61-79-list-digest Saturday, June 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 348



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
FTE 61-79 - Pinion bearing
FTE 61-79 - Front hubs
FTE 61-79 - RE: C-6 Toggling 2 to 3
Re: FTE 61-79 - AUXILLARY FUEL TANKS & SWITCHES
RE: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rake on intakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE cams
FTE 61-79 - re:Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE cams
Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
FTE 61-79 - C6 Toggling
FTE 61-79 - tranny cooler
FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3
FTE 61-79 - Brakes....
Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C - 69 parts truck
FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco vent window handle/latch install...
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New performance list
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco vent window handle/latch install...
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
FTE 61-79 - Correction: ADMIN: New performance list
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to remove broken exhaust bolt
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Sender Fixed, I think...
FTE 61-79 - question on 73-75 A/C

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:30:03 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/

Has some engine weights and a bunch of other info.


OX


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:38:36 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pinion bearing

Mike writes: >>Is my housing trash now that the bearing cup will spin??

Yep!!!!!!

I don't know if anyone else on this list knows of a way to Correct this,
but I would not trust it unless I was confident it was done correctly and I
don't think most run of the mill shops can corrict this.
The melted piece stuck to the pinion bearing race is probably what is
called the spacer, or crimp ring.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:44:41 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front hubs

Draygo writes: >>Do I need to take apart the hub too?

On the '73 thru '79 you have to take the drum/hub off as an assy, I think.
Been a long time, but I'm quite sure of this. I don't know about the '70,
but I suspect they are close to the same.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:44:03 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

You wrote:
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:14:27 -0700
From: gpark cymer.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

My C6, which is in a 77 F150 behind a 351M, has begun to go schizo on the 2
to 3 gear shift.
I'm going along, off the traffic light or stop sign or whatever, and at the
2 to 3 shift, it suddenly decides it wants to be in 2 after all. No, 3rd!
No, 2nd! No 3rd!. Geez.
The tranny was re-built about 5K miles ago. The truck pulls a 1300lb boat
usually.
I'm pretty sure I'm not getting the mechanical kickdown ivolved, cause my
foots not into the pedal at all. The fluid looks OK. It is kind of an
intermittant thing, but it doesn't seem related to temp of the
motor/tranny. Other than that, things are pretty good.
Any ideas on where I should start to look?
Thanks, my Ford brothers.
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I think I have the same problem with mine ('76 390 with a C6). Usually
occurs under very light load and light throttle. Notice it most when I go
around corners or around an up hill corner. At first I thought it was the
rear end since it mostly happened while turning. I eliminated the rear end
as the culprit by shifting from D to 2 when it was happening. With the
tranny locked in 2 it went away. Talked to a transmission mechanic and he
thought it was the vacuum modulator and said that there was an adjustment in
the modulator that would fix it. He also offered to adjust it free of
charge. I haven't gotten back to him yet. I'll let you know what I find
out. He said it wouldn't hurt the tranny so I haven't put a rush on it.

Tom H
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:47:45 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AUXILLARY FUEL TANKS & SWITCHES



By the way Tom H., the front aux tank mounted between the frame
rails on
the L side of the driveshaft starting approx behind the cab and the aft
tank is mounted centered behind the axle housing between the frame rails
in
most of the 73-79 250's and 350's. When you said "end-of-bed", you
meant
the front end, didn't you ?
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No I was referring to the aft tank at the rear end of the bed nearest
the tailgate.

Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:15 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler

Chris Robinson wrote:
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Hi everyone, my name is Chris Robinson and I'm new to the list. I have
a
79 Bronco with a 429CJ and C6,
4" lift and 35" BFGs. Anyway, I'm getting ready to tow a trailer out to

Missouri (I'm in Virginia) and
wanted to install this B&M Tranny Cooler I have. BUT where in the heck
do
I put it! I already have a/c
so I'm hesitant to put another cooler in front of the radiator. Any
suggestions?

Chris R.
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Chris, Does your truck have a cold air snorkel going from the air
cleaner to the radiator support. If it does not look at the driver's
side of the radiator support next to the radiator. On my 76 there are
holes in the support covered by a plate that is bolted to the support.
I've thought this might be a good place to put a trans cooler. Extra
holes might need to be drilled but I think it could be done without
weakening the support. I would probably mount the cooler in front of
the support. Warning: I have not tried this. It is an idea that I
have had and not acted on yet so I don't know if it would work. Check
it out and if you think it is a good idea let us know how it goes.

