61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 314



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics
Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 front disks anyone???
FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet
Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?
FTE 61-79 - Cold miss
FTE 61-79 - Seats
FTE 61-79 - Oil problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics
FTE 61-79 - Bonding
FTE 61-79 - Thermostats
FTE 61-79 - Tires
FTE 61-79 - 63 FE?

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:49:24 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks

ford loving redneck and proud of it.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:51:47 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Was Rednecks now Cool Geezers

does anyone know the worst thing a georgia redneck hates to see?
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:06:01 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics

you will be better off going to a 302 or 351w or c,they use the same
bellhousing as
your 6 cylinder and in some cases the flywheel and clutch can be
used,depending on balance,also smaal block parts(frame mounts,motor
mounts,brackets are
obtainable from junk yards,
leave the fe's for the older vehicles:a 5.0 roller motor out of a gt
mustang
with low miles can be bought for a couple of hundred bucks and i have seen
these
engines go 200,000 miles.
of course big block power is nice,then i would recommend a 460,parts are
still
available from f250,f350 trucks and e350 vans (rear sump oil pan required for
4x4)
390 is a good engine also,but they're getting harder to find and just about
every
thing will have to be fabricated to put it in a 1985 vehicle.
just some food for thought.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:11:00 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

the 360 and 429-460 do not have the same transmission pattern.i have a 429
police interceptor for sale,but i'm in georgia,where are you located?
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:12:02 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

oh yea,i have a c6 to go with that 429pi
jeff grant
770-229-4877
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:25:03 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 front disks anyone???

Kevin Leone wrote:

> Does anyone know of a set of front disks that can be adapted to fit a 63
> 2wd? It has the stock front axle, and I'd also like to know if anyone
> has ever put power brakes from a different year truck on one of these
> early 60's trucks with stock front axle? PLEASE HELP!!
>
> Kevin Leone
> 63 F-100 stakebed
> Y-blocks rule! : )
>

As for the disks I can't help but the power booster it is a simple swap. I
used a booster from a 65. The earlier boosters are smaller around that the
later models, but any booster up until 79 should work. This is also a good
time to upgrade the master cylinder if you want. The big difference is in
the way that the master cylinder/ booster is mounted to the cab. On the 63
( up through 64 is the same) the MC is mounted to a steel plate that is
then mounted to the firewall. In 65 when Ford changed the frame and cab
interior( floor) they also changed the firewall and reinforced the area
where the MC/ Booster mounts. So instead of mounting the booster to the
firewall in your 63 you take the plate that originally mounted the MC and
mount it to that. The 2 bottom holes on the booster mounts go to the studs
that were used for the master cylinder. The booster mount has 4 bolt holes
but the plate only has 2 so you will either have to live with only two or
drill counter sunk holes for the top two studs.

they are not really studs, more like counter sunk bolts with a standard
screwdriver head.

When the booster is mounted to the plate you then attach the plate to the
firewall just like it came off. While you are in there take a look just to
the drivers side of brake hole on the fire wall. There is a little
leftover from the 57-60 cabs.

You will need to adjust the push rod between the booster and MC so that it
is the right length.

The biggest problem is getting the booster and plate back on the firewall.
Someone needs to hold the bolts on the inside of the cab while the other
tightens the nuts in the engine bay, or vise versa.

Your old mayonnaise jar will bolt to the booster just fine, but an upgrade
to disks will require you to get the correct master cylinder.

The booster is one of the best upgrade I have done to my truck. Bracing
your self against the back of the cab gets old after a while.

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63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:28:06 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lurker comes out of the closet

Hi gang,

You probably don't remember me, but I feel like I know many of you. I've been
mostly lurking for about six months (on and off) waiting until I had time to
actually start working on my always reliable and consequently neglected '78
F-250 4x4. I've had it for 8 years and for a variety of reasons have not
driven it much in the last 3 years. My truck lived in Maine for 17 years
(rust, what rust?) and sports at least 4 colors of rattle-can brown on the
cab. The bed is some kind of nasty Imron green wrapped around '87 sheetmetal.
It qualifies as ugly but it gets the job done.

