61-79-list-digest Monday, May 4 1998 Volume 02 : Number 244



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny
FTE 61-79 - Re: 78-F250 conversion
FTE 61-79 - Rear Blocks
FTE 61-79 - Re:External Hubs
FTE 61-79 - Re:Lift Blocks
FTE 61-79 - Re: Gauges
FTE 61-79 - Re:79 F250 clutch and tranny
FTE 61-79 - Oil
FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge
FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges
FTE 61-79 - Re: Purse Strings and SWMBO's
FTE 61-79 - Re: Gauges
FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
FTE 61-79 - Thanks
RE: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Digest info

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:12:20 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping

At 05:27 AM 5/4/98 , you wrote:
>I own a 1978 F-150. I am looking for a good source for weather stripping. I
>had been looking into JCW but someone said that the stuff that they sells
>starts to crack real soon has anyone else had good expierances with any
>others?
>
>E-mail : bear269 sparc.isl.net
>Please view my home page at:
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I bought door weatherstrip from JCW about two months ago. It's still in
good shape. I just installed window weatherstrip from JCW last Saturday.
It looks to be good quality stuff. I bought the belt weatherstrip and the
regualr window channel that goes on the front, top, and rear of the window
glass. The belt weatherstrip comes with a lifetime warranty and is made by
PUI Interiors. The window channel was about an inch longer then stock. I
had to trim the excess off for a perfect fit. No big deal.

The belt weatherstrip costs $44 for 4 pieces (two per door), and the window
channel was $17 per door. JCW sticks it to you with the shipping. They
charged me $13 for shipping.

The weatherstrip is good quality, but only time will tell. It may be
another story if you live in a high pollution enviroment where you have
higher ozone levels. I live in San Antonio, TX and the pollution is very
minimal compared to places like LA. High ozone levels will cause the
rubber to dry out and start cracking.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 09:36:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping

At 05:27 AM 5/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I own a 1978 F-150. I am looking for a good source for weather stripping. =
I
>had been looking into JCW but someone said that the stuff that they sells
>starts to crack real soon has anyone else had good expierances with any
>others?
>

Dennis Carpenter reproductions makes the stuff and then sells it. They
have a solid rep of having the best weather stripping. I am sure someone
may argue that point, I don't want them to!!! But, Try them first. Most
all their stuff is A one quality stuff!

Stu=20
Nuke GM!

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www.pscico.com/stu

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:00:36 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny

> From: "Melayne Arnold"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F250 clutch and tranny
> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 04:02:00 -0400

> into what ever gear you select. I adjusted on the clutch until the
> pedal won't even go all the way to the floor and the engine and
> transmission are still engaged. Dad says someone at the shop must

You may have two problems here and the first one to fix is the
clutch. Regardless of transmission condition the engine can't
turn if the clutch works and it's depressed, OTOH if you are pushing
it without depressing the clutch, no amount of adjustment will fix it
if the tranny is actually in gear.

Just pull the throwout lever boot and look inside to see what the
lever is doing. If it's depressing the clutch arms or diaphram it's
probably doing it's job and the tranny then needs to be fixed. The
clutch throw out lever also should have a return spring on it so you
can adjust some free pedal into it without the linkage falling out.

I wanted to point out here also that you need to get the right
flywheel for the 429, don't use the 351M or 400 flywheel since the
429 is internally ballanced and the 335 series are not and require a
special weighted wheel. The post 78 460's use a weighted flywheel
also but it's not the same as the 335's either as far as I know so
you still need to match them correctly.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:25:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 78-F250 conversion

> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:42:22 -0700
> From: "Richard Baldwin"
> Subject: 78-F250 conversion

> I want to convert my 2 wheel drive F-250 to a 4 wheel drive... If
> any one has done this I could use some does and dont's to this
> matter...Any help will be greatly appreciated...

The 2wd has a cross member under the engine, the 4wd has one in front
of the engine instead and the mounts are on the side rails instead of
stanchions so there is a lot of welding required to strengthen and
supply supports for the engine mounts. The 2wd steering box will not
work either since it uses a rear tie rod and the 4x4 uses a forward
tie rod location.

As others have said, get a 4x4 chassis and do it right unless you are
just bored with life and want to torture yourself. How do I know all
this you may ask.................I converted a van which already has
the right box location for steering and it was a 3 month operation
and required new drive shafts and special spring mounts and modified
cross member among other things. Add the steering considerations and
you really have a challenge. If I had it to do again I'd put the van
body on an F-250 4x4 chassis and do the little clean up jobs to make
it all fit.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:36:18 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Blocks

>aftermarket. It's just weird because all of the ones that have blocks
>have these loops which I've never seen on any aftermarket blocks, and
>it's only on the F250's.

My '65 F250 has them too.


