61-79-list-digest Thursday, June 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 354



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle shims
Re: FTE 61-79 - Price?
FTE 61-79 - Rear springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle shims
FTE 61-79 - Running hot
FTE 61-79 - Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx
FTE 61-79 - RE: concrete blocks
FTE 61-79 - Running hot
Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?
FTE 61-79 - School bus
Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?
FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way
Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?
FTE 61-79 - 6-Bolt Wheels Wanted
Re: FTE 61-79 - History Lesson
Re: FTE 61-79 - History Lesson
Re: FTE 61-79 - camber spec for '71 F100 (final chapter)
Re: FTE 61-79 - pwr stering on '76 4X4
FTE 61-79 - Regearing re-end
FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale
FTE 61-79 - Got me rust free bed!!!
FTE 61-79 - Good parts on East coast...
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale
FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver
reply:FTE 61-79 - Brakes OK-Suspension shot?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver
Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot
Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver
RE: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:15:00 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle shims

>Those shims work great in the back but in the front they can be a pain.
All the
>info on the drive shaft is right but when you think about it your are rotating
>the whole axle. Than then changes the relationship between the top and bottom
>ball joints ( Caster?)

Hmmm. With all the suspension angle stuff I've been doing, I never even
thought about tapered shims in front screwing up the caster...

I guess if there's a problem and You wanna fix it correctly You have to
set the caster angle on the front axle first, shim the engine/tranny to
get it's angle correct relative to the front axle, then shim the rear axle
to get that angle correct with the tranny...
I think I'm glad I've got 2wd...

Steve
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'71 F100 flairside, FE390/T-18.
"The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it."
-- Oscar Wilde

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:20:56 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Price?

At 06:14 AM 24/06/98 PDT, you wrote:
>OK Guys. Question time. Fellow down here has a 67 F100 Ranger for sale.
>Body is very clean with only one rust spot showing on the front quarter
>panel. Bed is dent free paint is in really great shape and the interior
>is also clean. I put the magnet to it and it has no body putty that I
>could find, 120,000K on the odometer. Only drawback I see is that there
>is a leak of some sort at the rear of the engine. Cant get to the engine
>cause he has it chained down. The trucks sitting on a re sale lot. Want
>$4,000 for it. Is it worth it?
>
>Jay B. 1965 F-100 Custom Cab Long Bed
>
>JBMAN100 Hotmail.com
>
Hard to say.

$4k is on the upper end of what I'd pay, thats for sure. You can be sure
that if the fender has rust the inner cab mount will have some rust too.
Also take a good hard look at the inside of the valence.

120k miles isn't that much but 31 years is (I know, I'm 31 too!). Some
parts just don't last that long, and it sounds (from the drip you
described) that the back seal on the crank is going. It figures, it's made
of rope you know.

It also depends on how many of those 120,000 miles were on unleaded gas.
My 67 352 had sockets for valve seats just cause a lot of the miles were on
unleaded.

Check the condition of the kingpins, rearend (it's a 44?), etc. $4k is
really the upper limit and the truck would have to be straight, original,
and really really good.

And at today's rates, that'd be $6k in Canada.

marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:32:34 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear springs

David Butts writes: >>Can I put F350 or F250 springs on my '79 9" to get a
little lift in the back?

Yep!! Must stay within the same years range. Sometime in the late '70s
the springs changed widths. As long as you have a, say '77 F150 and you
try a '77 F250/F350 spring, it should be a bolt in. Take a tape and measure
the width of the spring and the length(follow the curveature here) of your
vehicle. When you go shopping for heavier springs, take your tape measure
and the diminisions with you. You may need to get the U-bolts along with
the donor springs because the length varies according to the # of springs
in the package.

Deacon, I think, did this some time back. Maybe it was someone else. Can't
remember.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:39:48 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle shims

It really sounds allot worse than it is, at least on a part time 4X4 system
with a live axle system . Unless you plan to do allot of high speed 65+ mph
in 4wd it doesn't create a problem. I lifted a vehicle 5" and only used
shims in the front and have had no problems with steering or driveline
vibration. In fact with the shims it steers better than it did when it was
stock height.

