61-79-list-digest Monday, May 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 306



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve
FTE 61-79 - yet ANOTHER VIN question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo-ed V8s
RE: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds
FTE 61-79 - Re:Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo-ed V8s
Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering
FTE 61-79 - OT A place to check out in Stockton
RE: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...
FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - '62 Ford Pickup
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around
FTE 61-79 - What is it called?
Re: FTE 61-79 - silliness..
Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 07:25:46 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve

The secondary air valve on mine is lacking the vacuam break that it's
supposed to have. You can adjust the spring pressure to make it take
more to pull it open, but when you get it to where it doesn't spit when
you slam it down, it will be flat. What the vacuam break does is crack
the air valve on acceleratiom and effectively both give it a little fuel
to keep it from bogging and slow down the sudden opening of the valve
keeping it from dumping fuel.(spitting) I plan to put one on next time
it comes apart, but until then I'll have to time my foot to the load
conditions.


> Can you adjust the accelerator pump to actuate less? I've been thinking
> about the acceleration problem your having and besides the spring it
> could be getting to much gas squirting in the secondary. Just a thought!
> :)

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:42:28 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - yet ANOTHER VIN question

- -Can someone tell me what all these numbers mean? It's off the tag on
- -firewall:
- - 295 F25BMDH5403 16
- - 46 33 4BR 20K 7
- -
- -I know the F25BMDH5403 is the VIN but what's the rest of it trying to
- -say? Also, there is a VIN on the driver's door post and the one above
- -thats on the firewall. Are there any more tags on the truck somewhere?
- -Thanks! Jack P.
- -
- -76 F250 360 C6
- -90 E150 300 C6
- -95 F350 7.3L Powerstroke 4wd Crewcab
- -and also 67 VW Bug
- - 61 VW Singlecab Bus (hey- VW's are cool
too!!!)
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 05:59:01 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo-ed V8s

>There are a lot of ideas running through my head. One is to find a
>defunct/blown up International DT466 or Detroit 8.2L diesel and rob the
>turbo from it. Would this possibly give me the performance I desire?
>
>Can anyone point me where I could find more information, particularly
>about sizing and wastegate settings?

"Turbochargers" by Hugh Macinnes, and "Street Supercharging" by Pat Ganahl
would be a good start.
They should both be available at Your local speed shop.
I'd like to use a pair of turbos from T-bird turbo coupes or equivalant on
the FE390. I found one at the wreckers for $45, now I'm waiting for a second
one to show up...


Steve

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and asking questions, always new questions,
then it is time to die." -- Lillian Smith

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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:57:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds

no problem glad it worked out for you.

sleddog

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - transmission woes and beds

Thanks sleddog for the info on the transmission. Fixed it this morning.

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:39:30 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Questions

Thanks Steve.

> >Questions. Does the Performer 390 have an exhaust cross passage under the
> >carb?
>
> Yes, it does.
>
> Steve

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turbo-ed V8s

At 12:12 AM 24/5/98 -0700, you wrote:

>There are a lot of ideas running through my head. One is to find a
>defunct/blown up International DT466 or Detroit 8.2L diesel and rob the
>turbo from it. Would this possibly give me the performance I desire?
>
>Can anyone point me where I could find more information, particularly
>about sizing and wastegate settings?
>

I could be mistaken, but I dont believe the DT466's have waste gates.
I maintain two of them at where I work, and dont recall seeing any.

They do sound very cool at 2500rpm, even cooler at 2750...
I think it would be possible to install the turbo, but plumbing in the
3" exhaust from the turbo and out of the engine bay might be a bit
problematic.

I can check the manuals this afternoon, and have a "factual"
answer to my claim of no wastegates......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:13:34 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> At 02:27 PM 5/23/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Pigeon Forge is just too far for me, a west coast event would be great. LA
> >is kind of far, any interest in something in the bay area? I would really
> >like to cruise down and show off my '67 when it is looking good - maybe in
> >the year 2020 I will have it ready.
>
> SF bay area would be perfect for me! That's not much more than 100 miles
> from here...
>
> Steve
>
> Steve
>
>

I was thinking that Sacrmento has some big gatherings every once and a while.
OH hey I just thought of something =I

There is am all Ford show at the old San Jose plant now shopping mall every
year. I just happend to be in Pleaston at that time so I jumped on down to
check it out, big Mustang turn out. It was in late Sept so that might give
some people time to make plans.