I'm having trouble diagnosing an engine problem that I've had for about 3
years now. Yes, it is embarrassing but I've been busy raising babies and
don't use it much. It idles rough and shudders at low rpm, especially with a
load. If I punch the accelerator or get the rpm's up it quits - until the
next upshift. When I first noticed the problem (3 years ago) I fed it new
plugs, wires, rotor, cap, and rebuilt the carb all to no avail.

Last week I started over with new cap and rotor. I discoverd that the #1 and
#4 cylinders are getting spark but don't seem to be firing. I tested
resistance on all of the plug wires and wiring between battery and ignition
module. I'm beginning to think there may be a carb problem too. I didn't
feel like the carb rebuild kit was very inclusive and it seems like I'm
getting no response from the adjustment screws. In the next few days I will
do an intermediate band adjustment just to rule it out and 'cause I've never
done one. I'll re-check u-joints too, just to rule them out.

If it seems like I'm grasping at straws it's 'cause I am. I've had 3 years to
think about this and I'm just as stumped as I ever was. I'm ready to try all
suggestions including incantations and holy water.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4x4, 351M, C6, NP205
'71 Wagoneer 360, TH400, D20
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:57:44 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Possible engine swap FE -> 385

I have done this swap many times..I use frame and motor mounts from a 77 f-250
with a factory 460 this is still avail. from dealer and keep all parts easy to
replace..also you can use the headers from the same year if you want them.you
need to replace the case on the trans to the 460 style not to hard to do if
you think you cant do it take it to a trans shop and they can do it for
you...hope this helps
Gordon


1991 F-350 4x4 Super cab Dually Blown 460,E4OD
1972 F-250 Crew cab..soon to be 4x4 428 cj, C-6
1987 F-350 Reg.cab Dually 460,C-6
1970 F-100 Short bed 512,C-6
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:48:06 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ranchero list?

How about a 4x4 list

Ken Payne wrote:

> Anyone here think a Ranchero list would be a good idea? Let me know,
> Ken Payne
> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> http://www.ford-trucks.com

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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:56:52 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold miss

I have a 1978 F-150 with a 351 M. It seems that I have a miss when the
motor is cold but when it is warm it is fine. The temp here is about 60 -
80 so it isn't like it is really cold out. I was just looking for any
suggestions on how to fix it.
Thanks

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:04:14 -0700
From: "J.Scott Harkema"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seats

For what it's worth I took a 84 F 350 seat
bolted my 76 F250 track to it & bolted it in.
Unbelievable! New seat & didn't even have
to drill one hole.(Got the seat for free too)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 03:08:08 -0500
From: "Bear"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil problem

I have a 1978 F-150 with a 351 M and a C6 transmission. When I first start
the motor I can here a ticking noise for about three seconds. It sounds
like a low oil tick. I was wondering if that is normal for a motor that has
been shut off for only a couple of hours. The motor is a rebuild and has
70,000 miles on it.
Thanks

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:10:05 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Straying topics

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> of course big block power is nice,then i would recommend a 460,parts are
> still
> available from f250,f350 trucks and e350 vans (rear sump oil pan required for
> 4x4)

This truck is getting ready for a total rebuild (4" lift, locker diffs, 32 spline
axles 3.73 gears, 33" tires) and will need the versatility offered by a 390, a 302
or 351 would work if I didn't need to have the power to motor over anything that
gets in my way (this truck gets used for search & rescue) , I need the extra oomph
for dragging a six sled trailer to and from the tops of the variousmountain passes
around my community. As far as the 460 goes: I don't need that much engine...

> 390 is a good engine also,but they're getting harder to find and just about
> every
> thing will have to be fabricated to put it in a 1985 vehicle.
> just some food for thought.