Ballinger
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:24 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:External Hubs

Hey Dave,

So far, I've found the gaskets you told me about, the red knobs, and the knob
"O" rings are all still available new. How about the outer chrome piece, the
circlips and spring? The Dana supplier here said that the company who made
those hubs was sold to Cushman (as in golfcarts) and no "hard" parts are
available.....

Colorado Jeff

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:37 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Lift Blocks

Hey Mike,

The lift blocks you are talking about are stock Ford. My 69 F-100 4x4 has them
as well....

Also, good question about the hubs. I do know that the heavy duy spindles that
go with these hubs were discontinued by Dana in 96.....junkyards are the only
way to go now. Although, I did hear of a company that is making them now, at
around $350 each.......

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:00:51 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Gauges

Hey Stoney,

Almost everyone I know who runs a mechanical oil pressure gage has a good
story about a leak somewhere. Mine came between Colorado and California, and I
had a nice little intermittent drop of warm oil on my foot every 40 or 50
miles from dripping behind the dashboard.....

I switched over to electronic (with a sender) and have had no problems....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:01:09 EDT
From: BDIJXS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:79 F250 clutch and tranny

Hi Bud,

I have a recently-rebuilt NP 435, and had something similar happen to me.
Somehow, it seemed to "lock" in gear. I happened to be in the mountains, and I
happened to be pointed downhill. If I remember correctly, I held in the
clutch, got up just a little speed, and then let it out. Seems like it took a
couple runs of this and it "popped" out, and I never had a problem since....

I couldn't explain it....especially to girl who was with me......

Hope this helps a little!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:17:54 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil

I made the switch in my truck to 20w50 oil. I stayed with Penzoil, hope I
haven't disappointed anyone in this. I think that synthetic oil would be
good in an engine without problems like mine has. With the blow-by I'm
experiencing, and the short distance I run, I change it every six weeks, so
the cheaper stuff would, in my opinion work best. Penzoil has always given
me great service, and in anything but a 302 (renowned sludge-bulder)hasn't
caused any build-up trouble. The 302 I had was at about 140,000 and ten
years old before I noticed it, when replacing the timing chain, and valve
cover gaskets. I've seen them much worse at 80,000 with other oils.

The cold pressure is unchanged, warm oil pressure is at 45 instead of 30.
The valvetrain is silent. As expected, the cold piston noise is about the
same, even on initial start up a little worse(forged pistons as far as I can
tell,since it nearly goes away when warm) and seems to get to it's best
point quicker in the warm up cycle, gets down to kind of a Wrrrrsssshhh when
you rev it up and down, and doesn't seem to knock as bad at idle, but still
has the growl. Considering that most of the valvetrain noise that once
masked it is gone, I think it's an inprovement. Turns over a little stiffer,
and seems to have lost a tad bit of power, but not much. Time will tell,
I've never had to run this stuff in anything before, 10w40 has always been
suffficient.

Thanks to everyone for your imput on this subject. If I can just get a year
or two out of this engine, then SWMBO might loosen up on the purse strings a
little and I'll put one together that I'll be satisfied with.



Ballinger
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:55:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pigeon Forge

As of 5-4-98 12:45 Central time, the following people say they will be in
attendance at the F-100 super nats.

Ken Payne, List dad
Clare Waterman-Storer (2 people)
Keith Srb
Ted Freeman and wife
Barry Price and Spouse
Jon Purut and spouse Chelley
John Miller and wife
recovering nicely, we think
John and Peggy Niolon
Dan and Marsha Herman, (tallest and ugliest one there, so he says!)
Charles with his F-250 (last name ?)
Colorado Jeff
Kristen Marcellus
Gary Bowling
Stu Varner


Any others who want to go may add their names to the list. I am really
pumped about the show, It will be my first! (No comments Deacon!)


On a different note,
I noticed while cleaning my frame rails on the passenger side, in the front
section was the obvious VIN # F11YRK XXX32

Then a little further back where the passenger seat would be is another VIN
number that matches up with the exception of the last digit.
F11YRK XXX33

Somebody got an explanation? The first VIN number listed is the same as on
the door and
vin tag and registration and title. What's with the second, different
number??

Stu
Nuke GM!

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:02:23 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges

>Almost everyone I know who runs a mechanical oil pressure gage has a good
>story about a leak somewhere. Mine came between Colorado and California, and I
>had a nice little intermittent drop of warm oil on my foot every 40 or 50
>miles from dripping behind the dashboard.....

A friend of mine had his "episode" on his wedding day.
The copper tube at the back of the gauge cracked and sprayed his new
brides feet with nice warm oil. I hear it's *very* expensive to get
dirty 10-40 out of Your wedding dress...

Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:10:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Purse Strings and SWMBO's

> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil
> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 12:17:54 -0500

> then SWMBO might loosen up on the
> purse strings a little and I'll put one together that I'll be
> satisfied with.