Steve, or anyone on Fordnatics right now, someone there might have some
information on it. I'll see what I can dig up.--
Don Grossman
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 13:13:56 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-Jet air-valve

Somebody on this thread Wrote:

> > could be getting to much gas squirting in the secondary.


There is no accelerator pump discharge into the secondaries on a
Quadrajet... I hate to admit it but, well ok, yes I used to make allot, and
I mean allot, of money working on nothing but these darn things. your
tuning is limited to secondary air valve tension and size and spring rate
of the secondary metering rods, as for the primary you have metering rod
size and tension. Accelerator pump discharge can be played with a little
with moving the fulcrum point of the pump lever, and length of the pump
arm. I hate to admit it but a "properly tuned in Quadrajet is a nice piece.
However you well never see any one of those Rochester NY things on any Ford
I ever own/drive. JMHO


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
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75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:28:18 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - West coast gathering

>

Here is what I found for the show.

Sept. 13
2nd Annual Fun Ford Sunday All Ford Show Great Mall of the Bay Area, Milpitas
(510) 825-2906

Not much information but if I can find the hosting club I will pass that
along.

Laters


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:34:29 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OT A place to check out in Stockton

This is not truck related but if you are also into Mustangs.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mustangsplus.com/

Laters
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:00:18 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...

you mentioned the plenum volume, but do not forget the lack of a plenum
divider also allows each cyl to pull from the whole carb. on most newer 2
planes there is a small cut out for siphoning from the other 2 bbls.
increase the cutout by removing it totally as on mopar hemi's of the past,
or add a spacer and the whole carb feeds each cyl. absolutely plenum
volume helps, but the ability to have better breathing also helps top end.
and my experience is that the added plenum volume of even a 2" spacer on a
big block is not measurable by the seat-a-da-pants meter. but the increase
in rpm at the top is quit noticeable most often. throttle responce has
never suffered for any engine i put a spacer on.

sleddog



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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long post on Carb Adapters...


On Carbs and Adapters:


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:09:23 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's

Birken T. Vogt
There is a book that you should have it is called "Turbochargers" One of
the best volumes ever written on the subject.

You should check out this site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alliedsignal.com/business/turbo/about_cas.html

This is one of the best sites on the web.
Garrett builds the Turbos for the race boat that I am peripherally involved
with

Another site is:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.turbocity.com/

There are some general guidelines to be aware of:
You should aim for 9.0 - 9.5:1 Static CR. as this will give you good
response when you are not making boost.
You need to have the Camshaft custom ground. IMHO most of the so called
"Turbo" cams are way too conservative as cam grinders tend to be
conservative. You should be running a Roller Cam as it will let you crank
the valves open farther at a shorter duration.
Think seriously about aluminum heads. They will increase the engine's
tolerance for going into detonation.
You need pistons made by "JE" Have them specked by you engine builder, JE
are (is) good people to work with. You need to know what the effective
compression ratio is for any given boost.
If you are running pump gas you are not going to be able to run high boost
as you will melt the thing down. find a source of Ave. or Race Gas for
Friday night !-)
You need a GOOD water pump, and radiator, and do not underdrive the pump.
You need a high volume oil pump, Big oil cooler(s). and an Accu-sump would
be a good idea.
Forget all of the trick high RPM modifications as you will not need to go
above 4500-5500RPM. You need a solid bottom-end, run ARP Rod Bolts and Main
Studs, a 4 bolt main would be a good idea as you should be able to easily
get 7-800HP.
You need to control the oil so a good pan and windage tray are mandatory, as
is a synthetic oil.
You don't need to "port and polish" the heads, but you do need smooth
combustion chambers, and you need to pay good attention to the exhaust port,
you do need good quality valves. You may want a larger exhaust valve, you
wont have any problems getting AF in so you concentrate on the exhaust side.
Run a good Valve seal on the intake side and the stocker or possibly no seal
on the exhaust side, you want to have good lubrication on this valve as
while you are in a boost situation the valve is going to run hotter so the
guide will live longer with more oil, (EPA Hates this).
The exhaust system should be built out of Stainless between the Turbos and
the engine. You can run steel after the Turbos, but have it coated for
longer life.
With the Turbos you need to have big pipes, 3 inch would be the minimum.
You need a good ignition, and you need one that you can tweak for your boost
condition, MSD, etc...
You should think hard about dumping the Carb. As much as it pains me to say
this EFI is the way to go with a Turbo, a good system will allow you to map
Fuel and Spark.
Forget adapting a turbo from something else to your engine; unless, you have
a turbo expert that you can trust to guide you. Turbos are wonderful
things, make big power, and can destroy an engine in seconds, and you may
never know what you did wrong!
Two smaller Turbos are better then one big one as you will have less lag in
the system.
If your running an automatic you will have to change the controls and beef
it accordingly. You will be capable of some impressive Torque numbers so
choose the Final Drive Ratio accordingly, and here again overkill the
strength of components.