Tom H
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:59:34 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rake on intakes

At 08:01 AM 19/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken writes and Marko has concerns: >>Your comment got me curious since I
>picked up a medium riser 4bbl intake at the Pigeon Forge show so I just
>checked it out. Its raked. The angle isn't too steep so I suppose and flat
>manifold would work. Or as an alternative, someone could get a 4v spacers
>and have it machined to the correct angle.
>
>There may be some suttle differences in the rakes and if my memory serves
>me correctly the '69 mustang I had with 428 SCJ had a very noticeable rake
>to it(for engine tilted front higher than rear). I later ran this intake
>on a '76 F150 4X4 with no problems. Some engines do tilt rearward more in
>some applications than others, but I would venture to bet that FOMOCO did
>not design the intakes for the same engine family differently between the
>different rake applications.
>
>I think you can run it OK.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

To put this issue to bed: I finally figured out what it was I was confused
about.

If you were lucky enough for your $45 to have found a Thunderbird TRI-POWER
from the early 60's (64 included I think) you would note that this manifold
kept all carbs parallel to the crank, whereas the
Galaxie/Starliner/Sunliner 406/427 tri-power manifold had rake to it.

Oh well. Enjoy your manifold.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:00:51 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE cams

At 09:36 AM 19/06/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>You and Ballinger must be reading the same books, because thats basically
>what he said. I'm certain my 1/4 mile times were much better with the CJ
>cam - no other modifications. Seems that the duration and o'lap were the
>same, but the lift was considerably more on the CJ, but I can't remember
>for sure and I've thrown away all the printed data I ever had on the FE.
>
>If anyone on here has access to some old Ford Parts books, how about
>looking up the P/N's for the cams in the '67GT 390 and the '68/'69
>428CJ/SCJ and see if they are the same. I really want to know.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>

Steve Christ's book "how to rebuild..." has all the cam specs for ALL the
cams. I will look into it over the weekend.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:07:41 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:Help!/Advise/Shoulders to Cry on!

John wrote:

>that was
>untill I found this company out of Houston TX. called Mr. Column, who for
>between $100-300 bucks depending upon how sophisticated your column
>is(tilt,cruise,all that good stuff) will rebuild it like new, paint it with
>original color, and yes even "Guarantee" it, well I guess I should type what
>it actually says on their site

Hey John-

Whats that web address?

Ben Williams
'78 F-250
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:09:25 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on brakes

>Replacing the drum may require removal from the hub, I've never had
>to so don't know for sure but I would imagine that removing the drum
>from the hub will be a challenge to say the least :-(
>

Hey, it really isn't all that hard, but this is what you need:

block of maple/oak to fit over the end of the hub

brass drift

5 pound huey (mini sledge)

earmuffs/eyeguards/gloves

hot wrench

refreshment

Take your hub apart (it's easy, remove the cap, retaining ring, cap backing
plate, actuator ring, hub clutches, and springs) then take out the locknuts
and the washer with the holes in it. Pull the drum/hub assembly off.

Set the drum/hub down on a piece of cardboard on your shop floor. Put your
earmuffs and eyeguards and gloves on.

Then, (you could skip this step but I wudn't recommend it, unless the holes
around the wheel bolts are really clean thru the drum) using the brass
drift and the huey, punch out all the wheel bolts. If you do not wear
earmuffs, you will go deaf. If you do not wear eyeguards, you could go
blind. If you do not wear gloves, you will be surprised at your vocabulary.

Then, heat the drum around where it and the hub meet (i.e. the center
opening of the drum where it slips over the hub). Put the block of maple
on top of the hub, and pound away. It will take some serious banging (and
maybe some more vocabulary) but eventually the hub will go "gong" and fall
thru to the floor off the drum.

Have some refreshment.

