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61-79-list-digest Friday, May 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 302 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake master cylinder question Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation FTE 61-79 - Cubic inches Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together Re: FTE 61-79 - new engine Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Merc Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaky carb Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaky carb FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems FTE 61-79 - Misaligned Oil holes in FE Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello FTE 61-79 - 462 FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords FTE 61-79 - Re: your truck ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:00:30 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake master cylinder question Deacon wrote: > From: Mark Goods > >I have a new brake master cylinder to put on my 68 F100. I've been told > to > >"bench bleed"the cylinder before putting it on the truck. I don't own a > >vice or anything to hold it while I bleed it. Can some of you please > tell > >me other ways to bleed the cylinder, perhaps while mounted on the > truck. > > Install it then bleed it before connecting the lines. That's the easiest > way IMHO. > > Deacon > deconblu > Basically what you do is during the installation of the MC is cut your wrist open from here to about there making sure that the MC and lines get covered in sticky red fluid.... Install the master cylinder as usual but not connecting the main brake lines yet. Run some short lines front the outlets to the reservoir and fill with fluid. Pump away until no more air bubbles are produced then install your main brake lines. - -- Don Grossman duckdon http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:04:51 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together John Miller wrote: > > From: Deacon > > >you don't put a > > manic depressive in charge of fun Friday. It's just not a >wise thing to > > do. They can help, but if their in charge and things go >wrong, there's a > > good chance they'll be spotted in a high place with a high >powered > > weapon. So that makes me a helper! :) > > I'm not too worried unless you convince Steve to teach you his skill of > designing complex electronic circuits... Then I wouldn't open any packages > as doorprizes.... :) Can anybody say UniDeacon? - -- Don Grossman duckdon http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:56:59 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation From: John LaGrone >Cheez and thought Texas was the only state with a screwed up legislature. California takes the blue ribbon for screwed up legislature. How about Smog Check II getting put on hold. Yes, the smog nazis motherload is having trouble. You want to see the prima donna air heads we have to put up with? Read this http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://smogcheck.ca.gov/000154.HTM . Oops, they have the requirements for bringing an out of state vehicle into California at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://smogcheck.ca.gov/MOVING.HTM . What a trip. Whoever it was that said only the $300 smog impact fee was required was correct. If the vehicles engine sticker is federally certified, no problem. Here is what they say - -------------- snip -------------- A federally certified vehicle may be registered in California as long as it has all of the emissions equipment which was on the vehicle when it was first sold. The equipment must all function correctly. If the car has missing, disconnected or tampered emissions parts, you will not be able to register the car here until those deficiencies are corrected. Do not attempt to add additional emissions control equipment to your federally certified vehicle in order to bring it to California; do not attempt to make this vehicle conform to California standards. However, you may wish to get a tune up if your car is running rough or has not been adjusted to factory specifications for some time. Regular maintenance will help you pass your Smog Check. - ------------- paste ----------------- What a trip ay! So I stand corrected. I can't remember the details but they said something about registering a California car out of state then moving back to California and they were charged the $300 Smog Impact Fee. Someone got screwed! Check it out. The $300 Smog Impact Fee is only if the vehicle is federally certified and newer than 1975. If it's older than 1975 or California certified there is no Smog Impact Fee. I never said I was never wrong. :) Deacon deconblu ============================= Nuke the unborn baby whales. ============================= Deacon's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:16:03 -0400 From: luxjo Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Proposed legislation Don Grossman wrote: > > BDIJXS wrote: > > > Hey John, > > > > I've been on the post office wall for so long already anyway..... > > > > Do you have any details on that proposed bill about the altered vehicles > > (such as number, etc.)? I'll be sure to check in with my congressman...... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Colorado Jeff > I thought that bill was killed by the offroad groups and SEMA last fall. I was told "we" won and that Co. was going to adopt Ca. fairly liberal frame/body heights. Here is a some messages I archived from last fall. Check out teh "joke" message at the end. OX > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:28:48 -0800 > From: "Roger Brown P.E." > Subject: Colorado Suspension legislation > To: Offroad com > > Scott wrote: > >> > The new law eliminates all the garbage from the old law, as well as from > the proposed law, and basically says that we can have frames not more > than > 31" off the ground (measured between the wheels, at the lowest point of > the > rails) and body lifts of not more than 5" (five inch body lift? Safe?) > > > Sounds about like the California DMV regs: > > VEHICLE CODE SECTION 24008.5. (a) No person shall operate any motor > vehicle with a frame height or body floor height greater than specified > in subdivisions (b) and (c). > > (b) The maximum frame height is as follows: > > Vehicle Type Frame Height > > (1) Passenger vehicles, except > housecars ...................... 23 inches > > (2) All other motor vehicles, > including housecars, as follows: > Up to 4,500 pounds GVWR ........ 27 inches > 4,501 to 7,500 pounds GVWR ..... 30 inches > 7,501 to 10,000 pounds GVWR .... 31 inches > > (c) The lowest portion of the body floor shall not be more than five > inches above the top of the frame. > > (d) The following definitions govern the construction of this > section: > > (1) "Frame" means the main longitudinal structural members of the > chassis of the vehicle or, for vehicles with unitized body > construction, the lowest main longitudinal structural members of the > body of the vehicle. > > (2) "Frame height" means the vertical distance between the ground > and the lowest point on the frame, measured when the vehicle is > unladen on a level surface at the lowest point on the frame midway > between the front axle and the second axle on the vehicle. > > (3) "GVWR" means the manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating, as > defined in Section 390, whether or not the vehicle is modified by > use of parts not originally installed by the manufacturer. > > - -- > Roger Brown, P.E. mailto:rogerb > +1.650.933.1898 (vmail) +1.650.932.1898 (fax) > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://reality.sgi.com/rogerb/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:23:53 -0700 > From: "Darrell D. Murray" > Subject: Federal Government, New Regs > To: Offroad com > > A new law before congress is addressing the concerns the government is > having over how well crash survivors of SUV's and Set up 4x4's have over > the regular passenger car. They plan to ban any future modifications to > SUV's and other 4x4's plain and simple. They also plan to require that > SUV owners place the following warning(s) on the outside of their > vehicles, similar to the firearms warnings stamped on modern guns and > the like. It is rumored that this is what the warning will say. > "Warning! If you're driving a regular compact passenger car you can > expect the following results upon a traffic collision. Serious injury > or even death! It is best to avoid impact with these vehicles at all > costs! Especially avoid failing to yield, stopping short, unsafe lane > changes or other driving behavior that would cause a collision with > these vehicles. Also if you are a pedestrian, be advised impact with a > steel bull bar bumper will hurt more than with the plastic foam filled > bumpers found on most stock SUV's. So don't Jay walk! If you're > involved with a collision with a SUV please contact this number and file > a special government report listing your injuries or cause of death, so > we can further show cause to regulate these SUV's making our highways a > safer place to commute." If you haven't figured it out this is a joke > for now. However, there are bills before congress right now that will > ban any further OWNER MODIFICATIONS to YOUR vehicle. Check with you > local Federal elected reps and ask where they stand and voice you > opinion on the subject. Dead is Dead. Whether you're hit by a VW, SUV > or a Semi. It's another way to attack our rights and freedoms. Stand > up to them and tell them NO WAY! There are states that also have > legislation before them as well off the top of my head Colorado and New > Jersey, to Ban Owner Mods. It's coming in the back door so keep your > eye's open. > Darrell D. Murray, President > AZ.L.R.O.C/R.R.R. > > ------------------------------ = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:29:06 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cubic inches Ron writes: >>I thought the 239 V8 was the first OHV engine? It was - - - 255 for trucks and Mercurys. that was identical to the previous years flathead size if I'm not mistaken. I really don't know what the Lincoln had that year, but it was a derivative of the Y blocks, I think. The smoothe head design was introduced in '68 I believe as 383 for Mercury and 430 for Lincoln. This may not be exact, but is close. Azie Ardmore, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:26:37 -0700 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - California get together From: John Miller >I'm not too worried unless you convince Steve to teach you his skill of >designing complex electronic circuits... Then I wouldn't open any packages >as doorprizes.... :) You'll never know! :) Hey, I thought of a club name for us "Net EFFers Limited". I'm always thinking. :) Deacon deconblu ============================= Nuke the unborn baby whales. ============================= Deacon's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/ = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:35:54 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new engine At 11:04 PM 21/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, >Just ran across a good deal! I found a 1960 thunderbird 352 police >Interceptor motor running in the T-Bird, the owner just backed it into a >ditch at 90 miles an hour. A few mods and a good tear down, and Ill finally >have a 350hp stock replacement for my trusty 360-2V in the 72 Truck. Picked >up the engine by doing a brake job on the guys Mazda. Everything was there >from the carb to pan! ( I always liked the old iron better than the newer >stuff!) >Forest Hey Forest! Congrats! Just remember you can only run a solid cam in that thing. Should be scary when it's done! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:40:58 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Merc Azie asks, >Did you lay the main bearings in the block and notice the misalignment and >correct this as well as drill the oil passage from the filter to the center >galley to a larger passage???? Hell yes. But it's a little late to ask when the engine is all back together! They worked the other way too as I understand, my 360 has a quarter million miles on it and apart from a set of heads 100,000 ago and a back seal, it never needed nothin on the bottom end. Azie, on the other hand, is probably thinking I am going to drive my 4x4 to France and run Le Mans with it. marko ;-] = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:46:08 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:re: Carbs open plenum spacer Can't figure out how I can get the engine 800 miles away! :( Rats! >Stu >Nuke GM! Stu, it's simple, really. Get in your tube frame (make sure it has a seat belt), drive over there, and have them install the engine. Then drive back and fire it up. piece of cake. marko ;-] = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:48:13 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello At 08:41 AM 22/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >Ish, > >How ya doin? I would look really hard at Stan's Headers. I put >Heddmans on mine. There okay. We were able to get them >in without having to raise the motor. Had to remove the starter >to get them in, then re-installed the starter before mounting them >on the heads. But other than that they were straight forward. >>From what I understand about the Stan's Tri-Y's is that the >starter doesn't become an issue. Some one who has a set >can confirm this, but with the Heddmans you'll have to remove >the header to remove the starter. The left pipe on the Heddmans >don't run straight back either. I kicks towards the frame rail and >has to be compensated for in the new pipe. > None of these problems with Stan's. They don't go anywhere near the starter. And they look awesome! marko = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:54:15 +0000 From: "Gary, 78 BBB" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaky carb > From: RDbanesjr > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:53:30 EDT > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Leaky carb > the old carb and that helped alot, but why does it leak in the first > place? is the tab on the float not adjusted right? or could the fuel > pump put out to much pressure? previous owner apparently had probs > with fuel pump since it has two elec fuel pumps that have been > disconnected. I had to put a regulator on my truck with electric pump which was supposed to be self regulating to 5 - 7# but obviously it wasn't because even with new parts and carefully set and checked float level it would leak out the vents and this was on my 460 with spread bore carb. I'm sure a Rochester wouldn't do that :-) 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's 78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! - -- Gary -- = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:06:29 -0700 From: Keith Srb Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaky carb At 12:53 PM 5/22/98 EDT, you wrote: >i got a quick question for all of ya'll that know a thing or two about carbs. >the auto choke carb i did have on the 240 had a serious vac leak plus the bowl >was craked so i replaced it with a manual choke carb from a junk yard (had to >get by as cheap as i could before the wife cut off my funds). after cleaning >and insp and a carb kit i put the "new" carb on. first thing i notied was >this one was leaking gas also. i doubled up on the gasket with the one from >the old carb and that helped alot, but why does it leak in the first place? >is the tab on the float not adjusted right? or could the fuel pump put out to >much pressure? previous owner apparently had probs with fuel pump since it >has two elec fuel pumps that have been disconnected. any ideas that would >point me in the right direction woudl be appreciated. > >dug '67 swb >240 w/3spd I have a feeling the two electric fuel pumps are there because of vapor lock. My 240 in my 66 starts vapor locking when it gets up to 80 degrees. It also doesn't help that it has an oil bath air cleaner, which helps retain heat around the carb. One of the things I was going to try to correct the problem was install an electric fuel pump and re-route the fuel lines away from the engine. As far as the reason for the carb still leaking, take the top plate off the carb. Set it down, with the gasket side down, on a flat surface and check to see if it has warped. I have lived in Arizona for almost ten years and had to replace the carb 5 times on my truck because the top plate has warped. I have had to use the two gasket method a coupe of time to get me by until I could afford to get another carb. Hope this helps! Later Keith Srbherbie http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie Mesa, AZ 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed. 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up. 