61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 310



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Suggestion on California Get Together
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!
FTE 61-79 - Steering Columns
FTE 61-79 - RE 73 steering wheel etc
FTE 61-79 - 79 F-250 4x4 w/6 cyl??
FTE 61-79 - Springs and engine swaps
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!
FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350
FTE 61-79 - hanger bearing and rednecks
FTE 61-79 - RE 73 steering wheel etc
FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks
FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap
FTE 61-79 - Carbs
FTE 61-79 - Brake light update

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:07:39 -0500
From: "Dean & Liz Becker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Suggestion on California Get Together

To the Person who is organizing the CA get together, Mary Miller? Praire
City is just south of Sacramento. There is much open space.
This is just a suggestion.
Also the Sierra Four Wheel Drive Club might have some ideas for such a note
worthy gathering.
I would love to help out but as it is I will be moving to CA in July.

Dean Biloxi, MS 78 Bronco

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:02:01, -0500
From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

Did I ever tell you about the time I
wanted to save money so I just had one side (of each) of a set of
rotors turned............? That was really fun too.........:-)
I have a mental picture of extreme right or left turns while braking.
Please illuminate while we ruminate. Mike.

____
Mike.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:11:35 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!

Sleddog wrote:

> when used with the "derogatory" meanings of redneck, if you pull up in a
> old ford with mud all over it and a loud exhaust with beer cans rattling
> in the back smoking a cigarette and dirty jeans - in pa you are a redneck.

How do you know what I look like? Have we met??

> or is that a cutterman? unfortunatly, whatever the original and correct
> meaning of redneck, it is now used mostly as a putdown, or a very
> descriptive word of stereotypical people.

Wrong answer. Redneck was originaly a derogatory statement, but in the past
few years people have realized that it is actually something to be proud of.

I'm proud of my "red neck" I earned it through many years of working outside
helping to build
our country... I for 1 consider the label "Redneck" as a badge of honor, and
wear it proudly...
Remember My kind built the roof over your heads and grow/raise the food you
eat...


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85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:13:38 -0500
From: Jim Craig
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Columns

I want to change the steering column in my '77. Any ideas on an easy, more
modern, retrofit? No need for AT handle, CC, or tilt.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:34:11 -0700
From: Tom&Carol Hogan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE 73 steering wheel etc

fjm,
all steering wheels before about 77 will be cracked. They are one piece
construction with resin around steel. When the wheel get hot the steel
expands faster than the resin and CRACK!! I do have an extra one in the
back of my truck. I'll check its condition tonight. Alternatively
someone on the list had an article from a magazine about reparing this
kind of wheel. If your local dealer has a new one you may want to save
up and snag it. When I was looking the wheels were discontinued but the
horn buttons were still available. Wanted close to $200 for them. 77
and later wheels were of a two piece design that prevented cracking.
Unfortunately they have a different hub and don't retrofit.

Good Luck
Tom H



Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:35:19 -0700
From: fjm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73 steering wheel etc

Hi, I just resubbed after about 6 months of enforced absence. I have a
1973 F-100 240 6. Sometime last year the subject of door panels came up

and a source in Tennessee (I think that's where) was mentioned. Anyone
remeber where that was? Anyhow I need a new steering wheel or at least
a good used one. Any source ideas? Our local dealer stocks them but
$190 is a bit more than I'd budgeted. Junkyard ones are all like mine,
craked from the heat.

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:50:09 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-250 4x4 w/6 cyl??

I recently parted out a 1979 F-250 4x4 with a 300CID straight cylinder. If I
remember correctly, someone needed the frame mounts?? If anyone needs them I
have a pair. I am located in New Jersey and will ship to you by UPS. I do
not have the actual engine mounts...just the frame stands. Thanks!!!! Wayne
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:58:33 -0700
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs and engine swaps

Thanks to John Strauss and all for the spring discussion, when I put the 390
in my '67 the front end kind of went down a bit but I never caught on. The
handling is pretty good but it kind of wallows on turns and I now realize I
should have grabbed the springs when I took the motor.

Donor truck is long gone now, what is best source of the springs I need?
Junkyard, or are they available new at a reasonable price? Where, and how
do I specify what I need? Are there part numbers, or just get "springs for
a 390 engine"??

