61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 264



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Dual Piston Calipers
RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answe rs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
FTE 61-79 - RE: Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers
FTE 61-79 - Re: window rattlers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Piston Calipers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
FTE 61-79 - light problems
RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answe rs
FTE 61-79 - Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
FTE 61-79 - Battery-starter relay-alternator prob
FTE 61-79 - RE: My Front Springs
F-111...was: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
FTE 61-79 - A/C Retrofit?
FTE 61-79 - Re: 63f100needs help
FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add delay wipers to 67-72
Re: FTE 61-79 - A/C Retrofit?
FTE 61-79 - Window Rattlers
FTE 61-79 - truck for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
Re: F-111...was: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
FTE 61-79 - Turn signals

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:38:58 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Piston Calipers

Hey OX,

Hope I haven't led you astray....while re-reading my message, I meant that
they are $45 per unit ($90/axle).....Sounds like the aluminum ones are the way
to go. It seemed like mine were chromed or something...do they chrome both
kinds?

I'm a little puzzled when you say "no springs" in the external hubs. The
external units have all the power going through the 6 big cap screws into the
outside of bearing hub...rather than having the bearing hub itself splined on
the inside.

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:57:47 -0500
From: Jim Pointer
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answe rs

>Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:11:42 -0500
>From: Mike Warren
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers
>1st - The Steering is a little loose, but it appears to be a connecting
>plate between the steering colomn and the steering box - that is round,
>and has 2 or 3 pegs that are worn. The plate that holds the pegs is
>really worn as well. thus causing the loose steering - It this plate
>replaceable or is it going to need a whole new steering column. -

Before you buy a new plate, you could try tightening the steering
box. There's a screw with a nut around it on top of the box--loosen
the nut, tighten the screw, then tighten the nut back to lock it. I
did this on mine right after I bought it, and it steers great. It may
take a couple of tries to get it to feel just right.

>2nd -The Selector on the steering colomn is also broken (the part you
>grab to change the gear - automatic transmission) so I currently just
>grip the column and change the gear - can this be replaced or do I need
>a whole new steering colomn.

No experience with autos, but if it's set up like the manuals I've seen,
you should be able to replace just the lever if the collar isn't broken.

>3rd - The complete emergency brake is missing along with cables and so
>forth. Does anybody know where I can get this part? I need it to get
the
>truck inspected. - any idea on cost?

Junk yard, maybe? Sounds like a dirty job, crawling around
underneath at least one old truck, but it shouldn't be too hard to
hook up.

Jim Pointer

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:07:59 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

From: Stu Varner
>Oh boy, do I have you snowed!!
>See, Deacon, I told you I was a nice guy!!

He's young Stu. He doesn't know your Eddy Hasskel (Leave it to Beaver)
persona.

> Deacon; living out in left field somewhere, but always a hoot.
>
>Understatement of the century! :)

It's under the left field bleachers. Can't see the game but the view is
great! The lack of one that is. :) (The goodie goodies on the list won't
get that one right away). I will say, I'm not alone. There's a couple
(or more) that come back here slumming.

>As the son of a former Marine Corp Sgt (1950-1956)

And he was so young too!


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:31:13 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers

Mike,
1.
This is a faily common problem in older Ford trucks. The plate you are
referring to is called a rag joint. It is usuall a piece of
rubber/plastic ring that the steering collumn and input shaft to the
steering gear box bolt to. When the ring rotts away then the plate on
the steering column actuates the gear box via the pins captured in the
large cutouts. This is the fail safe mecanism to prevent 20/20 from
featuring articles about runaway Ford trucks (ala certian incenderiary
ch**s ;0) ). The rag joint is easily replaceable and relatively cheep
compared to the aggravation/safety hazard of a loose steering linkage.
I would definately go Ford orignial on this part. I don't think it is
availabel aftermarket. It can be replaced without completely removing
the column. When I did mine I just loosened it and slid it up away from
the steering gear box.

