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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 337 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering FTE 61-79 - Press FTE 61-79 - Re:Seats Re: FTE 61-79 - Gages Re: FTE 61-79 - Press FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Re: FTE 61-79 - Press Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Re: FTE 61-79 - Was 400 timing now FE Re: FTE 61-79 - Press FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? RE: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Re: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up. Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it? Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID Re: FTE 61-79 - Press RE: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Cables to replace Re: FTE 61-79 - NP-205 Rebuild Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up. FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering coversion Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion FTE 61-79 - Re: State chapters Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it? FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion FTE 61-79 - "THOSE DARN % #$*+ KINGPINS" FTE 61-79 - Steering box adjusting FTE 61-79 - 4" lift, 3/4 ton axle conversion, 4.10 gear swap combo project FTE 61-79 - Rear End ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:20:18 -0500 From: "Kevin Moritz" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering - -----Original Message----- From: KSparks902 aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 6:12 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - power steering >What year donor truck would supply me with the pump and lines and steering box >for my 66 F-100 which dose not have power sterring. >== FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > I'm pretty sure it is a 71-72 F-100. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:24:54 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Press > This homade "press frame" hangs over the end of the I beam with the hole > centered over the top of the kingpin. I set a 5 ton hydraulic bottle jack > on the bottom plate of the frame, put a short hunk of pipe between the top > of the jack and the king pin and used the jack to press the kingpins out. > This little home made press also works good to press u-joints in and out > of Your driveshaft... > > If You know someone who can weld up the pieces for You, it'll save You > a bundle of misery doing those kingpins. > > I don't have any photos of the device, but I drew a picture of the press > frame and put it at: "GUUUMMMPP! You're a G*dd**n genius!..." :-) I've wondered for years why nothing of that kind exists. How many king pins and u-joints have been hammered at through the years do you figure? You ought to look into building them slick and selling them. 4X4 guys would love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather. Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot, yep, summertime fun... Come on over to my Back Porch http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:32:29 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Seats >> Need some information. I want to put bucket seats in my 65 F100. Anyone >> out there who has BTDT can you give me some suggestions. Pretty much >> looking for something that I can bolt in and still be comfortable >> sitting in daily. Have an abundance of salvage yards here with newer >> stuff but they dont let you find what you need. You have to be escorted >> so you dont steal anything. Damn I miss Ohio. >> I have a '65 4X4. The seats in it are out of a '93 Tempo with a homemade frame under them to match them to the floor. Very comfortable. The frame to make them work will take a little creativity to get just right, for a good fabricator it would be simple. Come on over to my Back Porch http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:47:23 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gages >> If it can't be replaced, can it be adjusted. The gage works because you >can >> see it deflect slightly to the discharge side when you first crank the >> engine, but doesn't move after that. As it is now, I wouldn't know if I >> threw a belt or not. >Well awhile back we had several threads on this very subject, seems the >shunt which enables the ammeter to work is not of the correct >ressistance..and in this factory configuration the gauge doesn't really >work as an ammeter should. Did this fix ever get posted to the website as >a tech article ??? someone? If not could whoever out there who has the fix >please post it again and please, please prepare it for posting on the >website??? John is right, there was a lengthy discussion last year about how the stock ammeter for these trucks is "factory dysfunctional". I believe that Tom Hogan started it by actually fixing his gauge so it worked right and telling us about. I spewed some theory and math into the mix and it was all discussed for a while. The archives should be full of it if You can find them. My truck doesn't have an ammeter so I can't tell You where to find the stock shunt wire and where it hooks up, since I've never looked for it myself. I can calculate the "correct" shunt values and post them tho, if Tom or someone wants to do the write-up on where to hook it all up... >Where do you live, maybe I'm the guy that bought all those clusters from >those trucks.... :) sorry It looks like You've been busy... You got all the ones in our local yards too... Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/ Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation leans on the doorbell. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:46:34 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press A4X4 guys would >love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints >on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather. >Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot, >yep, summertime fun... Actually, all you need is a C clamp with the "foot" drilled out, modified so that the cup pushes thru (so a slightly bigger hole than the hole in the yoke). Or, you could weld a big 12-point socket or a short (3/4" or so long) piece of 1-1/4" pipe onto the inside of the "foot" of the c clamp. Then just put the clamp over the yoke and turn till the cup pushes out. Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough pressure to push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never done one of those before.... marko in vancouver marko dsm.ca == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:58 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing? > >Now I won't even pretend to know what all this means but here is what my question is. >When I time this engine with a timing light and vacuum disconnected from distributor, >the motor seems to run best at about 20d BTDC. Is this right? Based on the cam specs what should it be >timed at? > >Thanks in advance > I'm not sure because I didn't install it, but I think that's the same cam as I have in my FE. I too have to run at least 20 degrees initial (25 even) to get it to run right. Does anyone know why? Come on over to my Back Porch http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:14:56 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press >I've wondered for years why nothing of that kind exists. How many king pins >and u-joints have been hammered at through the years do you figure? I know I've hammered a bundle. >You ought to look into building them slick and selling them. 4X4 guys would >love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints >on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather. I try not to need u-joints often enough to carry a tool for it with me... Is that really a big problem with the 4x4 crowd? The tool could be made quite a lot lighter duty for u-joint work. Kingpins are another matter. >Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot, >yep, summertime fun... Hehe, maybe they should make driveshafts square so they don't roll around so much when Ya beat 'em... Steve Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/ Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation leans on the doorbell. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:16:19 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing? > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0700 > From: tom > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing? > Edelbrock Performer Plus #2106 > > Centerlines Lobe separation : 100d > Intake centerline: 105d These numbers seem very strange to me for a truck cam?? At .05 lift the ATDC may be right since at zero it's undoubtedly BTDC some small amount (intake) but 100 degree lobe separation is too small for a torque cam isn't it?? 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:13:49 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was 400 timing now FE >Believe it or not I just put all this togeter from previous >discussions on this and my own experience. If I had ported vac on my >carb I'd check it out but there doesn't appear to be a port for it on >my Holley. Aint it amazing that if you brag loud enough and long >enough on your own hard headed ideas someone will come along and >straighten you out? From what I just said here I believe ported vac >may be the answer to a lot of the ills I've been reading about or it >may just require this method to tune the idle mixture properly with >the setup you already have. Now that the barn is done I just may >have time to start doing what I really want, working on my trucks :-) Congrats on the barn. I wish I could get one together, someday.... I've had very good experience with this method you've described. Throttle response is improved, and trauma from ping is reduced cosiderably. Though I don't have as much compression (and no ping at all) with this engine to deal with as with the older FE's, it still seems to pump up the bottom end. The old ones are renowned "pingers" This tuning method helped considerably. The metering rod carb (Q-Jet in my case) is another vast improvement. The stock 2100 2-bbl is a great carb for the application also, if you give it a lot of accelerator pump shot and ported vacuam the ping will almost dissapear. A Holley I've run had a ported vacuam port on the passenger side in the vicinity of the choke on the baseplate. I guess the passage ran up above the plates. I read a message from another list member saying that his FE with what I think is the same cam as mine is having to run 20 degrees or better at idle. It has to be something about the cam. I wish that I knew. I'm just going to time it with a vacuam guage for now. Come on over to my Back Porch http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:37:14 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:46:34 -0700 > From: Marko Maryniak > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press > out. Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough > pressure to push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never > done one of those before.... I did as you say with a piece of pipe as the foot but the pipe is too soft so welding an old socket on there would be perfect but get a good heavy frame "C" clamp and no, I don't think an ordinary "C" clamp could do a king pin, they come out very hard but a bottle jack and the right kind of frame to mount it in would work very well. 