The best way to do a Turbo is to buy a kit from a reputable company and get
the complete kit, with all of the fittings, hoses, waste gates, gages,
etc... and importantly access to their tech line!

Hope I have been some help.

Chris
79 Bronco





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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:00:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

- - New links added.
- - Several trucks added to pictorial. I added so many that I had to
split off the Ranger/Bronco II/Aerostar trucks into their own section.
- - Check out the News and Info section. Many new items contributed by
list members have been added.
- - Our history page has been updated.

Finally got a months back log of this stuff finished and can now
concentrate on the t-shirts, free web space, etc.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:54:56 -0400
From: "THE PAVIES'"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

*My 76 F250 wanders all over the lane I'm in and was wondering if its
*because I still have old bias-ply on the front and radials on the back
*OR because theres something I need to check in the steering. I put it
*up on stands and eveything seems tight when I grab the wheel at the 12
*and 6 o'clock positions and check for looseness. What else should I be
*be checking for?
* If I turn the wheel a little one way or the other it tracks that way
*really quickly. I've seen steering where you can turn the wheel a
*little and nothing happens but it isnt that way. Think its the front
*tires? Jack P.
*
* 76 F250 360 C6
* 90 E150 300 C6
* 95 F350 7.3L Powerstroke 4wd Crewcab
* and also 67 VW Bug
* 61 VW Singlecab Bus
*
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:35:38 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> From: THE PAVIES'



> *My 76 F250 wanders all over the lane I'm in and was > wondering if its
> *because I still have old bias-ply on the front and radials > on the
back.


Immediately correct this situation. This is DANGEROUS, Never run a "mix" of
radials and bias-ply tires. Infact the combo you have is the Most
dangerous. Sorry to get up on the soap box over this but... Well it truly
is dangerous.

Now to help you out, First correct the tire problem as stated above. Then
perform or have a very thorough inspection of all front end components
done. If your truck is outfitted with the Master/slave type steering I
can't help you too much there, but there are many "highboy" aficionados
here on the list. I am sure they can direct you better on this subject. Now
Go change those tires out !!!!


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:33:34 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

From: John Miller
>Immediately correct this situation. This is DANGEROUS, Never run a
"mix" of
>radials and bias-ply tires. Infact the combo you have is the Most
>dangerous.

Not disagreeing, just wondering. What is it that makes it dangerous
and what is the difference of the radials being on the rear as oppose to
them being on the front. If he switch them would you agree it would be
less dangerous?

Didn't think so. :)

I've been told this but never thought to ask why.

Deacon
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 02:45:35 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 Wheel Bearings

My F250 4x4 is developing a squeak that seems to come from the front =
wheel,
so decided to repack the bearings. This will be my first time working on =
a
4wd front end, so I checked my service manual (Always read directions), =
and
the book says I gotta have tool "T59T-1197-B" which by the drawing looks =
to
be a giant socket wrench.=20
Anyone know what size this is? What they cost? Any substitutes; I hate
having tools that are only good for one thig.
All help or suggestions are appreciated,
Rob
'71 F100, 360 4Spd "The Old One"
'78 F250, 4X4 400 C6 "The Brick"
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:51:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turbo V8's

Hey Chris;

Great advice, the DT466's turbos don't have wastegates.
I would not use them, and I'm experienced in building turbo
engines (little ones - 1.7L -2.5L). I wouldn't use a turbo
without a WG and a detonation sensor.

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:52:55 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

Definantly change the tires, My 85 Bronco had load range b tires on front
and load c tires on back
(same size brand & model) when I got it. It had severe handling problems
that were solved when I swapped the tires for a set I had layin around.

