FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars

61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 316

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250
FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel
FTE 61-79 - motor mounts
FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing a FE
FTE 61-79 - clutch chatter
FTE 61-79 - non FTE
FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore Autolite
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 questions (semi long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
Re: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors
FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:14:03 -0400
From: am14

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford parts in GM cars

John strauss writes: >>However, I don't recall GM ever using any regular
production Ford parts - anybody?

Don't remember the exact year, but sometime around when the LeMans was 1st
introduced in the Pontiac line and it was a different trimmed out GTO body,
the Munce transmission plant burned and the standard 3 speed in both the
GTO and the LeMans was FOMOCO from the factory. If I'm not mistaken it was
'64/'65, but this is just an old mans recollection. The Saginaw power
steering units are used around the world, as are the saginaw rack &
pinions. I work for Chrysler and we use both of these widely. The cost is
the key here. We can buy them cheaper than we can make them.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Oil Drain Plug 68 F-250

>>> John Strauss wrote:
>>>> Who is the "genius" at Ford that decided where to put the oil drain
>>>> plug on my '68 F-250 w/360 FE? It's got a front sump to clear the
>>>> drag link, OK, but why not put the drain plug at the FRONT of the
>>>> sump? Where it is now, at the rear corner of the sump, is right
>>>> over the frame rail for the TIB. Oil runs all over the place and
>>>> makes a big mess. Plus the plug is not a joy to get a wrench on.
>>>> I love Fords, own 6 of 'em, but this kind of engineering snafu is
>>>> embarrasing for FoMoCo. Are all the FE trucks like this?

>A way around this is to take a piece of cardboard or posterboard about 18"
>long and 6" wide and fold it in half lengthwise to form a "V" channel for the
>oil to run down into the drain pan. Wedge it under the drain plug and leave a
>little above the plug to account for splashing, and place the other end over
>your drain pan. Getting the plug out is a little bit more awkward this way,
>but after a couple of times you figure out a way to make it all work, and no
>more oil splashing all over your frame rail and driveway.

Yep, I always change my air filter at the same time as the oil, so I
use a hunk of cardboard from the air filter box as a funnel, folded
into a "V" pretty much like You just described it...

Steve

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then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel

Gary Bowling writes: >>When I restored my truck I wanted to go back with
the original ford wheel. I purchased a repair kit from Eastwoods and
repaired it myself. The guys that saw my truck in Pigeon Forge can tell you
about the wheel. It will take a few ours of painstacking sanding but it is
well work it.

I saw this steering wheel on Sunday morning just prior to leaving to come
home. He did a superb job. It was nearly impossible to find a flaw. I
thought he had somehow found a new steering wheel. Looked great. I'd
highly recommend it.

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - motor mounts

Dan Koster Writes: >>you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61
390 (out of a car)
into a 1963 truck.

I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor
mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the
motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird).

Which is it?

If the '63 frame is the same width as the '65 (and I don't know if they are
or not), then you should
buy motor mounts for a '65 352. (That was the 1st year of the FE offering
in trucks I believe.) If all
else fails, take the motor mounts from the '61 Tbird off and take them down
to the local parts
store and see if they are the same as the ones for '65 with 352. Did your
'63 truck have a V8
or 6??? The stanchions are different I believe between the V8 and 6, so
you might have to
get the stanchions from a '65 or later also. I'll leave this to the guys
that have been there and
done that. I haven't.

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 replacing a FE

John Strauss writes: >>Finally, the question: What can I expect as far as
hassle factor to replace the FE with a 385 motor? I guess my only real
concern is the motor mounts. I already know the C6 will bolt up, the
exhaust is shot anyway, but will I need different frame mounts, different
motor mounts, or neither? Accessory brackets are only alternator and A/C
so I'll just try to get a
motor with that stuff already in place. Is there anything else I need to
be aware of when contemplating this?

1st off if you are contemplating bolting the C6 off the 360 to the 429/460
forget it. Both used C6's, but they have different cases. They are not
interchangeable between FE's and any other series. The guts are, but the
case will not bolt up. 2nd - getting an engine with all the accesories on
it is a good idea, but I've done it in 3 different trucks, and had to make
my brackets/mounts for the A/C and pwr steering in every case. The
steering box is in the way on the drivers side and it seems that something
on the passengers side interefered with the Alt location also. Can't
remember. Anyway I've done it to a '79 and two '77s. All with A/C and Pwr
steering. Its a pain with the cab on, but if you pull the cab(at least the
front clip) it is much easier. L & L is the only mfg of motor mounts for
this application that I am aware of and they get roughly $100 set for them.
They also make brackets for mounting all the accessories, but they are also
pricy. I'm very pleased with the performances of all mine after the
conversion, but it is a pain in the butt.
For every day use I prefer the '72 and later because they are low
compression. The earlier versions are more powerful, but they require
premium fuel.