Have fun and don't do this late at night unless you don't like your
neighbours. Try not to do this the morning after having some refreshment
either, for obvious reasons. Actually, if you have a friend who is "under
the weather", invite him over for some amusement.


marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:16:32 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question on brakes

At 07:28 PM 18/06/98 -0700, you wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, MC wrote:
>>
>> Ok guys. The other day you helped me figure out what kind of
>> transmission I have (np435) and the transfer case (np203, no...Dana 24,
>> no...Dana 21? was that it? :).
>>
>> Anyway, now I need help with brakes. The truck is a 1970 F100 4x4. I
>> got the back drums off and decided 1 needs replaced and 1 needs turned,
>> but I can't get the front drums off no matter what I do! I have been
>> fighting with this for over 2 hours! What gives? Yes, the adjusters
>> are backed all the way out. Do I need to take apart the hub too?
>>
>> Help! I don't want to pay Les Schwab $325-$700+!!!!
>
>Well, I could be wrong but I think this is still one of the years that
>they pressed the wheel studs into the drum. Unfortunately you do have
>to disassemble the hubs to do the brakes. However, you will only need
>to do it once, and the hubs probably need a little attention anyway.
>Once you have it apart set the hub/drum assembley on a sturdy bench and
>bang out the studs with a soft drift so you won't mess up the threads
>like I once did. Then when the hub falls out of the drum, ream out the
>lug holes in the drum with a round file so they are no longer an
>interference fit, but not so much that they get sloppy. You will have
>backed the studs out of the hub flange some by pounding on them, so turn
>the hub over and put the stud down through an open vise or the hole in
>an anvil and pound it back in. You will know when it is in when the
>hammer bounces back with greater force.
>
>Once you do this you will be able to service your drums without taking
>the hub apart.

Just an afterthought: I wouldn't recommend reaming out the stud holes in
the drums cuz you might easily make them too big. The purpose is partly to
create a tight sandwich and having the drum rattle against the wheel studs
is not a good idea.

Actually, I found that the problem of where the drums got stuck was not
where the studs press thru, but in the center where the seam between the
drum and the hub is. That's where there's a tight fit, and it's supposed
to be tight to keep the drum centered. Clean that area up of rust, but
don't file it or anything. You might want to line the hub/drum mating
surfaces with a little never-seize or something, but the fit will always be
a snug one by design.



marko

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:17:48 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

At 09:44 AM 19/06/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> From: sdelanty sonic.net
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:35:41 -0700
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
>
>> C'mon everyone, I know You've got those motors apart in Your
>> garage! Weigh 'em up and send me the data! 6 cylinders, Y-blocks,

Steve, I dunno about you, but my bathroom scale doesn't go anywhere near
700 lbs!


marko

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:19:03 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

At 09:44 AM 19/06/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> From: sdelanty sonic.net
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:35:41 -0700
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
>
>> C'mon everyone, I know You've got those motors apart in Your
>> garage! Weigh 'em up and send me the data! 6 cylinders, Y-blocks,
>
>You're in for it now buddy! My daughter's going to kill both of us
>when she sees her scale I tried to use to weigh the 460 I had lying
>around...........:-)
>
Gary (where is Deacon when you need him, I can't resist!), I would venture
to guess your daughter doesn't weigh anywhere near what a 460 does.

At least I would hope she doesn't.


marko

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:51:40 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

At 09:44 AM 6/19/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> From: sdelanty sonic.net
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:35:41 -0700
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights
>
>> C'mon everyone, I know You've got those motors apart in Your
>> garage! Weigh 'em up and send me the data! 6 cylinders, Y-blocks,

>You're in for it now buddy! My daughter's going to kill both of us
>when she sees her scale I tried to use to weigh the 460 I had lying
>around...........:-)
>
>-- Gary --

Aww Gary, You made it all flat and greasy didn't You ?
I hope Your barn is comfortable, You gonna have to live out there for
awhile now!

Say, is that new lift of Yours hydraulic? You could put a pressure
gauge in the line and use it to weigh stuff...
You'd have a nice 9000 lb scale! (-:

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:20:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick

> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:24:49 -0500
> From: "Michael R. Masse"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick

> the fill plug, and sure enough, it was dry. I unlocked the hubs and
> went home. I opened up the cover and saw a bunch of shavings, but
> the gears look okay. No big chunks. The spiders and side gears
> look okay also. Then I noticed that the pinion now moves in and out

I hope you plan to confront the mechanic about this? You should
never delve into someone elses work till you've taken them as far as
you can to resolve it without your money. If they don't budge and
you choose not to take them to court then have at it.

