61-79-list-digest Friday, May 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 257



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Enthused
FTE 61-79 - RE: Soft Brakes
FTE 61-79 - Re: MerChrysler-Benz
FTE 61-79 - two cents
FTE 61-79 - Soft locker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: MerChrysler-Benz
FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....
FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga
re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Soft Brakes
FTE 61-79 - '69 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Name
FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 shifter bushings???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Name
FTE 61-79 - Floppy Shifter
FTE 61-79 - Rare Find!

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:32:03 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Enthused

Stu writes: >>I am shooting for next year with the truck and beleive it or
not, my wife is pumped about me taking my truck next show. In fact, she
even wants to go to share in the show experience.
I need to figure out what she has been doing differently to show so much
enthuisasm!
I am perplexed!

Did she, by chance, see your "post" expressing your desire to have a wife
supportive and helpful in your Ford Truck Hobbies????????

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:02:57 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Soft Brakes

Garry,
The problem you describe is probably not the booster. The booster only
applies more force to the input shaft of the master cylinder. If the
booster did go bad then the only result I can think of would be
increased pedal effort. The pedal is mechanically connected to the
input shaft of the master cylinder through the booster. The only thing
that would cause your pedal to go down with continued applied force is a
leak somewhere in the system. This could be at the wheel cylinders
(drum brakes) or the calipers (disk brakes) or at the master cylinder.
In my experience twice it has been the master cylinder. First and most
important CHECK YOUR BRAKE FLUID LEVEL NOW!!!! If there is a leak which
is what you describe then the system is loosing fluid and will
eventually fail and according to Murphy it absolutely WILL be at the
WORST POSSIBLE moment. If the fluid level is down this confirms my leak
theroy. Now look for the source of the leak. Pull all of the wheels
off and look for fluid leaks. Tip DO NOT ably brake pressure with the
rear drums removed. the pistons will just run out of the cylinders and
make a huge mess. If you cannot locate a leak at any wheel and there is
no apparent leak at the master cylinder the problem is probably the
master cylinder. In both of my situations ( 1 Ford truck and 1 bewyuck)
it was the master cylinder and there was no external evidence of a leak.
Where did the fluid go? It leaked around the seals of the piston and
into the vacuum booster. If this is the case then you may want to
remove the booster and let the brake fluid drain out.

Hope this helps and if you have any more questions just ask.

Tom H.




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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 21:46:14 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Soft brakes

Recently I have noticed that my brake pedal tends to go down toward the
stop when pressure is applied for extended period. I think the break
booster is bad (it came from a a wreck). I do not think I have a vacuum
leak. Is it possible that the booster is bad and the diagraphm inside
it is gone bad. I purchased a new booster (re-man) for $95. I have
not installed it yet. Just want to make sure it is the problem. Any
suggestions.
Garry
1967 F100 Longbed


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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 09:27:39 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: MerChrysler-Benz

> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mercedes and Chrysler merger
>
> At 02:52 PM 6/6/98 -0000, you wrote:
> >And how is that going that going to effect my 64 pickup or anything Ford
> >makes?
>
> I'm sorry you feel this way. I don't see how Ford and GM can't be
> effected. This is not small potatoes but an opportunity for Dodge
> to have some serious development cash. A deal of this size will
> cause the other 2 big guys to reconsider their current strategies.
>

Amen. Look at it this way, IF the merger had created a company larger
than
GM, then we may have had the unthinkable happen! Poor Stu, it might have
killed him!

> The new firm, DaimlerChrysler will rank No. 5 among world auto makers, behind
> General Motors, Ford, Toyota and Volkswagen.

Of course, we could still see something wierd like Foryota, or
Volknissan. I'll
bet we're not done yet . .

In the last few years, there have been mega-mergers among the western
railroads.
Rio Grande buys the Southern Pacific. Burlington Northern and Santa Fe
merge,
knocking Union Pacific from thier perch at the top. UP protests, and
fights for
a few few months, then rolls over. A few months later, UP buys SP,
reclaiming
the top. Oh, the SP and UP merged once before, nearly a hundred years
ago, but
the US government wouldn't allow it. The current status: Instead of five
major
railroads west of the Mississippi, there are two, which are, of course,
jockying
for position to merge with one of the remaining Eastern roads, etc, etc.