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:58:10 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Speaking of cams and timing. I have to do a timing chain on my stock 78, 351M. The only mods to it will be headers and duals, edlb perfromer manifold, and Carter AFB (projection later on). Is there any benefit to adjusting cam timing with a stock cam? The chain I'm getting allows 4 deg either way. Thanks in advance OX == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:20:30 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? i know this is a really poor answer, but it really is the only right answer. it depends on the specific engine, and what you really want to get out of doing it. ok, that said, a bigger difference *may* be felt with bigger cams, and most likely some difference will occur with a stock cam. many cams in the late 70's were basically installed 8 deg retarded (at least in the 460 they were, and i beleive others too.), so putting it back straight up will most likely run better, at least on the bottom end. they retarded the cams to pass emmissions without actually making as many new parts. only the timing gear was changed to occomplish this. so, if you get a new chain, something like a cloyes chain (i assume it is a cloyes, or similiar roller type since you said it has 4 deg adjustment) you will automatically get the cam installed straight up if you use the straight up marks on the timing chain set. and therefore if you install it 4 deg advance it would be 12 deg advanced from the previous position. this is my experience with the 460, and i can only assume that the 351M,400 were the same way. can anyone confirm this? sleddog - ---------- From: luxjo thecore.com[SMTP:luxjo thecore.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:58 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Speaking of cams and timing. I have to do a timing chain on my stock 78, 351M. The only mods to it will be headers and duals, edlb perfromer manifold, and Carter AFB (projection later on). Is there any benefit to adjusting cam timing with a stock cam? The chain I'm getting allows 4 deg either way. Thanks in advance OX == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:33:17 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing? Sleddog wrote: > > i know this is a really poor answer, but it really is the only right > answer. > it depends on the specific engine, and what you really want to get out of > doing it. > Well, it will be used almost exclusivley for towing and/or offroading. Low end is probably most important. Having said that, this motor also sees high RPM due to having manual tranny and not being able to switch gears in the middle of a mud bog/hill. This forces you to start in 1rst gear (creeper, sometimes low range too) and hit redline or more (for momentum) just so when it bogs down your not wishing for a lower gear. > ok, that said, a bigger difference *may* be felt with bigger cams, and most > likely some difference will occur with a stock cam. > > many cams in the late 70's were basically installed 8 deg retarded (at > least in the 460 they were, and i beleive others too.), so putting it back > straight up will most likely run better, at least on the bottom end. they > retarded the cams to pass emmissions without actually making as many new > parts. only the timing gear was changed to occomplish this. > > so, if you get a new chain, something like a cloyes chain (i assume it is a > cloyes, or similiar roller type since you said it has 4 deg adjustment) you > will automatically get the cam installed straight up if you use the > straight up marks on the timing chain set. and therefore if you install it > 4 deg advance it would be 12 deg advanced from the previous position. It is so stretched, it could be anywhere right now;-). It seems a good 10-15 degrees is needed to take up slack from rotating crank one direction to the other. I'll check the chains against one another to verify if it had the 8 degree retard. If it did, I guess even 4 degree retard would be an improvement. OX == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:16:52 -0400 From: "John Peck" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up. I've been cleaning up my 69 F100 - w/360 piece by piece. I have the engine running well (no oil leaks or burn). I have done the brakes to a reliable state. Only two things left. One - servicing the Ford 3 speed standard ( I like that second gear) and two - the differential. For the most part I am worried about leaks and reliability. The transmission is covered in crud and always looks oily but I have no spots on the ground, Second gear pops out every so often especially when accellerating up hill. This is my next part of my project. I talked to a local garage and they quoted $200 to drop the transmission, clean it up, replace all the bearings and seal it. I have no skill in this but I am mechanically inclined. Is this something I could do and is there a kit? I can have the truck O.O.C for whatever it takes. If anyone has done this or had this done (probably) please post some recommendations. I have access to a lift. John Peck johnpeck visuallink.com == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:53:44 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it? look at the block from underneath,on the right side at the rear, running parallel to the pan rail,the number should be there.i think you should be able to see it with the starter in place. if it starts with c5,c6,c7 it is probably a 289 anything c8,and above will probably be a 302,of course if its been into someone could put a 302 crank in a 289 block or vice versa. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:30 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID >From: Jim Craig >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID > >snip >The fellow said that the 460 heads came >from a '79 Lincoln. The ID is: D8VE-A2A. Does anyone >know of a site that will decode this for me i.e., I want to >know the intake and exhaust valve >sizes, along with the cc volume. Thanks! Yo Jimbo, Sleddog, et al: According to the Monroe book, the only 429/460 head casting number close to what Jimbo lists is the D3VE-A2A. The latest 429/460 head casting listed for up to 1979 is D4VE, which was the bigger 96.2cc chamber used from 75-79. Could it be the 3 was misread as an 8 by the junkyard fellow? If so, those heads would be a 72-74 vintage w/ 91.4cc chambers. Standard 2.08/1.66 valves. Dave R. (M-block devotee) == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:02:54 -0400 From: "John Miller" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press > Actually, all you need is a C clamp with the "foot" drilled out, modified > > Then just put the clamp over the yoke and turn till the cup pushes out. > Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough pressure to > push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never done one of those > before.... > I got real tired of dealing with U-Joints, Kingpins and the like years ago and sunk some money into a Snap-On piece, It's sort of like a large C-clamp deal with a very large screw shaft made of some darn good stock, many different cup pieces to fit different applications. The only trouble I had with it is fighting off borrowers after they saw the speed at which I was knocking out these types of jobs. All you do is pick the adapters, hang it on, and turn the screw as needed, in tough situations let the impact do the work. Pick new adapters and reverse the process where required. I'm wondering what it would cost to build something like this ?? any machinists out there? John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net 96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo" 75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy" and "always" looking ! ! ! == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:38:52 -0400 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID yo davemeister! yes indeed it could be. i didn't look in a book, and only assumed that the years continued past 74. well, either way there is no real difference other than chamber volume. and that should always be checked anyway as who knows if anyone ever milled the heads before. glad you caught that. sleddog - ---------- From: Dave Resch[SMTP:dresch sybase.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 6:06 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID Yo Jimbo, Sleddog, et al: According to the Monroe book, the only 429/460 head casting number close to what Jimbo lists is the D3VE-A2A. The latest 429/460 head casting listed for up to 1979 is D4VE, which was the bigger 96.2cc chamber used from 75-79. Could it be the 3 was misread as an 8 by the junkyard fellow? If so, those heads would be a 72-74 vintage w/ 91.4cc chambers. Standard 2.08/1.66 valves. Dave R. (M-block devotee) == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:42:29 -0400 From: "Marc A. Stine" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Cables to replace I'm going to replace my emergency brake rear cables probably tomorrow, and I have never done them before and don't really know what to expect, any helpful hints on how to go about making the change? Marc == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:09:31 -0600 From: Ryan Dorman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP-205 Rebuild They sell that kit as well, if you want it... I answered honestly, The kits we buy are 100% complete... Marko Maryniak wrote: What you will find, from most any parts house, is a so-called "complete" > overhaul kit which includes some parts and, notably, not others. > > What you get in the overhaul kit is bearings for the shaft retainers, > bearings and races for the idler, seals for everything, and needle bearings > thruout. > > What you do NOT get is the following: > > 2 heavy snap rings > 1 light snap ring > 2 heavy thrust washers > 2 light (bronze coated) thrust washers -- this is what wears out by the way! > 2 shift forks (if yours are worn) > 2 roll pins to hold shift forks on shift rails > 2 detent balls for shift rails - -- 58 F-100 292 sb 2wd 85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4 97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4 (and several others in progress) - -- KC7YPJ, Ryan Dorman QTH: Victor ID, grid# DN431c ICQ #3834602 kc7ypj pdt.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/5496 == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:43:30 -0500 From: Mike Schwall Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up. At 04:16 PM 6/9/98 , you wrote: >worried about leaks and reliability. The transmission is covered in crud >and always looks oily but I have no spots on the ground, Second gear pops >out every so often especially when accellerating up hill. This is my next >part of my project. I talked to a local garage and they quoted $200 to drop >the transmission, clean it up, replace all the bearings and seal it. I >have no skill in this but I am mechanically inclined. Is this something I >could do and is there a kit? I can have the truck O.O.C for whatever it >takes. If anyone has done this or had this done (probably) please post some >recommendations. I have access to a lift. >John Peck Piece of cake. Put a toothpick in the vent hole on the top cover to keep water out and take it down to the self serve car wash. Blast it with degreaser, soap and water. Next, go to your local library with a pocket full of dimes for the copy machine, and look in the Chilton or Motor service manuals for your transmission. Then go broke making copies. You said your mechanically inclined, so you shouldn't have any trouble rebuilding the transmission if you follow the book. Look in the yellow pages for a transmission shop and