The only thing that needs to be fabricated is the motor mounts, a bell housing
from a 390 wi a 4spd
will bolt right to my tranny, I have the rear sump pan... I just don't feel like
screwing around with
building my own mounts if I can buy them prefab..

p.s. I would rather put this particular 390 in my 58, but the 58 doesn't need any
more power (for now) and the Bronco is in dire need of an engine (the IL6 is on
it's last miles) and if I'm gonna put 1 in It's gonna be 1 I'll be happy with...

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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:38:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bonding

>Me too. You get used to it, John, really you do. You find the perfect
>wrench, the
>optimum angle of approach, and the biggest drain pan that's sold at the
>parts house.

>You and your truck are bonding!!

Is that what you call it? I reserve that term for timing chain or valve
jobs. Especially on an FE. Oil changes have no definition, but I guarantee
SWMBO has one, and it ain't got a thing to do with love.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:38:00 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thermostats

> I heartily agree that 160 is much to cold for good performance or
> economy and also accelerates engine wear. There's a reason that most
> OEM's are currently using thermos in the 185+ range!
> Higher coolant temps promote better efficiency and lower engine wear IF
> You can keep the coolant from boiling and IF You can keep the oil temps
> from getting to high...
> I run a 195 thermo in my FE390 with a good stock radiator and electric fans
> and it never overheats even under prolonged idling on the nastiest hot days.

I have always run a 195 in everything I own, but on the older stuff with a
big stand up radiator and no recovery I run a 7-9 lb cap.(this is what I run
on mine) With a crossflow an 11-13 seems to work well.(I ran this on my '67)
I'm talking about older, meaning well used. With a new radiator and heater
core a 14-16 is about as high as I think you need in my
climate,(mid-nineties in summer occasional 100's and very muggy) in the SW
(hot and dry) you might need to go higher.

So far I've not added any cooolant, and we've had three weeks in the low
nineties. It's a pretty rangy looking radiator, I plan to redo it someday
but it's not leaking with this light cap. I'm sure it will puke a little if
I shut it off before the thermostat opens, but so far it hasn't given any
trouble at all.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:38:03 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tires

>I had a set of radial snow tires back in the 70's that probably were
>flipped side to side; both of failed the same way- the sidewalls split
>catastrophically.

Back in '84 I had a '75 C**vy Monza with a small block and 4-speed in it. My
second child was due to come into the world any day. I needed tires badly so
I bought some used ones that looked good. The mounter said that all that
about rotation was B.S and just don't worry about it. The next day I was
going up the road to pick up a part for my '67 at the boneyard. It was
raining lightly. Just as I was shifting into 4th at about 50 mph the left
front blew. The whole world went crazy for a minute, no control whatsoever.
I ended up off the left side of the road in a ditch with a broken sub-frame
and lower control arm. But I consider myself very fortunate. My daughter was
born the next day, and I thank God that that tire blew when it did, and not
when I was going to the hospital 10 miles away at a 80 mph that I'd have
been going. DON"T F**K AROUND WITH CRUMMY OLD TIRES! I would have died if
they had suffered because of my stupidity.


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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:37:57 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 63 FE?

>
>Guys,
>
>you've got me all in a twist now. I'm putting a 61 390 (out of a car)
>into a 1963 truck.
>
>I've had two opinions on this so far. One says to buy the V8 motor
>mounts for the year of the truck (was 272). The other says to buy the
>motor mounts that fit the engine (out of a 61 thunderbird).

The FE was used from '65 on, and the whole suspension changed, the mounts
are very different from the early ones with the exception of the F250 4X4's
in '65 and '66. I've not seen the '67 up 4X's or any F100 4X's so I can't
speak of them with any confidence. These mounts are similar in type to your
292 mounts, so they ought to work. You have a front mount and two side
mounts, one on each side of your bellhousing. I don't know about the front
mounting bracket whether they changed or not. You could cross reference the
numbers in a Hollander manual to see what changed when they switched to the
FE in the '65 4X4 and go from there. IMHO I'd say that with the '65-'66 F250
4X4 mounts and front bracket you should be home free if you can find them.
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