Besides...REAL trucks have front differentials! ;-)

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Axle shims
> Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 11:15 AM
>
>
> Hmmm. With all the suspension angle stuff I've been doing, I never even
> thought about tapered shims in front screwing up the caster...
>
> I guess if there's a problem and You wanna fix it correctly You have to
> set the caster angle on the front axle first, shim the engine/tranny to
> get it's angle correct relative to the front axle, then shim the rear
axle
> to get that angle correct with the tranny...
> I think I'm glad I've got 2wd...
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:40:39 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

Ted in Houston writes >>I have a 5 blade factory fan to pull air.

You might be ahead to also look around for a 7 or 9 bladed clutch fan in
your local salvage yard. I think most FOMOCO engines ( least in the
'70's) used the same bolt pattern for the fan to Water pump attachment. I
don't think you will ever see a factory A/C car/truck with a 5 bladed fan.
This with the shroud is going to cure your heating problem, I think.

Azie
Ardmopre, Al.


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:19:10 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx

I hope this is the case. It seems logical. I'll letcha know!
I've parked the truck for the time being. I do have a
spare FE 360 to slide in, but I'd rather have two good
engines than have one and one with warped or cracked
heads.

Thanks,

-Ted
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tfmf211 murphyfarms.com wrote:

> like I said before everything worked fine till
> the condensor was mounted.

You solved your own problem.

I think that at low speed there is not enough air flowing through the
condenser and radiator. The fan shroud should help things a bit.
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:23:26 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: concrete blocks

Thanks Sleddog! Makes sense to me now. I was one very confused
individual for a while.

-Ted
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:34:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Concrete blocks

as the cylinder walls get to thin from overboring you need to give tham
strength, and filling the water jackets does this.

overboring is good in that it gives more room for bigger valves, less valve
shrouding, less friction/cid, more cid, among other things.

it is in all forms of "short racing" such as pulling, drag racing, etc.

sleddog
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:48:54 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

Michael Masse writes: >>if I'm on the highway going above 55 mph the temp
just starts creeping up.

Not enough radiator - insufficient heat transfer - or not enough air being
pulled/pushed through the radiator!!!!.

Is there a build up in the "flues" in the radiator??? May need "rodding"
to clean them out.

Is your shroud correct??? Is your fan sufficient???

T'stat not fully opening???(restricts flow).

All I can think of at the moment.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.





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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:52:29 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?


I'm going to try this one more time...

>OK. Here's a good one. I just came across a 1962 converted school bus,
>B600. The For Sale sign says it has a 352 with "88K Original Miles." The
>engine is NOT an FE block, looks like a Y Block to me. Is there a Y Block
>352?
What is the largest YBlock? I always thought 312.


>The sign says $2450. It looks like a decent camper conversion and I might
>be interested, but why? Something about those 62 Ford Trucks keeps calling
>me...
>


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:53:52 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - School bus

Dennis P writes: >>Is there a Y Block 352?

Not to my knowledge. I'd bet it is an old Y block 361. If the valve
covers are held on by 2 nuts in the center top and about 4" from each end,
then it is a Y block, but then you already said that, didn't you. I think
that 361 is right for those years large displacement Y block. The Lincoln
also ran this displacement/engine for a year or 2 in the late '50's or
early '60's.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:11:52 -0700
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?

At 11:52 AM 6/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I'm going to try this one more time...
>
>>OK. Here's a good one. I just came across a 1962 converted school bus,
>>B600. The For Sale sign says it has a 352 with "88K Original Miles." The
>>engine is NOT an FE block, looks like a Y Block to me. Is there a Y Block
>>352?
>What is the largest YBlock? I always thought 312.
>
>
>>The sign says $2450. It looks like a decent camper conversion and I might
>>be interested, but why? Something about those 62 Ford Trucks keeps calling
>>me...
>>

Look on the front of the engine on the driver's side. Is "352"
stamped on the block?

