: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C
FTE 61-79 - ????????
FTE 61-79 - Body Code "81" in Ford Red Book
FTE 61-79 - ID Numbers for '65 F100 explained
FTE 61-79 - Overheating
Re: FTE 61-79 - ID Numbers for a '65 F100
FTE 61-79 - 57-63 (?) 8' "Style" Side Bed Needed
FTE 61-79 - Re: FE cams and me
RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Question
FTE 61-79 - Quadrajet on 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C
Re: FTE 61-79 - 57-63 (?) 8' "Style" Side Bed Needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Making a '78 F150 into an F250
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way
FTE 61-79 - Different types of Underdash A/C'???
FTE 61-79 - re: fte 61-79 running hot
FTE 61-79 - More A/C Questions
FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out
FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??
FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver
Re: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out
Re: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??
FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out
Re: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:22:44 -0700
From: "Douglas W. Hack"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Making a '78 F150 into an F250

I'm in the process of putting all of the F250 parts from a wrecked 78
standard cab longbed(6800GVW) onto a 78 F150 extended-cab shortbed. I'm
planning to buy a wrecking yard driveshaft to complete this. A C6 is
coming out and a T-18 4-speed going in. The engine changes from a
351M(with a bad crank) to a 400M.

I'd like input on how to get the rivets out of the rear spring mounts,
and what to replace them with. I'd also like to hear about any strength
differences between the two chassis that I should beef up while I'm at
it. All of the front end parts look identical to me. Does anyone know
for sure if I can just swap the 250 front rotors/hats onto the existing
spindles/calipers? Has anyone dealt with California registration and
smog rules on a swap like this?
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:42:21 -0700
From: Charles Morley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overheating

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> OK a couple of things here, first someone please explain how anything, much
> less antifreeze can "lubricate" a sealed bearing of the type used in water
> pumps.

I don't know how it lubricates, I can tell you, following a car on the
race track that loses coolant will give you the ride of your life, if
you happen to hit. That stuff is slickery.

Charles
Phelan Ca.(where it often gets below freezing in winter)
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:10:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - e-mail, eze-outs, fuel gauges, and air conditioners

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, John LaGrone wrote:
> I got to practice with the eze-outs yesterday. Two of the bolts that hold
> my air conditioner compressor broke off inside the compressor. I have
> always had problems with vibration from the compressor. Last night I
> decided that I was missing a brace from the intake manifold to the top of
> the compressor, so I fabricated and installed one. I'll see if it helps.
> Can someone with an intact 351M in a 79 or so tell me if there is a factory
> brace here?

John....My Ford '79 Light Truck Shop Manual shows the compressor
on the 351M (and 400 CID) engine sitting on a somewhat square
plate (bracket) with what is refered to as a "Brace Assy" along
side the compressor that holds the "idler pully assy". That's
all I can see from the drawing.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:23:55 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver

So I borrowed a few pics fromthe pictorial. The result so far is pretty
good. The only problems noware, is there a demand for it from the list
etc. and do any of you mind me using the pics on the web site?

You can also use mine..both of them!
Chris Kelly
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil draining, a/c vibration


a couple of comments on past subjects...

Oil Drain Plugs...

might work ok...but when replacing a 302 with a 351W a few years back
the front sump pan had a drain plug directly over the cross member...
it was a simple solution to braze in a nipple (and screw in a plug)
dead center in the front. This worked perfectly...cost 50 cents. The
'72 truck was high enough in front that I'd back the truck up on two
bricks in the back (not necessary if you drain on a slope) and unscrew
the plug...ALL the oil drained...no problem..no messsy crossmember to
clean...

A/c vibration

had the same problem with a York compressor on the 351W...they are not
a smooth running comp anyway..the belt span between the comp and the
crank was excessive..someone (can't remember who) made an after
market idler pulley that bolted on to the waterpump &a/c bracket...
that stopped the problem.. It also kept you from having to pull the
belt down so tight it ruined the bearings/bushings in the compressor
or original idler

just some thoughts that might help

john

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:10:03 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heat

Jay Branscome writes:
off. Then the temp guage goes up. But as soon as I start it it's back to
normal. This is only after I have hit the 70's and 80 on the higways in 100
degree Texas heat.


