61-79-list-digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 303



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Colorado Legislation
Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Colorado Legislation
FTE 61-79 - cubic inches
FTE 61-79 - Banned!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post, back around to carbs...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation
FTE 61-79 - Solid lifters
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.
FTE 61-79 - Dist stuck in block
RE: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist stuck in block
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
RE: FTE 61-79 - getting sponsors
Re: FTE 61-79 - Solid lifters
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post, back around to carbs...
FTE 61-79 - Re: California Get-Together
Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together
FTE 61-79 - vibration

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:21:21 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Colorado Legislation

Don g. writes: >>This might be a good time to jump in here by everybody
interested in the automotive hobby. If we could get the bill numbers and
addressed and/or email address of the local and state leaders for Colorado
and send constructive, let me repeat that "CONSTRUCTIVE" letters letting
them know that not only are the people of their state watching them but
across the nation eyes are upon them. Any letter is better than none at
all even if it
is from out of state, hey it can't hurt.

I just opened my June issue of 4 Wheeling, and I noticed a real small
article that mentioned that this legislation had already been defeated.
Don't know myself, but you might want to ask the status, before you jump in
too quickly. Seems the article mentioned that if it had passed, then any
larger tire other than what came on the vehicle would have been outlawed.
Sounds crazy to me, but then so does gun control - guns do not kill -
people kill. Learning to respect others rights is the problem there.
JMHO.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:26:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems

> From: "Robert Hutchinson"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:02:13 -0400

> Well, the distributor WOULD NOT come out, and yes, the retainer was
> not still on the base. I finally said screw it and decided to take
> my chances.

It's called electrolytic action. The aluminum reacts with the iron
and the two become pitted. The pits interlock creating a splined
interlock in a sense. Disolving the oxidized material between the
parts will allow it to be loosened and removed with some effort but
it's hard to get anything in there so a large set of channel locks
and some muscle may do the trick, othewise you just twist it off.
(don't ask)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:27:46 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems

> From: Robert Hutchinson



> Well, the distributor WOULD NOT come out, and yes, the retainer was not
> still on the base. I finally said screw it and decided to take my
chances.
>
> Any ideas on why the thing would not come out?

Robert this is a pretty common problem with Ford blocks/distributors,
basically oil becomes varnish/sludge right at the area where the dist.
housing meets the engine and becomes seized. Some become so lodged that
someone being a little too rough trying to free one up can actually break
the dist. housing off in the block. Using a good solvent, even carb cleaner
works great, soak the area, work the dist. back and forth, repeating this
process and begin working the dist up and out. Patience is a virtue here,
and you will prevail. If necessary to break the dist free to rotate you can
use a pipe wrench or better use a large adjustable on the flat areas
provided on the housing, again be gentle and careful. Hope this helps ya.

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:47:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Colorado Legislation

>Sounds crazy to me, but then so does gun control - guns do not kill -
>people kill. Learning to respect others rights is the problem there.
>JMHO.

No opinion here Azie, It's a fact! I knew this 2nd amendment thing would
creep up sooner of later. Guns DO NOT KILL!! Idiots with guns kill.
Armed citizens
defend themselves. Preach on Brother Azie! Preach on!

BTW -
Could I get your snail mail and tele for a summertime, (July) visit?
Private email please. Thanks Azie.
Stu

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:53:55 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cubic inches

Azie wrote:>> The smoothe head design was introduced in '68 I believe as
383 for Mercury and 430 for Lincoln. This may not be exact, but is close.

Before you guys jumo on me too hard that should read '58 - not '68

Azie
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:01:47 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Banned!!!

Jeff,
All I know from the article is S.B. 34 which I assume means Senate Bill 34.
I really hope these measures fail. It's bad enough that I can't modify my
exhaust or carb because of the smog nazis, but if this catches on I won't
be able to buy any decent tires either. What about air shocks? overload
springs? chrome wheels? All right, I'm shushin'.

Let us know how this turns out.


- -John

jmlagron tenet.edu
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (When speed counts, count on Macintosh)
1979 MC under restoration (my son is rebellious, but he loves old cars!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:06:09 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post, back around to carbs...