Ken Payne


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:23:56 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?

>I'm going to try this one more time...
>
>>OK. Here's a good one. I just came across a 1962 converted school bus,
>>B600. The For Sale sign says it has a 352 with "88K Original Miles." The
>>engine is NOT an FE block, looks like a Y Block to me. Is there a Y Block
>>352?
>What is the largest YBlock? I always thought 312.

Yeah, I think the biggest Y-block was 312...
It's been a long tome since I've seen one, but doesn't the Y-block
have the distributor at the back of the motor? Or did I just dream that?

>>The sign says $2450. It looks like a decent camper conversion and I might
>>be interested, but why? Something about those 62 Ford Trucks keeps calling
>>me...

I've always kinda wanted a nice old converted bus/camper. A '62 sounds like
it might be pretty cool if You can get it up and running for mot too much $$.
It's too bad about Jerry, the bus would be just the thing for traveling
around the country following the Grateful Dead...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
'71 F100 flairside, FE390/T-18.
"The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it."
-- Oscar Wilde

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:04:05 -0700
From: John_Waldeck idx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake pedal not returning all the way

To: 61-79-list

Hello,
I just bought a '77 150 supercab 3 on tree w/a 6.
I'm kinda fixing it up and one weird thing is the brake
pedal does not "come back" up all of the way after I stop pressing
on the pedal. I have to pull the pedal back w/the top
of my shoe or the brake light stays on and just a little pressure
remains on the pads (I've tested it while coasting).
I checked the fluid and its ok. Was kinda wondering if it was air but the
pedal doesn't feel
mushy and the truck brakes fine....someone told me it might be the
rear drum springs getting tired....waddya think ??? thanks


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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:42:38 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?

Thanks for your message at 04:11 PM 6/24/98 -0700, Ken Payne. Your message
was:
>
>Look on the front of the engine on the driver's side. Is "352"
>stamped on the block?
>
>Ken Payne

Did that. No. And the engine was clean enough for it to be clearly visible.
Azzie replied that 361 is right for those years large displacement Y
block. The Lincoln
also ran this displacement/engine for a year or 2 in the late '50's or
early '60's.

I'm leaning towards this explanation right now. I looked for some kind of
VIN plate, but only found one for the coach.

It wouldn't be the first or last time someone wouldn't know what he is
selling.
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:46:43 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 62 B600 352?

Thanks for your message at 01:23 PM 6/24/98 -0700, sdelanty sonic.net. Your
message was:
>
It's been a long tome since I've seen one, but doesn't the Y-block
> have the distributor at the back of the motor? Or did I just dream that?

Yes, it is. One of the reasons I knew it wasn't an FE.

>>>The sign says $2450. It looks like a decent camper conversion and I might
>>>be interested, but why? Something about those 62 Ford Trucks keeps calling
>>>me...
>
> I've always kinda wanted a nice old converted bus/camper. A '62 sounds like
> it might be pretty cool if You can get it up and running for mot too much
$$.

It is up and running and (according to the sign which was already incorrect
about the engine) it only has 88K miles!

> It's too bad about Jerry, the bus would be just the thing for traveling
> around the country following the Grateful Dead...

You must have seen my picture...

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:44:17 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 6-Bolt Wheels Wanted

I'm looking for a complete set (six rims) of 6-bolt duallie wheels (7-1/4" bolt circle)
Supposedly used on 1960's F-350s

Can anybody

(a) verify these are the right dimensions and years

(b) find me a set?


They are for another vehicle, but I'm told these may fit.


Thanks in advance...




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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:39:42 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - History Lesson

At 07:08 AM 6/24/98 , you wrote:
>Does anyone know if there is any difference between the 78 & 79 F-Series ???

Here in smoggy CA the 1979's had catalytics while I believe the '78's did not.



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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:02:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIM HURD
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - History Lesson

Rob;......according to my '78 sales brochure, "Rectangular headlights are
standard on Ford Rangers." The Ford Custom had the round lights.
They all got the rectangular ights in '79.

