61-79-list-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 406



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Looking for a Crew Cab in MN
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Truck Driving Schools
FTE 61-79 - 1977 longbed source..
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie
Re: FTE 61-79 - STEVE VS FTE LIST
FTE 61-79 - Disc-brake swap questions
FTE 61-79 - Re:Mystery Solved, Disaster Avoided
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie
Re: FTE 61-79 - re:How To Remove Ignition Switch?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie
FTE 61-79 - E4OD's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Disc-brake swap questions
FTE 61-79 - Eye and Ear Candy
FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:17:09 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for a Crew Cab in MN

Hello,

We had a brief thread the other day about buying a crew cab. We for anyone
that may be interested and living near the St. Paul Minnesota area (or
willing to drive). I find that it looks like time to part with my beloved.
No, not my wife, my 1979 F250 XLT Crew Cab. I am only the forth owner and
it has only 115,000 on it. Runs great has very little rust (spent most of
it's day in N. Dakota) and has most of the optional equipment. Just rebuilt
the C-6 last year and the 460 still has good power. If you may be
interested just let me know. I want it to go to a VERY good home. Asking
$4,800.00

- -B

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:31:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Truck Driving Schools

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:51:16 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1977 longbed source..

I had the same problem with my 1979 F-350 4x4 here in New Jersey. I called
Desert Valley Auto Parts in Phoenix, AZ....1-602-780-8024 and bought a rust
free bed. Some may say it was a little expensive, but I don't think so at
all. They sent me pictures before I bought it....It looked great in the
pictures (even better when it arrived in NJ!!!) I paid $800.00 for the bed,
and $400.00 for delivery from AZ to NJ. There is no rust.......was never
any....and I would have paid more for it. I know for a FACT that TABCO makes
a complete bed with tailgate. It is made out of thinner metal in my opinion,
because it rusts out too quick. If you buy the bed make sure you get the
tailgate with it, because your original (or NOS) one will not fit correctly!!!
I have seen this bed in person, not to bad looking....BUT rusts quickly if not
properly taken care of. It is a bolt together (like a Ch#) and ain'y half
bad, BUT I wanted a factory original bed. Any questions...just ask!!!
Wayne Grabley
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:25:11 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie

>>3. What does the '2.75 3750lb Ford' mean regarding the rear axle?

>2.75 is the gear ratio,
>ie, it's not meant for towing. You need 3.25 or higher for towing anything
>heavy. I don't knwo what the 3750lb would be, perhaps towing weight? I
>don't have my book in front of me and my 67 doesn't list this.

The 3750lb is the weight rating of the axle.
Ford 9" axles come in several weight ratings. The parts books
usually show one that's like 3200-3300lbs, one thats 3600 lbs, and
one that's 3750lb. The 3750 should have 31 spline axles and HD axle
bearings. I've got the 3750lb axle under my '71 F100 and the wheel
bearings for mine cost something like $75 each instead of the $30 ones
that most of the other axles use. Sigh...


Steve
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:25:10 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - STEVE VS FTE LIST

NOOOO! It's not Steve VS FTE list! Steve loves the FTE list!
I wouldn't drop FTE simply because I tire of the weekly engine
wars, but I DO have to drop some mail lists so I spend less
time in front of the computer and more time on other projects.
The engine wars just makes me think that maybe it wouldn't be
so bad to drop FTE for a while to get that extra time I need.
I thought about it a while last night and dropped 2 other lists,
so that will help for a while. I probably will drop all the email
lists, including FTE sometime in september so i can take care of
other interests and projects before the rainy season gets here.
If I do, I'll probably be gone for a couple months, but someday
when the days are short and the rains get here You'll probably
see me poke my ugly head up and spew forth a bunch of strange
formulas and goofy electrical circuits on to the list once again...


Steve
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:32:55 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Disc-brake swap questions

Okay, I have a question that has probably been done before, but here goes:

I want to do the front disc conversion on my 69 F-100 2wd. I have found a
complete 75 front end suspension, with all brake lines, booster, master,
prop. valve, etc., for $75, (including wheels), sounds like a deal to me.
The question is - I know I can change the spindles out, but what would be
the pros and cons to just swapping out the complete I-beams as opposed to
pulling the kingpins, and would the 75 I-beam dimensions the same as 69?
Also, two fine points - would the 75 springs be a fit for the 69
(assuming engine specs were similar)? Mine are getting a bit soft (some
previous owner put two of the twist-in helpers in one side.)? If I go the
I-beam-swap route, it makes sense to me to replace some bushing at the same
time. I have not noticed any comments of stock bushing versus urethane, any
comment? Any other suggestions for this exercise?

Jim Elliott



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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:11:14 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Mystery Solved, Disaster Avoided

> > They do sound chunky when you dial them in right, don't they? But that's
> > the beauty of them at idle. WHat do you have total, like when you walk on
> > it? You want about 40 degrees in an FE. Mine's timed 10 initial and 41
> > total.

