61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 331



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
FTE 61-79 - update on switching out my distributor
FTE 61-79 - PO'd
FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - front axles
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Reverse Rotation Dana 44
Re: FTE 61-79 - PO'd
Re: FTE 61-79 - My little mule, I think she is mad at me (long/t
Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - PO'd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies
FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter
re:Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans
FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution
RE: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal
RE: FTE 61-79 - My little mule, I think she is mad at me (long/t
RE: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution
FTE 61-79 - the pull truck saga
RE: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:26:53 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

>Hell for 22,500 I could have the badest, the prettest, the shiniest the
Che_y eatenest 65F100 that ever tore up these Texas roads. The heck with
the new stuff. I'm not impressed. ABout the car. I got an extra stick
or two of TNT if your insurance is paid up(Only kidding) (Actually it's
C-4).

Jay B. 1965 F-100 Custom Cab Long Bed

JBMAN100 Hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:31:22 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - update on switching out my distributor

Howdy!

First of all I wanted to thank everyone (Deacon, Gary, John
LaGrone) that gave me advise on switching out my distributor. I finally
had a chance to switch out the distributor on my 292. I put in a NAPA
rebuilt distributor and a Petronix Electronic Conversion Kit. I have not
seen to much of a difference in the low end, but at the high end
(basically above 2000 rpms) the engine runs much smoother and has a little
more power.
I have one concern...for those that don't remember I have a 1963
F100...as I said earlier it runs great and smoothly at higher rpms, but it
runs a little rough at idle. It has been like that since I rebuilt the
engine and when I had the mechanical points system. It runs a little
rough, not to bad, but enough to were is bugs when I am at a stop light.
Do these old engines run a light rough at idle? I guess I am comparing
mine to the smoothness of a newer engine with hydraulic lifters.

Thanks for ya'lls time,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
h: 409-775-0737, w: 409-845-4623, fax: 409-845-6259
Personal Address: P.O. Box 2214, College Station, TX 77841-2214
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:39:04 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PO'd

Ken P writres: >>Guys/gals, I'm PO'd. This glass is worthless to me, I
even told the guy on Saturday that I wanted the glass from the blue 72
because I was restoring mine. There was only one blue 72. I called an
hour before I picked it up and let them know I was coming. I stated on the
phone that it the glass from the blue 72. He said, "yup, I remember".
Foggy glass sticks out like a sore thumb, especially if I show it - I can't
use what they gave me.

Go back to the yard and look on the yard yourself at the "blue '72" and see
if the windshield is still in it. If it is, then demand it. It is the one
you asked for and the guy on the phone acknowledged that he understood, so
you should have the one you asked for, not the one he wants you to have.
Hold your ground. Explain again that you are restoring a truck and
perfection is a "must", not an option.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:45:53 EDT
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans

i recently purchased a cooling fan made by a company called perma-cool.
they make many different fans . i think you should look for fans with the
highest cfm
and the lowest amp useage.
instructions on how to wire thermostat are included in thermostat kit.
using fan in conjuction with your regular fan might be a good idea, although
from what i've read the electric fans are most efficient as pullers not
pushers.

you might want to get a hold of a high performance catalog, jegs,summit etc,
they usually carry many different brands of fans.
luck
john e pearl
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:47:33 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front axles

> From: "bill comstock"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - front axles
> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:52:10 PDT

> Iv'e been wondering if anyone can help me find the correct
> measurements for the spindle to axle clearance. I replaced the
> kingpins on both sides but still have 1/8" vertical play even though
> i used all the load washers which were provided. Were there

There should be a bearing, some washers and a pin with bushing on
each side. The bearing goes on top as I recall and the ones I've
replaced fit pretty tight with no washers so if you have the bearing
in place correctly I think you may have a different axle than
original or a Friday version made from left over parts :-(

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:44:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:15:01 -0500

> from Germany. "World Car" indeed! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FORD!!!!
> At 82,000 miles it's worth about $6000. My payoff right now is
> $11,000. Need I say more? Come on over to my Back Porch
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr Ballinger ballingr ldd.net

One of the nice things about trucks is they hold their value better
than most cars. I still wouldn't buy an new truck because the truck
I "want" would cost more than my house. If I ever did buy one it
would be an F-350, 460 and then I would have to replace the transfer
case with a NP205 and when the EFI and E4OD started giving my trouble
I would have to invest in a wide ratio C-6 and carb and manifold so
there would be more expense.