Jim in Central NY
'79 F150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - camber spec for '71 F100 (final chapter)

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> > Steve; was it much of a project to remove those springs? (Don't
> > know if a '71 is similar to my '79.)
>
> It's easy on mine.
> Jack up the truck by the frame until the wheel is off the ground and
> get some jack stands under the frame.
> Remove the wheel. Put a jack under the axle so it can't drop when You
> undo the spring.
> Undo the top shock absorber nut. Remove the big nut that holds the
> bottom spring retainer.

Sounds like my set up. But how did you get to that big nut to
take it off? It is inside the coil, and mine has almost 20 years
of rust on it.


>
> It took me about 2 hours to remove both springs, cut them down, put them
> back in and get cleaned up for a test drive. That's with air tools,
> and I've had that stuff apart before so there was no trouble with the lower
> nut being rusted on. (like the first time) Never-seize...

What was the first time like? Mr. Torch and Mr. Chisel?

Jim in Central NY
'79 F-150 (302!)
'92 Topaz (3.0l)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:58:32 -0500
From: "Nils Gore"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pwr stering on '76 4X4

>Michael Masse writes: >> but upon a closer look, it looks like
>some sort of hydraulic ram. I was just curious what the purpose of this

>It is a hydraulic ram and that is the way you get power assist on some
>models. FOMOCO used that style on their earliest version pwr assist until
>the '78 on 3/4 (F250) and heavier, but I thought my '76 F150 4X4 had the
>integral type. Been too long so I can't be sure.

>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

FWIW, I recently put P/S in my '73; I got a P/S setup (pump, steering
sector, column) off of another '73 (or '74, maybe) that had integral type.

I now have a '64 F100 that needs a new engine, and I want to add P/S to it.
According to the Ford Pickup Red Book, 64's had a P/S option. I'm guessing
it was the ram-type.

I need to figure out a strategy for doing it. If I get a newer engine (302,
351) do I put in "modern" integral steering system? Or should I go for the
ram-type? My hunch is that the ram-type would be easier, and would allow me
to keep my current steering gear/column. I've seen them for sale in some of
the catalogs, though they're not exactly cheap.

Can anyone advise me on the advantages/drawbacks of installing this type of
power steering?

Thanks,

Nils Gore

'73 F100, 302
"64 F100, (to be determined...)
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:57:42 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Regearing re-end

I need some info from anyone who has changed the chunk on their re-end.
I spoke to a guy who has a 66 F100 with a 390 and he changed out the
chunk on his rear end (or his mechanic did) He stated it came from a car
re-end ie LTD or Galaxy 500 or something like that. Does anyone know
what I should be looking for. I have a 352 with C-6 tran and would
really like to make it run better. Less RPM and make the trans shift
properly instead of 1st 2nd real quick and then into third. Help......

Garry

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:11:33 -0400
From: dgerow coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale

For Sale:

1978 Ford F-150 Custom
Blue Paint, custom interior, padded Flareside bed
4" body lift
3" suspension lift
35" BRG tires
American Racing Rims
460 cid - built up, Competition Cam, ported, polished
Edlebrock 750 cfm carb
C6 auto Tranny
Dana 44 front axle, Ford 9" rear.
All 3/4 ton running grear w/ 1 ton suspension
Needs minor work, some brake work and some TLC
Need money for college...not time to fix.
Runs and drives.
I really need to find this a good home.

First $2500 takes it, firm.
email: dgerow stonehill.edu
phone (508) 565-4015
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Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL General Manager
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://wwww.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:18:49 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Got me rust free bed!!!

Well....I received my bed for my 1979 F-350 4x4 today!!! I bought it from
Desert Valley Auto Parts in Arizona for $800.00 plus $400.00 for shipping.
The bed is better than any truck that I have ever seen anywhere. It has the
dual gas tanks, passenger side toolbox, and no chrome. I plan on taking the
entire bed down to the bare metal then prime & paint it as soon as I get time.
It is the best money I ever spent...Hell..they even take credit cards!!!!
They will send you pictures before you purchase any part over $50.00. Check
out there web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dvap.com/index.html
Wayne Grabley
1979 F-350 Ranger Lariet 4x4
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:18:50 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good parts on East coast...

