61-79-list-digest Tuesday, June 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 328



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 8"/9"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal
Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame
RE: FTE 61-79 - rear end question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame
FTE 61-79 - 302 EFI setup
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bill's Bed on his '65
FTE 61-79 - RE: Was EFI on a '73 302 NOW Silicone Black Magic
FTE 61-79 - seats, tailgates, bragging
FTE 61-79 - CRANK
FTE 61-79 - tailgate 77 ford f150 custom?
FTE 61-79 - Program dirt
Re: FTE 61-79 - CRANK
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302
FTE 61-79 - Chris Kelley
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wide Ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cargo lamp in a supercab
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end question
Re: FTE 61-79 - '72 Ranger
FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:27:46 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 8"/9"

Dennis writes: >>Were all early Mustangs 65-73 8"?/

NO!! Just some of them. Mostly the 6 bangers, and not even all of them.
I'm not even sure about the Mustangs, but I am sure about the Falcons, and
have been told it applied to the very early Mustangs.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:24:32 -0400
From: "David Butts"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help

Anyone know how to get that little metal box off of the plastic membrane?
It looks like 2 big rivets hold it on.

How do you get the new one on?

ThanX
- -----Original Message-----
From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help


>
>>All of the guages in my '70 F-100 don't work, and I've tried two other
>>dashes without luck. I would like to test the sending units to find out
>>wether the problem is in the wiring, or in the actual sensors themselves,
>>so I was wondering if somebody could give me the Ohm, Volt, or whatever
>>range for the Temp, Oil Pressure, and Fuel guage sending units. Thanks a
>>bunch!
>
> If none of the gauges work, it sounds like a power or ground connection
> that's common to the whole cluster. There's also a little metal box that's
> a voltage regulator for the cluster. Yours may be roasted...
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
>
> Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
> leans on the doorbell.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:52:50 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dash pad removal

At 02:21 AM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>any mint door panals? or seats?
>

No seats, I'll check on door panels. What year do you
have? The 68+ isn't the same as the 67.

Ken Payne


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 07:00:29 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame

Jeff: Spotted this one in our local recycler:

CUSTOM TRUCK
CUSTOM TRUCK 79 FORD F250
supercab 4x4, Dana 60 front & rear, power
steering, power brakes, air, dual battery &
gas,cd stereo, capt seats, 10K Warn win.,
custom whls, $5800 or best offer
714-770-0490

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> i have not had any luck in finding an extended cab 4x4 for sale.
> does any one know if a supercab cab and a shortbed will fit a std cab lwb
> truck
> 78-79?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:43:32 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - rear end question

i'll give you some of my experience with the supposedly strong but always
breaks for me 9" rear. with no real organization, here's some thoughts.

first, there are 3 different housings. each one the center "pumpkin" is
wider than the other. the biggest was used on ford trucks in the 70's and
some muscle and luxo cars.

the limited slip is a clutch type differential. this is what you want
unless you do some harder wheeling, pulling, dragging, mudding, etc. the
detroit is the best locker. the other lockers are and -locs all fall
between the posi and the detroit locker somewhere to fill varying needs of
performance vs drivability etc.

any of them can be bought for the 9". only the posi type clutch pack came
factory from ford.

the carrier is what holds the ring gear and side gears. the case is the
third member, including the carrier, pinion, snout, etc. that bolts into
the axle housing.

the axle housings have at least 2 different bolt patterns on the ends for
bolting on the backing plate and axle retainers.

if you need a posi, get a 31 spline and get axles too. the 31 spline is
quite a bit stronger. if you buy aftermarket axles, do not get
thru-hardened axles. they are for racing only!

if it is an open diff, you can turn one side gear while holding the other.
use an axle to turn/hold the gears.

when getting used center sections, look inside into the third pinion
bearing next to the ring gear. these tend to crack. even cracked it will
work for awhile. i put almost 10 pulls on one cracked, and maybe more in
previous years on another one. but they do eventually break, usually
takeing out the ring gear and pinion.