Not checking the oil was a mistake if you don't trust the mechanic
but not as bad as opening up the diff after it crashed IMHO :-( You
may have defeated any attempt to get reimbursed by doing that?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:22:47 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

>>> C'mon everyone, I know You've got those motors apart in Your
>>> garage! Weigh 'em up and send me the data! 6 cylinders, Y-blocks,
>
>Steve, I dunno about you, but my bathroom scale doesn't go anywhere near
>700 lbs!

Actually I was rather hoping that people who have motors apart could
weigh the parts individually. Most bathroom scales goto 300 lbs and
I doubt any single part weighs that much. A 460 block might be close.
I doubt an FE block weighs more than 200 lbs...

Steve
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Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:22:49 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE cams

>>If anyone on here has access to some old Ford Parts books, how about
>>looking up the P/N's for the cams in the '67GT 390 and the '68/'69
>>428CJ/SCJ and see if they are the same. I really want to know.
>>
>>Azie
>>Ardmore, Al.

>Steve Christ's book "how to rebuild..." has all the cam specs for ALL the
>cams. I will look into it over the weekend.

Ahh, I just looked and the Ganahl book has them listed also...
Hmmm, it appears that 2 different hyd cams were used in the 390GT

#C6AZ-6250-A Application: 67 390/428, and 69 390GT.
Duration: 256/256 Lift: .438" Overlap: 37d

Hmmm, that doesn't look particularly performance oriented...
The GT390 cam I'm familiar with is the second one listed:

#C6OZ-6250-B Application: 66/68 390GT, 68/70 428CJ.
Duration: 270/290 Lift: .481"/.490" Overlap: 46d

*That's* the cam I think of when someone says "GT390/428CJ", and
the only cam listed here for the 428CJ.

The open/close events are in the book also, but I better get
back to work now...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:26:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

> From: gpark cymer.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:14:27 -0700
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

> My C6, which is in a 77 F150 behind a 351M, has begun to go schizo
> on the 2 to 3 gear shift. I'm going along, off the traffic light or

If the kickdown lever is adjusted wrong or caught on something so
it's held down it could have this effect or the modulator might if
you either have a bad vac line to it or the modulator is bad. Low
oil level will do this also but you said you checked that, right?


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:31:25 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler

> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:37 -0400
> From: Chris Robinson
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler

> Hi everyone, my name is Chris Robinson and I'm new to the list. I
> have a 79 Bronco with a 429CJ and C6, 4" lift and 35" BFGs. Anyway,
> I'm getting ready to tow a trailer out to Missouri (I'm in Virginia)
> and wanted to install this B&M Tranny Cooler I have. BUT where in
> the heck do I put it! I already have a/c so I'm hesitant to put
> another cooler in front of the radiator. Any suggestions?

On my van there was an unsused area to the right of the radiator with
nothing behind it so I cut a hole in the radiator support in that
area and mounted it there. I believe the trucks and broncos have
similar areas which could be used.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:42:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:19:03 -0700
> From: Marko Maryniak
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

> Gary (where is Deacon when you need him, I can't resist!), I would
> venture to guess your daughter doesn't weigh anywhere near what a
> 460 does.

Naw.........she's on a diet. That's the problem, we got rid of the
Toledo scale a while back and I tried to use the bathroom scale she's
down to now.............:-) (hope she doens't see this post :-( )

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:29:14 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 Toggling

I don't know too much about trannys but I had a 71 do the same thing on
me a few years ago and it turned out to be as simple as replacing the
vacuum hose to the modulator valve.Never had a problem with it after.
Jake in B.C.
65 f250 camper special(flat black and still going)
351c
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:37:16 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tranny cooler

I have mine mounted in front of my rad and haul a camper around up
moutain roads.I haven't encountered any problems.
Jake in B.C.
65 f250 camper special(flat black and still going)
351c
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:51:24 -0600
From: dcbeatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

If it worked fine before and just went ape, I'd check the modulator and
vacuum. A maladjusted/broken modulator can act like this if I remember
correctly.

