61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 330



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies
RE: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
FTE 61-79 - front axles
FTE 61-79 - Reverse Rotation Dana 44
FTE 61-79 - Blue being thicker then water...
FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - COOLING FAN QUESTIONS
FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:29:40 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

request that someone else pull the next glass,the other guy may get chewed
out,
and be a little ticked if he has to pull another one.in other words he may not
be so careful next time.
jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:43:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help

Forwarded for: Bryan Kirking

Tony,
Deacon makes sense pointing out it is unlikely that ALL the senders went
bad together. However, if you want to test the fuel gauge, you can do so
wth an ohm meter. Position the float into the full position and you
should measure very little resistance (close to 0 ohms) then put the float
in the empty position and you should measure very high resistance. I dont
think it goes to an open circuit, but 100 ohms seems to come to mind. I
would think you could measure the other senders the same way, but I have
never done so.

Bryan Kirking
Research Engineer
Department of Orthopedic Surgery
Baylor College of Medicine
Houston, Texas

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:52:10 PDT
From: "bill comstock"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - front axles

'78 f150 302 fmx 2wd

Iv'e been wondering if anyone can help me find the correct measurements
for the spindle to axle clearance. I replaced the kingpins on both
sides but still have 1/8" vertical play even though i used all the load
washers which were provided. Were there different axles used on these
trucks, or do i just have a suspension built on a friday. I would
greatly appreciate a list of the proper sizes due to my having to
reengineer other mistakes the previous owner made.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 00:19:29 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Reverse Rotation Dana 44

Forwared for: "Michael R. Masse"


When did Ford switch to the reverse rotation gears on the Dana 44?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:28:45 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blue being thicker then water...

Ken
Try working with the flunky first.
Then get a-hold of the owner, explain the situation, give him/her the
opportunity to blame the flunky, bosses hate to be blamed.
If that don't work... walk out... but before doing so inform the low-life
that your going to tell your family about their excellent establishment.
Then you simply let us (The Family) know the phone number of such a fine
business... so that we can call and ask if they have any more 427OHC's, or
Boss 429's, or windshields for a 72...

The sound of the ring is a powerful thing

Chris
79 Bronco




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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:14:47 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 problems

Not my day. Just finished replacing both front rotors on my '74 because I
didn't notice the rivets were nibbling on them, and my son comes over and
says the pickup ('67 390 with C-6) doesn't go in 3rd or reverse any more.
Anyway, I put 2 quarts in and it drove a little better but still no third
gear or reverse. Tell me, o ye that have been there, how bad off am I? Can
this thing be patched up in any way in the truck, or am I looking at a trip
to the trans. shop and major surgery to my wallet? I have tore down most
every part of a truck but never automatic transmissions.

TIA

Jim Cron




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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:07:14 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - COOLING FAN QUESTIONS

At 10:41 PM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Steve-
>did you mount 2 fans on the rad or did you mount a twin-fan unit?
>I found Pep-Boys outlet locally that lists a twin-fan unit for HD cooling
>of the 351W but they don't stock it so I can't see it. I think the mfg is
Haynes ? ?...not sure. are there any better mfr's than any others ?

Mine are just singles. A 12" and a 14" side by side.
I got 'em at... Heehee... Kragens.
I'm sure that some brands might be better than others, but I don't know
which. One thing I did learn is that large fans don't necessarily move
much more air than small ones. The brand I got was available in 12", 14",
and 20" sizes and moved (I recall) about 2200, 2400, and 2600CFM. So the
12 and 14 together are much more potent than a single 20". All 3 use the
same motor and the larger blades just turn slower...

>how did you configure the thermostatic control ? What type of sending
unit did >you have to use and where did you mount it?

I used an adjustable thermo from Kragens. The probe just slips btween the
rad water neck and the hose, a setup I don't like much, but it hasn't leaked
yet so I guess I won't sweat it for awhile. Some day I'll solder a therm well
into the top of the rad for the probe...

>Also, is it OK to run it direct off the battery using a relay through the
sending unit?

Yeah, mine comes off the battery, thru a 20 amp fuse then to the relay and
fans.


>You know....I have just got to tell you how much I enjoy driving at nite
again >after doin the "relay thing" with the lites. ...love those relays!

Yep, makes a big difference, don't it! (-:

>You might be interested in knowing that certain GM C-bodys have at least
two beautiful, big, black, plug-in type Bosch-type relays, (with number
codes printed on them), wired with 12g and 14g wires to beautiful, big,
black sockets right up high in the left side of the engine compartment just
ripe for the picking to use for future conversions.