This one especially. This cam idles at 900 rpms to make that 16 hg, and
it takes a minute or two to get up there(what's up with that? starts at
13hg and the needle wiggles a little bit) I'm running 40 degrees total
3000rpms, with 12 initial. I've still got quite a bit of blow-by
coming out the breathing side though. I'm going to try to decarbon the
rings by putting some 20w and a quart of ATF in and running it for a
while. I think that the advanced cam might have been blowing down the
cylinders and let carbon grow under them. If you get carbon under your
rings it will have blow-by and will keep on building it up. Any other
suggestions on chemical decarbonization? I also think that it could have
been detonating a little at >2500 cruise with it set that way. I had no
idea what the timing really was, but could bear a knock at about 55
up(cruising only, it didn't seem to do it under accelleration). It
doesn't do it as far as I can tell anymore. Of course that could have
been the fuel pump eccentric rattling too.

I went for a banzai run Sunday afternoon, running through 3rd and up to
about 75mph in high(4.56's and 31.50 in tires) It hit 6000rpms pulling
strong, but had sucked the float bowl dry on the Q-jet as I went for
4th, had to let it catch up, then it swallowed it whole again. Jeez,
this thing weighs 4800 lbs but goes up to 70 like a car. It will flat
a** run.

My son drove it to school for the first time today, and he said that he
got quite a reaction when he fired it up and they heard that chunkety
chunkety idle. A real happy boy you can bet.


>
> 16 lbs of vac at idle is plenty fine. Is your vac gauge rock steady? This
> means a lot too.
>
> My vac advance diaphragm was popped and I didn't even know it, kept
> wondering why I had to run it way advanced on the hiway. Make sure yours
> works properly. That'll help ya really find some power.


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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:10:29 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie

>
>My title says 1979 but the VIN plate says 1978.
>

..............

Does the VIN numbers on the tittle match the VIN numbers on the truck? If
not, you could have a stollen truck, or one with a lien on it.

Michael


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:41:40 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - re:How To Remove Ignition Switch?

>I need to replace the in dash ignition switch on my 66 F100. I have tried
>pushing and twisting and every combination I can think of, but I can't get
the
>bezel off.
>
>Could someone enlighten me on how to do this? Does the lock cylinder have
to
>come out first? If so, how does the lock cylinder come out?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Don Haulsee
>


.............

The entire ignition switch assembly can be removed by rotating the outer
chrome ring counterclockwise. The ring should have 3 notches in it that are
120 degrees apart. If you damage this ring, I can mail you one that came
from a 68 F250 (assuming they are the same), or perhaps a locksmith could
sell you the special tool for cheap?

Michael
SLC, Utah

69 F250 360 auto
69 F250 CS 390 T18 Posi 3.54


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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:28:49 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hello from a list newbie

I'd be most concerned about the possibility of that to be a stolen truck with
switched #'s.best way to check would be to look at the #'s on the passenger
side framerail. It's on top so you need a mirror. Check those #'s against the
title, if they don't match you've got problems.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:33:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E4OD's

> Gary writes: >>Since the E4OD can be setup to run without the stock
> computer as a retrofit there is no real objection to using it now right?

How does this work? I helped do an R&R on one of these beasts the other
day, they are a beefy trans, but shift control is extremely important or
they will tear the planetary out when they get confused and downshift to
low at 65 mph. That's what happened to this one. Replace the controller
every time the trans is redone. (this one was a Jasper rebuild and still
had the original controller, and two outstanding TSB's that weren't done
when it had been rebuilt ) The TPS is important too. If it's out of
spec, it will shift too hard or too soft. If it's going to work hard
there are some changes to make to the valve body too. The TSB's on this
trans need to be addressed if you get a "builder." They haven't always
been done even when they've been rebuilt. The place that rebuilt this
one for us made a darn fine trans out of it by setting it up to engage
lockup right after it goes into third instead of halfway through second.
The place that did it was Buessick's Transmissions in Leopold, MO. They
are the best I've seen for late model trannys.
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 02:37:18 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Disc-brake swap questions

I'm not sure about most of your questions, but I do like urethane bushings. I
haven't put em on anything of mine, but a teacher of mine had urethane all
over the place on his 77 F-150. That truck handled like a dream. I wish I
woulda had the money to buy it when he sold it.

JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:51:10 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Eye and Ear Candy

When I was at the Street Machine Nats in DuQouin IL this year I saw not
one but two gorgeous 427 Cobras, and a pure stock 428CJ '69'Stang, and a
real '63 1/2 Hi-Riser Galaxie. And I got to hear both of the Cobras run.

One Cobra had a Hi-Riser that the owner claimed to have dynoed at 690
hp, and the other was a Tunnel-Port, each with 2 4 bbls. You talk about
eye candy, this was ear candy too.

The Galaxie had the big hoses running to the air box and a hood blister.
That was one tough looking car.

I will always love those old FE's.

> Saw a 427 Side Oiler w/2 4bbls.,Cobra valve covers & Air cleaner and
> factory cast iron headers under the hood of a 61 F-100 S/B unibody
> last weekend.Could not imagine a prettier engine except possibly the
> blown SOHC I saw in a T-Bucket once.

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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:50:11 -0400
From: "Harvey, Blaine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pilot bearing

My vote is most definitely for the pilot bearing. I don't know of any
standard tranny truck that didn't use one, but then you wouldn't believe
what I don't know. I swapped a 390 from a car into a 67 3/4 2wd once and
asked the same question of a knowledgeable mechanic and he told me the
pilot bearing was a must.



> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:25:54 -0400
> From: "Cam and Wilma Kenny"
> Subject: [none]
>
> I have a 1977 F 250 3/4 ton 4x4 standard trany with bo low and soon to
> be
> powered with a 390... everything is stock except for the 390. do i
> need a....


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