61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 267



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
FTE 61-79 - Internet Message
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show info - last one before I go
FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Internet Message
FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
FTE 61-79 - RE:driveshaft
FTE 61-79 - Opinion on Engine Rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement
FTE 61-79 - Under The Dash 8-Track Player
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
FTE 61-79 - 351 family....
RE: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:10:52 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement

Hi John,

I've had real good experience with "pre-built" engines. They usually come with
a pretty good warranty as well. If you haven't done an engine before, maybe
just getting a "longblock" (crankcase with heads only, you use your old valve
covers, oil pan, etc. a "shortblock would be the crankcase only, no cylinder
head..) would be a good way to go. This way, all the critical machine work
will be done for you already. Pulling an engine, replacing the covers and
other periphial components, and putting it back in is a job that can be
completed by someone who has some mechanical ability and a reasonable set of
tools....Once you see what size job it is, for the next round, you can start
from scratch with a junkyard motor and do a little at a time and build the
exact kind of engine you want....

Let us know which way you go.....Like Steve said, we'll help as much as we
can...

Good Luck!

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs

A buddy at work asked (axed??) me today if I could find out if
he could put F350 rear springs on his F100, he wants to use
it to haul his camper, it does have a Dana 60 in it now, with a
cheesy helper spring. What do you guys think??

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:03:05 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs

> A buddy at work asked (axed??) me today if I could find out if
>he could put F350 rear springs on his F100, he wants to use
>it to haul his camper, it does have a Dana 60 in it now, with a
>cheesy helper spring. What do you guys think??

Dunno 'bout F350 springs, but I put a set of F250 "camper special"
springs (7 leaves + 1 overload) under my '71 F100. (9" axle) I removed
one leaf to make 6+1's and I've hauled 1800+lbs of firewood over 110
miles twice this year and the springs could easily have taken more.
Sure made me wish for disk brakes tho...

Steve
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:08:01, -0500
From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Internet Message

AMEN!
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:18:24 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show info - last one before I go

Wednesday I leave for the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals.

Regardless of whether we get the promised booth we have the following
two events scheduled:

Saturday, 10am until ??? - Get together followed by lunch
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In front of the Convention Center, under the canopy. You can't miss
it, the show is next to it and there's a bazillion trucks on front lawn
in front of it. The meeting will be informal and I plan to be there from
9:50 until we decide to head out. Bring a lunch and drinks, we'll find a
place where we can go as a group to eat. Per Garry Bowling's suggestion,
I'm going to briefly address the group (I hate speaking in public!).


Sunday, 8 am until ??? - Sunday breakfast
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Breakfast really won't get underway until 8:30 but there will be people
there at 8am. Bring donuts, bagels, McDonalds or whatever, enough for
you and may a couple extra to put on the table for the group. This
will be at a pavillion at Patriots Park. We'll have directions at the
Saturday get together and at our booth. Sorry that this is so early
but many people are heading out early to get home at a reasonable hour.

To get a nametag/badge to wear to identify yourself, go to:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/badge.gif

and simply print it out.

When you register for the show, please list Ford Truck Enthusiasts
as the group/club you're with. We want Pat Ford, the promoter,
to know that we support his event so we can make our booth a
yearly thing.

If you have any questions concerning the show, email me privately at
kpayne mindspring.com before 3:00pm Wednesday.

Lastly, any email sent to my webmaster ford-trucks.com will receive
an autoresponder message. I'll be unavailble until the show is over
on the 16th.

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:18:05 -0400
From: "Gregory A. Bunton"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?

Hello all, this is my first posting. I own a 78 Ford Bronco, and love it.
I recently thought I needed a new Oil Pump...but the mechanic told me the
engine is just about done. Now this truck is pretty much original....but I
don't know whether to replace the engine or sell it. Any suggestions???

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:37:10 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?

replace it with a 460
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:31:08 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Rear springs

From: Steve & Rockette
> A buddy at work asked (axed??) me today if I could find out if
>he could put F350 rear springs on his F100, he wants to use
>it to haul his camper, it does have a Dana 60 in it now, with a
>cheesy helper spring. What do you guys think??

If it's not raining here in Southern California (it never rains. Ha!)
tomorrow. I'll go take some measurements on my F350 and compare them to
my F100. From looking at them, I don't see why not.


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:34:31 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Internet Message

From: MICHAEL N BIGBY
>AMEN!

That's nice. Amen to what?


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:48:07 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

I'm pretty sure there is an instruction guide for this on the homepage. I=

seem to remember that when the guy did the article he said it would work =
on
'67-'72. =


Hope this helps,

Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352 (soon to be 390)
1974 Maverick 302


From: POLING4
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

Hey Joe The Ford Guy:

I thought of the same thing but have not yet found any information on
adding =

intermittent wiper switch to my 1972 F-100. If you have any info on thi=
s
modification
please email me at POLING4 aol.com.

