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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Kentuckians
FTE 61-79 - Message for Eric K Donaldson
FTE 61-79 - Last of the Engine Wars
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto Tranny's (was Auto vs. Manual)
FTE 61-79 - SoCal vs. PacNW truck culture
FTE 61-79 - Product report: Crane XR700 points conversion
FTE 61-79 - Junk Yard Report: All Ford Used Pickup Parts
FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils
FTE 61-79 - 71' F-100 with 40K orginal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils
Re: FTE 61-79 - SoCal vs. PacNW truck culture
FTE 61-79 - doors
FTE 61-79 - doors
FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator
FTE 61-79 - Re: Timing problem??
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator
FTE 61-79 - Rag joint
Re: FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:01:37 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

Dad has a '66 F100, the tank used to be behind the seat, he put a tank under
the truck and made a little box where you can open up the driver side
taillight, with two small hinges on it. Open it up and there is the filler
cap, kinda had to do, but keeps the outside body looking original...

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

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> +AL+ wrote:
> >Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:29:22 +0000
> >From: "Allan J. Bremer"
> >Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >The 65 F-100 with a 352C and a C6 that I just bought has it's fuel
> >tank removed and laying in the bed of the truck. It used to be behind
> >the seat but it was removed and the hole was body worked over.>
> >
> >I'm not sure that I like the location of the fuel tank to be in the
> >bed. I've had others tell me that usually if the tank is behind the
> >seat you can smell gas inside the truck. Is that usually true?
> >
> >Can a tank be placed under the truck? I think I would like it back
> >behind the seat again. Where's the best place?
>
> If you smell gas in the cab, you've got a leak! Fix it.
>
> AS for tank location, I vote for outside the cab. Mine is still inside
> but plans are in the works to put it in a toolbox in the bed, Open the
> tool box lid and fill er' up.
>
> One of the classic truck magazines did an article a year or so ago on
> putting a 85 Isuzu trooper gas tank into a 66 F-100. It's just the right
> width to go between the frames. They mounted theirs behind the axle,
> just in front of the rear bumper. They mentioned that it had a nice
> protective pan that came with it. It wasn't too difficult of a job, but
> I do seem to recall that they had to move a cross-member a few inches.
> They took a fuel fill door off of some other truck and welded it into
> the 66 behind the rear axle.
>
> l8re
> Bill Adams
> 1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
> 1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:24:25 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions

First question is about my cooling system. I got a 460 with a
Edelbrock 750. If im out 4-wheelin' or just fooling around, where im
kicking in the 4-barrels alot, i shut the truck off, the radiator
overflows. I got a big radiator, big enough for the engine. I had it
chemically cleaned because it needed it, but still overflows, also had
the engine and all lines flushed. I figure maybe the water-pump needs
to be replaced? Im not sure considering the engine never overheats,
always run's under 200F. Oh yea, 7lb cap.

Next question, when im idleing the egine runs fine, but when i start to
give it gas (cold engine or warmed up), it misses till about 1500rpm,
and then runs fine, cant figure it out, ive got new plugs, wires, cap,
rotor. Any suggestions?

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460



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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:05:31 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions

At 02:24 PM 8/16/98 , you wrote:
>First question is about my cooling system. I got a 460 with a
>Edelbrock 750. If im out 4-wheelin' or just fooling around, where im
>kicking in the 4-barrels alot, i shut the truck off, the radiator
>overflows. I got a big radiator, big enough for the engine. I had it
>chemically cleaned because it needed it, but still overflows, also had
>the engine and all lines flushed. I figure maybe the water-pump needs
>to be replaced? Im not sure considering the engine never overheats,
>always run's under 200F. Oh yea, 7lb cap.
>
>Next question, when im idleing the egine runs fine, but when i start to
>give it gas (cold engine or warmed up), it misses till about 1500rpm,
>and then runs fine, cant figure it out, ive got new plugs, wires, cap,
>rotor. Any suggestions?
>cannandale

What calibration are you running in the carb? Two possible problems that I
can see. The 7lb cap is too weak. When the engine is running, the cooling
system can handle the heat load of the engine running lean (carb problem).
Once you shut it off, the heat builds up and pukes the coolant out the weak
cap. Figure out which rods and jets (primary and secondary jets) you have
in the carb so we can see how the carb is running. What ignition system
are you using? How do the spark plugs look? What color are they? Is this
a stock engine? Has it been bored? What is the average air temperature
where you are?