call for price quotes on a small parts kit, syncros, etc.. If it pops out of gear, you may either have the linkage set up to not go deep enough into the gear, or the gear itself is worn. Once you have the top cover off the tranny and the oil drained, you will be able to tell if you have broken or rounded/worn teeth or not. If all the teeth look to be in good shape, I'd check the linkage. Since it pops out under load, I suspect the linkage is not set up right. The gears are not fully meshing. Usually it will pop out of gear while decellerating if the gear itself is worn. Good luck, Mike _____________________________________________ Email: mschwall texas.net or mike fordfan.org Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://mschwall.home.texas.net FORD FAN PAGE: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordfan.org == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:26:22 EDT From: Trs2000 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering coversion I am also curious about a power steering conversion for my 66. If the 70-72 parts will indeed work what about such issues as: The pitman arm lining up. Brackets for the pump.....also from a 70-72? Do I just cut and weld the steering shaft? What are the new alignment specs? any help is greatly appreciated. Dennis == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:46:50 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering Forwarded for: Keith Srb >>What year donor truck would supply me with the pump and lines and steering >box >>for my 66 F-100 which dose not have power sterring. >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> >I'm pretty sure it is a 71-72 F-100. I asked several of the people who had 66 F-100's at the Pigeon Forge this very question. Most of them said they did not know the specific year, but it was anyway between another 66, with power steering, up to a 76 F-100. The power steering box on my 74 looks like it would it my 66 with out any problems. I am talking about a 2WD truck here. So I think you have a lot of years to choose from. Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie Mesa, AZ == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:15:30 -0500 (CDT) From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion This is something I saved from a news group: Posted by Robert Nichols on April 01, 1998 at 12:29:05: In Reply to: '66 F-100 Power Steering posted by Michael Bruggeman on December 17, 1997 at 01:24:28: : I am looking to upgrade my truck with power steering. Does anyone know of the parts that will swap into my truck to do so, and modifications will I need to perform? Thanks for your help. I have been told that any pwr str box from a '72-'79 will bolt to the frame in the 66. The steering shaft has to be shortened to fit the longer box. Brackets from any 352,360,390 will hold the pump. I tried it last weekend with a box from a 72 and the end hit the motor mount just enough that I could not get it to bolt up. I do not know if there is a difference in box length in the above years. I will be researching it. If you have managed to do it by now, please tell me the details. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:53:58 -0500 From: Bill Adams Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: State chapters f we had chapters by state then we could plan these things much >easier and choose >which one we want to go to. If you all like this idea then I >volunteer to head up >the chapter for Louisiana... anybody else from Louisiana want to >help? Each >chapter could do a logo for their area. I vote Ken to be the >National Chapter >head. > >What do you think? > >I like the Idea Dennis. I don't know what I could do to help but count >me in. >BTW What part of the Cajun State are you in? > >I'm located in the southwest part, DeRidder to be exact. About 30 miles >north of I10 and 10 mile east of Texas. > >-- > >Bill Adams >1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed >1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree, and just about, almost, >nearly road ready. > - -- Bill Adams 1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed 1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree! The WoodButcher's Shop "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/heartland/plains/6640" ,.-----__ _ ,:::://///,:::-. _| ~~. /:''/////// `` ::`;/|/ \, *_} /' ( Ford ) :://'`\ \( .' , |||||| `/( e \ -===~__-'\____ ```\_____/~`-._ `. ~~ ~~ `~-' ************************************************************** ************************************************************** == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:58:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve & Rockette Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it? At 01:40 AM 9/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >junk off the Edelbrock Performa Manifold... its says 289. Is the 289 and 302 using >the same manifold? Yes > >In another section it mentions pulling the valve cover to look for markings, but this >won't tell if you have an HP289. Pull a valve cover off: 289 will be cast into the head between cyl 2 and 3 if I remember right, and it will have cast in slots as valve guides, not large holes and rail rockers. These will be 289 Hipo heads, If you dont have the slotted push rod holes you dont have Hipo heads...... Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach '63 F100 Longbox '94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!! == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:01:18 -0500 From: Bill Adams Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250. The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26". The plate on the rear end says: CITT-J 2333-2 7-61 4.88 Can anybody help me here. Is the 4.88 the gear ration? Any help would be appreciated. - -- Thanks Bill Adams 1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed 1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree! The WoodButcher's Shop "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/heartland/plains/6640" ,.