Hey guys ! ! ! ! This is normal.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:12:48 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 9" rear chunk

Duke writes: >>So if you can find a chunk that has the correct gear that
your looking for , say 3.50, then all you have to do is swap it? This
really sounds simple is it?


Side gears must have the correct splines for your axles. All 9" chunks are
bolt in's for any 9" housing.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:32 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cruise 0 matic

Dennis P.

I've also had a few of the Cruise o matics and never had a problem with
them. I can't remember if the Cruise o matic had the allen screw in the
vacuum modulator or not, but if it did , then this could have been part of
the problem. I did have the kickdown linkage come off at the transmission
once on a '67 galaxie w/Cruise o matic and it shifted very irregular for a
few days until I could have time to get it up and check it out .
Reinstalled the rod into the lever and repinned it and everything was back
to normal. I had very good luck with them.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:30:16 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal

John P. writes:
The truck just developed this problem after being parked for a while, so it
can't ~possibly~ be caused by the actuating rod being out of adjustment as
was suggested. My guess is that the springs INSIDE the master cylinder are
weak and won't return correctly, or the insides are just gooked up. Will
let you know what happens whne I change the master cylinder :)

The pedal should return when pressed even if you have the booster and the
master cylinder off of the vehicle. I would venture to guess that a little
oil or WD 40 stragetically placed on the pivot points of the pedal and
where the rod is attached to the pedal might free it up. The spring in the
cab is the key to a pedal return - not the master cylinder/booster.


Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:31:35 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way

John,

Sometimes the brake pedal not returning quite all the way is due to the
master cylinder starting to go out. When you release your brakes the
pressure should bleed back into the cylinder pushing the rod back, which
pushes the power booster rod, which pushes the pedal back up. If the master
cylinder is starting to wear out, a little of the back pressure will bleed
around the cups causing the rod to not go completely to the rear. Not too
clear I know, but my brain is a little foggy right now and I can't think of
all those technical terms to make it sound good.

Stoney

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:48:23 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ken & peggy thing

Thought you might be interested to know about these types of questions.
This is a Donor and the only one that has asked.

I'm also sending you a copy of my response to him

Have a nice weekend.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.
- ---------------------- Forwarded by Azie Magnusson/HNT/Chrysler on 06/26/98
03:42 PM ---------------------------


jniolon uss.com on 06/26/98 02:08:00 PM

To: am14 chrysler.com
cc:
Subject: ken & peggy thing




Azie,

never heard any more about the gifts for Ken and Peggy...

did I just miss it ?

Have yall done anything yet ?

what kind of response did yall get ?

john



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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:55:36 -0500
From: "Archie J. Cleckler"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Archie J. Cleckler
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 8:02 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of JJJJJGRANT aol.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 10:24 PM
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C
> >
> >
> > i'm not sure where you're at but i have two trucks 69 f100's for
> > sale and both

Sorry Guys, I blew this one (meant to be off-list to Jeff) when I forgot to
change the address.

Big-A
'87 Escort
'74 F-100 in the process of becoming
'79? F250 4X4 351M, C-6, etc. A.K.A. "Parts Is Parts"


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:51:28 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ????????

I just screwed up and sent something to the FTE list that doesn't belong
there. I apologize to all.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:58:21 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Body Code "81" in Ford Red Book

>
>281= (sticking neck out here) 2=blue interior 81=chassis cab
>
I just wanna point out that this is one area where the Ford Red Book falls
right on it's face. I have a '61, a '64, and a '68 Ford pickup and every
one of them has body code 81. NO WAY were they all originally chassis cabs
and somebody put a bed on each one (especially the '61 - it's a UNIBODY).
I have another book, Ford ID Numbers, that correctly identifies 81 as
"Regular Cab". Just wanted those of you with Red Books to be aware of this
typo, snafu, or whatever it is.

