61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 337



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering
FTE 61-79 - Press
FTE 61-79 - Re:Seats
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Press
FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Press
Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was 400 timing now FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Press
FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?
RE: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?
FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - Press
RE: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID
FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Cables to replace
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP-205 Rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up.
FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering coversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering
FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion
FTE 61-79 - Re: State chapters
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it?
FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion
FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion
FTE 61-79 - "THOSE DARN % #$*+ KINGPINS"
FTE 61-79 - Steering box adjusting
FTE 61-79 - 4" lift, 3/4 ton axle conversion, 4.10 gear swap combo project
FTE 61-79 - Rear End

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:20:18 -0500
From: "Kevin Moritz"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering

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Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 6:12 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - power steering


>What year donor truck would supply me with the pump and lines and steering
box
>for my 66 F-100 which dose not have power sterring.
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I'm pretty sure it is a 71-72 F-100.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:24:54 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Press

> This homade "press frame" hangs over the end of the I beam with the hole
> centered over the top of the kingpin. I set a 5 ton hydraulic bottle jack
> on the bottom plate of the frame, put a short hunk of pipe between the top
> of the jack and the king pin and used the jack to press the kingpins out.
> This little home made press also works good to press u-joints in and out
> of Your driveshaft...
>
> If You know someone who can weld up the pieces for You, it'll save You
> a bundle of misery doing those kingpins.
>
> I don't have any photos of the device, but I drew a picture of the press
> frame and put it at:

"GUUUMMMPP! You're a G*dd**n genius!..." :-)

I've wondered for years why nothing of that kind exists. How many king pins
and u-joints have been hammered at through the years do you figure?

You ought to look into building them slick and selling them. 4X4 guys would
love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints
on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather.
Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot,
yep, summertime fun...

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:32:29 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Seats

>> Need some information. I want to put bucket seats in my 65 F100. Anyone
>> out there who has BTDT can you give me some suggestions. Pretty much
>> looking for something that I can bolt in and still be comfortable
>> sitting in daily. Have an abundance of salvage yards here with newer
>> stuff but they dont let you find what you need. You have to be escorted
>> so you dont steal anything. Damn I miss Ohio.
>>

I have a '65 4X4. The seats in it are out of a '93 Tempo with a homemade
frame under them to match them to the floor. Very comfortable. The frame to
make them work will take a little creativity to get just right, for a good
fabricator it would be simple.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:47:23 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gages

>> If it can't be replaced, can it be adjusted. The gage works because you
>can
>> see it deflect slightly to the discharge side when you first crank the
>> engine, but doesn't move after that. As it is now, I wouldn't know if I
>> threw a belt or not.

>Well awhile back we had several threads on this very subject, seems the
>shunt which enables the ammeter to work is not of the correct
>ressistance..and in this factory configuration the gauge doesn't really
>work as an ammeter should. Did this fix ever get posted to the website as
>a tech article ??? someone? If not could whoever out there who has the fix
>please post it again and please, please prepare it for posting on the
>website???

John is right, there was a lengthy discussion last year about how the
stock ammeter for these trucks is "factory dysfunctional".
I believe that Tom Hogan started it by actually fixing his gauge so it
worked right and telling us about. I spewed some theory and math into
the mix and it was all discussed for a while. The archives should be full
of it if You can find them.
My truck doesn't have an ammeter so I can't tell You where to find the
stock shunt wire and where it hooks up, since I've never looked for it
myself. I can calculate the "correct" shunt values and post them tho, if
Tom or someone wants to do the write-up on where to hook it all up...

>Where do you live, maybe I'm the guy that bought all those clusters from
>those trucks.... :) sorry

It looks like You've been busy... You got all the ones in our local
yards too...

Steve
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:46:34 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press

A4X4 guys would
>love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints
>on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather.
>Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot,
>yep, summertime fun...

Actually, all you need is a C clamp with the "foot" drilled out, modified
so that the cup pushes thru (so a slightly bigger hole than the hole in the
yoke). Or, you could weld a big 12-point socket or a short (3/4" or so
long) piece of 1-1/4" pipe onto the inside of the "foot" of the c clamp.