From: Steve
> If He likes the Carter AFB, He'll like the edelbrock just as well.
> They are the same carb, right down to the Weber "W" on the side of the
> carb.
> The AFB would have been something like $6 cheaper if they had had it
in stock.
> Buy whichever one You can get cheapest, cuz dey iz de same animal!

He gives a very unbiased description of the pros and cons on 3
carbs, Holley, Edelbrock and Carter. I think it would be safe to say, he
only recommends getting informed before buying. The Carter and Edelbrock
had price, parts availability and driveable setup out of box
installation in their favor. Not that he had anything bad to say about
Holley, it just didn't match the numbers of the other two. He pointed
out that all carbs need setting up to get the best performance and
having the parts readily available is a must. As you said, if the parts
house has one in stock but not the other, there would be no reason to
not buy the one that's available. If they have both I would check to see
what parts they carry the most for, then pick the prettiest one. :)

> They're both good carbs, designed by Weber, and Weber ain't no slouch
when
> it comes to making good carbs!

And they bake some damn good bread too! :)

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:16:28 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation

>From: "John LaGrone"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation
>
>On page 27-28 in the June 98 Low Rider Magazine is an
>article on two proposed laws that the Colorado legislature
>is considering. The first law would ban cruising. The second
>law (S.B. 34) would ban vehicles with altered suspension
>and prohibit changes to tire size, wheel size, body height,
>and chassis configuration.

Yo John, et al:

June 98?? Unfortunately, the lead time for print publications is such that
state legislative activities move even faster (believe it or not).

The annual Colorado state legislative session runs from Wednesday of the
first full week in January (01/07 this year) until Wednesday of the first
full week of May (05/06 this year). The legislative session has already
ended in Colorado, and any bills passed would be up to the Governor to veto
or sign. At this late stage, the only thing you could do is petition the
Governor to veto the bill, if he hadn't already signed it.

The good news: Fortunately for all automotive enthusiasts, Ford truck
lovers, and half-way sane people in the free world, the altered suspension
bill (SB 34, Alteration of Vehicle Configurations) died quickly and
unceremoniously on the Senate floor at its second reading on February 19.
The Prohibition of Cruising bill (HB 1027) didn't even survive its first
reading in the House Local Government committee on January 21.

BTW: even though these proposed laws did not get through the legislature,
it may be worthy of note to FTE members in Colorado that HB 1027
Prohibition of Cruising was introduced by Frana Araujo Mace (D), State
Representative, District 4 (Denver), and that SB 34 Alteration of Vehicle
Configurations was introduced by Ray Powers (R), State Senator, District 10
(El Paso County).

If you want to keep tabs on what these people are up to in the future, you
can use the following official web site:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/stateleg.html

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:30:17 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Solid lifters

Marko M. writes:>>Just remember you can only run a solid cam in that thing.


I think all the 332's of '58 and the 352's of '59 will take hydraulic cams.

As I remember it:
All the '58 and '59 332's and 352's came either way from the factory, but
all of them had adjustable rockers. Sometime in mid '59 FOMOCO went to
hydraulics totally, and went to the stamped rockers Then in '60 when the
352hp was offered, it had solid lifters with no oil passages for hydraulics
and was rated 360 Horse power (I think). In '61 it became the 390 and was
offered both ways. In '62 the 406 was introduced and it had just solids
with no oil passage holes for hydraulics. The 427 was introduced in '63 and
only came with solids until '68 and, I am told, a few were produced in that
year with oil passages for Hyd. I've never seen one. The 428 was
introduced in late '68 and all had oil passages for hyd lifters.
This is believed to be true, but I wouldn't bet my lunch on it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:43:41 -0400
From: "Charles Hawkins"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.

On Friday, May 22, 1998 9:51 AM, am14 chrysler.com [SMTP:am14 chrysler.com]
wrote:
> John writes: >>Azie claims to have a factory Autolite spreadbore which
Stu
> I believe wanted more info on. As yet we haven't heard from him on this
> anomaly. Pony Carburetors modifies the 4100 to create a "spreadbore
efect"
> by shrinking the venturi's on the primary sidefromn 1.12" to 1.00". The
> bottom plate of the 4100 is definitely a square bore pattern. Until we
> here more from Azie on his "spreadbore", this is all that I can add.
>
> I definitely have an Autolite spreadbore.. That I know. Now whether its
a
> 4100 or not I have no Idea. I'll get all the info this weekend from the
> markings, tags, and I'll even measure the bore size with my calipers and
> post them. Look for this to appear on the list Tuesday or Wednesday
> (Monday is a holiday and I only have access work) If I forget someone
> remind me.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.