-----__ _ ,:::://///,:::-. _| ~~. /:''/////// `` ::`;/|/ \, *_} /' ( Ford ) :://'`\ \( .' , |||||| `/( e \ -===~__-'\____ ```\_____/~`-._ `. ~~ ~~ `~-' ************************************************************** ************************************************************** == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:41:42 -0500 From: Mike Schwall Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help At 10:01 PM 6/9/98 , you wrote: >I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250. >The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26". >Is the 4.88 the gear ration? >Bill Adams Yep. 4.88:1 rear end ratio. Mike _____________________________________________ Email: mschwall texas.net or mike fordfan.org Home Page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://mschwall.home.texas.net FORD FAN PAGE: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fordfan.org == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:56:55 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help Thanks for your message at 10:01 PM 6/9/98 -0500, Bill Adams. Your message was: >I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250. >The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26". >The plate on the rear end says: >CITT-J 2333-2 7-61 4.88 >Can anybody help me here. >Is the 4.88 the gear ration? >Any help would be appreciated. >-- According to my Red Book (I finally get to use it!) the number 26 does, in fact indicate the 4.88:1 rear end. == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:14:10 EDT From: Trs2000 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion I remember talking to a guy at a boneyard....... He said the only years that would directly bolt up was like 67-69 ps gearboxes, In order to make the other years fit you need to notch out the engine mount. I was hoping he was wrong......... I was also told that the alignment specs should be different.......Probably just toe since it's the only adjustment without bending the I beams.. Does anyone know? Again I'm about to do this conversion very soon.. I would feel better if someone else would confirm the bracket info/ and any input on the steering geometry affect> thanks in advance DENNIS == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:22:18 EDT From: Trs2000 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion I read the article on the disk conversion and was looking for some advice on a parts truck. What year would work? Do I need to replace the pedal linkage as well? I was hoping to install a boneyard booster and get a new master and splice in the lines.... any advice ? Dennis's new project(trying to keep it low budget) == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:41:55 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion At 12:22 AM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote: >I read the article on the disk conversion and was looking for some advice on a >parts truck. What year would work? 73-79 Do I need to replace the pedal linkage as >well? No. I was hoping to install a boneyard booster and get a new master and >splice in the lines.... > >any advice ? > Use the booster from the same donor as the spindles. Ken Payne == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:57:33 -0400 From: "." Subject: FTE 61-79 - "THOSE DARN % #$*+ KINGPINS" Hi Steve -=20 I was just thinking about that little press you just described you made = for pushing out kingpins and a thought occurred to me. Before I ask you, I have to tell you that just last Saturday, while I = was happily pulling some parts in the boneyard so I could do a disc = brake conversion on my '69 F350, I was praying the whole time that = "my" kingpins would just fall out or at least be pushed out with 2 = fingers like I read somewhere in a manual (or this list?) Guess what ? ? ? ? ? ? Of course, the bloody pins were in=20 so tight, I didn't get them to move a 1/16 ! ! ! .......after 2 hours = yet! I now know what everybody else seemingly knows about kingpins......at = least in this group........and that press ! !.....sounds like a winner = !! But being over 50 on a 96 degree day working through lunch in=20 full sun, pounding your guts out on a punch with 5 lb just got the best = of me. I had to leave there with that spindle...so I got some help from = Mr. Acetylene and introduced him to Mr. I-beam.=20 Under cooler, more controlled conditions in my garage workshop at home = later that evening, It never entered my mind that pin was going to stay = stuck....... Ask me how the 10lb worked sometime. Now here's what I was thinking. (Only because I really never had any = experience in replacing kingpins before I found this list), If the dam* things are in there so tight, what the hell are we bothering to replace them for ? ? What kind of driveability=20 problems do loose pins cause and if they are loose, there must be = excessive clearances, right ? ?? ...maybe not over the entire=20 length of the pin, but surely over enough of it to compensate for=20 the smaller portion that may be rusted tight in the spindle Jerry == FTE: Unsubscribe and posting info www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:29:24 -0500 From: "Michael R. Masse" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering box adjusting I recently had to remove my pitman arm, and in order to fit the puller I had to really loosen up the adjustment screw. Now that everything is back together I can't get the screw to turn more .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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