Mike

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 15:15:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Kentuckians

Forwarded for: "David Butts iglou"

Lexington, KY

79 Bronco and a 95 Bronco. I know a few others in the area as well.
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Cc: FTE Core
Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 11:41 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Kentuckians


> Okay, ladies and gentlemen, I usually haunt the Pre '61 list, but I
>need to get a message across to more than the people on that list. I
>want to compile a list of all FTE people in the Kentucky area. The
>reason is that I want to get as many of us together as possible to form
>a club that would be associated with the Ford Truck Enthusiasts website.
>This would be a dues-paying club with 2 primary purposes:
>
> 1. To give us all an excuse to get together and talk about our
>trucks
> 2. To help support this web site we all enjoy.
>
> I am not saying I want to preside over such a club, but I know there
>has to be more than just me and Ken Laffoon here in the Bluegrass that
>own, drive, and love their Ford truck(s) enough to be associated with
>this website. Let's get together and hash it out, and do something that
>looks vaguely organized.
>--
>Don Neighbors
> '54 F250 Named Grover
>
> "Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
> innaccesible part of the vehicle."
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:24:29 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Message for Eric K Donaldson

Eric,

Received your e-mail regarding an original grille guard for my '65
F-250, but your return address fell victim to "fatal errors" and my
responses to you were returned. I thought I recognized your name from
these postings (?) so thought I'd try here. If you get this, I'm
interested in learning more. Hope to hear from you soon.

Norm; carey calue.net
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:02:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Last of the Engine Wars

I had the chance this weekend to assist in the reassembly of an '84
460. They are quite an engine. BIG. I couldn't get over the size of
the intake ports on this particular one, huge. There are many things
about it that very well refined, especially the capacity to take 140 lb
ft head bolt torque. Those heads are on there my friend.

I will keep an FE in my '65 for certain, but I can't see anything wrong
with the design of the 385 at all for a truck. Heavy S.O.B. for a car
though. I'd still give the nod to the FE there. My opinion, if you
have a truck that could have had one originally (a 385 series) it ought
be a good option.

An older truck with an FE I think should keep one, because they do the
job just fine too. They are much lighter, especially with an aluminum
intake. And the street application power levels are not as far apart as
they ought to be for the extra bulk and weight. But they are still a
mighty fine engine nonetheless.

I'm impressed, but still FE loyal.
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Waiting for my new heads!
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:11:42 -0400
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto Tranny's (was Auto vs. Manual)

Yea, That's WOT. Not sure what the engine is reving at though, gota get a
tach.

Ken

> Is that WOT? They all vary quite a bit but you can make it shift
> exactly where you want with a few adjustments. C-6's are pretty
> easy.
>
> 78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
> 78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> 78 LIncoln Continental, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
> 9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:14:04 -0700
From: Sean Christian Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SoCal vs. PacNW truck culture

Time for a little truck sociology ...

I just moved from SoCal (Santa Barbara) to Portland, Oregon, and I can't
believe the difference in the number of 67-72 series Fords. My '69 F250
was one of the best Fords on the road in Santa Barbara, but up here, I
can see that didn't mean do-do. There are tons of older Fords here
ranging all of the way from junk haulers to butt haulers.

Has anyone else noticed this? My guess is that it has to do with
emissions laws. When I was getting my '69 registered here in Oregon, I
didn't have to have it smogged, nor did anyone do an under-the-hood
inspection for tampering. Anybody got a 428 CJ that I can drop in?

Dr. Hess
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:22:13 -0700
From: Sean Christian Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Product report: Crane XR700 points conversion

I'm feeling verbose ...

About 6 months ago, I put a Crane Cams XR700 points conversion ignition
on my '69 Ford with a 360 when the distributor went belly up. I know
that a lot of folks replace their old mechanical distributors with
Duraspark units, but it sounded like the Duraspark units had some
reliability issues, so I wanted to go with something else. The Crane
kit replaces the electrical guts and points of the distributor with an
optically triggered system. After you remove all of the guts (except
for the weights), you drop a slotted disk over the distributor shaft,
and then put the rotor on top of that. You also put a small light and
electric eye into the distributor, and when the light shines through one
of the slots, it fires the ignition. There is also a small box of
electrics that you have to find a mounting point for, and I put mine on
the driver's side fender wall.

I'm glad to report that the system is working great. Installation took
me a while because I removed the whole distributor, but if you just
stick to the guts and the electrics, I'd guess that you could do a
really sano job in about 2 hours.

Dr. Hess
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:34:19 -0700
From: Sean Christian Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Junk Yard Report: All Ford Used Pickup Parts

No really, I'll shut up soon ...

