61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 288



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems
FTE 61-79 - 4-bbl
FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Holder
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - 4 bbl and kick down
Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack
FTE 61-79 - Hello
FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 upgrade
Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - Automatics and RTV (Was Great discoveries)
FTE 61-79 - Re: Good-bye and see ya next fall
FTE 61-79 - intake manifold
FTE 61-79 - brakedrums and hubs for '67 ford?
Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4 bbl and kick down
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello
Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage
FTE 61-79 - weather stripping??
FTE 61-79 - tailgate?
FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 14:42:37 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel

Gary, 78 BBB wrote:

> > Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:51:56 -0700
> > From: John MacNamara
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Recommend a 4 barrel
>
> > > Sounds pretty cool! Is the Offy the one they have in the PAW
> > > catalog with a separate plane for the secondaries?
> >
> > Yes, I emailed him a scan of that very page and made sure that was
> > the one. he said it was and i bought it for $100.
>
> Is it the spread bore version?

Gary: I didn't ask him that question as I didn't really care. If I have
to buy a quadrajet, that would be a plus. If it's the square bore then I
have my autolite.

Can't lose!!

Regards
John

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:05:38 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

>From: "Dean & Liz Becker"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/
>
>snip window stuff
>
>I need to find out what the original Smog/emmssions
>equipment was on my 78 Bronco.
>

Yo Dean (or Liz?):

I think your '78 Bronco was originally equipped w/ a catalytic converter.
Why? In 1975, unleaded fuel and catalytic converters became mandatory for
all vehicles w/ GVW less than 5500 lbs. Ford introduced the F150
specifically to increase the 1/2-ton payload to avoid installing a cat.
Not knowing for sure, but I doubt your Bronco has a GVW as high as an F150.
OTOH, maybe a towing package (factory option?) was available to bump the
GVW up and avoid the cat.

>The engine has a sticker that states:
>NON CATAYST
>This engine conforms to US enviornmental protection
>agency regulations applicable to 1978 model year
>engines Fueled Heavy Duty Engines
>D8TE-9CA485-ACA

I'd be willing to bet that the engine (or the valve cover where the sticker
is located) is a transplant. Reasons cited above. The sticker you refer
to is the emissions certification. It should also state what other
emissions equipment (if any) was installed on that engine (for example,
EGR, EVAP, Thermactor, etc.)

>The bottom pully has no room for a Smog pump. I beleive
>there never was one. The engine is a 351M, this is the
>original motor.

All M-block engines (351M/400) equipped w/ a Thermactor air pump in trucks
and Broncos had the air pump mounted in front of the right cylinder head.
A bracket attaches to the right side of the water pump to support the air
pump. The air pump is driven by a belt from the alternator. Does your
alternator have a double groove pulley on it? If so, the outside groove
(toward the front of the vehicle) is for the air pump drive belt.

At some point (not sure when exactly), even non-catalyst M-block engines
started using Thermactor air pumps. The main purpose of the air pump is to
inject oxygen into the exhaust gas stream for the catalyst (although it
does provide some minor non-catalyst HC reduction benefits), but using them
on non-catalyst engines was probably just a convenience to simplify
assembly line production.

As far as registering your vehicle in CA goes, according to the CA smog
check web site (URL below), you need only have properly functioning
emissions control equipment in the configuration that your vehicle was
originally equipped. You will, of course, have to pay the one-time $300
Smog Impact Fee when you first register the vehicle in CA, if the vehicle
was not originally configured to meet CA emissions standards.

Check out the official web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/smoghome.htm

Good luck w/ your Bronco.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:19:37 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems

>Mike & Evan:

Find a divorced 205, which are not that hard to find, and use it. You can
even get one out of a D*dge W300 if I am not mistaken, up to mid 80's vintage.

When you find it, check to see the front output shaft is on the driver's
side/lower, and the input/rear output shaft is on the passenger side/upper.
GM setup is different, of course. Stay away from anything GM if you know
what's good for you.

Then pop the front shaft back cover, and the inspection plate off and check
the condition of the gears.

You can buy a rebuild kit from the jobber (Federal Mogul bearings &
national seals).
There is no good information on how to rebuild these things. There is a
trick to getting the shift rails in right, and I am telling you the system
the book recommends to remove the roll pins in the shift forks is stupid!
I have a better way.