2.
I have heard of those parts failing and being replaced without a full
new column. I think it was the ring around the column that the shift
lever goes into that is replaced. I have not done it myself just going
on hearsay here.

3.
Go to a junkyard and score the parts you need there.

Keep it up. Sounds like you have the begining of a great project there!!
Tom H.




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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:11:42 -0500
From: Mike Warren
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answers

I purchased a 1966 F100 from a friend (it was his grandfathers), anyway
- - - It is a Custom Cab with Short Wheel Base and Short Bed. For the most
part it runs great, however there are a few problems I am working on.

1st - The Steering is a little loose, but it appears to be a connecting
plate between the steering colomn and the steering box - that is round,
and has 2 or 3 pegs that are worn. The plate that holds the pegs is
really worn as well. thus causing the loose steering - It this plate
replaceable or is it going to need a whole new steering column. -

2nd -The Selector on the steering colomn is also broken (the part you
grab to change the gear - automatic transmission) so I currently just
grip the column and change the gear - can this be replaced or do I need
a whole new steering colomn.

3rd - The complete emergency brake is missing along with cables and so
forth. Does anybody know where I can get this part? I need it to get the
truck inspected. - any idea on cost?

So far that is my current project for the truck - I am trying to keep
costs down and only repair the most important parts as of now.

Thanks
Mike Warren
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:43:53 -0700
From: tom
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: window rattlers

Uh sleddog,
Window rattlers are all the channel, pads etc to keep the windows FROM rattling.
Tom
Reno,NV

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:16:42 -0700
From: "J. Oxley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Piston Calipers

BDIJXS wrote:
>
> Hey OX,
>
> Hope I haven't led you astray....while re-reading my message, I meant
>that they are $45 per unit ($90/axle).....

Yes, I got it right:-). I ordered a set at 52$ ea locally.

>Sounds like the aluminum ones are the way
> to go.

I don't think it is, but I didn't get a choice. The alum one's (alum
pistons with cast body) that came with my dana 60 front are corroded to
crap. It looks like galvanic corrosion took place. I hope my new one's
are steel.

>It seemed like mine were chromed or something...do they chrome both
> kinds?

Possibly, but usually only anodize alum.

> I'm a little puzzled when you say "no springs" in the external hubs.

Maybe I don''t have external hubs then. My hubs have no springs. The
outer mechanism has a cam that pulls the locking part of hub either in or
out. Every other Ford locking hub I've seen has a spring to lock it and a
cam to unlock it. My outer cover does not transmit power, so I guess I
don't have external hubs. They sure are different than any other axle
I've seen. Way different than my spare dana 60 front I got for parts.

OX
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:42:55 -0400
From: papacat webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

i have played with fords from the 29 a model
to now and i have never heard of a f-111
what is it and where can i see a picture of
one??????????????
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:54:43 -0400
From: "Harvey, Blaine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - light problems

>Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 23:30:35 -0500
>From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headlights
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>>I also have a problem with the instrument panel. When the headlights are
>>on and the left turn signal is turned on the high beam indicator flashes
>>and the left turn arrow dims. When the head lights are off they work
>>normally. Everything outside works fine either way. Any ideas on this
>>one?
>
>
Two other possibles (among many) that occurred to me. Once when my 67's
lights acted up, I peeled back the floor mat to find a very corroded
dimmer switch.