Then just put the clamp over the yoke and turn till the cup pushes out.
Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough pressure to
push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never done one of those
before....



marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:58 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

>
>Now I won't even pretend to know what all this means but here is what my
question is.
>When I time this engine with a timing light and vacuum disconnected from
distributor,
>the motor seems to run best at about 20d BTDC. Is this right? Based on the
cam specs what should it be
>timed at?
>
>Thanks in advance
>

I'm not sure because I didn't install it, but I think that's the same cam as
I have in my FE. I too have to run at least 20 degrees initial (25 even) to
get it to run right. Does anyone know why?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:14:56 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press

>I've wondered for years why nothing of that kind exists. How many king pins
>and u-joints have been hammered at through the years do you figure?

I know I've hammered a bundle.

>You ought to look into building them slick and selling them. 4X4 guys would
>love it if it knocked down small enough to go in their "boom box". U-joints
>on the trail are a real pain to switch out, especially in bad weather.

I try not to need u-joints often enough to carry a tool for it with me...
Is that really a big problem with the 4x4 crowd? The tool could be made
quite a lot lighter duty for u-joint work. Kingpins are another matter.

>Chasing a driveshaft around the back of my truck while my beer gets hot,
>yep, summertime fun...

Hehe, maybe they should make driveshafts square so they don't roll around
so much when Ya beat 'em...

Steve
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:16:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 09:13:14 -0700
> From: tom
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

> Edelbrock Performer Plus #2106
>
> Centerlines Lobe separation : 100d
> Intake centerline: 105d

These numbers seem very strange to me for a truck cam?? At .05 lift
the ATDC may be right since at zero it's undoubtedly BTDC some small
amount (intake) but 100 degree lobe separation is too small for a
torque cam isn't it??

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:13:49 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was 400 timing now FE

>Believe it or not I just put all this togeter from previous
>discussions on this and my own experience. If I had ported vac on my
>carb I'd check it out but there doesn't appear to be a port for it on
>my Holley. Aint it amazing that if you brag loud enough and long
>enough on your own hard headed ideas someone will come along and
>straighten you out? From what I just said here I believe ported vac
>may be the answer to a lot of the ills I've been reading about or it
>may just require this method to tune the idle mixture properly with
>the setup you already have. Now that the barn is done I just may
>have time to start doing what I really want, working on my trucks :-)

Congrats on the barn. I wish I could get one together, someday....

I've had very good experience with this method you've described. Throttle
response is improved, and trauma from ping is reduced cosiderably. Though I
don't have as much compression (and no ping at all) with this engine to deal
with as with the older FE's, it still seems to pump up the bottom end. The
old ones are renowned "pingers" This tuning method helped considerably. The
metering rod carb (Q-Jet in my case) is another vast improvement. The stock
2100 2-bbl is a great carb for the application also, if you give it a lot of
accelerator pump shot and ported vacuam the ping will almost dissapear.

A Holley I've run had a ported vacuam port on the passenger side in the
vicinity of the choke on the baseplate. I guess the passage ran up above the
plates.

I read a message from another list member saying that his FE with what I
think is the same cam as mine is having to run 20 degrees or better at idle.
It has to be something about the cam. I wish that I knew. I'm just going to
time it with a vacuam guage for now.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:37:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press

> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:46:34 -0700
> From: Marko Maryniak
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press

> out. Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough
> pressure to push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never
> done one of those before....

I did as you say with a piece of pipe as the foot but the pipe is too
soft so welding an old socket on there would be perfect but get a
good heavy frame "C" clamp and no, I don't think an ordinary "C"
clamp could do a king pin, they come out very hard but a bottle jack
and the right kind of frame to mount it in would work very well.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:58:10 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

Speaking of cams and timing. I have to do a timing chain on my stock 78,
351M. The only mods to it will be headers and duals, edlb perfromer
manifold, and Carter AFB (projection later on). Is there any benefit to
adjusting cam timing with a stock cam? The chain I'm getting allows 4
deg either way.

