61-79-list-digest Thursday, September 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 431



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - A Little More on Springfield
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 question
FTE 61-79 - 67-72 tailgates
Re: FTE 61-79 - A Little More on Springfield
FTE 61-79 - train track
FTE 61-79 - 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering box swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 question
Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes
FTE 61-79 - Re: BIG Socket
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BIG Socket
FTE 61-79 - Diesel swap
FTE 61-79 - Re:'65/'66 grilles
FTE 61-79 - Body Side Molding (NOS only) needed
FTE 61-79 - FTE t-shirt
FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Omni Pak

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 06:53:56 -0400
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A Little More on Springfield

Hey all!
I let myself fall behind on checking my e-mail, so I didn't notice
until this morning (Wednesday) that a few of you need more info. Sorry
about that! "Springfield '98 - Fall" will be held at the Clark County
fairgrounds in Springfield, Ohio, near Dayton and Xenia, and within
sight of I-70. For those of you who like to camp out, there are
campgrounds at one end of the fairgrounds with hookups for those who
need them. Campsites with hookups cost $20 a night, general admission is
$5 a head.
For more info call (937)376-0111.

See you there!

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Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 05:06:32 -0700
From: Charles Morley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 question

Josh Duggan wrote:
>
> I need to know if the 1978 ford trucks had a smog pump and catalytics. I am
> looking in to buying a 73-78 f-250. any suggestions would be appreciated.
> I want it 4 wheel drive and loaded. I know the 1979 has a smog pump and I
> am trying to avoid this right now. I have a 84 that has a smog pump, cats,
> and a computer and thats what I don't want. So any suggestions would be
> appreciated.
>
> spyder2 mindspring
>
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My '78 (in Calif.) has all the above plus EGR valve and a poor excuse
for a throttle valve. If you are in Calif., go for the 73. That year,
and older, is now not required to have smog inspections.

Charles

'78 460 2X
'89 2.9L ranger 4X
'42 2N tractor
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 08:05:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67-72 tailgates

The 67-72 tailgates in question Dennis Carpenter is making or having made
are for styleside bodied beds and price was never mentioned as part of the
advertisment. The stepside crew has access to reproduction tailgates
and have had access for many years.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:19:11 -0400
From: Jay Grover
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A Little More on Springfield

Don,
The September issue of Car Craft has an article about the "Springfield
'98 - Spring" car show and swap meet. Its near the back of the magazine
and highlights some of the vehicle bargains that the writer found at the
spring show. I'll be there (but I live on the "other" side of
Springfield). There is usually a very nice assortment of parts for
classic vehicles. I'll look for you at the show.

Jay Grover (no known relationship to Don's truck) :-)

The Neighbors wrote:
>
> Hey all!
> I let myself fall behind on checking my e-mail, so I didn't notice
> until this morning (Wednesday) that a few of you need more info. Sorry
> about that! "Springfield '98 - Fall" will be held at the Clark County
> fairgrounds in Springfield, Ohio, near Dayton and Xenia, and within
> sight of I-70. For those of you who like to camp out, there are
> campgrounds at one end of the fairgrounds with hookups for those who
> need them. Campsites with hookups cost $20 a night, general admission is
> $5 a head.
> For more info call (937)376-0111.
>
> See you there!
>
> --
> Don Neighbors
> '54 F250 Named Grover
>
> "Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
> innaccesible part of the vehicle."
>
> grover ford-trucks.com
>
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"but, this one goes to eleven..."
Jay Grover
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:32:27 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - train track

Sorry, Ken, I guess I wasn't very clear. I mean REAL train track as in
Atchison, Topeka & Sante Fe etc. That little six inch piece weighs about 15
lbs or so.

Lay the track over on its side, lay the yoke across it and it supports both
the main shaft and the end of the yoke where the u-joint resides. Viola! no
broken yokes. I also use a socket to drive the cups in and out.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:08:37 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap

Rab Rawlings writes: >>I'm also replacing the 400 with a 460. Do I have to
do anything to the np465 tranny or will the 460 bolt in?

The 460 will bolt to the 400 bellhousing and you can use the starter,
clutch and pressure plate, but the flywheel will have to come from a
360/390, or a 429/460. You will need an Oil pan and oil pump pickup tube
from a late model 460 4X4 or any year Van.(rear sump - and dipstick is
located in pan). One main bearing bolt is special(has a stud coming down
out of the head for locating the pickup tube). Special Motor mounts are
required - sold by L&L products. If your F250 has A/C and power steering,
you will have to relocate the pump(interferes with the steering sector) and
the A/C compressor (I forget why).
Passenger side exhaust needs to be from a van/truck engine, or you will
have to "notch" the frame for clearance.

I'm sure I've forgotten something, but if my memory comes back, I'll update
you.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:09:13 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap

Rab Rawlings writes: >>I'm also replacing the 400 with a 460. Do I have to
do anything to the np465 tranny or will the 460 bolt in?