FTC: All of the above railroads transport Ford trucks around the
country:-)

FTE: A big thanks to Ken and Peggy for their hard work. The digests are
flying
again! Now, if I could only find that great tip Hank wrote when the
digests were
going to the bit bucket:-)

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California - Where the hell is Pigeon Forge, anyway?

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:30:21 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - two cents

My poor baby is in the shop today for 1.) recharge the air conditioner. It
got to 102 in Killeen (Central Texas) on Wednesday. 2.) front end
alignment. 3.) new differential oil. They called me a little while ago and
said I need u-joints. Bummer. I'll do those myself, thank you. I needed a
longer list anyway.

Garry,
Listen to these guys about your brakes; they have certainly enlightened me
on Ford systems. Genrally, a soft brake pedal indicates master cylinder
problems, not booster problems. When the booster goes out is when you start
building leg muscles 'cause that pedal gets very hard to push. I have a
stuck proportioning valve on my truck. That causes the fluid to dump from
one part of the system to the other resulting in fluid overflow at the
master cylinder and in my case no rear brake action. (I have done a little
temporary re-engineering to solve this problem.) The short of ti: don't be
surprised if the booster problem doesn't cure the problem.

Jack,
On the rear main rope seal: I had C***y 350 that leaked a steady stream so
much so as to be undrivable. The problem was the rubber part of the seal on
the pan. The engine had been allowed to run hot for too long ang the seal
cracked and broke, thus the stream. The upper portion of the seal, the rope
part, was not damaged and did not leak, so I left it alone. I did all of
this under the truck without pulling the engine. I guess I was lucky or
young and stupid or a little of both. Unless you are going to pull the
engine anyway, it might be worth a pan gasket set to try.

I wish I made $85 per hour. I thought I was doing good at $27.50 with
summers off and two weeks at Christmas. Huh Stu?

Ken and Peggy,
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank
you, Thank you,
I could overload the server and never say it enough.

Someone asked about prices of southern trucks. Here are some samples from
yesterday's paper. If you want details, e-mail me direct and I'll send you
the whole ad(s):

1977 F-150 shortbed, rebuilt V-8, partially restored. $1750.

1972 F-100, 350 (sic) Windsor, three speed, PS, air, runs good. $800.

1976 Ford F-150, 460 cid, needs timing chain. $300.

I wanted the last one for myself, but SWMBO vetoed the idea. I double
checked and those are the published prices. I have not seen any of them,
but we don't salt roads in the winter, we are a long way from the ocean,
and we don't have any chemical plants. We do have an Army base and
sometimes we get some foreign (non-Texas) trucks. Hope this helps anyone
who is thinking of coming south to hunt their next project.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
1979 MC (my son is rebellious)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:42:16 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Soft locker

gary writes: >>Define "soft locker" for us? The Detroit soft locker
is still a locker and solidly locks the axles. Are you excluding this
one?

Would this be "lockright" or is it "lockrite" brand????

I have one (whichever way it is spelled) in a Ford Corp rear that was
in a F250 of '87 vintage. Works great, and I don't get any Popping or
cracking that I've noticed. I purchased it from Reider Racing in
Warren, Mi.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 11:43:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: MerChrysler-Benz

>Amen. Look at it this way, IF the merger had created a company larger
>than
>GM, then we may have had the unthinkable happen! Poor Stu, it might have
>killed him!

Thanks for thinking of me. Actually, I have a closet fondness of certain
Chryslers like the 426 Hemi's and 440's........The Benz autos are simply
well crafted, couldn't afford one, wouldn't afford one even if I could.
But.......
Again, Thanks for the thought!! It is nice to know someone is thinking of me
and my favorite company.....GM!

>Pat Brown
>Sebastopol, California - Where the hell is Pigeon Forge, anyway?


In my home state of Tennessee.......ever seen Deliverence? A few miles
from where parts of it were filmed!! Don't be afraid!! It's OK! In the
Smokey Mountain Park area. Biggest gathering of F-100's? Maybe, I hear
there are several of them that show. Take a trip from on the left coast and
visit us!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:19:20 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....

>From: ROSITCH ssrl.slac.stanford.edu
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - This Just In....
>
>You may not be aware of it, but according to Autoweek
>the latest Ferrari show car is called (drumroll please)....
>The F-100!

Yo Dan:

Ford shouldn't have abandoned that name in the early 80s! OTOH, McLaren
got away w/ calling their supercar the F1. Maybe Ford should have kept the
rights to that one, too!