TIA,

Jim



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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:08:02 EDT
From: GMPACHECO
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

WA sounds great to me !!! Even Vancouver !!


Mike in Seattle

Of course I'm a little Bias.. with my location and all..
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:12:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

At 08:31 AM 26/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 06:52 AM 5/26/98 -0700, Dennis Pearson. Your
>message was:
>> >>How about Vancouver?????
>>>
>>>(actually even Vancouver WA would be very fine)
>>>
>>>marko 8^]
>>>
>>
>>Vancouver, WA would be very fine
>>
>>Dennis in Kennewick, WA
>>
>On second thought, how about Fall City, Wa the weekend of June 21, Fall


I'd go for the Fall City locale, I work in Preston....
For those not familiar with the former logging towns of the
great northwet, you cant get to Fall City easily except
through Preston.
I dont think they would like a couple-o-hundred FTE's
ripping up they're town anyway!!!

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:39:13 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 windsor with holley carb

i ran a 850 double pumper on a 351 windsor,with similar mods,it ran excellent.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:49:04 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling

The cold will do funny things, I had a windshield crack when I tried to
wash the slush off with the w/s washer. Nice hot defroster goin' full blast
on the inside, nice shot o'cold washer fluid on the outside...CRAAAACK!
Lord I loved them Michigan winters!!

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> From: Ken Payne
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cooling
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 1:55 PM
>
> I had a 352 crack a head because of this. The fluid in the radiator
> froze (my fault, fluid was old). When the thermostat opened, the hose
> was blocked by ice/slush. When the ice finally "let go", the freezing
> cold water/ice immediately hit the hot block and the rest is history.
>

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:00:15 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Redneck & proud of it!

amen
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:13:59 -0400
From: "."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - DISC BRAKE CONVERSION F350

Gentlemen:

I have a 1969 F350 PU in the process of "updating ?"
wanting to convert to front discs.

Does anyone know if SPINDLES from a F-250 dually with front discs are the same spindles that would fit a F-350 ?

If they are different, does anyone have 350 spindles or the other usual parts needed?..or the skill of having done this ?

Contact JR

jerryrepka unidial.com

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:16:04 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hanger bearing and rednecks

Thanks for all the tips on the hanger bearing problems.A common
consensus seems to be the shafts might be out of line.I will start there
and let you know how it works out.
As far as the redneck debate,seems it has become international cause a
few of my co-horts and I here on Vancouver Island,have been labeled with
it.We get it for the love of old trucks(must be a Ford)and a care free
attitude.Don't see anything bad about that!We don't say y'all.We use
gid-day EH! Rednecks of the world unite!
Marko maybe we should gather some Canadian Ford and Merc nuts and meet
up with our American cousins and hold a FTE party at the Peace Arch.We
could party in two countries at once.Just a thought.
Jake in B.C.
65 f250 camper special(flat black and still going)
351c
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:56:20 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE 73 steering wheel etc

77 and later wheels were of a two piece design that prevented cracking.
Unfortunately they have a different hub and don't retrofit.
Good Luck
Tom H

This maybe true but the later model steering columns can be installed in
the 73 to 77 trucks. If you have an automatic you will need to fabricate
backup lights and the neutral safety start switch. The 73 to 77 trucks
have the switch mounted in the steering column and the 78 and 79 truck have
the switch mounted to the automatic transmission. It is possible to modify
the 78 to 79 columns to accept the earlier style steering column mounted
switch. This probably sounds confusing but it is really pretty simple when
you look at it.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET
Short Block Completed...Heads Sitting on the work bench!


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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:54 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Raidnaiks

> My apologies to those I've offended by using the term "Redneck" in a
>negative way. When I was defending my Confederate pride, I thoughtlessly
>miss-used the good name in describing a racist. I would hope that I made
>it clear how I feel aside from my mistake. I get defensive concerning
>the display of the Confederate flag and being miss-judged by others as
>an ignorant self-righteous bigot. In my haste however, I mocked the very
>thing I was defending. In California the name is miss-used all too often
>but that's no excuse, I knew better. Your right Azie and should proud of
>being a Redneck. It wasn't my intent to belittle our American Farmer and
>Grassroot Americans. Please excuse my piss poor judgment and understand,
>I meant no harm.


