61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 6 1998 Volume 02 : Number 248



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader
FTE 61-79 - 429 police interceptor w/c6
FTE 61-79 - Highboy INFO
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy INFO
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge is right around the corner.
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 60 front
FTE 61-79 - Food in Pigeon Forge
FTE 61-79 - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
Re: FTE 61-79 - who's going to Pigeon forge ?
FTE 61-79 - RE: Piegon Forge - Suggested meeting place.
Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 60 front
Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?
RE: FTE 61-79 - 429 police interceptor w/c6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge is right around the corner.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Light?
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Lockers

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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:08:24 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toploader

it depends all what comes with the trans.if it has a shifter,bell housing and
flywheel
with it,it is probably worth 700.00 max,to a person looking for one with a
fairlane
shifter and small block bell hous and flywheel,of course the shifter could be
modified to work,or a better choice would be to install a hurst made for a
truck.if you have a
352-460 engine the 289 bell hous won't work the 352-428 has a round pattern
the 351m,400m,429,& 460 use a different pattern.i have a 4 speed out of a 69
mustang with the shifter,flywheel and bell housing for 600.00 its for a 351w

thanks,jeff grant
griffin,ga.
78 f150 4x4
69 mach 1
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:42:09 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 police interceptor w/c6

i have a 72 429 police interceptor engine for sale,it has the D2OE
heads,(better than the cj heads in low to mid range rpm horsepower,and
definitely make better low end torque)also has factory forged pistons,cobra
jet rods,the engine was running excellent,right now the heads are off and the
cam is out.i also have a offenhauser
aluminum intake to go with it,(dual plane)
i have the same engine in my 78 f150 4x4 and compete in truck pulls,i
normaly
place 1st in the 4x4 street modified class,the truck and engine are all
stock,but they
won't let me pull in the stock class,no fun anyway,alot of late model fords
with 302
and chevy's with 305 & 350,the new dodge normaly takes 1st in that class. in
my class i pull against small and big blocks with aluminum
intakes,cams,headers and
so on and mine has none of that,just an old 72 429 pi,with a cast iron cj
intake,
(i had to take the alum.off for the street class,didn't make any
difference)stock exhaust manifolds,and a 650 holley carb,
i also have a c6 trans to go with the engine.

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:40:46 -0400
From: Adam
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboy INFO

I have a few questions for you guys that know all about 67-79 Ford
trucks.

1-I've been reading a lot of messages about "Highboys". What exactly
is a "Highboy" ??? What years are covered?? Are there any serial
numbers or VIN #s that correspond to highboy models? Is this a real
option from the factory?? What else is there to know about Highboys? I
neeeed info!

2-I'm dying to get my hands on a 1970 - 1972 (1971-72 being the sweet
spot for looks IMHO) F250 4x4 that I can restore (must be 3/4 ton, must
be 4x4) Since I live in NH most of them are rusted away or selling for
big bucks, and they're rare. I plan to take a trip south in the coming
year to see what is available down south. Where should I start
looking?? Are there still lots of old F250s down south that are in ok
shape? How much can I expect to pay for what I'm describing?

Adam

I don't own one yet!!
My Uncle:
1970 F100 2wd 302
1971 F250 4x4 360 199,000 mi & Tired!! "Big Red"
1997 F250 4x4 351
My Dad:
1977 F150 4x4 351M "The Green Truck"
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:04:48 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboy INFO

down here in georgia the 64-79 4x4 craze is alive and well,every now and then
you may see one in rough but restorable condition for around 2500.00 and for a
decent
looking truck in good running and driveable condition expect to pay up to
7-8000.00

jeff grant
griffin,ga.
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 02:07:44 -0500
From: "Brian Forbes"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge is right around the corner.

Hi everyone,

Well, its almost here. I too, plan on being at the Super Nats. This will be
my third year in attendance. This has become a family tradition, and most
of my kin go also. It just happens that the females only like to shop. Go
figure. My nephew even likes the old Fords. He EXPECTS me to hand over the
keys to my 66 F100 when he turns 16, so he can smoke the meats at school.

We need to remember about the parade of trucks at noon on Saturday. I think
we should meet about 9 or 10 Sat morning. If we dont get a booth then we
should try to meet ,probably, in front of the Convention Center, under the
canopy. Just my $.02

I was also wondering if anyone planned on taking their truck to the show. I
wont be taking my baby this year, the heads need some more work. Oh well,
thats life.