Hope this helps,

Drew
dcbeatty rmi.net

>Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:14:27 -0700
>From: gpark cymer.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Toggling 2 to 3

>My C6, which is in a 77 F150 behind a 351M, has begun to go schizo on the
2
>to 3 gear shift.
>I'm going along, off the traffic light or stop sign or whatever, and at
the
>2 to 3 shift, it suddenly decides it wants to be in 2 after all. No, 3rd!
>No, 2nd! No 3rd!. Geez.
>The tranny was re-built about 5K miles ago. The truck pulls a 1300lb boat
>usually.
>I'm pretty sure I'm not getting the mechanical kickdown ivolved, cause my
>foots not into the pedal at all. The fluid looks OK. It is kind of an
>intermittant thing, but it doesn't seem related to temp of the
>motor/tranny. Other than that, things are pretty good.
>Any ideas on where I should start to look?
>Thanks, my Ford brothers.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:29:22 -0700
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes....

Thanks to everyone that responded about my brakes. I got them apart
today and they looked ok, but since I was there anyway I replaced the
shoes & wheel cylinders, repacked the wheel bearings, replaced the lock
rings and seals in the hubs, and lubed up the front end. Now I see that
I need to replace a ball joint too! Once I get that fixed and the rear
brakes done, Jabba the Truck should just about be ready for the beach on
the 4th of July!

- --
Draygo
Insert something cool here....


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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:27:35 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add A/C - 69 parts truck

the ac compressor and ps pump are still intact and the lines have not been
opened.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:06:24 -0600
From: "Dan Neagley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco vent window handle/latch install...

The driver side vent window handle/latch on my 78 Bronco stopped
latching. I took the handle off to see if something was worn and/or broken,
everything looks OK (to me). My question is how do you re-install this
assy. so that it locks in the closed position?

Thanks,
Dan in ABQ (NM, USA)
dan-neagley worldnet.att.net

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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:29:44 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

From: Steve D
> Actually I was rather hoping that people who have motors apart could
> weigh the parts individually. Most bathroom scales goto 300 lbs and
> I doubt any single part weighs that much. A 460 block might be close.
> I doubt an FE block weighs more than 200 lbs...

Dave Williams probably has that information. Try emailing him and see,
then you can pass on the info.

Deacon
deconblu gte.net
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:26:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New performance list

The Performance list is now working. This list is for performance
issues, all years are covered. Off-topic posts will be strictly
enforced with this list as I do not want it to take content away
from the other lists. If you want to talk about milage, towing,
looks, etc, post to the appropriate group. If you want to talk
about HP, torque, hot-rodding, building strong engines, etc, then
this is the group (although these issues can be covered in the
existing groups too). This group was started so members can tap
into the vast knowledge base we have - some of which transcends
year/models.

List member Keith Srb will be administering this list so please
send administrative questions to him at herbie netvalue.net.

You can subscribe by sending email to majordomo ford-trucks.com
with one of the following in the BODY of the message:

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Or as an alternative, you can use the subscribe form on the
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you'll receive.

Once subscribed you can post by sending email to:

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Enjoy!
Ken Payne
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 07:59:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco vent window handle/latch install...

> From: "Dan Neagley"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco vent window handle/latch install...
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:06:24 -0600

> The driver side vent window handle/latch on my 78 Bronco stopped
> latching. I took the handle off to see if something was worn and/or
> broken, everything looks OK (to me). My question is how do you
> re-install this assy. so that it locks in the closed position?

I've never looked very closely at one but I don't see how they come
off? How did you get it off? Mine are all rusty and the frame needs
to be repaired or replaced. Dennis Carpenter has the whole frame and
handle assy for $74 last time I checked.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:10:09 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

>> Actually I was rather hoping that people who have motors apart could
>> weigh the parts individually. Most bathroom scales goto 300 lbs and
>> I doubt any single part weighs that much. A 460 block might be close.
>> I doubt an FE block weighs more than 200 lbs...