The 460 will bolt to the 400 bellhousing and you can use the starter,
clutch and pressure plate, but the flywheel will have to come from a
360/390, or a 429/460. You will need an Oil pan and oil pump pickup tube
from a late model 460 4X4 or any year Van.(rear sump - and dipstick is
located in pan). One main bearing bolt is special(has a stud coming down
out of the head for locating the pickup tube). Special Motor mounts are
required - sold by L&L products. If your F250 has A/C and power steering,
you will have to relocate the pump(interferes with the steering sector) and
the A/C compressor (I forget why).
Passenger side exhaust needs to be from a van/truck engine, or you will
have to "notch" the frame for clearance.

I'm sure I've forgotten something, but if my memory comes back, I'll update
you.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:03:46 -0400
From: Mike and Colleen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

Fellow Enthusiasts,
I've been searching around for a power steering box and pump for my
'70 F-100 2wd and haven't had much luck. Are the steering boxes
from the '73-'79 trucks compatible? Would I have to use the newer
truck's steering column, or is it possible to use my current column
and shorten/lengthen it? I have the same question about the power
brake booster (I have drums all around). I haven't found any
'67-'72 truck in the yards around here, but one yard I pick through
has 5 '73-'79s in it, most in fair shape. Just wondering if anyone
had tried this and if it works.
Thanks,
Mike

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:11:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering box swap

From: OldTrux aol.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:52:15 EDT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering box swap

> I would love to add P/S to my '66 4x4 but the steering box mounts on the
> outside of the frame rails. All the boxes I've seen mount on the inside.
> (Can't flip it over or the sector shaft comes out the top!) Any ideas? ==

78 bronco is mounted on the outside, F-250 on the inside (I thought it was
heavier so I was going to put one on my bronco but they mount differently)
You also need to consider where the pitman arm has to point and where the
tie rods are, in front or behind the axle. Broncos are in front :-)

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:52:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 question

Date sent: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 05:06:32 -0700
From: Charles Morley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 question

> > I need to know if the 1978 ford trucks had a smog pump and catalytics.
> > I am looking in to buying a 73-78 f-250. any suggestions would be

78 was the last year before it was mandatory in all states but I think the CA
versions did have them in 78, not sure. Both of Mine had PCV, EGR and
evaporative can, that's it :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's "The Ex-Black Hole"
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's "The Black Hole"
78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long! "The Future.." :-)
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:31:00 -0700
From: Doug Neely
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

Mike,
Don't know about the steering but I used the booster off a 75
on my 71 with 4 wheel drums, it is much bigger as the donor
truck had disks up front. The only difference I found was the
brakes worked REALLY (read light touch on pedal) well. I
normally warn people if I lend my truck so they don't eat the
steering wheel. The change was done at least 10 yrs. ago
and I haven't had any problems.

Cheers,
Doug


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:38:11 -0700
From: Doug Neely
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

Mike,
Forgot to mention the lever the plunger rod hooks to
inside the cab had to be modified, the hole location
for the clevis had to be changed so maybe you
should take the one from the donor truck to be sure
(I had mine made ) .

Cheers,
Doug


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:45:49 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '67-'72 Power Steering, Power Brakes

At 12:31 PM 9/2/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Mike,
>Don't know about the steering but I used the booster off a 75
>on my 71 with 4 wheel drums, it is much bigger as the donor
>truck had disks up front. The only difference I found was the
>brakes worked REALLY (read light touch on pedal) well. I
>normally warn people if I lend my truck so they don't eat the
>steering wheel. The change was done at least 10 yrs. ago
>and I haven't had any problems.
>
If you use a 73 or 74 like I've got, they came with drum brakes and this
may elminate part of the steeringwheel taste. The other thing is they
probably have a shorter pedal on the power units to also compensate for
this. Though mine are none to touchy, think I'm losin the master cylinder
again ... 2nd time in 5 years ...



Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: BIG Socket

"Bill Beyer" wrote:

>Actually most auto parts stores carry this tool, it's usually a socket made
>of what looks like very heavy gauge sheet metal and has a 1/2" drive. Mine
>is made by a company called Lisle. They run about $12-$15. Ya gotta have
>it!

Does this mean I can finally stop using the chisel and hammer method?
Part of my Air Force time (thirty years ago) was spent in the motor pool in
Tennessee working on everything from Econolines to F-600 school busses.
That's where I started using the cold chisel. Ya' know, it's rough setting
the proper bearing preloads that way. 'Spout time for a change.