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

P.S. Count my vote for the fez. You just can't beat the look of a fez for
distinctive headgear, instant recognition, and a subtle but no-nonsense
signal of wilda** partying! How about different tassle colors for Y-block
lovers, FE lovers, 385 lovers, small-block lovers, and M-block devotees?
Flathead lovers could go sans tassle :-).


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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:01:29 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....

Thanks for your message at 01:19 PM 5/8/98 -0600, Dave Resch. Your message
was:
>P.S. Count my vote for the fez. You just can't beat the look of a fez for
>distinctive headgear, instant recognition, and a subtle but no-nonsense
>signal of wilda** partying! How about different tassle colors for Y-block
>lovers, FE lovers, 385 lovers, small-block lovers, and M-block devotees?
>Flathead lovers could go sans tassle :-).
>
Is your thinking on the flathead because of no overhead, hence no tassle?
Probably should be no hat or even hair for a flathead devotee. I hope I'm
not offending anyone.

The color of the tassle would be the color of the engine block?

I remember studying tassles, but on on fez's ( At least I don't think
that's what they called 'em).

I apologize for all of this. My week just ended and I'm a little Deacony.
I'm jumping into my FT 351C and hitting the road. Those students better
stay out of my way!

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:02:18 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: This Just In....

From: Dennis Pearson
>Thanks for your message at 01:19 PM 5/8/98 -0600, Dave Resch. Your
message
>was:
> >P.S. Count my vote for the fez. You just can't beat the look of a
fez for
>>distinctive headgear, instant recognition, and a subtle but
no-nonsense
>>signal of wilda** partying! How about different tassle colors for
Y-block
>>lovers, FE lovers, 385 lovers, small-block lovers, and M-block
devotees?
>>Flathead lovers could go sans tassle :-).

>I remember studying tassles, but on on fez's ( At least I don't think
>that's what they called 'em).

No matter how funny you think it would be Dennis, do not show up wearing
pasties.

>I apologize for all of this. My week just ended and I'm a little
Deacony.
>I'm jumping into my FT 351C and hitting the road. Those students
better
>stay out of my way!

Danger Will Robertson Danger! If anyone sees a big old bearded guy at a
Ford function wearing nothing but pasties with twirling tassels, say hi
to Dennis! :)

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:08:37 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

Deacon,
Thanks for the thought but Susie is full of oil. I've still got an old
distributor made into an oiler in her and I go out every 4 or 5 days and
hook a drill up to it to keep the top end covered in oil.

For Sgt Whitehead: my dad sez OOO-f___ing-RAH!

Bud Arnold

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:02:59 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Susie's Saga

>From Bud
>Deacon,
> Thanks for the thought but Susie is full of oil. I've still got an
old
>distributor made into an oiler in her and I go out every 4 or 5 days
and
>hook a drill up to it to keep the top end covered in oil.

Stoney has taught you well my friend. :) I know I've learned something
here. So how long till you fire it up? I know you have to wait till
Monday for the trans and I know that's going to feel like a year (sorry)
but after that what needs to be done. When people on the list get this
close the end of a project, I get anxious too. I have no idea why
either. It's just cool to read "I fired it up".

>For Sgt Whitehead: my dad sez OOO-f___ing-RAH!

I like your dads way with words. :) Keep us posted!
Later!


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Date: Fri, 8 May 98 16:05:57 -0400
From: "SGT WILLIAM A WHITED"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Soft Brakes

Gary, I had a similar problem with my 74 F100 Ranger Super Cab. It
started with a bad rear brake line, the rubber one that comes from the
frame to the axle, which happened to be off of a 75(found out after the
parts guy pulled every brake line off the self), that helped. But my pedal
still went to the floor, replaced the master cylinder, didn't help ended up
being a bad proportioning value and master booster. But with the booster
you were able to hear a small vacuum leak. Just what I went through with
mine. Tony

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
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Original Text
From "Hogan, Tom" , on 5/8/98 12:02 PM:
To: SMTP3 SMTP3 MCB LEJEUNE["'Ford Trucks'" ]