Talk to you guys later,
Brian Forbes

65 F100 Camper Special 352, NP435
66 F100 Customizing 302, C6
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 01:59:11 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

I wont be able to make it to the show, I'm sorry to say. I was on medical
leave 12 weeks last year getting my eyeballs realigned (three surgeries)and
have to have a real good reason to be off. (anyone want to be my dying
relative?)I've been to the Street Machine Nats in Duquoin, IL and
Springfield, MO (my former stompin' grounds) and they do get in your blood.

Just an idea, how about someone doing a little videotaping of the event and
the associated comraderie to sell to us "shut-ins". Just tape it and offer
it up on the website. Of course I will be even sicker when I see what I
missed....

I'll be looking forward to the next event that we might assemble at, just
hope I can slip the leash next time.


Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:16:09 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

At 01:59 AM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I wont be able to make it to the show, I'm sorry to say. I was on medical
>leave 12 weeks last year getting my eyeballs realigned (three surgeries)and
>have to have a real good reason to be off. (anyone want to be my dying
>relative?)I've been to the Street Machine Nats in Duquoin, IL and
>Springfield, MO (my former stompin' grounds) and they do get in your blood.
>

Come quick, I don't have much time left. The doctor says its a matter
of days....


>Just an idea, how about someone doing a little videotaping of the event and
>the associated comraderie to sell to us "shut-ins". Just tape it and offer
>it up on the website. Of course I will be even sicker when I see what I
>missed....
>

Great idea. I wish I had one. I've been telling myself for 4 years I'd
buy one but my computer and truck habits keep eating the money first. I
do plan on taking a ton of photographics tough (about 10 rolls). Time
to call my brother to scam, er, uhm, borrow the video camera.

>I'll be looking forward to the next event that we might assemble at, just
>hope I can slip the leash next time.
>
>
>Ballinger
>ballingr ldd.net
>

Maybe we can get someone to represent us at a West Coast show? That would
be cool.

Ken


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:20:05 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

At 07:07 PM 5/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>My FE block 67 F100 has a C6. I haven't met anyone yet who's had
>>a C4 behind an FE. I think an FE would make minced meat of a C4.
>>
>
> See my last post.....
>Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
>'63 F100 Longbox
>

Steve,

While I agree that the C4 is a fine tranny I'll also argue that
it just isn't up to handling as torque, in stock form, as a
C6. There's good reason that Ford put the C6 behind many of
the applications that they choose. Non stock is another matter,
but then again, a C6 can be built up to be extremely strong.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:18:13 -0400
From: George Herpich
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AUCTION

That's ebay.com

OldTrux wrote:

> Someone mentioned an auction site on the WWW where they were able to purchase
> shop manuals, etc. Since my computer crashed 4/98 I have lost all my "Favorite
> Places". Anyone know where I can find that site?
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:22:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 60 front

Forwarded for canzus seanet.com:
.. Is that normal for the front track to be wider than
>the rear??
>
> OX


Hey OX,

Yes it is the norm for the front to be wider than the rear," the vehicle will
track better and also turn into mid to high speed corners more positively."
according to my front-end specialist buddy.


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox


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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 06:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Food in Pigeon Forge

Garry wrote : " Maybe we could meet and have breakfast together."

Been there several times for truck shows and not...finding a table for
more than 4 people in Pigeon Forge ??? on a truck show weekend ???

Someone better call today and get our name on the waiting list at the
waffle house...

Seriously, I've seen wait times from 1-1/2 at O'Charleys, shoneys etc
to 3 hours at the Apple Barn... big groups usually add to that time..

But hey, who's in a hurry at nite...you can't really see the trucks
that well anyway

I vote for the Apple Barn (west of Pigeon Forge cross the creek) have
a late breakfast on Friday Morn or a farewell breakfast on Sunday morn
Foods great, price reasonable (?) and I can throw a rock to it from
where I'm staying.. ok, so I'm lazy after you guys drive a couple of
days in PF...you'll understand...can you say gridlock ?

c yall there

John

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:51:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Enthusiasts Gathering?

Forwarded to all the lists for:
From: Gary Callahan

Please cc all replies to him! Thanks.