_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:26:04 -0700
From: "William E. Riley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ID Numbers for '65 F100 explained

For Jeffery Miller,
Sometimes the manufacturers have parts left over and the carry them into
the following years. Your ID niumbers according to my 65 shop manual are
broken down as follows:

F10= Series and first two digits of series designation
J=Engine code J=6 cyl 240 cid (1V)
N=Assembly Plant Code N= Norfolk Va
674890=Consecutive Unit number(April 1965)(end of model year)

115=Wheelbase
F=color code My book doesn' show F color code
F100=Model
2=Interior Trim Code(Blue Vinyl)
81=Body style(Conventional Cab)
A=Transmission code(3-Speed Ford standard duty)
09=rear axle code 3.70
5000= max G.V.W. lbs
129 4000=129 Net horsepower at 4000 rpm
22=District code(Charlotte)

Also, according to the manual the Official Serial Number is stamped on the
right frame side rail approximately 24 inches forward of the number 2
crossmember.

I hope this info helps.

Later Bill

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:36:10 -0700
From: "Douglas W. Hack"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overheating

There is one possible cause of high-speed overheating that hasn't been
mentioned yet - On an engine with no fan clutch - I've heard that in
some rare cases it is possible to have a rapidly spinning fan actually
slow the air flow through the radiator. This effectively reduces the
total cooling capacity. The aerodynamic explanation for this is beyond
me.

As far as the symptoms Don G. has mentioned, I would not ignore the
temperature rise at speed - yes a modern high-pressure cooling system
can go to well over 212 degrees without boiling (and does during
heat-soak), but the thermostat is designed to hold the engine at a
specific design temperature - 195 in this case. To have the temperature
go substantially higher indicates something is wrong somewhere, and
increased engine wear/cumbustion chamber temperatures go with it. If
you then take this truck, put a heavy load in it, and start climbing a
long grade on a hot day with the throttle wide open, the temperature
will go even higher - and possibly damage the engine. The margin of
safety that pressure and coolant gives doesn't mean we can ignore
symptoms of insufficient cooling.

The higher freeway speeds require much more power and generate more
waste heat. (The increase in heat is proportional to the square of the
speed.) The higher temperature readings indicate that the increased
waste heat generated is not being removed fast enough by the cooling
system. If you test a thermostat with a thermometer in a pan of water
on top of a stove, you see that there is a very narrow temperature range
in which the thermostat goes from closed to wide open. If a vehicle
shows an inability to hold pretty close to a constant operating
temperature, either the thermostat doesn't work right, or the total
cooling capacity is insufficient.

There have been a lot of good responses about all the different things
that can reduce cooling capacity. According to the Ford shop manual for
1978 - radiators were available with 2, 3, or 4 rows of cooling fins. I
think there was also a super-cooling option with 4 rows plus a larger
area core with an over-size header tank (I have a radiator that matches
this description in a '78 F-250 400M with dealer-installed air.) I had
some high-speed cooling shortages on a '78 F-150 351M with
factory-installed air that were taken care of with a heavy-duty flush,
new thermostat, new coolant and a coolant-overflow recovery bottle.
This was a three-tube radiator which was marginal for summertime freeway
driving in the Sierra mountains of California. If I had used this truck
for towing or heavily loaded, I would have had the radiator re-cored
with four tubes.

I've had thermostats that didn't open fast enough, or that wouldn't open
all the way. Neither of these is as obvious as a stuck thermostat.
I've also purchased brand-new thermostats that didn't work right from
the factory. Thermostats are cheap, easy to replace, and easy to test -
I always compare new to old in the boiling pan of water.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:21:43 -0400
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ID Numbers for a '65 F100

> To all of you's guy's who replied:

You guy's are gods! Thanks for all the info. You have no idea how much better
you'vemade me feel about buying the correct part. Thanks again!

Jeff


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3rd Degree Black Belt
Chief Instructor
Winged Dragon Karate Club
Email: sifu erols.com
Website: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~SifuJeff/index.html


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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:28:45 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 57-63 (?) 8' "Style" Side Bed Needed

Having failed to find this particular piece locally, I thought I might
give you guys a shot...

I believe this bed was used from 57-63, it is the *really ugly* 8 foot
slab sided one, with a step-side style tailgate that has latches and
chains that rattle around. I still want it because I think ugly makes
the truck look tough. I have only seen 2 around here but they were
unfortunately for me both installed on running trucks.