Here's what you do: if you decide to buy a 205 (completely bulletproof
setup) which is in decent shape, and want to rebuild it, email me privately
and I will guide you thru it.



regards,


marko in vancouver 8^0
marko helix.net

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:35:09 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4-bbl

Ken,
As you saw I put a carter 600cfm carb on my 352. I had thought of going
with something bigger but it seems to work just fine. I noticed while
we were at Pigeon Forge alot of truck had the carter 4bbl.
I like the carb and it was a pretty good price.
Garry

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:54:53 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Holder

I too am looking for a spare tire holder. Stoney if Stu doesn't want it
and it doesn't fit Shannons truck then send it my way. I need for my
67.

Stu what do you need a spare tire holder for now. Your truck is fixin
to be in a whole bunch of pieces.....I don't reckon you will be needin
it until the truck is back on the road...

If anyone happens to have a spare tire holder lying around and you
really need to get rid of it, then send it my way... I looked all over
Pigeon Forge for one could not find one. I also have been scouring the
junk yards but so far have had no luck. Does anyone know if 73 to 79
and new will fit 67 to 72???
Garry

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:56:38 -0400
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

The AM/FM/CB was a factory option. (at least the Ford wiring diagram
book shows it.) BTW I have 2 copies of the 1979 Ford F-series wiring
diagrams, anyone know what their worth? I don't have the 79 anymore, but
have a 68 F100 Ranger that need a 3.5 9 inch gearset, Trade? Partial?
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:56:47 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 bbl and kick down

Ken,
If you decided to go with a carb that requires a kick down, give me a
call and we will get together on a Saturday. You can see how we rigged
up mine to make it work. The actual setup was simple in the end but
took a little work to get there.
Garry

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:24:21 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems

At 03:19 PM 5/19/98 -0700, Marko Maryniak wrote:
>Find a divorced 205, which are not that hard to find, and use it. You can
>even get one out of a D*dge W300 if I am not mistaken, up to mid 80's vintage.

My '74 W200 ClubCab has a divorce-mounted NP-205 as well. They were standard issue on Dodge 1-tons up thru 91 or 92 I think, but most all of the later ones were integrated with the tranny.



>There is no good information on how to rebuild these things. There is a
>
>and I will guide you thru it.

Would you consider writing this up and maybe posting it on the site? There are a TON of 205's out there in the field, and other than paying the local Dana/Spicer depot to do the job, I'm at a loss. It's such a simple box I think a DIY rebuild is probably do-able for many of us.




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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:11:28 EDT
From: OldTrux
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spare Tire Rack

In a message dated 98-05-19 16:54:41 EDT, you write:


tank? If you need one just give me an address to send it to and you can have
this one, I hate the things and always pull them off anyway.
>>
If he don't want it I do!
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:18:47 PDT
From: "ismael caraballo"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hello

Just bought a '71 F-100 with a 352, 2barrell carb, a/c.
The truck runs ok, but i'd like to improve low-end a little without
hurting mileage. can you suggest an intake manifold to replace the
cast-iron one? does Edelbrock make one?
Also, what do you recommend in the way of headers to replace the stock
exhaust?


thanks,
ish

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:40:04 -0700
From: Kurt Albershardt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 upgrade

At 06:18 PM 5/19/98 -0700, ismael caraballo wrote:
>Also, what do you recommend in the way of headers to replace the stock
>exhaust?

Best bet for most truck applications is a set of Tri-Y headers (Stan's, Thorley, ??)



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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:53:36 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 203 Transfer Case problems

Marko Maryniak wrote:

> >Mike & Evan:
>
> Find a divorced 205, which are not that hard to find, and use it. You can
> even get one out of a D*dge W300 if I am not mistaken, up to mid 80's vintage.
>
> When you find it, check to see the front output shaft is on the driver's
> side/lower, and the input/rear output shaft is on the passenger side/upper.
> GM setup is different, of course. Stay away from anything GM if you know
> what's good for you.
>
> regards,
>
> marko in vancouver 8^0
> marko helix.net

Sorry guys but the front output on the Dodge up until 94 is on the passenger
side.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:25:14 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Bronco/

Dave Resch wrote:

>
> Yo Dean (or Liz?):
>
> I think your '78 Bronco was originally equipped w/ a catalytic converter.

Mine wasn't, has sticker on valve cover that says NON-Catalyst. Cats
started on broncs in 79, cept Ca., where all bets are off ;-)

> Why? In 1975, unleaded fuel and catalytic converters became mandatory for
> all vehicles w/ GVW less than 5500 lbs. Ford introduced the F150
> specifically to increase the 1/2-ton payload to avoid installing a cat.
> Not knowing for sure, but I doubt your Bronco has a GVW as high as an F150.
> OTOH, maybe a towing package (factory option?) was available to bump the
> GVW up and avoid the cat.