Garry,
The problem you describe is probably not the booster. The booster only
applies more force to the input shaft of the master cylinder. If the
booster did go bad then the only result I can think of would be
increased pedal effort. The pedal is mechanically connected to the
input shaft of the master cylinder through the booster. The only thing
that would cause your pedal to go down with continued applied force is a
leak somewhere in the system. This could be at the wheel cylinders
(drum brakes) or the calipers (disk brakes) or at the master cylinder.
In my experience twice it has been the master cylinder. First and most
important CHECK YOUR BRAKE FLUID LEVEL NOW!!!! If there is a leak which
is what you describe then the system is loosing fluid and will
eventually fail and according to Murphy it absolutely WILL be at the
WORST POSSIBLE moment. If the fluid level is down this confirms my leak
theroy. Now look for the source of the leak. Pull all of the wheels
off and look for fluid leaks. Tip DO NOT ably brake pressure with the
rear drums removed. the pistons will just run out of the cylinders and
make a huge mess. If you cannot locate a leak at any wheel and there is
no apparent leak at the master cylinder the problem is probably the
master cylinder. In both of my situations ( 1 Ford truck and 1 bewyuck)
it was the master cylinder and there was no external evidence of a leak.
Where did the fluid go? It leaked around the seals of the piston and
into the vacuum booster. If this is the case then you may want to
remove the booster and let the brake fluid drain out.

Hope this helps and if you have any more questions just ask.

Tom H.




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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 21:46:14 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Soft brakes

Recently I have noticed that my brake pedal tends to go down toward the
stop when pressure is applied for extended period. I think the break
booster is bad (it came from a a wreck). I do not think I have a vacuum
leak. Is it possible that the booster is bad and the diagraphm inside
it is gone bad. I purchased a new booster (re-man) for $95. I have
not installed it yet. Just want to make sure it is the problem. Any
suggestions.
Garry
1967 F100 Longbed


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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:53:32 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '69 F-250

Could someone please decode this VIN for me. We picked up this truck today
and have no idea what we have.

F25YLVD19536

Thanks,
Stoney

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:32:00 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Name

Bill Adams writes: >>Now Just what are we going to nickname
ourselves?

My vote goes to "Henries Heroes"

Azie
Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:52:30 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 Seal Replacement

Thanks to all who answered my post about the leaky rear seal. If the
rain ever stops I'll drop the oil pan, as Gary suggested, and take a
look-see at whats really in there. But it's hard to believe Ford used
rope as an oil seal. Sounds like something you'd use as an emergency
temporary fix but not as something permanent. Maybe I can wind some
string around and stick gum on
it.
Lucky for me the 76 is not my main ride. I mostly drive a 90 E150 (hey,
it just turned 197000 miles!) and -eat your hearts out- once in a while
my wife lets me drive our 95 4wd F350 powerstroke 7.3L
crewcab.
Anyway, maybe I'll end up defering this leak repair for a while, keep an
eye on the oil level, and try not to feel too guilty when I see the guy
behind me spin out on my oil drippage... Jack P.
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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 shifter bushings???

>Any one got a way to make the shift lever ball joint in the top of this
>Trans reliably water tight?


Try a CV Joint boot.....

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:15:39 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Name

> My vote goes to "Henries Heroes"


I'll second that....... except the spelling..... how about:

" Henry's Heroes "



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96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !

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Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:31:48 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Floppy Shifter

> There is a groove cut into the hemispherical part, and a short pin
which fits through a hole in the race, and into the groove (hope that
makes sense). Anyway, my pin looks like my frisbee after the dog gets it
- -- chewed. Also, the groove is prettys sad-looking. Maybe time for a new
shifter?

Damian. When I bought my T18 from the junk yard it had the same proplem.
I checked around and could not find a replacement shifter. I finally took
the worn out shifter to a metal fabrication shop and had the grove welded
up and remachined in place. The machinest even gave me a hardened steel
dowel to use as a pin. Worked like a charm but the fix cost around 30
bucks.

Jon E. Purut
Pickup65 juno.com
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1965 F100 SWB Daily Driver
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Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 21:55:38 -0500
From: Marsha Herrmann
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rare Find!

Gentlemen,
I have just came across a very rare find here in the central Indiana area.
It is a 1976 Ford F-350 Ranger XLT Regular cab 4x4, Big V-8 (have not seen
under the hood yet), Automatic, and only original 18,000 miles! The person
has owned since 1977, was in storage inside for about 10 yrs, outside for
the last 10 yrs, only driven about 3 times per year, runs like new so he
says, paint is solid black and he repainted 2 yrs ago because paint faded
outside, body & trim all in excellent shape, vinyl seat is uncracked, so is
dash, steering wheel is though, camper shell has always been on bed (8') so
inside is perfect, no rust anywhere, even the frame still has much of the
original black coating on it!

This is a real blast from the past! I mean one heavy-duty high ridden....


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