Only advantage to having a new truck I can see is you don't have to
replace metal and paint it to make it look good and most come with
air which my wife needs but I can do without :-) Air's nice to have
when you are driving somewhere but not so nice to have when you work
on your own stuff, so............I keep one for the family that I
don't work on and one for me that I do which just happens to be old
and beat up and reliable as a stone, like me :-)



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:22:33 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Reverse Rotation Dana 44

Ken Payne wrote:

> Forwared for: "Michael R. Masse"
>
> When did Ford switch to the reverse rotation gears on the Dana 44?
>

That is kind of a wide ? The earliest I have seen one is on a 74 F-100 4x
with drum brakes. Some of the 3/4 ton fronts came in later years . Are
we looking for a 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton?

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:49:21 PDT
From: "Jay Branscome"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PO'd

>Ken,
I have another solution for your problem. Go back to the guy and start
whinning. While your doing that I will bring my platoon of hard charging
GI Joes down there and we will surround the place. Once we have a
perimeter set up the Marines that have been dogging each other lately
can go over the fence make lots of noise and then you can tell the guy
that if you don't get the windshield that you were supposed to get that
the Marines are going to blow up everything in the joint after the Fords
are pulled out. You'll get your windshield.

Jay B. 1965 F-100 Custom Cab Long Bed

JBMAN100 Hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:20:27 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My little mule, I think she is mad at me (long/t

> From: "Deacon"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - My little mule, I think she is mad at me (long/too long)
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:31:28 -0700

> accelerating. I checked my little mules motor mounts to see if they
> were broken and found 3 of the 4 bolts in the motor mounts were
> missing and the 4th was loose. So much for using anti-seize on motor
> mount bolts. :)

I've never had a bolt come out that was anti-seized? You can
generally get more tension for the same torque so it actually holds
better in most cases. I have, however, forgotten to tighten
them..................

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:30:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems

> From: "Jim Cron"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:14:47 -0700

> comes over and says the pickup ('67 390 with C-6) doesn't go in 3rd
> or reverse any more. Anyway, I put 2 quarts in and it drove a little
> better but still no third gear or reverse. Tell me, o ye that have

Reverse is usually the last to go when fluid levels get low or other
switching problems come up so it it doesn't work it may be a bad
sign :-( Fluid level will affect rev or third and the modulator will
affect third but has no effect on rev AFAIK so if topping it off
doesn't fix it I'd say you have internal problems. To be sure make
sure the vac line to the modulator is hooked up correctly and the
tranny is showing full on the stick in park at idle. You will have
to wait several minutes for the oil level to subside in the tube
before checking if you add very much at a time so be patient.

If you need to open it up it can be done with some good referance
manuals with pictures. Autos are actually pretty simple but they are
EXTREMEMLY sensitive to dirt so you have to have a VERY clean place
to work on them and keep all parts VERY CLEAN in the process.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:49:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PO'd

At 06:49 AM 6/3/98 PDT, you wrote:
>
>
>>Ken,
>I have another solution for your problem. Go back to the guy and start
>whinning. While your doing that I will bring my platoon of hard charging
>GI Joes down there and we will surround the place. Once we have a
>perimeter set up the Marines that have been dogging each other lately
>can go over the fence make lots of noise and then you can tell the guy
>that if you don't get the windshield that you were supposed to get that
>the Marines are going to blow up everything in the joint after the Fords
>are pulled out. You'll get your windshield.
>
>Jay B. 1965 F-100 Custom Cab Long Bed
>
>JBMAN100 Hotmail.com
>

I like this solution! Just make sure the windshield isn't
shot in the fire fight, I guess a flamethrower would be
work well!

Ken Payne


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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:53:16 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans

At 08:45 AM 6/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>i recently purchased a cooling fan made by a company called perma-cool.
>they make many different fans . i think you should look for fans with the
>highest cfm
>and the lowest amp useage.