Speaking of purse strings, I just got a check in the mail from Uncle
Sam for $1700! Seems I made a mistake on my return! :-) Guess what
the first thing out of her (SWMBO) mouth was? Yup, "Can I have it
since you weren't expecting it?" ?? "Well can I have half then?"
Meanwhile I'm trying to get her to get to the bottom line and lay the
amount on me :-)

Wonder what happened to the $146 check I sent them???

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:34:30 -0500
From: "kingw"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Gauges

Stoney,
I suggest getting mechanical gauges. Mechanical
gauges (usually) have a wider 'needle sweep' (e.g., from
7 o'clock to 5 o'clock) as opposed to electrical
gauges (which have a tighter 'needle sweep.' Say, from
9 o'clock to 3 o'clock). The wider needle sweep will
make them easier to read. Look at the pictures in the
Summit catalog (I did see some mechanical gauges with
a wimpy sweep however....).
Try to get glass faces (as opposed to clear plastic). After
about 11 years, the plastic face on my Autometer tach is
getting little scratches in it. Not too bad, but a little
annoying. The glass face on my oil pressure gauges is
still scratch-free.
My suggestion is to go with Sunpro. Summit sells the 2"
versions, they're mechanical with a nice, full sweep, and
my oil pressure gauge has worked fine. Plus,
they are inexpensive...

Bill
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Date: Mon, 4 May 98 16:55:33 -0500
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping

>Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:27:55 -0500
>From: "Bear"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
>
>I own a 1978 F-150. I am looking for a good source for weather stripping. =
I
>had been looking into JCW but someone said that the stuff that they sells
>starts to crack real soon has anyone else had good expierances with any
>others?
>
>E-mail :=DD bear269 sparc.isl.net
>Please view my home page at:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.isl.net/~bear269/home
>
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:23:52 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges

i hope it was AFTER the wedding!!

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges


A friend of mine had his "episode" on his wedding day.
The copper tube at the back of the gauge cracked and sprayed his new
brides feet with nice warm oil. I hear it's *very* expensive to get
dirty 10-40 out of Your wedding dress...

Steve
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:57:44 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping

>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Weatherstripping
>Date: Mon, 4 May 98 16:55:33 -0500
>From: "Ronald D. Miller"
>To:
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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>
>>Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:27:55 -0500
>>From: "Bear"
>>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping
>>
>>I own a 1978 F-150. I am looking for a good source for weather
stripping. =
> I
>>had been looking into JCW but someone said that the stuff that they
sells
>>starts to crack real soon has anyone else had good expierances with
any
>>others?
>>
>>E-mail :=DD bear269 sparc.isl.net
>>Please view my home page at:
>>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.isl.net/~bear269/home
>>
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>members if you email me your address and vehicle type and year. The =
>new 73-79 F-series catalog has just been printed and is being mailed =
>this week. Secure online ordering in now available. Thanks, Ron
>
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Bear. Autokrafters also has the best price that I could find in any of
my catalogs.

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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:19:23 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks

Thanks everyone for the tips on the windshield instalation.I am still
wating for the old fellaw at the bone yard to getting around at towing
the 65 with the good windshield to his yard.He has bought it from
another guy but like most junk yard fellaws isn't in a big hurry.I'll
let you all know how I make out.
Thanks again
Jake in B.C.
65 f250 camper special
flat black and still going
351c
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:39:32 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping

So if JCW has a lifetime warranty then I may as well just go with them and
those prices are alot better than the ones that I got from the local ford
dealership. The weather stripping that I have is cracked from old age not
from pollution. I think I will just go with them because I have ordered
from them before and have gotten goood service. Thanks for your help.

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[mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Mike Schwall
Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 9:12 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weather stripping

I bought door weatherstrip from JCW about two months ago. It's still in
good shape. I just installed window weatherstrip from JCW last Saturday.
It looks to be good quality stuff. I bought the belt weatherstrip and the
regualr window channel that goes on the front, top, and rear of the window
glass. The belt weatherstrip comes with a lifetime warranty and is made by
PUI Interiors. The window channel was about an inch longer then stock. I
had to trim the excess off for a perfect fit. No big deal.

The belt weatherstrip costs $44 for 4 pieces (two per door), and the window
channel was $17 per door. JCW sticks it to you with the shipping. They
charged me $13 for shipping.

The weatherstrip is good quality, but only time will tell. It may be
another story if you live in a high pollution enviroment where you have
higher ozone levels. I live in San Antonio, TX and the pollution is very
minimal compared to places like LA. High ozone levels will cause the
rubber to dry out and start cracking.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:45:17 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: gauges

>i hope it was AFTER the wedding!!
>

Yeah, after the reception they left for their honeymoon destination in
his toyota pick-up. About 50 miles down the road the smell of warm motor
oil wafted through the cap and his new wife started screaming obscenities...


Steve
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:46:47 -0400
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Digest info

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