Thanks in advance

OX

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:20:30 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

i know this is a really poor answer, but it really is the only right
answer.
it depends on the specific engine, and what you really want to get out of
doing it.

ok, that said, a bigger difference *may* be felt with bigger cams, and most
likely some difference will occur with a stock cam.

many cams in the late 70's were basically installed 8 deg retarded (at
least in the 460 they were, and i beleive others too.), so putting it back
straight up will most likely run better, at least on the bottom end. they
retarded the cams to pass emmissions without actually making as many new
parts. only the timing gear was changed to occomplish this.

so, if you get a new chain, something like a cloyes chain (i assume it is a
cloyes, or similiar roller type since you said it has 4 deg adjustment) you
will automatically get the cam installed straight up if you use the
straight up marks on the timing chain set. and therefore if you install it
4 deg advance it would be 12 deg advanced from the previous position.

this is my experience with the 460, and i can only assume that the 351M,400
were the same way. can anyone confirm this?

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

Speaking of cams and timing. I have to do a timing chain on my stock 78,
351M. The only mods to it will be headers and duals, edlb perfromer
manifold, and Carter AFB (projection later on). Is there any benefit to
adjusting cam timing with a stock cam? The chain I'm getting allows 4
deg either way.

Thanks in advance

OX

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:33:17 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - - Edelbrock Cam and timing?

Sleddog wrote:
>
> i know this is a really poor answer, but it really is the only right
> answer.
> it depends on the specific engine, and what you really want to get out of
> doing it.
>

Well, it will be used almost exclusivley for towing and/or offroading.
Low end is probably most important. Having said that, this motor also
sees high RPM due to having manual tranny and not being able to switch
gears in the middle of a mud bog/hill. This forces you to start in 1rst
gear (creeper, sometimes low range too) and hit redline or more (for
momentum) just so when it bogs down your not wishing for a lower gear.


> ok, that said, a bigger difference *may* be felt with bigger cams, and most
> likely some difference will occur with a stock cam.
>
> many cams in the late 70's were basically installed 8 deg retarded (at
> least in the 460 they were, and i beleive others too.), so putting it back
> straight up will most likely run better, at least on the bottom end. they
> retarded the cams to pass emmissions without actually making as many new
> parts. only the timing gear was changed to occomplish this.
>
> so, if you get a new chain, something like a cloyes chain (i assume it is a
> cloyes, or similiar roller type since you said it has 4 deg adjustment) you
> will automatically get the cam installed straight up if you use the
> straight up marks on the timing chain set. and therefore if you install it
> 4 deg advance it would be 12 deg advanced from the previous position.

It is so stretched, it could be anywhere right now;-). It seems a good
10-15 degrees is needed to take up slack from rotating crank one
direction to the other. I'll check the chains against one another to
verify if it had the 8 degree retard. If it did, I guess even 4 degree
retard would be an improvement.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:16:52 -0400
From: "John Peck"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up.

I've been cleaning up my 69 F100 - w/360 piece by piece. I have the engine
running well (no oil leaks or burn). I have done the brakes to a reliable
state. Only two things left. One - servicing the Ford 3 speed standard ( I
like that second gear) and two - the differential. For the most part I am
worried about leaks and reliability. The transmission is covered in crud
and always looks oily but I have no spots on the ground, Second gear pops
out every so often especially when accellerating up hill. This is my next
part of my project. I talked to a local garage and they quoted $200 to drop
the transmission, clean it up, replace all the bearings and seal it. I
have no skill in this but I am mechanically inclined. Is this something I
could do and is there a kit? I can have the truck O.O.C for whatever it
takes. If anyone has done this or had this done (probably) please post some
recommendations. I have access to a lift.


John Peck
johnpeck visuallink.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:53:44 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it?

look at the block from underneath,on the right side at the rear, running
parallel
to the pan rail,the number should be there.i think you should be able to see
it with the starter in place. if it starts with c5,c6,c7 it is probably a 289
anything c8,and above will probably be a 302,of course if its been into
someone could put a 302 crank in a 289 block or vice versa.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:30 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID

>From: Jim Craig
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID
>
>snip
>The fellow said that the 460 heads came
>from a '79 Lincoln. The ID is: D8VE-A2A. Does anyone
>know of a site that will decode this for me i.e., I want to
>know the intake and exhaust valve
>sizes, along with the cc volume. Thanks!