I am in Northern California.

Birken
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:06:24 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE cams and me

Bill,
Thanks for the reply on the cam question. guess that probably what I'll do unless I
find a problem when I get it on the road.
Thanks,
Tom
Lookin' to the weekend in Reno,NV

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:03:50 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Question

Speaking of P/S questions, is there a difference in column lenght between
the different p/s gear boxes used? I have a 68 F-100 and it has a Bendix
box. All I can find are Ford gear boxes in trucks at the junk yards. Will
a column work from one of those?

Ken Schneider

68 F-100 360, C6

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:01:38 -0500
From: "Brett"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quadrajet on 460

Hi, I've got a 76 F250 4x4 with a 460 and I'd like to put a qjet from a
1980 camaro on it. The 460 manifold is a spreadbore and the qjet is also a
spreadbore but the mounting holes don't line up. I was told there is an
adapter out there to allow this but the ford throttle plate holes don't
match up with the qjet throttle plate holes. I'm assuming this wouldn't be
optimum. Has anyone done anything like this? Is there a certain manifold I
should use or does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks for any help.

Brett
76 F250 4x4 460 and 38's

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:05:00 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering Question

I just pulled a column from a 73? f150 I don't think it's original but it was
bolted up to a ford ps box......I'll measure the length for you if that will
help.

Dennis
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:22:20 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C

i still have them,most of the interest i've had has been from millions of
miles away,i
haven't advertised them localy,but i plan to next week.
i'm sure the ac could be put in a 78,this is an underdash unit.the 78
used a
indash set up.
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:56:14 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 57-63 (?) 8' "Style" Side Bed Needed

Vogt Family wrote:

> Having failed to find this particular piece locally, I thought I might
> give you guys a shot...
>
> I believe this bed was used from 57-63, it is the *really ugly* 8 foot
> slab sided one, with a step-side style tailgate that has latches and
> chains that rattle around. I still want it because I think ugly makes
> the truck look tough. I have only seen 2 around here but they were
> unfortunately for me both installed on running trucks.
>
> I am in Northern California.
>
> Birken

I remember seeing one in a small time junk yard in the next town up but
that was about 2 years ago and I haven't been back since. If I get up
that way I will take a look. If Steve D. can get to Pick N Pull, it
seems they always have something old in there.
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:07:11 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Making a '78 F150 into an F250

Douglas W. Hack wrote:

> I'm in the process of putting all of the F250 parts from a wrecked 78
> standard cab longbed(6800GVW) onto a 78 F150 extended-cab shortbed. I'm
> planning to buy a wrecking yard driveshaft to complete this. A C6 is
> coming out and a T-18 4-speed going in. The engine changes from a
> 351M(with a bad crank) to a 400M.
>
> I'd like input on how to get the rivets out of the rear spring mounts,
> and what to replace them with.

First off you shouldn't have to remove the rear hangers. But if you do I
found the best way is to get out the torch and blast the heads off and some
of the center of the rivet. You can then take a punch and a good size
kabammer and knock them out. This is how I got the hangers off my 77 and
63. I replaced the rivets with 1/2" grade 8 bolts. They are a little
bigger than the rivets. I do not know what the rating of a rivet or a
standard grade 8 bolt are. Number crunchers can step in here....

> I'd also like to hear about any strength
> differences between the two chassis that I should beef up while I'm at
> it. All of the front end parts look identical to me. Does anyone know
> for sure if I can just swap the 250 front rotors/hats onto the existing
> spindles/calipers? Has anyone dealt with California registration and
> smog rules on a swap like this?