for a street 460/c6 truck i myself would go locker. but i recommend for
anyone else a posi or open diff. i like lockers for they are predictable.
either you go straight under low throttle or you take it sideways under
heavy throttle - it is predictable. an open or posi is unpredictable.
give it WFO throttle one day and one tire spins, the next day you find
yourself doing 360's in the walmart parking lot! unless you already have a
tire spin/traction problem, an open is fine. if you do have a spin problem
then a posi would most likely be the best bet. and if anyone drives your
truck that is, shall i say, inexperienced with power/light back
end/sideways slides and sudden traction or loss of traction, a locker is a
definate NO-NO!

a locker must have both tires' rolling radius the same. NOT the tire
pressure, but the actual radius of the tire. this does require some
attention.

i THINK all posi 9"ers are 31 spline axles. here is what i suggest. find
a $50 9" complete assy with a posi and 31 splines and swap it in (check it
out good first tho!) or get a 31 spline center with posi and axles and
correct wheel bearings to put into your housing.

i am sure someone like moser, strange etc, can get you a posi for yours,
but i think going with stock ford 31 spline posi is the cheapest way.

can't help with numbers, but usually the gear ratio is on the ring gear
stamped.

there's more, but now my fingers are tired. maybe later i can tell you how
i made two different 9"ers into one unit including getting the rust off the
ring gear enough so it will rotate in record time and made a couple pulls
on it without breaking so far it is still in the truck. and i mean those
gears where rusty!

sleddog

ps-go to the library. some of the 4 wheel mags have good articles on the
differences between the locker/psoi/open/spool/torsen/etc

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From: jniolon uss.com[SMTP:jniolon uss.com]
Sent: Monday, June 01, 1998 4:17 PM
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end question


O.K. your rear end experts...help me

I've been looking for a limited slip 9" 28 spline chunk for a while
and gathered a little information...just enough to confuse me

I see the names traction-loc, an equal-loc, limited slip etc...nad I
understnad some have clutches..some don't ???

Can anyone give a definitive description of each?
Are all interchangeable into a 9" case ?
What numbers, stamps, markings identify each ?
Pros & cons for a street truck using a 460/C-6 combo

Ive found one that has the stamping C6AW on the differential case
(where the ring gear bolts on) and 9D30 somewhere on the body of the
differential case (I'm saying "case" to identify where the
differental side gears mesh.. and differential carrier is the front
portion of the chunk that everything is bolted to, that's what the
ford book calls them anyway)

I don't have the complete chunk so no tag, I also have another full
chunk sans tag..tell me what to look for please

can anyone tell me if this is a locker, limited slip or what

I see no clutches only gear clusters

Your assistance oh great ones, please !!!!!

john
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:52:33 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help

Hey Dave-

I was the one who started this whole ordeal on guages, and I haven't
replied to all of the great people who helped me with my problem because my
plastic membrane plug ripped right off when I CAREFULLY tried to remove the
regulator, and since then I haven't had a chance to solder up the new one
to see if that was the problem, I haven't opened my mouth.
But to answer your question, it's a 9 volt battery type plug. Get a pick
or something and gently pry between the regulator and the membrane at each
plug and you'll have better luck than I did hopefully!

Tony

At 09:24 AM 6/2/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone know how to get that little metal box off of the plastic membrane?
>It looks like 2 big rivets hold it on.
>
>How do you get the new one on?
>
>ThanX
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sdelanty sonic.net
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 9:28 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Guage Help
>
>
>>
>>>All of the guages in my '70 F-100 don't work, and I've tried two other
>>>dashes without luck. I would like to test the sending units to find out
>>>wether the problem is in the wiring, or in the actual sensors themselves,
>>>so I was wondering if somebody could give me the Ohm, Volt, or whatever
>>>range for the Temp, Oil Pressure, and Fuel guage sending units. Thanks a
>>>bunch!
>>
>> If none of the gauges work, it sounds like a power or ground connection
>> that's common to the whole cluster. There's also a little metal box that's
>> a voltage regulator for the cluster. Yours may be roasted...
>>
>> Steve
>> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/
>>
>> Opportunity may knock only once, but temptation
>> leans on the doorbell.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:52:25 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - extended cab/swb box on lwb frame

i have not had any luck in finding an extended cab 4x4 for sale.
> does any one know if a supercab cab and a shortbed will fit a std cab lwb
> truck
> 78-79?

