61-79-list-digest Sunday, May 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 260



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement
FTE 61-79 - F-100 nationals parade
re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressu
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Press
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion
FTE 61-79 -Correction: Pigeon Forge pavillion
FTE 61-79 - Colorado Truck Fest
FTE 61-79 - Traction Bars
FTE 61-79 - engine
FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers
FTE 61-79 - Soft Brakes update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers
FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs
FTE 61-79 - Headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:34:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement

> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:52:30 -0400
> From: "THE PAVIES'"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement

> look-see at whats really in there. But it's hard to believe Ford
> used rope as an oil seal. Sounds like something you'd use as an
> emergency temporary fix but not as something permanent. Maybe I can
> wind some string around and stick gum on it.

Ever use a bow and arrow? Ever try to make your own bow string?
Ever try to make one work with no wax on it? What happens when you
wax it?

The rope seals were very durable but very difficult to replace and
not too forgiving of worn bearings but were used by many manufactures
back then. I haven't seen one in so long I can't remember if there
is any rubber parts to them but there was no rod so thay can't be
driven out like the rubber ones, they have to be pulled out or the
engine has to be pulled and worked on on a stand.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 15:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-100 nationals parade

for those of you who are planning to go ...and meet for the parade
(previously reported to be at 12:00 noon...

word from Pat Ford the organizer of the show..

Parade is at 5:00 p.m. on Saturday...just like every year...

the plan to meet is still a good idea but the parade won't be there
to meet us at 12 noon

c yall there....I'm getting all giddy

john
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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 17:26:31 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

RGR
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Original Text
From "Melayne Arnold" , on 5/8/98 5:08 PM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE[]

Deacon,
Thanks for the thought but Susie is full of oil. I've still got an old
distributor made into an oiler in her and I go out every 4 or 5 days and
hook a drill up to it to keep the top end covered in oil.

For Sgt Whitehead: my dad sez OOO-f___ing-RAH!

Bud Arnold

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:15:15 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Pressu

>What I'm trying to say is that you can use the vacuum gauge to help
>you find the sweet spot and improve the economy but you have to make
>all your tests on level ground with a very steady throttle to get an
>accurate value to compare to. On a hill all you are showing is how
>far you have the pedal down which is what you see on level ground too
>but on a hill you have no way to reference anything for comparison.
>(well I suppose you could if the hill were long enough and
>consistant)

I see your point. That is why I'm changing rear end gears so I can get the
highway cruise rpm in the sweet spot range. I can get a 3.50 and 3.90:1
ring and pinion sets from my Uncle so I have a choice of the two. With the
3.50:1, I would be turning ~2100 at 70 Mph. Not turning fast enough -
espcially if I'm fighting a head wind. With the 3.9oos I will turn ~2400
at 70. That leaves me with enough horespower to sustain speed through wind
and road changes. (hills, etc.)


>The guys at Reider Racing tried to tell me that I should gear my
>truck to run 2400-2500 rpm at 60 for best economy but the fact that
>ford uses 1800 rpm almost across the board and manages to get 30 mpg
>in the tbirds for instance tells me that it's all in the cam. You
>need to gear it to the cam. A torque cam should handle lower rpm at
>criuse and get better mileage, all other things being equal but there
>are torque cams and then there are..............

Stock engines probably have cams in the 190-195 duration which produce a
lot more torque. I used to have more torque, but I put on full length 1
1/2" primary headers and 2 1/4" dual exhaust with Dynomax Super Turbos.
Back pressure has dropped and low end torque has suffered. I have an
Edelbrock 600 CFM carb w/Edlebrock Performer intake and 9.6:1 CR. I run
93 octane at all times and a lot of mechanical advance. At idle I have it
a 16 degrees, then by 1500 RPM I'm already at 25 degrees. I max out at
3000 RPMs with 30-35 degrees.

>I've found that it really does depend on the application and your
>driving style. A 302 in a 5k# brick needs more gear no matter what
>cam you put in it but a 460 for instance can tolerate much taller
>gearing in the same vehicle and get better economy than it would
>running it at the rpm considered to be it's sweet spot. I'm
>reasonably sure the torque peak on my 460 is well above 1800 but
>that's about where it runs at 60 and does better than it did with
>lower gearing.

I'd go for more cubes any day, but I'm stuck with the 'lil 306 and for it's
size it does a pretty good job - sometimes. That truck can snap from a
standstill in a hurry. Co-workers were surprised to find out it is just a
306.

>I don't want to tell anyone how to set up their truck but if I were
>doing it myself I'd take a look at all the parts and see what I could
>change to make the engine more responsive at lower rpm and then look
>at the gearing if it still wasn't enough but my bronco is a daily
>driver and I don't tow with it much so economy is sort of at the top
>of my list. The pu has plenty of oooommph with the tall gearing so I
>don't need to fix it but the bronco is in the back of my head all the
>time, should I or shouldn't I try something taller, lower.....:-)
>-- Gary --

Only other mod I'd like to make is to put on a better/hotter ignition
system. Everything on my truck has been worked over. I'm running out of
things to do to my truck.. Once I get the rear end gears in, all that is
left is body work and a paint job. Engine is new, new OD tranny, and
proper rear end gears. Suspension is great, interior is great (could be
better). I now have air conditioning (truck was not factory equipped with
AC). System uses R134a refigerant and it is a factory AC setup - no under
dash thing.