Thanx's

Rick>>
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:48:04 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:driveshaft

You should be able to unbolt the caps on the u-joint. There should be 2
bolts per side, and they should face away from the differential. Is it re=
al
dirty? Maybe you can't see them because of the crud. =



Drew Beatty
1967 F100 352 (soon to be 390)
1974 Maverick 302

On Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:00 -0400, 70 webtv.net (RANDY D) wrote:

ujoint it has a carrierbarring 2 piece shaft i am trying to take out the
section closest to the rearend does it screw apart ? if so left hand
thread or right ? i can turn it but it does not seem to be coming off
and i cant get the ujoint out until i get it off
thanks for any help . >>
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:57:03 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Opinion on Engine Rebuild

From: Melayne Arnold
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks
Subject: Opinions on Engine Rebuild
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:43 PM

John,

A lot of it depends on what you want and your circumstances. If you need
the truck now for a daily driver or something, I'd say go with a Jasper
rebuild. I've never heard anything bad about their engines and a lot of
good, plus they are warrantied. Ask around where you live for a good
reputable shop, have them order and install it, and you'll probably be back
on the road in a week or so and have someone to turn to for any problems
that might develop.
It would probably be cheaper to have your current engine rebuilt by a
local shop, but again, you have to pick the right place. Ask around. Check
with people in the auto parts stores, machine shops, automotive electric
supply houses, anybody that handles auto problems. If there is a good
rebuild shop around you'll probably here the same name from different folks.
It's easier if you're from a small town area because everybody knows
everybody else and a mechanic will get a reputation, either good or bad,
that will be spread around.
Finally, if you don't need the vehicle fast, you might consider doing it
yourself. When it is finished there will a great deal of satisfaction plus
you will know the vehicle intimately and will take a lot more pride in it.
Rebuilding the engine itself will be reasonably cheap (you're not paying
other folks labor) but if you haven't been into doing your own mechanicing
before be warned, it will turn out more expensive totally because you will
always be needing another tool of somekind. This stuff gets in your blood
and before long you'll have every tool catalog in North America lying around
your house. But having said that, their is GREAT satisfaction in doing it
yourself. Don't worry too much about never having done this before. Study
books and the people on this list are great for knowledge. You CAN do it if
you want too.
I hope that gives you a better idea of your options. Good luck and let
everyone know how it's coming.

Stoney
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:04:05 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need opinions on engine rebuild/replacement

From: John F. Bauer III
>My brain has been churning over the idea of restoring a tired old '78
300
>I-6 to original performance (as close as possible) with a possible
>intake/exhaust system from Clifford Perform. down the road (when I'm
rich
>and famous, all right, far down the road).

Clifford isn't far from me. I think their in Pamona CA. I was
thinking of calling them and ask if they have a price list or something.
I don't have a 300 I6 but many list members do. If there is an interest,
I'll see what I can do.

>I would beg the group's opinions on having the engine rebuilt by a shop
or
>just purchasing an engine (Jasper or Marshall seem popular sources in
>Cleveland, OH) and bolting on all the remaining items. I would like to
do
>the job myself as much as possible, but just don't have the experience
nor
>the peers to assist me with rebuilding it myself. One way better than
the
>other? Anyone have any opinions of pre-built engine suppliers?

Is there a problem with the bottom end? When I tore into my '73
F100's 302 (a header installation that got out of hand :]) I was
surprised to find how good it looked. I disassembled it, inspected
parts, cleaned, painted (were applicable) replaced the freeze plugs, did
some shade tree head work and reassembled it.
If yours is that tired, do it yourself and you'll learn something.
Even if you find yourself over your head, throw it back together and
turn it in for a short block, send the head out to a local shop.
Rebuilding the head will bring back the most life, plus it's the thing
most likely to be burning oil. I would send the head out first and see
how it runs. You may save some money for your cool parts!
Later!


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:10:36 EDT
From: POLING4
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Under The Dash 8-Track Player

Hi: Anyone that knows where to buy a under the dash 8 Track player for 1972
F-100 please respond to this email. I am looking to add a factory option to
my
72 F-100, I believe they were avaiable at the dealerships in that time frame.

Please email me POLING4 aol.com
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:13:21 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

i have a delay wiper box out of a 77 f150,just the box,no switch.
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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:22:36 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford Bronco - Sell or Replace Engine?

From: Gregory A. Bunton
>Hello all, this is my first posting. I own a 78 Ford Bronco, and love
it.
>I recently thought I needed a new Oil Pump...but the mechanic told me
the
>engine is just about done. Now this truck is pretty much
original....but I
>don't know whether to replace the engine or sell it. Any suggestions???

I would overhaul it. (rebuild is to replace everything. Overhaul is
to disassemble and clean it, replace only what needs replacing) If you
replace the engine there's two things to consider. 1) original
replacement, you'll have all the external components. 2) Going bigger,
better, faster, more power Aaaa, aaa, aaa. You'll need all the brackets,
exhaust manifolds..... Sell it and you'll be sorry for years to come! :)
Good luck.
Later!

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:45:34 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72


>I'm pretty sure there is an instruction guide for this on the homepage. I
>seem to remember that when the guy did the article he said it would work on
>'67-'72.

Yes, one of the tech articles on the Fordtrucks page. It's a nicely written
article by Tom Hogan.
I'm gonna try it on my '71 as soon as I can score one at the wreckers.
If the mud there ever recedes this year...


Steve
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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:56:08 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

> >I'm pretty sure there is an instruction guide for this on the homepage.

Yes and it is awesome.. I would like to add though that if you pick up the
pieces from the 80 up model trucks for use on the older models there is a
couple of wires which need to have their positions in the connector swapped
with each other in order for the Windscreen washer pump to work. I can't
remember the color or much detail right now but it is straightforward and
easy to see which need to be swapped by looking at the two switch
assemblies and connectors. I will however after Pigeon forge write up the
exact process and add it to the existing page. Main reason... the 80'and up
trucks are much easier to find with this option at the boneyards..

> >seem to remember that when the guy did the article he said it would work
on
> >'67-'72.

I can't answer that one....


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:50:09 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 family....

I have a 351 M and I am trying to figure out whether it is a big block or if
it is a small block. I also want to know about the other 351's (i.e.
Windsor, Cleveland) Big? Small? And also: How do you tell the difference?
(So that I don't have to ask again).

Thanks for the help,
Shane

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:56:58 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

What is the weight (unloaded) of a 1978 F-150 XLT With a 351 M and a C-6?....


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