Which truck do you have a current registration on? If the F-150 is the one
you are keeping just make sure the 400 has all the smog equipment for a 78
F-150. It should be all the parts off the 351M. The 250 is a low GVWR so
it might already have all the equipment it needs. Most smog shops just
look at the door tag and go from there.
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:12:26 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way

Melayne Arnold wrote:

> John,
>
> Sometimes the brake pedal not returning quite all the way is due to the
> master cylinder starting to go out. When you release your brakes the
> pressure should bleed back into the cylinder pushing the rod back, which
> pushes the power booster rod, which pushes the pedal back up. If the master
> cylinder is starting to wear out, a little of the back pressure will bleed
> around the cups causing the rod to not go completely to the rear. Not too
> clear I know, but my brain is a little foggy right now and I can't think of
> all those technical terms to make it sound good.
>
> Stoney

I had an F-150 that I dismantled that had the same problem. The pedal would
not come up and the front calipers would drag and over heat. It has sat for
about 2 years before I picked it up. After checking the calipers and such the
only think that I could come up with was that some rust might have developed
in the master cylinder. I disconnected the booster to make sure it wasn't
pulling from engine vacuum and that checked out ok.


Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:05:40 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Different types of Underdash A/C'???

Group,
maybe someone can help me..I just found 2 trucks 1-67 and 1 71-
that have 2 differnt types of under dash A/C????the 71's engulfs the
whole glove box and has a small storage area on the bottom which has
also a small magnetic door to close it...the 67 does not go into the
glove box ....Is one an aftermarket??or dealer installed???The A/C
lines also go through the firewall at different areas the 71 go
through the middle of the firewall(truck is a 6 cylinder do the lines
run the same for an eight??) and the 67 a/c lines run down below
the heat hoses...Which one would be better to add to my 68?????I also
noticed the 71 has A/c controls in with the heater controls the 67
doesnt??
Sorry its so long...I'm just shocked to find 2 trucks here in PA with
Air....

- --
Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://web.p3.net/~shoman
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:41:02 -0700
From: bill dunn
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: fte 61-79 running hot

Sorry if the answer to the running hot problem has been solved, but I
have been on vacation and a little behind on the posts but what the
- ----- here is my .0002 cents worth. I remember back in the 60's reading
the results of the Chrysler contest they have every year for upcoming
mechanics, one of the problems they had to solve was a car that ran
normal in the city but did overheat on the open road. The problem was
that the lower radiator hose was missing the spring from the inside to
keep it from collapsing when you are at high speed. The purpose of the
spring is to keep the hose from collapsing when the water pump is ran at
high rpm and pumping extra water. The problem with the Chrysler was the
lower hose would collapse at high speed and block water flow. Just a
thought.

Bill Dunn

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:51:25 -0400
From: "Warren Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More A/C Questions

I have a '78 Ford F-100 that had the option of dealer installed A/C. The
only thing that have had to start with was just the evaporator and the black
box that it goes in with the fan attach and it also had the expansion valve
still attached. I bought all the parts I needed to install the A/C. When I
took out the black box I notice that it had some cracks and chunks of
plastic missing so it is not repairable. The evaporator looks like it was
not use much and I can see through it. What is the best way to clean the old
evaporator? One question is does Ford sell that box if I cannot find it at a
junk yard? Are the boxes different from year to year? Another is when I
compared the expansion valve with the one I took out they were different
even though I ask for the dealer installed expansion valve from Auto-Zone.
The new one had only two openings and the old had four for hoses. I took it
down to Auto-Zone and guy said it looks like an H-block that d*dge uses he
referred me to auto A/C specialist which I have not checked yet. Also how is
the A/C setup I noticed that the expansion valve that was in it had the wire
to sense the temp from evaporator was broken off and there was another wire
coming from the controls for the air that went to the evaporator. The
controls are labeled as OFF,ON, CITY, HIGHWAY what is the difference between
the city and highway controls does one get colder than the other? Any help
would be great.


Warren A.
Hot and smoky Florida
'78 F-100 351M C6



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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:19:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out

Howdy!

Well today I made a big mistake...I over tightened the hold down
bolt for the distributor on my 292. I have never tapped out a broken
bolt. Does anyone have any pointers for me? What type of tools do I
need? Should I buy one of does regular tapping kits from the auto parts
store or should I get fancy?

Thanks in advance.

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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
h: 409-775-0737, w: 409-845-4623, fax: 409-845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu, url: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ee.tamu.edu/~cardoso



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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:07:35 -0400
From: "Bob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??