- -Marv-

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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:58:44 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BIG Socket

>>Actually most auto parts stores carry this tool, it's usually a socket made
>>of what looks like very heavy gauge sheet metal and has a 1/2" drive. Mine
>>is made by a company called Lisle. They run about $12-$15. Ya gotta have
>>it!
>
>Does this mean I can finally stop using the chisel and hammer method?
>Part of my Air Force time (thirty years ago) was spent in the motor pool in
>Tennessee working on everything from Econolines to F-600 school busses.
>That's where I started using the cold chisel. Ya' know, it's rough setting
>the proper bearing preloads that way. 'Spout time for a change.
>
>-Marv-

Hey, quit ruining those axle nuts on that military equipment!
Those things probably cost us tax payers $500 each! O-:=
(now I know what You guys are using the $300 hammers on!)

There's a couple of places around here that sell those big stamped
sheet metal sockets. Napa has 'em, and one of the small local
places (Macs auto parts) has 'em also.
They're pretty cheap, $8 to $20 depending on size.

Steve
Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

All that I needed to know in life, I learned by
killing smart people and eating their brains.


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:19:27 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Diesel swap

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:55:50 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Diesel

Bill Templeton writes: >>Have we any experience and/or recommendations on
replacing the 352 (or other Ford engine) in a 66 F350 with a diesel? Any
recommendations on model of engine (e.g. Izuzu)? What's required to mount
bell housing, transmission, etc.?

Funny thing a friend of mine stopped by to show me the Cummins Turbo Diesel
swap that they performed into a 78-9 Bronco 'bout a week ago. As the sheet
metal is close to the same...
This was one of the best engineered swaps that I have seen in years! The
diesel at least on the outside was the same as the one that Dodge uses in
its Ram trucks. They had to modify the stock motor mounts but they used them
(towers). There were no mods. required to the frame except that they had to
notch the right front corner to clear the AC compressor, without AC no
notch. The Trans was the NV-4500 and it was connected to the stock T/Case.
There was no room for the fan behind the Radiator but the engine thus far
has not needed one. They plan on installing a pusher type in front of the
Rad. They used the big Diesel type remote canister type air cleaner mounted
to the drivers side wheel well, under the hood. The exhaust exited
fenderwell style on the passenger side. All of the accessories bolted on
using the stock or Dodge bracketry.
The Dana 44 was converted to 3/4 Ton specs using GM Spec. breaks, spindles,
Axils, etc. The rear axil I believe was a Dana 60.
600 Lb/Ft Torque will move anything. Not fast but something is going to
move!
So based on what I saw I would say go look closely at a Dodge/Cummins.

CS


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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 18:15:44 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:'65/'66 grilles

I was pretty sure the '66 grille guard would fit my '65... just wanted
to make sure since they actually are different grilles; and, if I
understand the seller correctly, there are two braces that extend
through the radiator support (?) which he says he has the grommets to.
Anyway, thanks Azie!!
To Ballinger: I don't know if you're looking for a replacement grille or
not, but I show three places that have them in '65 style: Autokrafters
makes two; one '64 style they list for '63/'64, and one '65 style they
list for '65/'66. Melvin's classic Ford Parts has the same deal. And
Obsolete Ford Parts Inc. in OK. shows pictures of '64,'65, and '66
grilles, but they have the years all mixed up under each picture.
Doesn't help much as far as part #'s go, huh? At any rate, I don't know
if you needed this info or not, but since you brought it up... :)
Norm
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:01:32 -0400
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Body Side Molding (NOS only) needed

Ok guys I need some help. Since my truck was damaged due to a careless
person I must now replace the drivers door and the side molding. I can
find a door pretty easy however, the molding is something else. I
purchased the complete body side molding at the Supernats for $450.00.
I now only need the door molding. If anyone knows were I can find it
please let me know. I would like to be able to get it within the next
few weeks. If anyone has seen pieces at shows you been to try to
remember the name of the vendor so I can research and find it.
Thanks for any assistance anyone can provide. If needed email me at
garrya bellsouth.net
Garry Bowling 1967 F100 Longbed (Christine) Damaged goods.

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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:19:41 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE t-shirt

This past Spring I mentioned putting together a Ford Truck Enthusiasts
t-shirt. Several list members sent in pictures for the design. Thanks
for the time you took to do this. Unfortunately, due to time constraints
and a lack of artistic ability, I haven't been able to come up with a
design.

I'd like to ask list members to come up with a design. It should show
the spirit of what FTE is all about and no focus on one specific type
of truck. Perhaps 2-3 trucks on the design from different eras. Peggy
and I are going to put together a prize pack (to be announced in the
next few days) and the winner will get the prize pack, along with their
signature in the design.

All designs will be posted to the web site, along with an anonymous
voting center so everyone can vote on it. We'll keep the final price
of the t-shirt reasonable.

Send the designs to kpayne ford-trucks.com. Note in the email that
its for the t-shirt contest. We prefer JPEG (JPG) formated files but
most anything else will work.

On another note, several people emailed me concerning the spammer. I'm
a little behind in my email and will reply to your comments/questions
tomorrow.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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