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - clutch chatter

Ron writes: >> Is your clutch pressure plate new as well as the
disc? Even a very slight oil leak will keep the chatter problem returning
over and over again. All of the area around the inside of the bell housing
has to be cleaned of everything. Dust, oil and etc. Do you have your
cover on the pivot arm? Stuff from the road will get in through there and
do it to ya again. Some folks drill a hole for the relubrication of the
release bearing and do not reseal it (seal it up too). There is a pilot
bushing or bearing in the flywheel for the transmission mainshaft, replace
it too. It
will cause the disc to jump around severely. Trans may dribble a little
oil too. Make sure its mainshaft bearing is a solid fit to prevent the
mainshaft from bouncing the seal lip and leaking. There's more but I
better stop for now.

Nothing I own is new. I know all these things and I've tried all the
tricks - New clutch disc, resurfaced flywheel, new pilotshaft bearing
(actually on FE it's a bushing) and new clutch release bearing(throwout
bearing). No oil anywhere in the bellhousing. After a few thousand miles
the darn thing chatters. I've just learned to live with it. I'm too old
to care anymore.

You need to get together with Ted over around Wallace. With a nickname of
NC ridgerunner, and he being from Chinquapin, you probably have a lot in
common. By the way!!! Do any of you know what a Chinquapin is???? I do.
If you don't, ask some old farmer.

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - non FTE

J GRANT WRITES: >> does anyone know the worst thing a georgia redneck
hates to see?

Would that be a Yankee headed South pulling a U-Haul???????/

No offense folks - Just had to respond!!

Azie
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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore Autolite

OK Guys - Here is the info I promised the list on my Autolite Spreadbore -
or at least all of it I can get.

1st off - It's a Motorcraft and thats all the #ing or data I can find on it
anywhere. The FOMOCO tag that should be under one of the screws that holds
the floatbown on is long gone - removed by some previous owner. I have no
idea what # it is. (One of the square bores I have is a 4300, so I guess
both of them are as they look identical.) The primaries are 1.435" and the
secondaries are 1.955". Keep in mind this is measured with vernier
calipers, so some margin of error is expected. The North/South distance
between mounting holes is 5.625" and the East/West distance is 5.135". I
think this was off a '78 Lincoln, but I've got 4 different 460's now and
have had at least 3 others, so I could easily be wrong about this.

Thats all for now. If anyone else wants more info, just let me know.

Azie
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:35:36 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

Hey I know how about a list titled "The other Bronco-the forgotten years
- -78-96"
Aftermarket supply & goodies companies seem to think that Ford didn't build
Bronco's from 78-96. Everybody that "specializes" in broncos ignore the
78-96 models like they are the plage, then they have the balls to include
the bronco 2!!!

Gary, 78 BBB wrote: WRONG! We just join all the lists :-) I'm on two
right now and it's

> just about right info wise :-) Personally I think we should have
> 78/79 list including the broncos and then everyone else will have to
> join our list it get any info :-)

I didn't mean to get off on a rant but I feel very strongly about this
issue and don't understand the lack of aknoledgement for the real
Bronco.Iin my life I've owned 72,78,81,85 Bronco's and have to say that
there is no way I would buy a pre 78 again (get on the gas climbing a rough
hill in a pre 78 and you will understand why)...

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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:42:18 -0400
From: Mark Goods
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 questions (semi long)

Hi Gang,

I would like some help in what steps I need to take to achieve the goals I
would like for my 68 F100.

Some background info. I bought the truck 3 years ago from a guy. He told me
that it has a 351C 4V engine in it that he got out of a 73 Grand Torino.
The engine has a 4barrel carb on it, without a choke. (no air flow
adjustments). He also swithed the steering column in the truck but, I don't
know from what. The wires have been spliced together and when I first got
the truck, some smoke would come from under the dash. I have not had that
happen it 2 years now. The exhaust system has rusted all the way to the
exhaust manifold, so I get exhaust fumes in the cab. Also. If I fill the
tank with gas, I get gas fumes inside the cab as well. The truck has power
brakes but, they don't seem to stop like I like them to. (shoes all
around). The steering is power also and has alot of play in it.

Here is what I want from the truck:
1. I would like to be able to drive the truck daily.
2. I would like better mpg.
3. I would like to be able to tow small loads with out it being a problem.