I have had headlights cut out at random (but usually pitch dark at 60
>mph) from a bum switch.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:33:42 -0400
From: papacat webtv.net
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Just bought a 66 F-100 - need some answe rs

Mike
If you deside to adjust the steering box take
the column loose from under the dash (if the
truck has ever been bumped it will bind )
tighten the box untill you get 1/4 # of preload
at the steering wheel rim, tighten the nut and replace the collar on
the column.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:37:54 -0500
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

Has anybody added Intermitent wipers to the 67-72 trucks??What year
can I swap parts from?????With all this dam rain here in PA I need
them before i break the switch turing it on and off for those
misty rains...Thanks

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Joe
Aka. Fordguy
1968 F-100 4x4 302 Np435 Bone Stock down to the wheel covers
1970 F-250 4x4 390 Np435 The Beast
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Date: Mon, 11 May 98 17:25:25 -0700
From: "SGT CHRISTOPHER S DENSON"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Battery-starter relay-alternator prob

I've got a '67 f100 95% restored to original. Saturday I'm taking it to a
car show. In preparation for the show, I was cleaning the engine compartment
and while reconnecting the negative cable to the battery, there was static
electricity. I noticed the cable running from the starter relay switch to the
alternator was smoking at the alternator terminal. I immediately
disconnected the contact on the negative battery terminal. I can't figure
out why this happened. I'm thinking my new starter relay switch went bad.
This would make the 3rd relay switch I've gone through in 3mos. Anyone have
any ideas?

Chris
67 F100 Camper Special/352cu

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:21:08 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: My Front Springs

Try The Following:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eatonsprings.com/

National Spring Co. (619) 441-1901

Your local spring Builder/Rebuilder should be able too make up a duplicate
set as has been mentioned by others.

Later
Chris
79 Bronco




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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:57:37 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: F-111...was: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

Well they're very rare and very fast. Problem is they only seat 2 people
and they suck ALLOT of fuel, usually JP4 which is a little hard to come by
at the local Chevron. I believe you have to get a special license to drive
one and I've heard the final exam is a b*tch. Also F-111s tend to provoke
rather extreme reactions in certain 3rd world countries causing people to
fling large pointy objects which explode at you. The upside is you will
never be stuck in rush hour traffic in an F-111.

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> From: papacat webtv.net
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
> Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 5:42 PM
>
> i have played with fords from the 29 a model
> to now and i have never heard of a f-111
> what is it and where can i see a picture of
> one??????????????

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:01:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C Retrofit?

Forwarded for: "Sean R. Kerns"


Hi guys,

Have any of you added A/C to a truck that didn't have it
stock? If so, did you go aftermarket, or try to find and
graft a factory system?

Any recomendations for good aftermarket sources, and general

costs?

My '79 F-250 4x4 is a great truck; but it's black and has no

A/C, and I'm a wimp. Once the temp gets over 85F and the
humidity hits saturation, I'm dyin' - esp. in stop and go
traffic. Ugh.

Thanks,

Sean

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and they _are_ out to get you."
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:08:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 63f100needs help

Forwarded for Kevin Vaughan :

hello guys, i have a 63 f 100 my tube in shifter is worn what year can
i use to replace the whole steering column with? 3 speed on column or
how about a floor shifter? just got a letter from my city that i can't
have junk truck on property inside or running are my choices. junk !!
they just don't know a pieceof art when it looks them in the face..

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:19:16 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

Ken writes: >>Someone posted a leaf spring company's web on this list
in the last few months. This company supposedly can get you anything.
Anyone remember who it was?

That was probably me: Birmingham Spring
2017 2nd Ave S.
Birmingham, Al.
PH (205) 251-5733

I'm not affiliated in any way, just a very satisfied customer. They
also have the slipjoint type splines that are in driveshafts that are
"fixed" on both ends, and do all sorts of driveshaft remakes.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:39:29 EDT
From: POLING4
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Want to add delay wipers to 67-72

Hey Joe The Ford Guy:

I thought of the same thing but have not yet found any information on adding
intermittent wiper switch to my 1972 F-100. If you have any info on this
modification
please email me at POLING4 aol.com.

Thanx's

Rick
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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:59:48 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A/C Retrofit?