I live in southern California and have been a member of this list for
over six months now. I have enjoyed it very much. I have posted
questions and replied to other postings. I have an idea I'd like to put
forth for concideration. I think it would be great fun to get together
with other members of this list for a weekend outing. I think we could
pick one of the trips from Harry Lewellyn's "glovebox" book on backroad
trips in southern California or if anyone knows of another good day trip
in the area. I think it would be best to limit it to a one-day event
for now. We could all meet at a predetermined location, drive the
scenic backroads to a nice spot for a potluck lunch, then home a
different route. Let me know what you all think of this idea. After
all the Jeep owners have their Jeep Jamboree. Why can't we have a
gathering as well. Send (or post) your thoughts to me soon, the summer
will be over before you know it. For quickest response reply to my
e-mail at work.

Gary Callahan
'81 F-150 Custom 4x4 (400cid I-6 w/4-speed)

GCallahan prodigy.net (home)
callah hninc.com (work)


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Date: Wed, 6 May 98 07:54:39 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping

>Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:23:48 -0400
>From: papacat webtv.net
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
>
>Ronald,
>Do they have catalogs 61-64 trucks?


We currently have 4 different Ford truck catalogs. 1953-1972.
1973-1979. 1992-1998 and 66-77 Bronco. The other two catalogs are
available free to list members if you email me address
(akraft shentel.net). All addresses are kept confidential. Check our
web site for additional information. Secure online ordering is now
available. Thanks, Ron Miller akraft shentel.net

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com

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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 04:56:33 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - who's going to Pigeon forge ?

Though I won't be able to make it this year.
I would like those of you who are to be my eyes.

AFAIK the '64 F100 CrewCab I have is the ONLY
F100 crewcab around, anywhere, as production
started in '65 on only F250/F350's, not F100's.

Keep an eye out for any F100 crewcab and if possible,
tackle the owner, talk them into submission and
have them get in touch with me by any means
possible.

Not only do I have a particular interest in all CrewCabs,
I'm particularly interested in the early pre-production years
to determine the similarities/differences between them. If you
see a custom recently built older crewcab, I'd like to contact them
as well. I've seen a model car of a 20's crew built in the '70's.
If I ever put together a website, it'll be devoted to CrewCabs.

If I ever get enough money together, I would love to
go to Pigeon Forge to display my truck.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
916-355-2523
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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:22:11 -0500
From: Marsha Herrmann
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Piegon Forge - Suggested meeting place.

In responce to your suggestion about getting together someplace in Piegon
Forge:

This will be my 5th straight year to attend the Super Nats. I think I would
cry for a week and have to start taking them little orange pills if I had
to miss a year now! For all first-timers, be preparred to make many more
trips back in the future years! (For me it's 8 hours one way!)

If you just want to meet without the sit-down and drink, then I would
suggest meeting in front of the main doors to the Grand Hotel. This would
keep us a short distance from the BIG crowds.

If you want to meet for breakfast on the grounds the best choice would be
right next door at the APPLE TREE INN (Kens buying!). They offer a buffet
breakfast with everything for about $6.50 person. Plus they have the reg
menu. The Grand also offers a buffet breakfast but has less seatting.
Especially for larger groups. Breakfast crowds peak between 8:00-9:30a.m.
May want to meet around 7:30? The Apple Tree Inn is a bright Red building,
can't miss it!

If you just want to meet for Coffee, soda, etc. and have a sit down, then
the APPLE TREE INN would probably still be the best place before or after
Lunch hour.

Keep in mind people that parking is hard to come by at the Nats. For future
use, take down the names and numbers of the many hotels close to the Grand
so you can make reservations in future years and will always be within
walking distance! This is a big help!! Piegon Forge is PACKED with people
and traffic on that Friday night and all day Saturday! Also, be sure to
bring your lawn chairs for the parade and just watching the cruising at night.

Look forward to meeting you all!

Dan Herrmann




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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:53:06 -0700
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 60 front

Ken Payne wrote:

> Yes it is the norm for the front to be wider than the rear," the vehicle will
> track better and also turn into mid to high speed corners more positively."
> according to my front-end specialist buddy.
>

Well, at least all this extra track will help me with the tilt test
when I go :-). Anyone know drum to drum width for 78 vintage 9" truck
rear.

OX
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:53:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 19:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Steve & Rockette
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block C-4?