Here is a list of questions I would like some help with:

1. The truck gets about 8 mpg. What can I do to increase my mileage?
2. What carb should I get?
3. How should I handle the wiring on this truck?
4. What can be done about the play in the steering?
5. What should be done abou the brakes?
6. Any suggestions on the engine. (should I keep, rebuild it, swap it
etc...)

I would also like to say that I am aware that some money is going to have
to be spent but, I am limted in the amount of funds I can use on a monthly
basis for this "hobby". I don't have a fortune to spend on fixing this
truck but I REALLY don't have the money to buy a new one. So if I could
spend a little at a time for things here and there that would go over
better with my wife.

I know this is long but, I really would like to keep this truck a make it
work for me. Please give suggestions and tips on how to reach my goals with
this truck. Thanks in advance.

P.S. - the body is in okay shape. The left fender, light housing and grill
need to be replaced but overall it's in good shape.

Mark

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:42 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet - ford incantations

*ROFLMAO!!!*
Gotta love FTE. Where else can you get expert advice from people who have
actually done what they are giving the advice on and have a laugh doing it.

My hat is off to Ken ( the GOD of FORDNESS ) for giving us a home that
understands our unique dimension.

Sleddog wrote: oh holy gods of FTE

> bring solice, peace and fixed engines
> to out ford brethren and all of henry's marvels.
> bring wins to our racers and 200,000 miles to our daily drivers.
> fix what ails this truck and you shall be rewarded by this sacrifcing of a
> chevy 350 and a burning of the bowties.
>
> (note: the burning of the bowties is dangerous and just singing a clipon
> should be satisfactory)
>
> I'm ready to try all
> suggestions including incantations and holy water.
>
> Ben Williams

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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

>> I think we should have a '71 F100 2WD flairside w/FE390 list!
>> If we split up the lists enough then everyone can have their own
>> list and then no one will learn anything from each other...

>WRONG! We just join all the lists :-) I'm on two right now and it's
>just about right info wise :-) Personally I think we should have
>78/79 list including the broncos and then everyone else will have to
>join our list it get any info :-)

Yeah, I'm on 2 FTE lists and 4 non-FTE lists right now. That's
about enough for me for awhile...
The problem I see with too much list-splitting is that each list
ends up with a smaller "information pool" than with one larger list.
If someone on the 61-79 list asks a question, maybe someone on
on the pre-61 list or Ranchero list has the right answer, but isn't
gonna see the question because he/she doesn't subscribe to the 61-79 list.
Just because someone isn't on "your" list doesn't mean they don't
have an answer to Your question, and too many lists just makes it
harder for the "question" and the "answer" to get hooked up.
There *is* strength in numbers, it greatly increases the knowledge
base we all benefit from.

How many models and years of trucks has Ford produced?
Is each and every one going to have it's own list eventually?

I'm not saying the rancheroo guys don't deserve their own list,
nor would I prevent them from having one even if it were in my
power, but I hate to see the knowledge base get split up too much...

Steve

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> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:13:10 -0700
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors

> I just built a "virtual motor" for my webpage and Deacon helped me
> get it "tuned up" and running... If You're curious what Your V-8
> looks like inside when it's running then check it out at:

I'm disappointed Steve :-( I thought it was going to be animated :-(
I mean I've been watching all these virtual reality movies and just
thought...............

You'd still be trying to figure it out on Auto Cad 14..........:-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:13:10 -0700
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - virtual motors

> I just built a "virtual motor" for my webpage and Deacon helped me
> get it "tuned up" and running... If You're curious what Your V-8
> looks like inside when it's running then check it out at:

My mistake, it is animated. Didn't wait long enough for all the junk
to load I guess. Pretty cool Steve :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:15:41 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vapor lock definition

>Would any of ya'll care to explain vapor lock in non-technical terms? My
'67,
>after being on interstate at 70 mph and then taking off from red lite it
>hesitates, but it only does it after its ran hard, if it has a chance to cool
>down then it runs fine. could this be vapor lock? thanks in advance
>
All it means is air is trapped in your fuel line and the fuel pump cannot
push it thru so it stops up the line. This almost always occurs in a metal
fuel line between the carb and pump and is usually with a mechanical pump.
Heat from the engine is absorbed by the metal line which causes the fuel to
literally boil in the line which causes it to be converted to a gas which
is expanding due to the heat. The mechanical pump cannot overcome this
pressure and force the air into the carb bowl so the line is effectively
blocked.

Remedies include going to an electrical fuel pump which usually can manage
sufficient oomph to push the blockage into the carb bowl, where it exits
via the bowl vent. Another thing to do is replace the metal line with a
rubber one or putting a wooden clothes pin on the fuel line. Don't ask me
how this last one works but for sure it does.....

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