>Have any of you added A/C to a truck that didn't have it
>stock? If so, did you go aftermarket, or try to find and
>graft a factory system?
>Any recomendations for good aftermarket sources, and general
>costs?
>My '79 F-250 4x4 is a great truck; but it's black and has no
>A/C, and I'm a wimp. Once the temp gets over 85F and the
>humidity hits saturation, I'm dyin' - esp. in stop and go
>traffic. Ugh.
>Sean

I added AC to my '78 F150. I went to the junk yard and grabbed all the AC
stuff from a '79 Ranger XLT (F100). Bought a new York compressor, clutch,
and had new hoses made. I grabbed the dash, ducts, and AC controls. I
won't go into too much detail on the list - it would be too long.

The wiring harness that was in my truck had provisions for the AC equipment
so I did not need the wiring harness from the donor truck. Ford was
thinking back then. Had to cut the hole in the firewall, modify the
radiator support (cutting and welding support brackets for the radiator and
condenser). No real major modifications had to be made other than the hole
in the firewall for the evaporator/blower box. It was a time consuming
task - taking an entire week from start to finish. Total cost was ~$325.
Did all the work myself with friends. Only thing I paid to have done was
the hoses. Used methanol to clean the condenser, evaporator, and the
hoses. (regular rubbing alcohol will work fine - just blow it out good
with compressed air). Drained the mineral oil from the new compressor and
put in the proper amount of POE oil (Polyol Ester). Did the vacuum checks
and put the system on a vacuum (29") for two hours and charged the system
with 3.5 cans of R134A. Works great. Ohh, I replaced the expansion valve
and thermostatic switch (included in the cost I quoted)

Wish I would have taken pictures - would have been a great addition to my
Ford Fan web site.

Email me off the list for a more details.

Mike

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:07:16 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Window Rattlers

Tom you wanted to know about window rattlers from Obsolete. I
purchased window rattler kits from Melvins Classic Ford Parts. Dennis
Carpenter makes them. If Obsolete sells the same items made by Dennis
Carpenter then get them, they are very good.
Garry
Powder Springs, GA
1967 F100 longbed

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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:14:15 -0400
From: jeff bogart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck for sale

Just thought I would let everyone know of a truck I found this weekend.
It's a 63 Ford Stepside, 6 cyl, 3 speed. $1500. I don't have the funds
to buy
it, and if anyone is interested, email me.
It's on the way from Atlanta to Pigeon Forge (near Cleveland GA)

I look forward to seeing everyone at Pigeon Forge!!!

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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:45:01 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

papacat webtv.net wrote:

> i have played with fords from the 29 a model
> to now and i have never heard of a f-111
> what is it and where can i see a picture of
> one??????????????

It's a 4x.

bye now
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:49:37 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: F-111...was: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts

Bill Beyer wrote:

> Well they're very rare and very fast. Problem is they only seat 2 people
> and they suck ALLOT of fuel, usually JP4 which is a little hard to come by
> at the local Chevron. I believe you have to get a special license to drive
> one and I've heard the final exam is a b*tch. Also F-111s tend to provoke
> rather extreme reactions in certain 3rd world countries causing people to
> fling large pointy objects which explode at you. The upside is you will
> never be stuck in rush hour traffic in an F-111.
>
> ----------
> > From: papacat webtv.net
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Obsolete Ford Parts
> > Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 5:42 PM
> >
> > i have played with fords from the 29 a model
> > to now and i have never heard of a f-111
> > what is it and where can i see a picture of
> > one??????????????

Well I guess I was wrong about it being a 4x4. ;)
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:32:04 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Turn signals

I went back out to the junkyard and the owner gave me the steering wheel.
Turns out that there is a sleeve that slides over the neck on the under side
of the steering wheel that has a pin that activates the c*ncellers. I also
got a spring and bullet for the horn reluctor, but the insulator is shot, so
I'll probaly have to get a new one of those.

The slack in the column is history and with a little WD on the switch, the
signals work like a charm, c*ncellers and all. The horn will be next. I have....


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