My F-250 has a 460 out of a '75 Lincoln. The original carb was a
spreadbore Autolite. I got it real cheap because it had caught fire. I
assumed the carb was the problem and had a Holley laying around. I had to
buy a special Holley-to-Ford Spreadbore adapter to bolt it on. Like Azie,
i don't know what model it is, but it is definitely an Autolite spreadbore.

Anyway, all this carb talk has about convinced me to rebuild the Autolite
and try it again.

Charles Hawkins
'76 F-250 4x2 SuperCab w/ 460

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:47:56 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist stuck in block

Robert H. writes: >>Any ideas on why the thing would not come out

Aluminum dist housing and cast iron block. I'm certainly no chemist, but
theres something about these two metals coming in contact with other that
causes this problem. Salt around, either in the air on the road, doesn't
help either. I've been known to lose it trying to get these things out and
finally taken them out in several smaller pieces. I try not to lose my
cool, but this is one spot where I have been known to come unglued. I can't
recommend a good solution, since I haven't found success yet, but I can
symphatise with you.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:58:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.

> From: "Charles Hawkins"
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore.
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:43:41 -0400

> My F-250 has a 460 out of a '75 Lincoln. The original carb was a
> spreadbore Autolite. I got it real cheap because it had caught
> fire.

> Anyway, all this carb talk has about convinced me to rebuild the
> Autolite and try it again.

I'd be leary of a carb involved in a fire if there is any indication
it was very hot or prolonged. Aluminum melts and deforms at very low
temps and the castings are very thin. At least inspect it closely
for any sign of deformation before springing for the rebuild kit :-)

If the throttle body is warped even a little you will have trouble
with the throttle shafts at the very least and could cause the plates
to stick too. I have one on a manifold that is just perceptably out
of flat and it's enough to bind the secondarys so they won't close
all the way, real irritating I'll say! :-(


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:06:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dist stuck in block

> From: am14 chrysler.com
> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:47:56 -0400
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dist stuck in block

> smaller pieces. I try not to lose my cool, but this is one spot
> where I have been known to come unglued. I can't recommend a good
> solution, since I haven't found success yet, but I can symphatise
> with you.

Azie, you don't throw tools too do you? :-) That's ok, you don't
have to answer that, I'm not going to admit it either :-) Maybe my
lift will take the pressure off so I can enjoy myself so much I never
lose it again..........:-)

My wife thinks I become irrational but if that were the case I
wouldn't look for something cheap to thr.............Ooooooops :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:09:51 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

>>you don't put a
>> manic depressive in charge of fun Friday. It's just not a >wise thing to
>> do. They can help, but if their in charge and things go >wrong, there's a
>> good chance they'll be spotted in a high place with a high >powered
>> weapon. So that makes me a helper! :)

>I'm not too worried unless you convince Steve to teach you his skill of
>designing complex electronic circuits... Then I wouldn't open any packages
>as doorprizes.... :)

Nah, I only send the packages to ch*vy owners. When they open it, it
sprays FORD blue paint all over the recipient and everything within
a 20' radius... (-:
Say Deacon, I've got the GPS guided missile launcher for Your F350 finished,
should I ship it UPS or Fedex?

Hey, don't make the CA get together too far south, we No. CA guys wanna
play too!

Steve


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:01:48 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - getting sponsors

unfortunatly, there is no contigancy money on the local level for truck
pulling. o local speed shop was considering this, but so far he only pays
to those who win at the 2 pulls he sponsors.

sleddog

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From: Bill Beyer[SMTP:bbeyer pacifier.com]
Sent: Friday, May 22, 1998 12:20 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - getting sponsors

I know in drag racing they have contingency money that's paid if you win
and you have the right decals on your vehicle. Companies like Holly,
Hooker, Summit, etc. all pay different amounts for different classes if you
have their decals on your rig. You might want to check into that also. It
ain't sponsorship but it helps pay some of the bills.