THE PAVIES' wrote:

> *My 76 F250 wanders all over the lane I'm in and was wondering if its
> *because I still have old bias-ply on the front and radials on the back
> *OR because theres something I need to check in the steering. I put it
> *up on stands and eveything seems tight when I grab the wheel at the 12
> *and 6 o'clock positions and check for looseness. What else should I be
> *be checking for?
> * If I turn the wheel a little one way or the other it tracks that way
> *really quickly. I've seen steering where you can turn the wheel a
> *little and nothing happens but it isnt that way. Think its the front
> *tires? Jack P.

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58 F-100 292 sb 2wd
85 Bronco 300 IL6 4x4
97 F-150 4.6 sb ext cab 4x4
(and several others in progress)
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:55:36 EDT
From: TYL23
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '62 Ford Pickup

I have a '62 Ford 1/2 ton regular cab flareside longbox pickup with a 292 V8
and a 2 speed automatic. On the chrome nameplate on the side of the hood
where on most trucks it says Ford F-100, mine says Ford Jeannette. I have
never seen or heard of this before, but people I have talked to say that it
might be Canadian. I bought the truck about three months ago from a man in
Duvall, WA, which is only about 2 hours from the border. Has anyone ever seen
one or owned one? I would be very appreciative of any help you could give me.


Jeff Pahutski
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:17:34 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 wandering around

> From: Deacon

> Not disagreeing, just wondering. What is it that makes it dangerous

Basically it is the actual behavior of one as opposed to the other by
"design". What makes a radial superior really really really will bring out
what makes a bias ply "inferior". A radial does not "track" by virtue of
the construction of the tires main components are formed "radially"; if you
will: from the center of the wheel across the tread and back to the center,
so they handle imperfections in the road and power applied to them either
in acceleration or deceleration much much better, not to mention the
improved ride characteristics. The bias ply of course is the opposite the
"chords" run around the "center" so they will pick a "line" of travel, not
conform to imperfections in the road, slip much easier, have much less
contact patch, loose contact, "adhesion" and only are able to do there
inferior job at it's inferior best when the rest of the "wagon" wants to
follow that same "line".


> and what is the difference of the radials being on the rear > as oppose
to
> them being on the front.

with radials on the rear, able to conform to and maneuver over and through
imperfections they will constantly in affect be trying to take the front
bias plys "out" of there "groove" or "path" if you will, putting the
fronts always closer to the limits of there adhesion. I'm no engineer and
don't posses the actual terminology to explain this "at the moment" but I
understand the concept very well.


> If he switch them would you agree it would be
> less dangerous?

YES, YES, YES is the answer but is it "SAFE" NO NO NO, think about this, is
it easier to handle a fishtailing rig or one that the front is out of
control, which end points the darn thing ? in a forward motion of course
:).Where would you want your superior braking? traction?.. it's easy to
make something go... not as easy to make it go where you want it to or stop
when you want it to...

I hope this answers some of your questions Deacon, I will try to get the
"official educated tire person type" answer tomorrow.


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver " Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !


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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:44 -0600
From: "TEA Lowrance, Shane"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?

Hello,

New to the list and have one question. I want to buy a '78-79 4 door 4x4
F250 or F350. How is the 4 door model designated? I'm reading the
classifieds and I see Custom, Extended Cab, and Super Cab. Which one
would be the 4 door model? Or is it something completely different? Was
it designated as a Crew Cab back then also? Also I don't want a dually.
Any guidance would be appreciated.

Shane

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:53:23 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - silliness..

Maybe watching T.V. isn't such a bad thing after all ;-)

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - silliness..
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 1998 8:43 PM
>
> Well, I'm trying to learn a CAD program, and I got bored to death of
> the endless practice exorcises in the book today...
> I went off on kind of a silly tangent for a little while and this was
> the result:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/truck/ftezone2.jpg
>
> Yes, it's got FTE relevance, but...
>

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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:43:52 -0600
From: Ryan Dorman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What is it called?

Your looking for a super cab

TEA Lowrance, Shane wrote:

> Hello,
>
> New to the list and have one question. I want to buy a '78-79 4 door 4x4
> F250 or F350. How is the 4 door model designated? I'm reading the....


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