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, Camper Special, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side. 1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Model 1100 1bbl carb, Oil Bath Air Cleaner, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box Style Side. My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!" = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:02:13 -0400 From: "Robert Hutchinson" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor problems Hey guys, speaking of distributors, I'm in the process of putting a '72 360 in my '78 F-100, and before I slapped the engine in my truck I wanted to check the oil pump to make sure it's operational, so therefore I wanted to remove my distributor to spin the oil pump shaft. Well, the distributor WOULD NOT come out, and yes, the retainer was not still on the base. I finally said screw it and decided to take my chances. Any ideas on why the thing would not come out? Robert Hutchinson hutch297 1978 F-100 = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:03:47 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Misaligned Oil holes in FE Gary writes: >>I read somewhere that the misalignment was deliberate? The purpose being to control the flow to the cam but in the FE engine I understand the oil goes to the cam first so the crank then would need all it's holes as open as possible in that case? I have no idea why the factory produced these misalignments, but I drag raced several FE's from 352 to 428 and in order to get the crankshaft to survive above 6500rpm, you better open these passages up. The cam does infact feed the mains on FE's except for the 427 side oiler and possibly the SOHC. I know from experience that the mains(#4 and #2 I believe) will starve if left stock. I never lost a crankshaft after doing this modification. (By the way Holman/Moody in NC told me to do it, and they were sponsored by FOMOCO at the time.) I had a 428 that I consistently turned to 7500rpms and the crankshaft was never replaced. Anybody that knows the FE will tell you that it is only good for about 6000rpms and most likely 5500rpms, but I know better. I believe in the FE. Balance it - make those few oil passage mods - do just a little cleanup around the exhaust ports - run good 5/8ths" primary headers into 3" collectors of around 30" long(yes 30" long) and get a good set of valve springs with a cam of around .600" lift at the valve with around 312 to 324 degrees of o'lap and an aluminum intake with a good 750cfm Carb and watch it come to life. Won't idle - but will run like the Devil. I also blueprinted mine, but I don't think anyone could say that this made it any faster, but then neither did the balancing. These two just make good sense if you're spending the rest of the money this takes. Azie Ardmore, Al. = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:11:27 -0600 (CST) From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Hello >None of these problems with Stan's. They don't go anywhere near the >starter. > > >And they look awesome! > marko, You Still all weak in the knees about these headers aren't you. (I call it Merc truck / 410 jealousy !!) I gots to get me a set of Stan's! I just gots to! Stu = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:12:52 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - 462 >No, the 317 OHV V8 was introduced by Lincoln in 1952. The 239 OHV V8 came >out in 1954. The 317 saw duty in luxobarges and mediuum to heavy duty Ford >trucks fron '52-'55. The key differences between the Lincoln engines and the >Y-block(I'm certain that at some point they were related) is the head >design, and the overall size of the engine, the Lincoln being much bigger. > Wow, that is interesting, I never knew that. I just got a book that details all the cars of the '50s, I need to go check that out. The pictures of the Lincoln and Mercury engines look just like a regular Y-block so I assumed they were the same, just with different displacements. Good info, William! _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:12:50 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brazilian Fords > I checked out a pretty cool book from the library last night titled 53 >- -67 Ford Trucks. >In it they had pictures of some different Ford trucks that I didn't know >existed, like Mercury trucks made in Canada, and Ford trucks made in >Brazil. It looked like Ford shipped down it's old parts to make some of >these Brazilian units. The 60 model used a 53-56 cab with a 57 box. The >62 looked like a 59 with a bizarre looking grille. > Oh, you're killing me! I used to have that book and I loaned it to a friend who then lost it. I have tried to purchase it since then from many sources but it is out of print. Lots of good stuff in there like ads from other countries. Very interesting is how the South America trucks were based on the 57-60 design and used the Y-block motor well into the '70s, even including rectangular headlights in the grille. Cool book, sure wish I could find one at a used book store or something. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss \( Texas Fight! = Ford Truck Enthusiasts ============================================== Send posts to: 61-79-list Send unsubscribe requests to: majordomo "unsubscribe 61-79-list" in the message body. ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:18:07 -0700 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: your truck At 07:12 PM 21/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Marko! > > >The engine code is: C9AE-6015-B >The VIN: F11BKJ51173 >Wheel Base: 115 (inches? No brainer?) >Color: M >Model: F113 >Body: 3 3 A (numbers weren't stamped under label) >Axle: H3 > >>Nice job on Stu's website, the mushroom clouds are really special. > Hi Tony. F11 is a f100 4x4 B engine code means, according to the factory typo in my shop manual, a "360-1V 6 cylinder". They mean 300 6 as an A code woulda meant 240. K means it was made in Kansas City J51173 is the serial number. 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