Various OEM's have used them for over 3 decades now. Fuel pump relay for
'67 VW squarebacks with EFI is the earliest I know of...
I found some sockets for them also at a Pep-boys in sacramento a couple
weeks ago.

If You goto my website and follow the "F100" link, You can see a grainy
photo of my fan mounting.

Steve
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Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:17:24 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter

One of the things that I had to learn the hard way years ago when my small
business was in the habit of repairing anything and everything.
Often our customers would want to pinch their pennies and use the cheapest
parts on the market. When it comes to clutches that is rebuilt.
OEM type Clutch disks (IMNSHO) can not be rebuilt! Period.
The Pressure plate can IF the shop doing the work is knowledgeable but the
price will then be almost what a new one it... so why take the chance?
But the disk? No way!
If you look at the edge of virtually any OEM type disk, in between the
friction material or facings you can see the metal of the disk. This metal
is not just a flat round disk. There is a feature is called Marcel (which I
may
have just butchered the spelling on); Marcel is a spring. Marcel when
viewed on the edge of the disk is shaped like a wave or an "S". It is
formed when they stamp out the disk, and then the disk is heat treated.
The way that it works is: As the P/Plate is applied this Marcel spring
cushions the shock load and allows the engagement to happen smoothly. As a
clutch disk is used it is subject to a bunch of heat. This heat in the end
anneals the metal of the disk and allows the Marcel to flatten out. When
the Marcel is flattened out it will not cushion the application of the
clutch and it will vibrate or chatter as it is engaged, particularly in
first gear.
The Marcel can not be economically be re-set, so, it isn't on a rebuilt
clutch.
Another thing that happens on an OEM type clutch is that the springs in the
hub fail, again due to heat. This reduction in spring rate will cause
chatter. A weak spring will also break. Having parts of spring shrapnel
flying around in the clutch assembly is not a good thing.
If you are getting chatter in first gear & or sometimes second, but you can
side step the clutch and not have it, and you have a ReMan clutch disk (or a
really cheap one), and everything else is in good condition, IME 99 times
out of 100 its the disk!

Chris
79 Bronco










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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:15:01 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

Gary wrote,

>That's it, I have no more to say and you can take it any way you like
>but I've been watching the industry from the inside for 33 years and
>don't expect to see any changes for the better, it's getting worse if
>anything, sad to say :-(

That's why there's guys like us keeping the old stuff alive. I get more
satisfaction out of my '65 than I'd ever get out of a new one.(if I could
afford it) As an aside, SWMBO has argued that I should buy a new one,(at
$22,500) but she gives me hell when I talk about buying door gaskets and an
anti-rattle kit for my '65, go figure.

I don't know why, I guess it's just my Scottish genetics coming through. I
would much rather spend $22,500 on a lot of other things than daily
transportation. (like restoring an old Mustang and my '65 and have enough
left to fill up and go somewhere? Build and equip a shop, maybe?) The
dealers and banks have the money tied up to where you have to buy new stuff,
which in the same vein, though in another aspect, as your comments is just
more manipulation of the public. It really p*sses me off sometimes.

I have a '95 Contour that I've spent more on keeping going than I spent on
my truck's ressurection. $400 for a German made cooling fan, $110 for a U.K.
made rotor. I need to replace the clutch in the near future, $275 dollars
for parts and 12 hrs(that's right, 12 hrs) of labor. Yeah, buddy. Now the
driver's side seat track has a broken spring that releases it to move. Do
you think they'd sell me a spring? No, I need a whole seat track assembly at
$250 plus shipping from Germany. "World Car" indeed! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE
A FORD!!!! At 82,000 miles it's worth about $6000. My payoff right now is
$11,000. Need I say more?
Come on over to my Back Porch
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:16:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jason K. Schechner"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

In most states you have what (I think) is called a "Three day
right of recision" No matter what their stated policy you can return
*anything* within three days. I wouldn't mention that at first (and I
would definately check with your local chamber of commerce first) but you
may need to bring that up if they aren't straight with you.
Like others have posted to the list I would start off politely,
assuming it was an honest mistake and then see what happens. You might
want to tell them that you run a mailing list of, literally, thousands of
61-79 Ford Truck owners and that pissing you off would likely lost them
quite a few sales. When their bottom line is threatened they'll usually
bend pretty quickly.

- -Jason
79 Bronco (460 in progress! C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - BGHOSS
95 Mustang GT - LTLHOS - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing
84 Kawasaki GPz550 - TNYHOS - to make up for the Broncos' appetite

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