I agree You want the highest CFM possible. The problem is that the CFM
ratings are rated at Free Air or at some unknown pressure drop so the
CFM ratings between manufacturers may be comparing apples to oranges.
2 different fans with the same Free Air CFM rating may move considerably
different amounts of air with a pressure drop of 0.5" water column.
It doesn't take much air restriction to drop the CFM rating a bunch.
For example, I have specs for a small industrial blade type fan here:

Free air rating: 820 CFM
At static pressure drop of 0.1" H2O: 769 CFM
"" 0.2" H2O: 720 CFM
"" 0.3" H2O: 668 CFM
"" 0.4" H20: 602 CFM
"" 0.5" H2O: 532 CFM
"" 0.6" H20: 360 CFM
"" 0.7" H2O: 245 CFM
"" 0.8" H2O: 140 CFM

Another fan In the catalog only moves 725 CFM at free air, but moves
548 CFM at 0.5" H20, so even tho the free air rating is lower it moves
more air than the other one under "real world" conditions.

The setup on my '71 operates at a pressure drop of about 0.4" H2O,
so You can see what that would do to the CFM rating of the fans in
the example...
The CFM ratings can give You a rough guide, but take them with a grain of
salt unless they give the rating at a reasonable pressure drop.

As far as the current rating goes, I kinda figure go with the ones
with higher current ratings. Hopefully the higher current means a more
powerful motor which helps keep the airflow curve flatter at higher
pressure drops. With small motors, the fan slows down a lot as You
increase the pressure drop across the fan blades. Of course a higher
current draw could also just meen the motor is less efficient, but I
would expect most of the cheap per-mag motors in these fans to be in
roughly the same boat efficiency-wise. Who knows...

>instructions on how to wire thermostat are included in thermostat kit.
>using fan in conjuction with your regular fan might be a good idea, although
>from what i've read the electric fans are most efficient as pullers not
>pushers.

Most fans will "push" more air thru a given restriction than they can
"pull" thru. Pushers are usually slightly more efficient. The other
advantage of "pushers" is that the fans don't get the hot air from the
rad blowing across them so they may live longer.
There wasn't room to mount mine as pushers, only as pullers.

>you might want to get a hold of a high performance catalog, jegs,summit etc,
>they usually carry many different brands of fans.

Tons of fans to choose from out there! I looked at a bunch of fans
and their ratings and finally threw my hands up and went on gut feeling
and what was readily available.
I feel *real* good about what I ended up with, but it was kind of a crap
shoot...


Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:10:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

I appreciate a good rant as much as the next guy but a '95 with 82K on it
is some pretty severe driving even for a Ford. You might want to consider a
Ford extended warranty on the next one you buy. I don't know if this was a
used vehicle or if you put that kind of mileage on it but there are
alternatives for situations like this. As far as foreign manufacture and
exorbitant prices for parts...welcome to the glorious "global economy."

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> From: William L Ballinger
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 11:15 PM
>
>
> I have a '95 Contour that I've spent more on keeping going than I spent
on
> my truck's ressurection. $400 for a German made cooling fan, $110 for a
U.K.
> made rotor. I need to replace the clutch in the near future, $275 dollars
> for parts and 12 hrs(that's right, 12 hrs) of labor. Yeah, buddy. Now the
> driver's side seat track has a broken spring that releases it to move. Do
> you think they'd sell me a spring? No, I need a whole seat track assembly
at
> $250 plus shipping from Germany. "World Car" indeed! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO
BE
> A FORD!!!! At 82,000 miles it's worth about $6000. My payoff right now is
> $11,000. Need I say more?

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:37 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

Generally...I mean that...the 3 day "right of recision" you're referring to
is only applicable to items purchased from "door to door" type sales. I
have heard of it being extended to telemarketers in some cases but it
usually doesn't apply to a "cash & carry" type retail business.

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> From: Jason K. Schechner
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies
> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 12:16 AM
>
>
> In most states you have what (I think) is called a "Three day
> right of recision" No matter what their stated policy you can return
> *anything* within three days. I wouldn't mention that at first (and I
> would definately check with your local chamber of commerce first) but you
> may need to bring that up if they aren't straight with you.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:46:06 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter

I don't think this directly relates to the current thread but here is my
experience with clutch chatter.