Where do you live. I know of one for 900$. No bed though. Has AC and
75 grill. I'm in central Jersey.

OX

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:14:36 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 EFI setup

Hewre's a guy selling the efi setup for $200. Sounds pretty cheap to
me.

Regards
John



JetJockey my-dejanews.com wrote:

> I have a late 80's 5.0 (302) fuel injection intake
> (upper and lower) with injectors, throttle body,
> mass airflow computer, complete wiring diagram, and
> new sensors. Everything is in excellent condition.
>
> This set-up *was* going to go onto my '68 Cougar, but
> I've decided to go with a Paxton feeding a Holley
> Projection instead...I'm looking for $200 for the
> whole pile of stuff.
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:46:54 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bill's Bed on his '65

>I was looking at the photos of your beast and had a long look at your
truck's bed. All
>the 64, 65, 66 Stylesides I have seen have a flare running off the fender
well back to
>the bumper. I can not make this out in your photos. Is it there or is
this something
>from another year? I see that you have the same stainless steel grill that
I do. Got
>mine off a junked '66.


The bed is a '57 to '60 style bed. Ford used them on the F100 4X4 through
'65, and the F250 4X4 through '66. My wheelbase is only 120 in, where the
fancy bed trucks are 129 in. The reason they used them is when they had the
unibody, they had a poblem with flex, so the 4x's got the old style bed. I
also think that it interchanged with phone truck beds and the optional
stakebed, so why change? I've had people get almost hostile when I tell them
that it came that way. There's a picture of one just like mine in Moses
Ludel's "F-series Owner's Bible", and in Jim Allen's "Classic 4X4's"

As for the grille, I think it's an NOS '66. A counter old-timer at the Ford
dealership (former line mechanic) said that it's possible on the 4X's to
have the new grille, or an older one even. (say's he's seen it before) I
also have an NP435 which wasn't supposed to be available until '66 (the code
matches) They built them out of leftovers or whatever they had on hand. If
they ran out of something they got an old piece (or a new one if it was in
the plant) He also said that they were special ordered so they were built on
a demand basis usually to fill fleet contracts. Thus they were run through
pretty quick with the emphasis on drivetrain. The fit and finish on the body
was pretty crude, bolts left out etc. The wiring requires a '63 '64 and '65
diagram to get the colors to match and it appears to not have been replaced.
He said that this was common too. They weren't made to the same finish
standards as standard trucks, if you think about it who could anticipate one
lasting this long the way they were worked to death. Did anyone on the list
work at the Kansas City plant in '65 and could substantiate all of this? All
of this said, it isn't the one that came on it, so I'll say it's an NOS '66.

Love that old beast, it really is someting else. Now that it's lined out it
drives as well as any truck I've ever had. SWMBO hates my "hillbilly" truck
but has said that she can't believe I could get it as nice as it is, being
what it is.