I think that all the heavy duty parts (like Dana 60 front axels) are on the
East Coast because of all the snow we get. Alot of people just by a truck to
push snow around. I wish I could have traded a couple of Dana 60 front axels
for my bed. If my company that I work for gets sold, If that happens I want
to move to Arizona. Man could I make alot of money parting out rust free cars
and TRUCKS. Ship them to the East Coast (land of the red cancer) and make a
bundle. Anyone out there living in Arizona have any good wrecking yards to go
to? Have any phone numbers and addresses? Well Thanks And Take Care!!!
Wayne Grabley
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:56:29 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale

where is it located?
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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:01:51 -0500
From: Brett McCoy
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver

Hi everybody,

I got kind of a cool idea the other day and have been tinkering a little
bit. How would you all like to have our own FTE screen saver with pics
of some of our trucks? I found some software that allows me to create
one without manually coding everything. So I borrowed a few pics from
the pictorial. The result so far is pretty good. The only problems now
are, is there a demand for it from the list etc. and do any of you mind
me using the pics on the web site?

Here is my plan if you all like it. I will create the screen saver and
provide it to Ken to post on the web site. I will include a plug for
our list and or site. I would destrib this under the share ware rules.
You download, you like, send me five bucks or so. I don't plan on
getting rich, but would like to recoup some of the cost for my
investment in the software to build the thing.

Let me know what you think and keep up the good work. I need the
education.

- -B

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:00:21 PDT
From: "bill comstock"
Subject: reply:FTE 61-79 - Brakes OK-Suspension shot?

Just an idea, the proportioning valve may be retaining line pressure due
to grit in line or the valve sticking.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:26:20 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver

So I borrowed a few pics from
>the pictorial. The result so far is pretty good. The only problems now
>are, is there a demand for it from the list etc. and do any of you mind
>me using the pics on the web site?
>
Sounds like a great idea, and I don't mind if you use my truck, if you
want...
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:30:18 PDT
From: "genesis sanchez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx

YES, I'VE CHANGED THE THEROMSTAT.. DOM YOU REAL THINK THE WATER PUMP IS
BAD.....


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>>>> she's running hot in the city, on the hwy she's o.k'
>>>> i've changed the following:
>>>>1) added a/c... started to run "hot"
>>>>2) changed out radiator with a new one "433"....still running "hot"
>>>>3) changed out sending unit ...still running "hot"
>>>>4) added elec. fan in front on radiator, to help no luck...
>>>> i realy would like to know what you guys think......
>>>>genesis
>>>>houston tx '76 f-100 360 long ....
>
>Have you changed the thermostat? If the old radiator was rusted up,
the
>water pump impeller is prolly not any better. Might try a new water
pump,
>or at least inspect the current one. You can hardly find it anymore,
but
>they used to sell a two part engine flush. Two part as in acid and
>neutralizer. I can't tell you where to get some - I haven't seen it in
a
>while. It's powerfull stuff, I think Prestone used to make it.
>
>Mike
>One more thing, make sure the fins in the AC condenser are straight.
If
>they are bent and/or smashed - that could restrict the airflow to the
>radiator.
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:35:45 PDT
From: "genesis sanchez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Re: 76 f100 running hot in houston Tx

NO, I'M NOT LOSING COOLANT..........I'VE FLUSHED THE SYSTEM BEFORE I
REPLACED THE RADIATOR.......