I had an 82 D**ge D-50. Dad bought it new and it was my first vehicle. The
deal was it was the farm truck till I went to college then it was mine. By
the time I went to college it was 4 years old and had 80K miles. On the way
home one weekend the clutch started slipping. I told dad when I got home
and he insisted we change the clutch immediately. We bought a new plate,
bearing and pressure plate and took it to his mechanic. Dad didn't spring
to have the flywheel resurfaced. After I got the truck back the clutch
didn't slip but it would chatter when pulling away from a stop. I lived
with it for a while then a guy in my class who was a mechanic in a previous
life suggested I resurface the flywheel in the truck. NO I mean IN the
truck. I tried his suggestion. I set the parking brake, put the truck in
gear, revved the engine and slowly let the clutch out. When it started to
engage I increased the engine speed as I continued to let it out. Just
before it stalled I clutched it again. I repeated this procedure once more
and never had it chatter again. I drove it for another 40K miles and then
traded it back to dad for his 87 Ford Ranger.

You don't want to go too far with this or you could burn the flywheel or
burn up the clutch. It seemed to break the glazing on the flywheel or maybe
it mated the disk to the flywheel. Either way the chatter went away.

Tom H.


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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 13:56:36 -0400
From: "Donald R. Haulsee"
Subject: re:Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems

The C6 uses the rear clutch to engage both reverse and 3rd. If both gears are
gone and a simple fluid change or top up doesn't help then I am almost
positive that the rear clutch is not engageing. This could be as simple as a
hung valve in the valve body or as complex as a complete rebuild.

Working from memory here:

1st front clutch engaged overrun clutch in "D" or Rear band "1" position
2nd front clutch and band engaged
3rd front and rear clutch engaged
Reverse rear clutch and rear band engaged

Note: Reverse pressure is typically boosted. Manual "1st" is also commonly
boosted.

I have not pulled a C6 down. I have done numerous C3's, C4's, 700R4's, and of
all things, Saab T37's

Ford 3 speed auto transmissions are really not that complex. Get a manual and
some cleaning supplies and set up a clean work area. You may need to
fabricate a small threaded rod press to collapse the return springs in the
clutch pistons.

Manuals and rebuild kits are available from several suppliers. I use the
Transmission Exchange Co in Portland Oregon frequently. They accept charge
cards and personal orders. Phone # is 1-800-776-1191.

Good Luck,

Don Haulsee
Richmond, Va

85 Capri Rs 5.0 converted to SEFI SD injection
86 TurboCoupe 5 spd 18 psi boost intercooled
87 Merkur XR4Ti auto resurected from The DEAD (I rebuilt its C3 3 weeks ago)
66 F100 BEING converted to 5.0 HO AOD SEFI SD injection
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:04:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:53:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans

> I agree You want the highest CFM possible. The problem is that the
> CFM
> ratings are rated at Free Air or at some unknown pressure drop so
> the CFM ratings between manufacturers may be comparing apples to
> oranges. 2 different fans with the same Free Air CFM rating may
> move considerably different amounts of air with a pressure drop of

Steve, did you run across any 19 - 20" fans in the process? The
original poster mentioned one, what brand was it? I would like to
try a single puller fan inside my shroud to replace the mechanical
fan but I want it to fill the shroud?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:01:23 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

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> From: Gary, 78 BBB



> If I ever did buy one it
> would be an F-350, 460 and then I would have to replace the > transfer
> case with a NP205 and when the EFI and E4OD started giving > my trouble
> I would have to invest in a wide ratio C-6 and carb and > manifold so
> there would be more expense.


Geee Peters, I would have bet a mint that you would have known that you can
still get that C6 behind a 460, well up to the '97 model year anyway, and
its a credit too, so you could run out and buy the transfer case you want,
to make it heavier. I really think you would be sold on the EFI long before
it ever started giving you troubles.

> Only advantage to having a new truck I can see is you don't > have to
> replace metal and paint it to make it look good and most > come with
> air which my wife needs but I can do without :-)

Except for the fact that if you intend on keeping it till someone has to
pay inheritance tax on it. Then it's the cool thing, Always maintained
properly throughout. I will relish in the feeling of driving my F-350
twenty or thirty years from now, With port fuel injection. Only the EEC
will be the size of a postage stamp and I will carry spares.. :)

> Air's nice to have
> when you are driving somewhere but not so nice to have when > you work
> on your own stuff,

well never too late to learn to fix A/C, it's easy :)

> I keep one for the family that I
> don't work on and one for me that I do which just happens > to be old
> and beat up and reliable as a stone, like me :-)


hmmmmm ..... well....naaaaaaaaaa :)


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:11:02 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: cooling fans

>Steve, did you run across any 19 - 20" fans in the process? The
>original poster mentioned one, what brand was it? I would like to
>try a single puller fan inside my shroud to replace the mechanical
>fan but I want it to fill the shroud?