My 78 bronco weighed right around 5000lbs when stock and it's a
stripper with man trans and no air. GVW is 6100.


> >The engine has a sticker that states:
> >NON CATAYST
> >This engine conforms to US enviornmental protection
> >agency regulations applicable to 1978 model year
> >engines Fueled Heavy Duty Engines
> >D8TE-9CA485-ACA
>
> I'd be willing to bet that the engine (or the valve cover where the sticker
> is located) is a transplant.

I'd be willing to bet it's not. Never seen a 78 bronc with cats, and
I've seen plenty of stockers in the yards. Also seen the non-cat sticker
on many 78 broncs.

>Reasons cited above. The sticker you refer
> to is the emissions certification. It should also state what other
> emissions equipment (if any) was installed on that engine (for example,
> EGR, EVAP, Thermactor, etc.)

Had EGR and vap canister, but no pump. 79 had pump and cats.

> >The bottom pully has no room for a Smog pump. I beleive
> >there never was one. The engine is a 351M, this is the
> >original motor.

Mine is the same.

> All M-block engines (351M/400) equipped w/ a Thermactor air pump in trucks
> and Broncos had the air pump mounted in front of the right cylinder head.
> A bracket attaches to the right side of the water pump to support the air
> pump. The air pump is driven by a belt from the alternator. Does your
> alternator have a double groove pulley on it?

Mine doesn't

> At some point (not sure when exactly), even non-catalyst M-block engines
> started using Thermactor air pumps.

Maybe in cars, but haven't seen it in trucks

OX
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:25:02 EDT
From: RDbanesjr
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New list member and new owner of a '78 F100 Ranger

I think i can answer atleast one of your quetions: Check a Chilton truck
repair book for the VIN Codes. I believe its pretty much always in the front
of the book. Keep in mind you'll need a book that atleast covers the make and
year of your truck.

dug in La.
w/'67 swb 240 3spd
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:18:53 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Automatics and RTV (Was Great discoveries)

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:57:10 -0500
> From: "John LaGrone"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Great discoveries

> Pat, the trick to using RTV is twofold. Don't over do it and let it cure
> properly before you use whatever you sealed together. Front drive GM c-body
> cars with aluminum cased AOD transaxles do not use pan gaskets, only RTV.
> The expansion coefficient difference between the steel pan and aluminum
> housing disallows anything but something glued to both surfaces maintaining
> a seal. Hmmm... aluminum housing and steel pan, hmmm....
>

I Love RTV! I use it (almost) everywhere! In fact, I'd like to take
my intake off (FE 360) and put it on right using RTV so I don't have
an oil slick down the front of my motor . . But, at 135k miles, I'd
probably end up doing valves, then while I'm at it, I'm gonna do etc ..
etc ...

There are some places, however, that I just don't recommend using
it, Auto trans pans being one. Like you said, the key is to not use
to much, if I had a pan that I was having problems with, then I would
give it a shot. I've just never had trouble with a clean, flat pan not
sealing with the normal gasket. I have found RTV bits in engines,
transmission screens aren't all that fine.

With all that said, I'm changing fluid and filter in my T-bird this
weekend, It'll probably leak like a sieve:-)

Pat Brown 'Can I use RTV on my leach field?'
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 19:28:41 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Good-bye and see ya next fall

> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:30:27 -0600 (CST)
> From: Stu Varner
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good-bye and see ya next fall

BUT STU! Who will keep the GM lovers in line? Maybe we should pass
the plate to keep you online, or at the least nominate Deacon to
keep your tagline in his .sig. Have a good summer, and keep on
NUKIN' GM !

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:36:56 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intake manifold

Can anyone tell me if I can bolt a non-egr intake manifold onto my egr
equipped 351M. I assume that the exhaust crossover is simply blocked by the
manifold, but I'm not sure. Or do non-egr manifolds still have the exhaust
crossover without the provision for the egr plumbing?
TIA for any hints or tips.

later,
Dale Carmine
'79 F-150 351M


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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:42:23 EDT
From: RDbanesjr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakedrums and hubs for '67 ford?