Come on over to my Back Porch
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Ballinger
ballingr ldd.net

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:29:54 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Was EFI on a '73 302 NOW Silicone Black Magic

Deacon wrote:

> Just the idea that someone could program instructions into a cube of
>dirt to do what they do, baffles the hell out of me. :)

I work for a vendor company in the semiconductor industry. It was amazing
to me too until I had a chance to visit one of our customers a couple of
weeks ago. The had all of this high tech facad up front but as I passed a
back room I happened to see a bunch of old croans gathered around a bubbling
cauldron. They were muttering something about eye of newt, leg of lamb,
frog gizzard, crow beak, dragon's breath, and a pinch of troll wart. Then
poof there appeared a wiz bang gizmo. So I guess it's magic. No wait it's
FM. No wait it's PFM. Yeah that's it. ;0)

Tom H.
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:57:01 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: FTE 61-79 - seats, tailgates, bragging

Hey all,

First of all, I don't know off hand of the location of any good mercury
tailgate, but I'll keep my eyes open. They are the same, actually, for
both the 65/66 trucks and the 67-72 trucks, as I recall. Please do correct
me if I am wrong! Another thing you can do is take the gate apart and just
cut out the 'mercury' lettering panel and weld it into a good Ford tailgate.

Second, the other day I hit the jackpot--a BUCKET SEAT for my truck!!!
Now, I had a mint bench seat with original grey saltnpepper speckles, but
nooo, I'm now getting the BUCKET STYLE SEAT. It's ripped of course but
I'll trade the mint bench to the guy plus maybe some cash in exchange. The
bucket seat is unreal, it's like the back seat of a mustang (i.e. not a
true bucket, cuz there's a little pad-like thing in the center. Sick, as
the snowboarders say. Rad. Cool even. Had to follow a guy into a
Starbuck's coffee and bug him for it, now I have to go and see him and
haggle a price.

Anybody suggest what the price for a ripped up ol' bucket style seat shud be?


thanks!

marko 8^]

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:22:30 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CRANK

YIPEEEE! I GOT MY CRANK SHAFT TODAY! now where's the rest of the stroker kit?

ok, ok, i know nobady cares, but i had to say it.

sleddog

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:23:39 -0700
From: Miguel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tailgate 77 ford f150 custom?

how do you get the top clip of the tailgate lever on. do I have to take
the whole tailgate apart. the bottom one was pretty easy to replace but
i want to replace the top clip before it breaks.can some one give me
some info, before i take it apart.
thanx,
miguel

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:47:11 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Program dirt

Deacon writes: >> Just the idea that someone could program instructions
into a cube of dirt to do what they do, baffles the hell out of me. :)

You know deacon, I agree totally and I was trained at one time in
electronics. It was during the days of vacuum tubes though and these chips
are sure strange to me. I just simply don't understand.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:53:51 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - CRANK

>YIPEEEE! I GOT MY CRANK SHAFT TODAY! now where's the rest of the stroker kit?
>
>ok, ok, i know nobady cares, but i had to say it.
>
>sleddog

Cool, now You've got a nice conversation piece for Your living room
table until the rest of the stuff shows up!
I just love getting new fine art for the house...

Steve
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:08:04 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: EFI on a '73 302

I remember the custom chip wars on fordnatics and Mike's calibrator.
That had to be over a year ago. His calibrator isn't available yet? I
wonder why?
If I was in the market for a custom chip he'd be the only one I'd go
to. He went out of his way for customer satisfaction. Someone once
posted it was worthless to buy a custom chip because it was a gamble if
the one you get will work the way you want it to. Mike replied not when
someone buys a chip from him. He didn't care how many chips it took to
get it right, his customers only paid for one. Business ethics like that
are hard to find now days. Just the idea that someone could program
instructions into a cube of dirt to do what they do, baffles the hell
out of me.

I wasn't referring to a chip that is premade. You can have you truck put
on a dyno and info fed on to a computer screen and they can change
whatever you want for your specific application. You could have to
identical trucks but the chip would work well for one and not the
other?! So this would be the best way to go. I don't want a chip for
just anyones truck I want one for MY truck.
Thanks
Chris
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 16:34:52 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chris Kelley

I saw Kens pics of your truck from Pigeon Forge and I was wondering
where you got your grille?
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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:02:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302

> From: "."
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 EFI on 73 302
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:12:23 -0400

> You told someone to use a carb with a bowl vent and "add a carbon
> canister to vent the fuel tanks " to gain the advantage of EFI AND
> better mileage and performance. Could you explain how you get
> better mileage by doing this?