Now if I can just keep my amplifier from turning off and on by itself, I'll
be a happy camper. Stick a humdinger 130 amp alty in there and power the
neighborhood. yeah now we're cooking :-)

Mike

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:23:59 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel Press

> Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 16:15:15 -0500
> From: Mike Schwall
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Alternato Wiring Problem - Now Fuel
> Now if I can just keep my amplifier from turning off and on by
> itself, I'll be a happy camper. Stick a humdinger 130 amp alty in
> there and power the neighborhood. yeah now we're cooking :-)

My radio quit working about the same time I started having trouble
with the gas pedal..................Dang amp fell off the dash mount
:-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:57:58 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge pavillion

Need a quick informal poll of who (of the people going to the
F100 Supernationals) would be interested in meeting Sunday
morning (16th) for a breakfast before everyone leaves the
show? Everyone would bring their own stuff, perhaps stop at
McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts. Gary Bowling, one of the 61-79
list members, may be able to get us a pavillion on Sunday
morning. If we can get enough people interested (10+) then
we'll do it. How does a 9:00am get-together sound?

Ken Payne
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:20:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 -Correction: Pigeon Forge pavillion

Correction on the Pigeon Forge Pavillion time: it would be
8:00am till whenever. No need to be there promptly at 8 if
you're sleeply.

Ken Payne
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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:18:30 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Colorado Truck Fest

I see where the Truck Fest is coming up May 23 at Pikes Peak Raceway in
Colorado Springs. Dave R. and I are planning on heading down from
Boulder/Louisville. Are there any other Colorado guys interested in meeting up
with us either there or carpooling?

Please send me a message and we can line it up....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:58:43 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Traction Bars

Can anyone give me good upper estimate on how much torque would be measured at
the rear wheels for a good, strong-running 428? I just need an upper ballpark
figure here....I think that with that number, I can calculate about how much
force will be transmitted to a set of traction bars (I'm trying to eliminate
wrap-up), and therefore decide on what diameter they should be and what the
brackets I'm going to make need to be able to handle.....

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:11:18 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine

I have a 1967 F-100 Custom Cab with a long bed and a 240 mated with a Ford
3-speed transmission. I was wondering if anyone knew what I need to do to
put a 1977 390 with a C6 that was in a F250 Ranger that also had a long bed,
in my truck.


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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 21:43:22 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers

Hey all

I'm doing mini overhaul on my dana 60 front before I install it. Both
front calipers seem to be frozen big time and use alum pistons. Any
chance of getting them freed up? Anyone price these recently?

OX
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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 21:42:36 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Soft Brakes update

Well I took everyones advice and bled my brakes to day. Had SWMBO set
in the cab pressing the brake pedal while I bled each wheel. Pedal does
seem better however, I notice it still goes down but not near as fast.
Should I try bleeding them again to see if there is possibly anymore air
in the lines or should I just forget it and replace the 6 month old
Master Cylinder....Yours thoughts and suggestions are most appreciated.
Garry

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Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 19:25:35 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers

Yes the Power-Lok is a clutch type limited slip, not a true locker. It's
quite strong having 4 spider gears instead of the 2 that the Trac Lok has.
Clutches still wear out tho' and you do need special fluid additive.

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> From: BDIJXS
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers
> Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 6:52 AM
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Isn't the Dana Power-Lok the limited slip setup (clutches)?
>
> This is sounding better and better....I really don't need the big "bangs"
from
> time to time....I just wonder how often the clutches wear out....
>
> Thanks everyone for all the input....
>
> Colorado Jeff
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:34:40 -0000
From: "Kevin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My front leaf springs

My front leaf springs on my 64 Ford have just about seen there last bounce.
Any advice on what to do? I don't want to go through the trouble of
independent front suspension. Is there any late model vehicle I can use the
springs off of?



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Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:28:58 -0700
From: Mike & Cheryl Haldeman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headlights

I have been lurking to this list for several months, feel like I already
know some of you. Wish I could join everybody at Pigeon Forge but no
dice this year.
I have a 1976 F250 with 360, C6 and lots of rust. While leaving work the
other night I turned on my headlights, turned them back off so another
co-worker could see oncoming traffic, then turned them back on. Nothing,
nada, zippo. It is a real thrill to drive home at 12:30 a.m. with no
lights. Tailights, brake lights and all accessories still worked AFAIK.
I checked the fuses but they are all okay. Any ideas?
I also have a problem with the instrument panel. When the headlights are
on and the left turn signal is turned on the high beam indicator flashes
and the left turn arrow dims. When the head lights are off they work
normally. Everything outside works fine either way. Any ideas on this
one?
Finally, does anyone have a copy of a wiring diagram for this truck that
they could email me? Our local library only goes back to 1978. Thanks in
advance.
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:40:14 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - twin piston calipers

I haven't priced them, but if it'll help I have an extra one that you
can just have if you want. Also question for you. Does the 60 use the
same rotors as the 44HD? I'm just curious.

luxjo thecore.com wrote:
>
> Hey all
>
> I'm doing mini overhaul on my dana 60 front before I install it. Both
> front calipers seem to be frozen big time and use alum pistons. Any
> chance of getting them freed up? Anyone price these recently?
>
> OX
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