Quick couple of questions for the group...My carrier bearing in my '78
extend cab is going out, and it set me to wondering, first why is it even
there, what does it really do, and second has anyone ever replaced the two
short drive shafts & carrier bearing with just one long drive shaft?? If
so did you have to have it made or did you use some other type of shaft.
My truck is a '78 F150 Super Cab with the M400 & C6 tranny.

Thanks

Bob

'52 Ford F1 flatty
'78 Super Cab
'76 Nova 350 honest its stock, well....
I refuse to drive a car or truck with a computer
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:12:50 -0500
From: Brett McCoy
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver

Ken Wrote,

>Unfortunately, it can't work that way. Well over half the pictorial
>submissions are not from list members but from web site visitors who
>want to show off their trucks. This is why I put "Do not redisplay
>these pictures without prior consent from the owners!" on the pictorial
>index pages. These people will never see your posting. Also, what about
>the members who are on the other lists but not this one? They'll never
>see your posting either. It would be best if you contacted the owners.
>I put their email addresses on the pictorial. There are a few without
>email addresses but they are a small minority. We had some problems last
>fall with a commercial site taking pictures from our pictorial without
>permission and its a touchy issue. Some of the members involved didn't
>mind, but some did. Hope this doesn't cause you too much extra work.
>
>Regards,
>Ken Payne
>CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Thanks, for the Feedback Ken. I completely understand. Intellectual
property and all that stuff. I have had the same discussion with others
at my place of work unfortunately many don't understand. Guess I was
just so excited about getting this together that I forgot the first
commandment of web management. "Thou shalt ask before thou usith". So
for everyone else please keep those emails coming that will let me use
your photos. I am keeping a list just to be on the safe side. I should
start working on the "real" thing in the next day or so.

Ken one other thing. YOu have not mentioned if you want the plug in for
the web site and our list. Please let me know your wishes. Private
email is fine.

Thanks,
- -B
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:52:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Screen Saver

- -snip-
>
>Thanks, for the Feedback Ken. I completely understand. Intellectual
>property and all that stuff. I have had the same discussion with others
>at my place of work unfortunately many don't understand. Guess I was
>just so excited about getting this together that I forgot the first
>commandment of web management. "Thou shalt ask before thou usith". So
>for everyone else please keep those emails coming that will let me use
>your photos. I am keeping a list just to be on the safe side. I should
>start working on the "real" thing in the next day or so.
>
>Ken one other thing. YOu have not mentioned if you want the plug in for
>the web site and our list. Please let me know your wishes. Private
>email is fine.
>
>Thanks,
>-B

The plug is up to you. If it goes well with the design, go for it.
If it doesn't, no big deal.

- -Ken

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:21:36 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out

Get an easy out kit. They come with the drill bit and the tool to extract the
broken piece of bolt. they really do the trick..........
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:24:02 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out

oh boy here we go again,on removing broke bolts.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:26:48 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??

i spoke with a drive line specialist once about this and over a certain length
a two
piece unit is the only way to go,i can't remember what that length is.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:54:03 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carrier Bearing??

I have Done the drive shaft your are asking about..on a 91 f-350 4x4 super
cab...I made one long drive shaft it measured 6'5.5" long and was over
rec.length by 5.5"
in the spicer catalog using 4' tubing and 1350 u-joints..I never had a problem
with it and I tow a 30 ' trailer and the truck has a blown 460 in it...how
ever I dont have the drive shaft any more due to blowing up 2 13-56
transfercases..now I have a non mated 205 with a shorter drive shaft with 1410
u-joints..this also allowed my to go with a longer frount driveshaft for
better d.line angles....if ya want to see a pic of the truck it is posted in
the 91 truck section..its the red super cab dually 4x4....


Gordon
91 f-350 4x4 supercab blown 460
87 f-350 2x4 dually 460
71 f-250 2x4 crewcab..soon to be 4x4 428
95 mustang gt 5.0
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:39:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - getting a bolt out

I totally forgot that there was a discussion last week or so on getting an
exhaust bolt out. Does anyone have any of these messages saved or the
digests that they are in? If you do can you please send them to me?

Thanks for your time.

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