Yeah, Kragens had them in 12", 14", and 20". I wasn't too impressed
with the 20" tho, as the 3 fans were rated at 2200, 2400, and 2600CFM.
I figured the 12 and 14 together (4600CFM) was a better deal than a
single 20" at 2600CFM. All 3 fans appeared to use the exact same motor
and current draw for the 20" was only slightly higher than the 14", so
I expect the 20" turns a lot slower...

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/

Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:53:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution

Since so many people responded to my junkyard flunky
frustration email I thought I'd let you know the
outcome.

They were real polite and never questioned my decision
to return it. Gave me a credit, their policy is
"no refunds, just credit". I was aware of that policy
and I can live with it. It turns out that the "flunky"
can't speak english well and didn't really understand
me. He really was trying to help, so he's not a flunky.

The window on the 72 cracked when he was trying to take
it out (the rubber is very old and hard). He didn't know
it was for a restoration and simply picked the next best
window because he knew I was on my way over. He didn't
understand what I was saying when I asked him if it
was the correct window, he understood "Ford", "truck" and
"window" and answered my question with "yes, its right".


I walked into the yard prior to talking to them and I saw
where the window cracked so I know they were telling the
truth.

My faith in humanity is restored and I won't need to
call in the Marines. I'll probably spend the $75 there
this weekend anyways so no loss.

Ken Payne


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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:39:13 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

> Mike Wesley has proven that it can be done now all we have to do is
> wait for the big three to buy him out and bury his research so they
> can go on with their nothing research and public hype, dragging their
> feet and stepping on each other's toes so nothing gets done and when
> they finally do get somewhere the EPA or Sierra club or women's lib
> or the Gay community will find something wrong with it and legislate
> it into inefficiency again..............:-(
>
> That's it, I have no more to say and you can take it any way you like
> but I've been watching the industry from the inside for 33 years and
> don't expect to see any changes for the better, it's getting worse if
> anything, sad to say :-(
>
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>
> -- Gary --

Is that the guy from Orbital Engines?

Ken Schneider

68 F-100 Ranger 360, C6
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:39:11 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal

I've got a 68 Ranger, so none of that 69 Woodgrain stuff! (even though it is
currently titled as a 69) I'd prefer black, but I will paint. I currently
have completly mint blue interior I pulled from a junkyard and would like to
swap it back to black.

Ken Schneider

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Payne
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 9:53 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal
>
>
> At 02:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >any mint door panals? or seats?
> >
>
> No seats, I'll check on door panels. What year do you
> have? The 68+ isn't the same as the 67.
>
> Ken Payne
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:39:18 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My little mule, I think she is mad at me (long/t

Oh so your the one that put my truck together! :) It seems every bolt I
bother to check is loose, not to mension the spartk plugs or the straps from
the frame that hold the exaust!

That was a year ago, not no more!

Ken Schneider

68 F-100 Ranger 360, C6, Southern Truck in MI, only non salt months of
course!

> > accelerating. I checked my little mules motor mounts to see if they
> > were broken and found 3 of the 4 bolts in the motor mounts were
> > missing and the 4th was loose. So much for using anti-seize on motor
> > mount bolts. :)
>
> I've never had a bolt come out that was anti-seized? You can
> generally get more tension for the same torque so it actually holds
> better in most cases. I have, however, forgotten to tighten
> them..................

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:47:33 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution

too bad that window cracked. hope you find another one in great shape soon.

sleddog

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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 5:53 PM
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunky - resolution

The window on the 72 cracked when he was trying to take
it out (the rubber is very old and hard).

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:01:09 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - the pull truck saga

hello all,

just got the other half of my stroker kit! now i need the rest of my
engine parts, block work done, and i can drop it in my new truck.

new truck??

yes! i am getting a different truck for pulling. a chevy

just kidding, it is a 79 f350 already set up for pulling. it has a GM
rear, but the 14 bolt corporate rear is the strongest one according to many
sources.

this means i'll be able to put my 77 back on the street and on the trails
again. i'll drop in a lower stall converter and fix a few things back to
street and away i'll go. i did miss not driving it on the street for the
last 2 years as often as i used to.

hopefully i can get a picture of it soon to put on the website next to my
other truck. i'll let you all know when i can. i should have the truck in
a week or so. oooh, i get all excited just thinking about her... oops,....


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