Yo Jimbo, Sleddog, et al:

According to the Monroe book, the only 429/460 head casting number close to
what Jimbo lists is the D3VE-A2A. The latest 429/460 head casting listed
for up to 1979 is D4VE, which was the bigger 96.2cc chamber used from
75-79.

Could it be the 3 was misread as an 8 by the junkyard fellow? If so, those
heads would be a 72-74 vintage w/ 91.4cc chambers. Standard 2.08/1.66
valves.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:02:54 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Press

> Actually, all you need is a C clamp with the "foot" drilled out, modified
>
> Then just put the clamp over the yoke and turn till the cup pushes out.
> Piece of pie, as far as I can see. You mightn't get enough pressure to
> push out kingpin sleeves, but maybe you might, never done one of those
> before....
>

I got real tired of dealing with U-Joints, Kingpins and the like years ago
and sunk some money into a Snap-On piece, It's sort of like a large C-clamp
deal with a very large screw shaft made of some darn good stock, many
different cup pieces to fit different applications. The only trouble I had
with it is fighting off borrowers after they saw the speed at which I was
knocking out these types of jobs. All you do is pick the adapters, hang it
on, and turn the screw as needed, in tough situations let the impact do the
work. Pick new adapters and reverse the process where required. I'm
wondering what it would cost to build something like this ?? any machinists
out there?

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:38:52 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID

yo davemeister!

yes indeed it could be. i didn't look in a book, and only assumed that the
years continued past 74. well, either way there is no real difference
other than chamber volume. and that should always be checked anyway as who
knows if anyone ever milled the heads before. glad you caught that.

sleddog



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To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cylinder Head ID


Yo Jimbo, Sleddog, et al:

According to the Monroe book, the only 429/460 head casting number close to
what Jimbo lists is the D3VE-A2A. The latest 429/460 head casting listed
for up to 1979 is D4VE, which was the bigger 96.2cc chamber used from
75-79.

Could it be the 3 was misread as an 8 by the junkyard fellow? If so, those
heads would be a 72-74 vintage w/ 91.4cc chambers. Standard 2.08/1.66
valves.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:42:29 -0400
From: "Marc A. Stine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emergency Brake Cables to replace

I'm going to replace my emergency brake rear cables probably tomorrow,
and I have never done them before and don't really know what to expect,
any helpful hints on how to go about making the change?

Marc
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:09:31 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP-205 Rebuild

They sell that kit as well, if you want it... I answered honestly, The kits we
buy are 100% complete...

Marko Maryniak wrote:
What you will find, from most any parts house, is a so-called "complete"

> overhaul kit which includes some parts and, notably, not others.
>
> What you get in the overhaul kit is bearings for the shaft retainers,
> bearings and races for the idler, seals for everything, and needle bearings
> thruout.
>
> What you do NOT get is the following:
>
> 2 heavy snap rings
> 1 light snap ring
> 2 heavy thrust washers
> 2 light (bronze coated) thrust washers -- this is what wears out by the way!
> 2 shift forks (if yours are worn)
> 2 roll pins to hold shift forks on shift rails
> 2 detent balls for shift rails



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85 Bronco 300 IL6(not for long) 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:43:30 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission clean up.

At 04:16 PM 6/9/98 , you wrote:

>worried about leaks and reliability. The transmission is covered in crud
>and always looks oily but I have no spots on the ground, Second gear pops
>out every so often especially when accellerating up hill. This is my next
>part of my project. I talked to a local garage and they quoted $200 to drop
>the transmission, clean it up, replace all the bearings and seal it. I
>have no skill in this but I am mechanically inclined. Is this something I
>could do and is there a kit? I can have the truck O.O.C for whatever it
>takes. If anyone has done this or had this done (probably) please post some
>recommendations. I have access to a lift.
>John Peck

Piece of cake. Put a toothpick in the vent hole on the top cover to keep
water out and take it down to the self serve car wash. Blast it with
degreaser, soap and water. Next, go to your local library with a pocket
full of dimes for the copy machine, and look in the Chilton or Motor
service manuals for your transmission. Then go broke making copies. You
said your mechanically inclined, so you shouldn't have any trouble
rebuilding the transmission if you follow the book.