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>Thanks for your message at 05:13 PM 6/22/98 PDT, genesis sanchez. Your
>message was:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>i'm new to the list....
>>>>
>>>> she's running hot in the city, on the hwy she's o.k'
>>>>
> The only things I didn't see that come to my mind are 1)Radiator cap,
>2)Thermostat, 3) Water pump...in that order (least expensive to more
>expensive).
>
>Are you losing coolant?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:38:01 -0500
From: dgerow coal.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 F-150 Monster for sale

Sorry to all, I forgot to post where the Truck is:

For Sale:
Location: Mass...south shore, near boston


1978 Ford F-150 Custom
Blue Paint, custom interior, padded Flareside bed
4" body lift
3" suspension lift
35" BRG tires
American Racing Rims
460 cid - built up, Competition Cam, ported, polished
Edlebrock 750 cfm carb
C6 auto Tranny
Dana 44 front axle, Ford 9" rear.
All 3/4 ton running grear w/ 1 ton suspension
Needs minor work, some brake work and some TLC
Need money for college...not time to fix.
Runs and drives.
I really need to find this a good home.

First $2500 takes it, firm.
email: dgerow stonehill.edu
phone (508) 565-4015

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> where is it located?
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:40:12 PDT
From: "genesis sanchez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

THE RADIATOR IS 19.5" x 26.5" x 2" 3-ROW......FAN BLAD IS 6-BLAD
18".....THE SHROUD LOOKS GOOD.........


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>Genesis Sanchez writes: >> she's running hot in the city, on the hwy
she's
>o.k'
>
>I know you said you had changed the radiator, but your symptoms still
>indicate not enough cooling capacity. Either you haven't enough air
being
>pulled/pushed through the radiator or the radiator capacity is
insufficient
>or the heat transfer is sufficient. Is your shroud correct??? I'm
willing
>to bet that your new radiator is too small, but that's mere
speculation.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:43:56 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver

Use my truck if ya want. I already have it as a screen saver on my
puter.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:04:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

At the expense of getting severly flammed over this hot topic (puns
intended), here is my 2 cents.

Since your problem occurs at highway speeds and not city speeds, I think
you can rule out things like fan blades and shrouds. If your problem is
truely speed related (it could be time related, perhaps you don't spend
hours driving under city speeds conditions?) then I would suggest you
concentrate on these 2 questions:

1. Is there something about my cooling system that prohibits proper
removal of engine heat at highway speeds? I dont think a fan or shroud
would really make that big a difference when the air is ramming through
at 60 mph! I could see where insufficient coolant capacity or flow would
cause such a problem, but you said you aren't losing fluid and have
flushed the system to (hopefully) rid any obstructions. Perhaps the water
pump belt is slipping at high speed?

2. Is there something about my engine performance that is causing
excessive heat build up at high speeds? Think about things like the
timing, or low grade fuel. Maybe the place you fill up at is adding
something to the fuel to allow them to compete with the low gas prices?
Have you re-routed your spark plug wires? I know that sometimes this
can cause induced currents if the wire positions are changed and this may
through off the timing. Any vacuum leaks that could cause this?

I am sure I am going to get lots of comments on how useless these
suggestions are, but it sounds to me like you need to start thinking about
some of the less obvious solutions. If you can stand to do it, try turning
on your heater, full blast (AC off). This may give you enough additional
radiator to keep from overheating. Of course, your cab temperature
would probably exceed 120 F on a hot houston afternoon!!!

Good luck!


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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:17:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

> From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:04:40 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

> At the expense of getting severly flammed over this hot topic (puns
> intended), here is my 2 cents.
>
> Since your problem occurs at highway speeds and not city speeds, I

If this it true I forgot the thread and was out of line, sorry. I
thought it was city driving that was causing the problem?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:23:01 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver

you can use mine too, either of them.

sleddog

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From: Dennis Pearson[SMTP:dpearson ctc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:26 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cool Screen Saver

So I borrowed a few pics from
>the pictorial. The result so far is pretty good. The only problems now
>are, is there a demand for it from the list etc. and do any of you mind
>me using the pics on the web site?
>
Sounds like a great idea, and I don't mind if you use my truck, if you
want...
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1970 Marquis 429
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
!962 Unibody short box (shell) just parked the trailer in my backyard.
It's gonna be a convertible!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:54:08 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Running hot

good advice-just got in on this one, but if it is at speed, then a fan and....


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