> the IHRA Pro Stock, 700+ CID running C4's behind them, so it cant
> really be considered a "weak" transmission, Can It???

Compared to what?? The C-4 has two bands which make it inherently
weaker than the C-6 without any other considerations. The C-6 has a
very large first gear clutch pack which is virtually unbreakable, the
input shaft will break before you hurt that clutch. The Input and
output shafts are larger in the C-6 as well.

As I stated before the C-4 (when nothing else was available or
smaller rotating mass was desired) has been made to withstand up to
600 HP on a race track but why beat yourself up beefing up a C-4 when
a stock C-6 will take one heck of a lot of torque and can be had in
small block configuration as well as BB including the venerable FE???

Another advantage of the C-4 if I heard right is that it had several
gear set ratios available so could be adapted to different vehicle
weights and engine combinations which may have been a factor in it's
popularity for racing. The C-6 only has two sets available but for
most purposes that's enough :-)

If you already have the C-4 mated to your engine and need a little
more reliability then by all means work with it but if you are
building a truck (as opposed to a lighter vehicle) with anything
larger than a 302 engine and are looking for a tranny to mate to it
then I strongly suggest you use the C-6 :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:14:27 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 429 police interceptor w/c6

where do you pull? what gearing? what tire size? what converter? how high the hitch point? tell me more!!

sleddog

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From: JJJJJGRANT[SMTP:JJJJJGRANT aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 12:42 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 police interceptor w/c6


i have the same engine in my 78 f150 4x4 and compete in truck pulls,i
normaly
place 1st in the 4x4 street modified class,the truck and engine are all
stock,but they
won't let me pull in the stock class,no fun anyway,alot of late model fords
with 302
and chevy's with 305 & 350,the new dodge normaly takes 1st in that class. in
my class i pull against small and big blocks with aluminum
intakes,cams,headers and
so on and mine has none of that,just an old 72 429 pi,with a cast iron cj
intake,
(i had to take the alum.off for the street class,didn't make any
difference)stock exhaust manifolds,and a 650 holley carb,
i also have a c6 trans to go with the engine.





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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:27:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge is right around the corner.

>We need to remember about the parade of trucks at noon on Saturday. I think
>we should meet about 9 or 10 Sat morning.

How long does this last??
Saturday is my only day and I sure would like to find parts and look at some
sitting still.

>I was also wondering if anyone planned on taking their truck to the show. I
>wont be taking my baby this year, the heads need some more work. Oh well,
>thats life.

I am shooting for next year with the truck and beleive it or not, my wife is
pumped about me taking my truck next show. In fact, she even wants to go to
share in the show experience.
I need to figure out what she has been doing differently to show so much
enthuisasm!
I am perplexed!

Stu
71 4x4 in 1001 pieces!
visit my homepage at www.pscico.com/stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:29:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

At 01:59 AM 5/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I wont be able to make it to the show, I'm sorry to say. I was on medical
>leave 12 weeks last year getting my eyeballs realigned (three surgeries)and
>have to have a real good reason to be off. (anyone want to be my dying
>relative?)I've been to the Street Machine Nats in Duquoin, IL and
>Springfield, MO (my former stompin' grounds) and they do get in your blood.
>
>Just an idea, how about someone doing a little videotaping of the event and
>the associated comraderie to sell to us "shut-ins". Just tape it and offer
>it up on the website. Of course I will be even sicker when I see what I
>missed....
>
>I'll be looking forward to the next event that we might assemble at, just
>hope I can slip the leash next time.

I will be happy to tape the show and send to you when I return! I would be
honored to help out. This is my 1st show so I might be a little spastic
with the recorder!
I'll try to be steady!

Stu
Nuke GM!
visit my homepage at www.pscico.com/stu

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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 8:27:44 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Light?

I'm headed to the Forge!!!! Yes!!!! ;-)

Now, to the question. I have a '68 Ranger, on the lower left side of the=20
dash there
is a light there. Was this light an emergency brake light? I've seen the=20
same on
a '67. I havn't looked at any other year models. I think I have the bezel=
=20
for this
light, but no lens. What is this thing, how does it go together and what=20
color is
the lens (I assume red). I hope to find this assembly at the Forge.

Thanks,

-Ted
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 8:29:53 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

Saturday works well with me as well. Just let me know when and where.

-Ted
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