Look in the yellow pages for a transmission shop and call for price quotes
on a small parts kit, syncros, etc.. If it pops out of gear, you may
either have the linkage set up to not go deep enough into the gear, or the
gear itself is worn. Once you have the top cover off the tranny and the
oil drained, you will be able to tell if you have broken or rounded/worn
teeth or not. If all the teeth look to be in good shape, I'd check the
linkage.

Since it pops out under load, I suspect the linkage is not set up right.
The gears are not fully meshing. Usually it will pop out of gear while
decellerating if the gear itself is worn.

Good luck,

Mike

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:26:22 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering coversion

I am also curious about a power steering conversion for my 66.

If the 70-72 parts will indeed work what about such issues as:

The pitman arm lining up.
Brackets for the pump.....also from a 70-72?
Do I just cut and weld the steering shaft?
What are the new alignment specs?
any help is greatly appreciated.

Dennis

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:46:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering

Forwarded for: Keith Srb

>>What year donor truck would supply me with the pump and lines and steering
>box
>>for my 66 F-100 which dose not have power sterring.
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>I'm pretty sure it is a 71-72 F-100.

I asked several of the people who had 66 F-100's at the Pigeon Forge this
very question. Most of them said they did not know the specific year, but
it was anyway between another 66, with power steering, up to a 76 F-100.
The power steering box on my 74 looks like it would it my 66 with out any
problems. I am talking about a 2WD truck here. So I think you have a lot
of years to choose from.




Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:15:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion

This is something I saved from a news group:

Posted by Robert Nichols on April 01, 1998 at 12:29:05:

In Reply to: '66 F-100 Power Steering posted by Michael Bruggeman on
December 17, 1997 at 01:24:28:

: I am looking to upgrade my truck with power steering. Does anyone
know of the parts that will swap into my truck to do so, and
modifications will I need to perform? Thanks for your help.

I have been told that any pwr str box from a
'72-'79 will bolt to the frame in the 66. The
steering shaft has to be shortened to fit the
longer box. Brackets from any 352,360,390 will
hold the pump. I tried it last weekend with a
box from a 72 and the end hit the motor mount just
enough that I could not get it to bolt up. I do
not know if there is a difference in box length in
the above years. I will be researching it. If you
have managed to do it by now, please tell me the
details.


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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:53:58 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: State chapters

f we had chapters by state then we could plan these things much
>easier and choose
>which one we want to go to. If you all like this idea then I
>volunteer to head up
>the chapter for Louisiana... anybody else from Louisiana want to
>help? Each
>chapter could do a logo for their area. I vote Ken to be the
>National Chapter
>head.
>
>What do you think?
>
>I like the Idea Dennis. I don't know what I could do to help but count
>me in.
>BTW What part of the Cajun State are you in?
>
>I'm located in the southwest part, DeRidder to be exact. About 30 miles
>north of I10 and 10 mile east of Texas.
>
>--
>
>Bill Adams
>1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
>1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree, and just about, almost,
>nearly road ready.
>
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1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!

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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Which V8 is it?

At 01:40 AM 9/6/98 -0500, you wrote:

>junk off the Edelbrock Performa Manifold... its says 289. Is the 289 and
302 using
>the same manifold?

Yes


>
>In another section it mentions pulling the valve cover to look for
markings, but this
>won't tell if you have an HP289.

Pull a valve cover off:
289 will be cast into the head between cyl 2 and 3 if I remember right,
and it will have cast in slots as valve guides, not large holes and rail
rockers.
These will be 289 Hipo heads, If you dont have the slotted push rod holes
you dont have Hipo heads......


Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:01:18 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help

I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250.
The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26".
The plate on the rear end says:
CITT-J 2333-2 7-61 4.88
Can anybody help me here.
Is the 4.88 the gear ration?
Any help would be appreciated.
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Thanks
Bill Adams
1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:41:42 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help

At 10:01 PM 6/9/98 , you wrote:
>I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250.
>The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26".

>Is the 4.88 the gear ration?
>Bill Adams

Yep. 4.88:1 rear end ratio.

Mike

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Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:56:55 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear end code help

Thanks for your message at 10:01 PM 6/9/98 -0500, Bill Adams. Your message
was:
>I'm trying to ID the rear end under a 61 F-250.
>The glove box tag gives a rear end code of "26".
>The plate on the rear end says:
>CITT-J 2333-2 7-61 4.88
>Can anybody help me here.
>Is the 4.88 the gear ration?
>Any help would be appreciated.
>--
According to my Red Book (I finally get to use it!) the number 26 does, in
fact indicate the 4.88:1 rear end.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:14:10 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 power steering conversion

I remember talking to a guy at a boneyard.......

He said the only years that would directly bolt up was like 67-69 ps
gearboxes, In order to make the other years fit you need to notch out the
engine mount. I was hoping he was wrong.........

I was also told that the alignment specs should be different.......Probably
just toe since it's the only adjustment without bending the I beams.. Does
anyone know?
Again I'm about to do this conversion very soon.. I would feel better if
someone else would confirm the bracket info/ and any input on the steering
geometry affect>
thanks in advance

DENNIS


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:22:18 EDT
From: Trs2000 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion

I read the article on the disk conversion and was looking for some advice on a
parts truck. What year would work? Do I need to replace the pedal linkage as
well? I was hoping to install a boneyard booster and get a new master and
splice in the lines....

any advice ?


Dennis's new project(trying to keep it low budget)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:41:55 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power brakes conversion

At 12:22 AM 6/10/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I read the article on the disk conversion and was looking for some advice on a
>parts truck. What year would work?

73-79

Do I need to replace the pedal linkage as
>well?

No.

I was hoping to install a boneyard booster and get a new master and
>splice in the lines....
>
>any advice ?
>

Use the booster from the same donor as the spindles.

Ken Payne

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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:57:33 -0400
From: "."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "THOSE DARN % #$*+ KINGPINS"

Hi Steve -=20
I was just thinking about that little press you just described you made =
for pushing out kingpins and a thought occurred to me.
Before I ask you, I have to tell you that just last Saturday, while I =
was happily pulling some parts in the boneyard so I could do a disc =
brake conversion on my '69 F350, I was praying the whole time that =
"my" kingpins would just fall out or at least be pushed out with 2 =
fingers like I read somewhere in a manual (or this list?)
Guess what ? ? ? ? ? ? Of course, the bloody pins were in=20
so tight, I didn't get them to move a 1/16 ! ! ! .......after 2 hours =
yet!

I now know what everybody else seemingly knows about kingpins......at =
least in this group........and that press ! !.....sounds like a winner =
!!
But being over 50 on a 96 degree day working through lunch in=20
full sun, pounding your guts out on a punch with 5 lb just got the best =
of me. I had to leave there with that spindle...so I got some help from =
Mr. Acetylene and introduced him to Mr. I-beam.=20
Under cooler, more controlled conditions in my garage workshop at home =
later that evening, It never entered my mind that pin was going to stay =
stuck....... Ask me how the 10lb worked sometime.

Now here's what I was thinking. (Only because I really never had any =
experience in replacing kingpins before I found this list),
If the dam* things are in there so tight, what the hell are we
bothering to replace them for ? ? What kind of driveability=20
problems do loose pins cause and if they are loose, there must be =
excessive clearances, right ? ?? ...maybe not over the entire=20
length of the pin, but surely over enough of it to compensate for=20
the smaller portion that may be rusted tight in the spindle
Jerry


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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:29:24 -0500
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering box adjusting

I recently had to remove my pitman arm, and in order to fit the
puller I had to really loosen up the adjustment screw. Now that
everything is back together I can't get the screw to turn more
....


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