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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:33:02 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Solid lifters

At 03:30 PM 22/05/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Marko M. writes:>>Just remember you can only run a solid cam in that thing.
>
>
>I think all the 332's of '58 and the 352's of '59 will take hydraulic cams.
>
>As I remember it:
>All the '58 and '59 332's and 352's came either way from the factory, but
>all of them had adjustable rockers. Sometime in mid '59 FOMOCO went to
>hydraulics totally, and went to the stamped rockers Then in '60 when the
>352hp was offered, it had solid lifters with no oil passages for hydraulics
>and was rated 360 Horse power (I think). In '61 it became the 390 and was
>offered both ways. In '62 the 406 was introduced and it had just solids
>with no oil passage holes for hydraulics. The 427 was introduced in '63 and
>only came with solids until '68 and, I am told, a few were produced in that
>year with oil passages for Hyd. I've never seen one. The 428 was
>introduced in late '68 and all had oil passages for hyd lifters.
>This is believed to be true, but I wouldn't bet my lunch on it.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
>

There you go again Azie, forgetting more than the rest of us will ever know.


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:42:37 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

From: Steve
> Say Deacon, I've got the GPS guided missile launcher for Your F350
finished,
> should I ship it UPS or Fedex?

Just shoot it on over to John Millers and I'll pick it up there and
there and there.... :)

> Hey, don't make the CA get together too far south, we No. CA guys
wanna
> play too!

I'm not in charge but no worries my friend, you guys have all the
veggies. Can't leave you guys out! :]

Speaking of So. Cal boys. Where's Dana been? You still out there Dana?

Deacon
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:59:38 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post, back around to carbs...

One other thing in the Carter's favor is that they make a 50 state
emissions legal 625 CFM 4V. Edelbrock used to make one but they seem to
have discontinued it several years ago. At least I don't see it in the
catalogs anymore or on their web site.

Deacon, I have no earthly idea what you mean by Weber bread but it's still
early and I haven't taken my medication yet.
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> From: Deacon
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Whippin' Post, back around to carbs...
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 12:06 PM
>
> From: Steve
> > If He likes the Carter AFB, He'll like the edelbrock just as well.
> > They are the same carb, right down to the Weber "W" on the side of the
> > carb.
> > The AFB would have been something like $6 cheaper if they had had it
> in stock.
> > Buy whichever one You can get cheapest, cuz dey iz de same animal!
>
> He gives a very unbiased description of the pros and cons on 3
> carbs, Holley, Edelbrock and Carter. I think it would be safe to say, he
> only recommends getting informed before buying. The Carter and Edelbrock
> had price, parts availability and driveable setup out of box
> installation in their favor. Not that he had anything bad to say about
> Holley, it just didn't match the numbers of the other two. He pointed
> out that all carbs need setting up to get the best performance and
> having the parts readily available is a must. As you said, if the parts
> house has one in stock but not the other, there would be no reason to
> not buy the one that's available. If they have both I would check to see
> what parts they carry the most for, then pick the prettiest one. :)
>
> > They're both good carbs, designed by Weber, and Weber ain't no slouch
> when
> > it comes to making good carbs!
>
> And they bake some damn good bread too! :)
>

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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:06:46 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: California Get-Together

"John Miller" wrote:
> you already got unanimously VOTED/appointed as the West Coast BIG > KAHUNA..... Sorry Bro....
> hehehehehheheheh I guess you have to take that up with the Kenster....

I, too, am in California, and I voted long ago to support the Deekster
for ORGANIZER! Sorry, guy, YOU'RE IT, 'cause (FTE content) you got more
FORD TRUCKS than I.

Marv in Reseda
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:25:53 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together

At 01:09 PM 5/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Hey, don't make the CA get together too far south, we No. CA guys wanna
> play too!
>
> Steve
>

How about making it some place close to an airport so I can fly in from
Arizona. O.K.

Later


Keith Srbherbie netvalue.net
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Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box,
Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air
Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:40:50 -0700
From: Aaron Jacobson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vibration

Howdy Ford Nuts!
I replaced the hanger bearing on my 65 f250 camper special.I pressed the....


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