I was refering to the fact that carbs, in spite of the other
advantages EFI has, still render better mileage and performance in
most cases but the fuel smell is objectionable to most of us so by
venting the carb bowls and tank we eliminate the only objection to
the carb :-)

It doesn't improve the carb's economy but allows you to use the carb
and thus gain the economy advantage over the EFI but without the
typical complaints about the smell :-)

I promised Jason on the bronco list I would refrain from adding to
the EFI/carb thread anymore so I'll do that on this list too after
this statement:

EFI has all the "potential" to easily replace the carb but untill the
OEM's "fix" the ego and jealousy problems between technicians and
managers etc. and test labs and politicians become more honest in
their data it will never happen. It's a shame really but I'm not in
that loop so as long as I can legally modify my old trucks and run
carbs or untill there is a truely efficient and adjustable
aftermarket kit available I will run a carb :-)

Mike Wesley has proven that it can be done now all we have to do is
wait for the big three to buy him out and bury his research so they
can go on with their nothing research and public hype, dragging their
feet and stepping on each other's toes so nothing gets done and when
they finally do get somewhere the EPA or Sierra club or women's lib
or the Gay community will find something wrong with it and legislate
it into inefficiency again..............:-(

That's it, I have no more to say and you can take it any way you like
but I've been watching the industry from the inside for 33 years and
don't expect to see any changes for the better, it's getting worse if
anything, sad to say :-(


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:38:26 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wide Ratio

> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:57:28 -0500
> From: Jim Craig
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wide Ratio

> We have had an extensive conversation in the past about wide-ratio
> C6's. Now I have a stupid question, but were they ever offered in
> production Fords?

Not sure when it started but 78 has them in trucks at least and
virtually all E4OD's also have this setup which can be used in the
C-6 interchangeably.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhausts
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:26:08 -0500

> I'm due for an exhaust system for my '79 351M. When I've asked at
> the parts house before all they could come up with is the stock
> system. Is the Walker system you're talking about stock diameter,
> (my stock exhaust is 2")? Does anyone make a larger diameter
> 2-into-1 or do you have to have one fabricated?

Mine was for a 460 swap so it's possible they don't have one
specifically for the 351M, not sure but I believe the manifolds exit
similarlly and the outlets are the same size so it may still work but
can't say for sure.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:31:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cargo lamp in a supercab

> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:48:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cargo lamp in a supercab

> I was at the junkyard today and came across what I think is a good
> find for my truck: a cargo light. My question is whether or not a
> cargo light was an option of ford supercabs. If it was, where did
> they mount the switch? I'm having trouble finding somewhere to put
> it; I want it to look stock. If anybody had any clues, drop me a
> line. Thanks.

My 67 standard cab ranger had one mounted on the back of the cab,
almost at the roof line and the switch was mounted in the dash on the
right side of the steering column near the ash tray and looked a lot
like a head light switch. I liked it so much I kept the whole thing
when I junked the truck. Some day I'll put it in something :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:59:40 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end question

> From: jniolon uss.com
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:17 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end question

> I've been looking for a limited slip 9" 28 spline chunk for a
> while and gathered a little information...just enough to
> confuse me
>
> Ive found one that has the stamping C6AW on the differential
> case (where the ring gear bolts on) and 9D30 somewhere on the

These numbers don't tell me anything, probably casting part numbers.
The real number is on a tag bolted to the outside of the housing if
it's still there.

> I see no clutches only gear clusters

If you have the third member out and can see the carrier the limited
slips have a clutch pac integral with one of the side gears which
connnects it to the inside of the "Carrier" which is the central part
the ring gear bolts to. There are a couple of slots in the carrier
you can look through to see this setup as I recall. An open diff
will have just two simple side gears which look the same and some
pinions connecting them.