>Dave Williams probably has that information. Try emailing him and see,
>then you can pass on the info.
>
>Deacon

Yeah, I know Dave has a pretty big list of engine weights, but there is
a lot of motors with more than one weight listed and the sources and test
conditions a pretty vague for some of them. No way to tell how complete
the motor was when it was weighed, exhaust manifolds on or off, torque
convertor or pressure plate still on the motor or not, alternator and A/C
pump still on it or not, or even whether the motor was actually weighed on
a scale or the weight was found in a magazine article, or if someone just
dropped a 460 on their foot and said "Ow, that weighs a ton" while someone
else wrote down "460, 1 ton"...
I was hoping that by compiling a list of weights for all the parts that
make up a motor, we could get an accurate number for a full dress motor and
also find out about weight savings for using aluminum intakes or heads, tube
headers vs. cast manifolds, etc...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:35:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:10:09 -0700
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: engine weights

> "460, 1 ton"... I was hoping that by compiling a list of weights
> for all the parts that make up a motor, we could get an accurate
> number for a full dress motor and also find out about weight
> savings for using aluminum intakes or heads, tube headers vs. cast
> manifolds, etc...

I just happen to have all those parts loose and a spare engine/tranny
assy that I need to disassemble so I can move it indoors so maybe
I'll get some data for you on the 460 this weekend. I'm also helping
my wife with her flower garden/border around the house and building
the walls for my barn bathroom and cleaning up the mess from the
floor pour etc. so maybe not.......:-(

I don't even have Chris's brackets off yet......I told him it would
take a while to get caught up but.........

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:11:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction: ADMIN: New performance list












I made a mistake yesterday for the subscribe addresses. Below
are the correct addresses:

You can subscribe by sending email to majordomo ford-trucks.com
with one of the following in the BODY of the message:

subscribe perf-list

subscribe perf-list-digest

Or as an alternative, you can use the subscribe form on the
web site. Follow the instructions in the confirmation email
you'll receive.

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perf-list ford-trucks.com

Enjoy!
Ken Payne
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:43:12 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to remove broken exhaust bolt

Yes' it's common knowledge that e-z outs are approximately 1000 times
harder than the average drill bit when they are brand new. After they have
been snapped off inside the remains of a stud they become the hardest
substance known to man and will eat drills bits at a fantastic rate as well
as destroying drills, workbenches, garage walls, tool boxes, etc.

Your better off drilling it out like Gary said or taking it to a machine
shop and saving yourself the frustration!

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to remove broken exhaust bolt
> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 3:51 AM
>
> If you want to try the ezyout first you still should center the hole
> in the bolt very carefully so you can finish drilling it out if
> needed and for god's sake, don't break the ezyout or there will be no
> more drilling :-(

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:10:57 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler

B&M makes a good cooler and for maximum cooling it should be put in front
of the a/c condenser unit for best possible cooling. Locating it behind the
radiator will cut the efficiency of the cooler by 30% or more. Since the
surface area of the cooler is much less than the radiator you shouldn't
have any problems with overheating assuming of course the radiator is up to
the task of cooling your big block. If it's only marginal you may have some
problems with the additional heat from the cooler blowing through the rad.

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> From: Chris Robinson
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 Bronco Tranny Cooler
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 7:36 PM
>
> Hi everyone, my name is Chris Robinson and I'm new to the list. I have a
79 Bronco with a 429CJ and C6,
> 4" lift and 35" BFGs. Anyway, I'm getting ready to tow a trailer out to
Missouri (I'm in Virginia) and
> wanted to install this B&M Tranny Cooler I have. BUT where in the heck
do I put it! I already have a/c
> so I'm hesitant to put another cooler in front of the radiator. Any
suggestions?
>
> Chris R.
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:38:36 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick

I'm not quite sure whether the mechanic is at fault or not. The impression
I got from the post was that the front diff was out of the truck and was
taken in for a rebuild. Then it was brought home and reinstalled in the
truck. I think that the installer would be the one responsible for filling
the axle with fluid not the guy setting up the diff & gears.

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stupid Owner trick
> Date: Friday, June 19, 1998 7:20 AM
>
> I hope you plan to confront the mechanic about this? You should
> never delve into someone elses work till you've taken them as far as
> you can to resolve it without your money. If they don't budge and
> you choose not to take them to court then have at it.
>
> Not checking the oil was a mistake if you don't trust the mechanic
> but not as bad as opening up the diff after it crashed IMHO :-( You
> may have defeated any attempt to get reimbursed by doing that?
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:42:50 -0400
From: Chris Robinson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Sender Fixed, I think...

Hi Everyone,

Well, I decided today, while changing oil and tranny fluid/filter that
while I was under there, I'd check the fuel level sending unit's
contacts. I checked the contacts at the sending unit and looked clean....


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