I found a fine little junk yard specializing in used Ford pickup parts,
"All Ford Used Pickup Parts," and they are located at 1904 S.W. Pershing
in Portland, OR. The owner's name is John, and he has bits and pieces
to just about any Ford truck series that you might want, and you don't
have to spend the time roaming through the you-pull-it yard trying to
find what you want.

For example, I'm considering a disk-brake conversion for my '69, and
they had disk-brake units and attached I-beams all sitting in a pile for
inspection. They also had the horn button that I was looking for. It
looks like they had quite a few 351s in various states of disassembly,
and tons of other stuff.

I'm not connected to this yard in any way, but I thought it was the kind
of resource that fellow Fordites in the Portland area might appreciate.
I found them in through the want-ads. Phone # 234-5591.

Dr. Hess
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:57:37 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils

My 2 cents on synthetic oil. I've given this a lttle thought, and tried
to be as objective as possible. For what I do synthetic oil as it is
produced and marketed at this time is just not necessary.

Engines from the '60's running much less refined fuel blend and with
lead to filth everything up, and with less refined oil could still last
100,000 miles or more with fairly haphazard maintenence. I believe that
if you rebuild your vintage engine with modern seals and materials and
maintain it the way it should be, and of course we have to run unleaded
fuel, failure due to any kind of oil breakdown is near impossible.

If you work in extremes of climate there be a benefit of some
specific package. But when I've seen a cooked engine even in the middle
of the summer it wasn't because of the oil failing. It was cooling
system failure, and when you lose the coolant, no oil is going save it
that much better than another.

Asbestos suit on.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:51:08 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71' F-100 with 40K orginal

Wow, was out driving around today and spotted a 71, perfect is the word for
it, called it, (had to) anyway older couple owns it and is selling it. 40K
original, not a stinking scratch on it, looks like,... well 40K, it has been
garaged but driven about 1000 per year, if I only had the money. They are
asking $4900. It has a 360 engine, PS, PB and a canopy, the back of the bed
inside has never had anything loaded into it by the looks of it (Not a
scratch) . Damn...If anyone is interested I took some pictures and wrote down
the #

Mike In Seattle
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:52:38 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils

At 06:57 PM 8/23/98 , you wrote:
>My 2 cents on synthetic oil. I've given this a lttle thought, and tried
>to be as objective as possible. For what I do synthetic oil as it is
>produced and marketed at this time is just not necessary.
>
>Engines from the '60's running much less refined fuel blend and with
>lead to filth everything up, and with less refined oil could still last
>100,000 miles or more with fairly haphazard maintenence. I believe that
>if you rebuild your vintage engine with modern seals and materials and
>maintain it the way it should be, and of course we have to run unleaded
>fuel, failure due to any kind of oil breakdown is near impossible.
>
>If you work in extremes of climate there be a benefit of some
>specific package. But when I've seen a cooked engine even in the middle
>of the summer it wasn't because of the oil failing. It was cooling
>system failure, and when you lose the coolant, no oil is going save it
>that much better than another.
>Ballinger
>ballingr ldd.net

Yep. Regular oil works just fine. My dad has an '85 F150 with a 300 I6
with over 210,000 miles and all he ever ran was Pennzoil 10W-40 and
Motorcraft oil filters. It's still going, and going, and going. It smokes
a little on startup, but thats just the valve seals. Nothing major besides
an oil pump change (relief spring stuck open) and water pump was ever done
to the engine.

It all depends on how you drive. It's as simple as that. If you run the
engine to it's max on a regular basis, synthetic oil is cheap insurance.
Heat and stress are the two major factors that break down oil. Petroleum
oil has been around for I guess about a century. I've personally never
seen an engine that failed due to an oil problem, but I can say that I've
seen an engine that was all carbon and sludged up from the dino juice
breaking down.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:01:06 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SoCal vs. PacNW truck culture

I don't know what the truck situation is like down south, but up here in
the northwest, yes, there definitely are plenty of old fords around.
Welcome to town!

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:08:11 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - doors

I ran across a 63 or 64 pickup today. I would appreciate your help.

The following is a description of parts on it and how they are different
from my 62 f350

I say 63 or 64 because it has a PCV system and a 292 V8 (Y BLOCK). I am in
Missouri, and my 62 doesn't have the PCV system (although my 63 car didn't
either).
The wheels are the smaller 8 lug Vs the bigger 6 lug on my 62 (f350),
although there are still split rims. The 63/64 also is called a f250(per
the ornament on the side - no VIN tag I can find), although it was a
towtruck and looks to have the same Dana 70 that my 62 has. The vehicle
also has, what appears to be an alternator, but it may have been added
later

If I can use the doors, I am thinking of making a pitch for the whole
vehicle instead of the few engine parts that I am interested in. The
battery is also under the hood instead of under the floor. The dipstick is
also to near the front of the engine compared to in the middle on the side
on my 62.