The difference between the clutch type and gear type is that the
clutch is a flat cone shape with disks similar to a motorcycle clutch
which are activated by torque applied to the side gear through the
axle. The natural taper of the gear teeth act as cams to force the
side gear with it's integral cone surface against the clutch pak
which then contacts the carrier and effectively locks both axle
together through the carrier via the pinions which connect the two
side gears together.

The gear type has a jack shaft with gears on each end which interface
either with the side gears or the pinions and set a minimum gear
ratio interface between the two axles so that they can not rotate
more that that ratio different from each other. It's more positive
than the clutch type in that one wheel can never spin with out also
pulling the other with it at some ratio such as 2:1 up to 5:1 with a
Torsen, not sure what the True Trac ratio is. The jack shaft is the
weak link in these since the shaft has to withstand all the torque of
the drive shaft multiplied by what ever the ratio between the axles
is. This is considered to be the best all around traction device for
all applications except mud bogging and drag racing where a true
locker works best but is not as strong as an OEM clutch type with 4
pinions or a true locker such as the Detroit.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:32:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '72 Ranger

> From: "Jay Fleming"
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:11:07 +0000
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - '72 Ranger

> I'm new to the list and to the world of Ford pickups. I've just
> started reworking a '72 F-100 Ranger LWB. The original 360 is shot,
> so I'm trying to decide which way to go with a replacement. Reading
> some of the archives has indicated that a lot of you prefer the
> really big engines. I understand that for most highway driving that
> the fuel economy numbers are pretty comparable, but here's my

Here's the low down: FE's of any kind will bolt up as a direct
replacement with no changes except swaping a few external emissions
parts and accessories etc.. This includes the 330, 352, 360, 390,
406, 410, 427 and 428.

Clevelands are in the small block family and the 2v version is
roughly equivelant to the 351M but are not interchangeable. 351C,
351W, 302 and 300 I6 all share the same transmission mounts but have
different engine mounts and may require new drive shafts, radiator
and other parts due to location or temp requirments.

351M/400 and 429/460 share the same trannys but not engine mounts and
the 429 and 460 will probably require a larger radiator.

Pick your poison but If it were me, I'd try to find a junkyard FE
engine of some kind and bolt it in. If you just want to tinker and
spend a little cash you absolutely can't go wrong with the 460. It's
a very sweet engine and competes well in economy with all the 351 and
larger engines of any series when properly geared and set up.


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 20:54:46 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard flunkies

I went to the junkyard today to pick up a windshield I purchased
on Saturday. Its a "pick-n-pay" place but they insist on getting
glass themselves. When I paid, I specifically told them I wanted
the glass off the baby blue 72 F100. It was perfect. Today, I
get there and the windshield had a small amount (1" - 1.5") of fog
along the bottom. I was shocked, this glass came off another truck
and I told the flunky who got it (not the owner) that I didn't
think it was off the right truck (there are 9 67-72 F100s there
and the blue 72 was the only one with perfect glass). He said
it was and that the foggy area was covered by the rubber and
chrome.

I didn't believe him but I didn't want to argue. I was there
during lunch and didn't have much time so I gave him the benefit
of the doubt. Well, I get home, pull the chrome off my current
winshield and cut out a small piece of the cracked window rubber.
Guess what? The window only goes 1/4" into the rubber! This means
there's 3/4" - 1.25" of fog showing!

The puller was simply lazy. The truck with the perfect glass had
mud all around it and I guess he didn't want to get his shoes dirty.
The receipt I have says the window should be from the 72 Ford.

Guys/gals, I'm PO'd. This glass is worthless to me, I even told
the guy on Saturday that I wanted the glass from the blue 72 because
I was restoring mine. There was only one blue 72. I called an
hour before I picked it up and let them know I was coming. I
stated on the phone that it the glass from the blue 72. He said,
"yup, I remember". Foggy glass sticks out like a sore thumb,
especially if I show it - I can't use what they gave me.

Here's how I think I should handle it, but I need some input from
the group:

I'll go back tomorrow and go in the yard and check the blue 72 truck....

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