a while back i was lookin' for a hub for my '67 cause the old one just wore
out. after checking with local parts stores i was told the price tag was well
over $100 and since the hub and drum were one piece i would have to replace it
with the same. not wanting to spend that much for the thing i checked all the
bone yards and found nothing, except a two piece setup which i was told
wounldnt work for my truck( the two piece was $35 bucks) after hearing
conflicting stories from everyone i talked to i called the head mech at a
local ford dealership and explained everything to him. within five minutes he
was able to tell me what year range i could borrow from and i could be either
the one piece (hub and drum built as one) or the two piece deal (self expl.)
btw the year range was from 1964 to 1967, starting in 1968 the hub and spindle
are bigger

dug in La.
w/'67 swb 240 3spd
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:07:04 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - f100's from griffin,ga

two friends of mine were planning to attend the nats at the forge. one of them
was a
69 lwb,tubbed and lowered,390 with dual quads,it is turquoise color and
primer,its still under construction ,its a pretty neat truck for a long wheel
base,oops,hope i didn't offend anyone.
the other one is a 68 swb,tubbed,428 with a 4 speed,blue in color,a
really nice ride.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:10:40 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello

put a 390 in it.
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:22:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4 bbl and kick down

At 07:56 PM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken,
>If you decided to go with a carb that requires a kick down, give me a
>call and we will get together on a Saturday. You can see how we rigged
>up mine to make it work. The actual setup was simple in the end but
>took a little work to get there.
>Garry
>

Thanks, I'm leaning towards the Ford or Carter unit at this
point. I'll let you know.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:23:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello

At 06:18 PM 5/19/98 PDT, you wrote:
>Just bought a '71 F-100 with a 352, 2barrell carb, a/c.
>The truck runs ok, but i'd like to improve low-end a little without
>hurting mileage. can you suggest an intake manifold to replace the
>cast-iron one? does Edelbrock make one?
>Also, what do you recommend in the way of headers to replace the stock
>exhaust?
>
>
>thanks,
>ish
>

Edelbrock does make one but its not cheap. Ask Stu (if he
hasn't left yet) about his experience with them.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:29:11 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ford truck parts for sale,cleaning garage

78-79 f250 front and rear factory sway bars. 200.00
78 2wd ranger xlt hubcaps all chrome 3 are gc 50.00 for all
78-79 rh door good cond. 50.00
78-79 bronco spare tire carrier,50.00 missing tailgate brkt.
78-79 grille,(plastic part) not chrome 50.00
78-79 mirrors 25.00
78-79 4x4 front end dana 44 (1/2 ton) with disc brakes 250.00
dana 44 track lock new in box 250.00
dana 60 track lock new in box 300.00
c6 trans w/np 205 transfer case 250.00
390 engine gc 350.00
351 cleveland engine and parts
429 and 460 engines and parts
351 windsor engine and parts
toploader 4 speed with shifter,bell housing flywheel. 700.00
other misc.parts
located in georgia,near atlanta
thanks,jeff grant
jjjjjgrant aol.com
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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:15:12 -0700 (MST)
From: SKINS asu.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - weather stripping??

do you guys suggest that i buy the weather stripping from ford or from another
source. i have bought some of it from from ford already and it is pretty
expensive.Im also wondering about the weather stripping for the back window
can i buy that from ford or does a glass company have to put it on? also i
cant seem to eliminate air from coming into my cab. do all these trucks have
problems with air coming in. sometimes its difficult to hear the radio when im
traveling down the freeway. any suggestions?

Miguel A. Quijada
~goblue asu.edu~
www.public.asu.edu/~chonr11

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Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:29:55 -0700 (MST)
From: SKINS asu.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tailgate?

my tailgate hindge has problems. there is a little hook that makes the whole
system work.but it falls off if you do not hold it into the little hole. im
wondering of there is something i can do or can i buy the parts to replace
everything inside the tailgate.

Miguel A. Quijada
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www.public.asu.edu/~chonr11

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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 00:36:28 EDT
From: Brazzadog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet

Hi gang,

You probably don't remember me, but I feel like I know many of you. I've been
mostly lurking for about six months (on and off) waiting until I had time to
actually start working on my always reliable and consequently neglected '78
F-250 4x4. I've had it for 8 years and for a variety of reasons have not
driven it much in the last 3 years. My truck lived in Maine for 17 years
(rust, what rust?) and sports at least 4 colors of rattle-can brown on the
cab. The bed is some kind of nasty Imron green wrapped around '87 sheetmetal.
It qualifies as ugly but it gets the job done.

I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3
years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and
don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a
load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the
next upshift. When I first noticed the problem (3 years ago) I fed it new
plugs, wires, rotor, cap, and rebuilt the carb all to no avail.

Last week I started over with new cap and rotor. I discoverd that the #1 and
#4 cylinders are getting spark but don't seem to be firing. I tested
resistance on all of the plug wires and wiring between battery and ignition
module. I'm beginning to think there may be a carb problem too. I didn't....


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