The reason I am trying to establish year is to ask if anyone knows if the
doors from this 63/64 will fit on my 62? If so it may make more sense to
buy the entire vehicle instead of just some of the engine parts I want.
While I am asking, any idea on how much something like this goes for - it
is entirely useful for parts only, it is in no condition to be considered a
running vehicle.


Jim Merlo



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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:09:48 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - doors

I ran across a 63 or 64 pickup today. I would appreciate your help.

The following is a description of parts on it and how they are different
from my 62 f350

I say 63 or 64 because it has a PCV system and a 292 V8 (Y BLOCK). I am in
Missouri, and my 62 doesn't have the PCV system (although my 63 car didn't
either).
The wheels are the smaller 8 lug Vs the bigger 6 lug on my 62 (f350),
although there are still split rims. The 63/64 also is called a f250(per
the ornament on the side - no VIN tag I can find), although it was a
towtruck and looks to have the same Dana 70 that my 62 has. The vehicle
also has, what appears to be an alternator, but it may have been added
later

If I can use the doors, I am thinking of making a pitch for the whole
vehicle instead of the few engine parts that I am interested in. The
battery is also under the hood instead of under the floor. The dipstick is
also to near the front of the engine compared to in the middle on the side
on my 62.


The reason I am trying to establish year is to ask if anyone knows if the
doors from this 63/64 will fit on my 62? If so it may make more sense to
buy the entire vehicle instead of just some of the engine parts I want.
While I am asking, any idea on how much something like this goes for - it
is entirely useful for parts only, it is in no condition to be considered a
running vehicle.


Jim Merlo
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:53:31 -0400
From: Bill Templeton
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator

My 66 F350, 352 engine backfires when letting off accelerator. Engine runs
fine otherwise. The carburetor does not have an anti-dashpot.) Any
recommendations?

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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:46:31 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Timing problem??

I didn't catch the whole thread, so I don't know what all your symptoms are.
From what I have heard the Ebrocks are very sensitive to heat. A freind of
mine put one on an early '80s Che*y, and when it warmed up it ran like crap.
He pulled over and raised the hood once and the fuel was literally boiling
in the carb. He put a 1 inch alum. spacer under it and it ran like a champ.
I ran a 600 cfm on a '72 G*C Jimmy, and a 750 on my '68 F-100 without any
problems, both with spacers. I also used a 600 on a 460, but it was in a jet
boat so heat wasn't an issue.

Just a thought


Kerry Walker


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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:56:05 EDT
From: Bato125 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator

Would your timing have any thing to do with it? it could be missing.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:00:57 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils

In a message dated 8/23/98 5:00:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ballingr ldd.net
writes:


that much better than another. >>
Not true. My company has an F-600 with a 332 in it. The driver lost the
water pump about 50 miles out of town and drove it in. And this was during a
hot July afternoon in Las Vegas. He litterally cooked the head gaskets. Well
upon disassembly, we found that aside from darn near every valve being burned,
the motor was still in excellent shape, in fact you could still see the honing
marks (the engine had 50,000 miles on it at the time). We credit this with
the fact that we run Mobil 1 15w50 synthetic. Just another testament to the
ability os synthetics.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:04:21 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F350 Backfires When Letting Off Accelerator

Sounds like an exhaust leak. My dads 88 econoline does the same thing. It
has something to do with the ability of the exhaust system to suck in fresh
air and ignite the unburned fuel.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:59:20 -0400
From: "Kerry Walker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rag joint

I know there was a discussion about this not long ago, but I didn't know
mine was bad so I didn't pay it a whole lot of attention.
I bought one of those HELP! replacement coupling kits, but I cant figure out
how to get the new rubber peice around the pins. how do you get those little
clips off the pins? They do come off don't they?
Can someone give me a quick rundown on how to replace the ragjoint?
Any help appreciated.


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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:15:13 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Couple of questions

go with a higher pressure cap, 7psi is too low, the water heats up when the
engine is shut off.
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 21:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Synthetic oils

>If you work in extremes of climate there be a benefit of some
>specific package. But when I've seen a cooked engine even in the middle
>of the summer it wasn't because of the oil failing. It was cooling
>system failure, and when you lose the coolant, no oil is going save it
>that much better than another.

Just as a side note, running a quart low can add a considerable....


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