Ok Deacon, hand me that bucket of crow over here (damn, you ate all the
white meat again? Thank goodness it ain't possum)

I'm as guilty as the next guy, using the term to describe ignorance,
slovenliness and lack of pride in one's surroundings and workmanship, and
I've used it this way on this list.

Being from the Ozarks and now living in southeastern Missouri, I am teased
about being a "hillbilly". I, like my friends further south, am proud of my
heritage too and get a little "techy" about someone using "fightin' words".

The term "Redneck" has been used historically as a slur to denote
unsophistication. Urban dwellers felt their jobs being threatened by the
influx of "southruns", "sodbusters", "newfunds" what ever they are in your
geographical region, who had fallen on hard times. The largest and most
ostrasized of all these were the "southruns" who bore the animosity of
having been in societal rebellion as well. And they should have felt
threatened since these people in general were proud, hard working agrarian
people who wanted a hand up, not a hand out and could work hard and cheap.
There were only so many jobs to go around. The urban veiw had more of a
cut-throat, build connections kind of attitude, and still does. The
urbanites' sophistication, and the migrants' lack of it gave rise to the
term in it's most derogatory sense, i.e., stupid, poor, and slovenly.
"Okies" were derided in much the same way later on during the "Dust Bowl"
times. Conflicts arose in these close urban quarters and thus we still have
a derogatory connotation of the word, descriptive of the image that many
have and still hold to this day. It's funny but most people don't realize
the roots of the term even vaguely when they use it. I do, and should know
better. That's why I'm sorry. I hope there's no hard feelings, and I won't
do it again.

Hey, Deacon this stuff ain't too bad with a little salt....little greasy,
but you can get used to it....

And now back to FTE....
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:21:10 -0500
From: "Brian Forbes"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re; F100 Overheating and Seat Swap

Hi Guys and Gals,

F100 Overheating;
I had the same problem with my 66 F100. I had a 240 and a worn out
radiator. Things got even worse when I swapped a 302 into my baby. It got
so bad that the radiator would overheat if the truck was standing still. I
had to carry a 5 gal. jug of water with me everywhere I went. I finally had
enough when the truck was overheating in the parade at the Super Nats a
couple of years ago. Someone driving beside me even mentioned it was
overheating. You dont know how humililiated I felt at that moment.

When I made it back home I decided to find a radiator that would keep it
cool no matter what. We finally got ahold of a heavy duty radiator that fit
a 66 F250. It was a radiator that was used for towing and such, tow package
I believe. The only difference was that the piece of sheet metal on the
drivers side of the radiator had to be removed.

I've got a 160 thermostat and the radiator never gets above that.

Seat Swap;
I replaced my bench seat with a set of buckets from a Fiero. I know this
isn't a FoMoCo part but I wanted the little speakers behind my head. On my
66, two of the bolt holes lined up with each of the seats. I then had to
drill the holes for the two bolts on the outsides of the seats. I also had
to use two 3 inch spacers on the outsides of each of the seats to get them
level. They also touch the back glass, but I didn't lose any leg room.

Just my $.02
Later
Brian Forbes

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:27:20 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carbs

>Someone said he would never put a Rochester on his ford but in fact
>they were used on a few back around 68. I believe it was the CJ or
>whatever in the Tbird but not sure exactly which one it was so that
>makes it legal for ford use IMNSHO :-)

I think it was in '71 on the 429. My beliefs on carburation are simple. Like
clothes, it has to fit my needs. Brand names don't mean a thing. IMHO the
Q-Jet on an FE is the difference between "what a gas-guzzler" and "that's
pretty ggod for a 5000 lb truck". My seat of the pants power evaluation is
that in the job I ask of my truck there is nothing short of injection that
compares. If I were competing in truck pulls I'd run the biggest
double-pumper that wouldn't foul the plugs between rounds. Two entirely
different jobs. The second choice is the AFB or it's clones, for everyday
work, the Holley double-pumper is still king in competition, and probably
always will be.
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:38:09 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake light update

Well it seems that my brake light is staying on because of the
portioning valve. I disconnected the wire and the light went out. So
obviously the wire is shorted to ground somewhere else. Question: Can a....


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