61-79-list-digest Monday, August 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 404



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Wedding plans on a roll :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE vs 460 - enough already!
FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
FTE 61-79 - A/C Hot When Truck Warms Up
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - auto versus manual
FTE 61-79 - tires
FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Setting Carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150
FTE 61-79 - Smoking 460s
FTE 61-79 - gas tanks
FTE 61-79 - gasoline pickup tube
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gary's 460 views :-(
FTE 61-79 - e-check woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 e-check woes
FTE 61-79 - 78 NP205 Transfer Case
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460 again
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Setting Carb
FTE 61-79 - re:How To Remove Ignition Switch?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise
FTE 61-79 - FE vs. 460 (eye candy)
FTE 61-79 - NP-205
Re: FTE 61-79 - tires
Re: FTE 61-79 - H*lp, Please

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:52:15 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wedding plans on a roll :-)

Well the barn bathroom is done :-) As far as I'm going till after the wedding
(daughter's, not mine) anyway. Sink and toilet are all hooked up and running.
Got a medicine cabinet in the wall with matching vainty and marble sink
($99) in oak trim color. Looks real nice (cheap but nice). Room in the
vanity to keep a supply of TP and paper towels and space on the back of the
sink for a gallon of Permatex Orange hand cleaner (cool stuff) (or is it
locktite?). Anyway it's been people tested and ready to roll. Only had one
problem..... Seems like someone stepped on or drove over one of the 1/2"
pipe sections before I glued it all together and when I turned the water
on..........:-( Extra 5 min work to fix that and we're in business :-)

Put $370 of berm mix on the parking area to build it up to the barn floor and
drive way as well as build a parking araa for the boy's bus behind the barn so
they don't run all over my yard leaving tracks. It has really been a productive
week end :-) I'll be gettin a picture of the setup pretty soon. I had all 3 78's
parked in the parking area next to the barn with front ends pointing toward
the road, what a pretty sight :-)


Now all I have to do is get my treasure pile compact enough so the welder,
engine hoist, generator, engine stand and a few other bits and pieces will
stack within the width (depth) of the bath room so we can clean it up for the
wedding reception. Going to use rolled table cloths (240'/roll) to cover the
walls and ceiling (so the shingle nails don't pop all the helium ballons :-)) I
think it's going to work out OK :-)


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:34:56 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE vs 460 - enough already!

From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE vs 460 - enough already!
Date sent: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:54:07 -0400

> else" threads. Every time someone wants to do a motor swap, or build a
> motor that's not a 460, we seem to get some people that always respond
> with "it's stupid to bother with anything that's not a 460", or "why
> bother

So......Steve.....What engine do you have in your truck? Not arguing with
you. I actually agree up to a point even though the ..........Ooooops :-) I
agree that if you want light then a hot 302 is a good choice but there are trade
offs with small engines in a truck. There are trade offs with large engines in a
street truck that's used for commuting too so each application is unique and
depends a lot on the owner as to best choice.

If someone asks about a rebuild then he should get rebuild response but if he
asks which engine is most suitable for such and such a use the sky is the limit
depending on the respondee, but........respondee's should try to get a feel for
the application and be realistic. (not all of us like to play :-))

I have all day to slog through my mail but not everyone has that freedom or
even cares to waste time with it so I sympathize with your comments.
Perhaps the performance oriented should join the perf list....? But we just
had some trouble there too, door handles and such.......darn!

Just funnin but I agree we need to keep closer to the meat and the thread
when someone asks a valid question :-)


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:48:02 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

At 10:25 PM 8/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a '78 F250 with a NP205 transfer case, and it needs some work,
>new oil seals for the front and rear output shafts, plus some general
>gaskets. Nobody around here could even find that it took oil seals,
>Napa said it didnt. A ford dealer i called cant get then anymore, so I
>need to know if there is any place that sells that type of thing..
>
>
When i was having problems with mine I took it to a tranny shop, they said
they couldn't get the parts, but referred me to another shop across town
that had some. You might try calling the tranny shops and see if they can
get the parts, or know who can get them for you.

Bill
Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:48:25 -0400
From: "Matarrtas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C Hot When Truck Warms Up

I have a 78 F-150 that has factory A/C . I just had the A/C charged and
check for leaks no leaks found. For a few days the A/C was cool but not
cold then it just got worst from there. So I notice that if I turned on the
A/C before the truck has the chance to warm up it would blow cold, but as
soon as the truck warms up it would blow a kinda room temperature. So one
day I disconnect the heater hoses from the core and tried out the A/C. Now
it so cold that when I was going to boat show in Orlando I believe the A/C
core froze because the air flow coming from the vents was very slow and by
the time we came out of the boat show there was water still dripping from
the A/C(about 2+ hours later). When I turned it on it was blowing hard like
normal. Wanting to know what is suppose to close inside the box that holds
the Heater and A/C cores to make it where just one flows at a time? Another
thing what would cause the A/C to freeze up? Suggestions would be great.



Thanks
Warren

F-150 XLT 351M LB
F-100 351M SB







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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:14:36 -0700
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

At 08:48 AM 17/08/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 10:25 PM 8/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have a '78 F250 with a NP205 transfer case, and it needs some work,
>>new oil seals for the front and rear output shafts, plus some general
>>gaskets. Nobody around here could even find that it took oil seals,
>>Napa said it didnt. A ford dealer i called cant get then anymore, so I
>>need to know if there is any place that sells that type of thing..
>>
>>
>When i was having problems with mine I took it to a tranny shop, they said
>they couldn't get the parts, but referred me to another shop across town
>that had some. You might try calling the tranny shops and see if they can
>get the parts, or know who can get them for you.
>
>Bill
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
>
You can still buy all of the parts for that thing new (i.e. seals and such)
from your friendly neighbourhood D*dge dealer.

marko in vancouver
marko dsm.ca

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:24:22 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

Steve, I agree with you and ken and everyone else out there that agrees that
this list if for ALL TYPES of engines and trucks. And the reason I joined
this list is that my daily driver(Wicked Witch) is a 66 F100 with a 240-I6
with a 4speed tranny. And I have learned things about all the different
things I could do the Wicked Witch when I do finally get to bring it down
and start her facelift. And Steve, your article about the lights is right
on and in viable in not only on the trucks but on Henry's cars as
well(82LTD)

John Gillespie
email: gillespj spawar.navy.mil

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From: sdelanty sonic.net [SMTP:sdelanty sonic.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 10:34 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460


>Men, put on your baked potato suits. I smell another FE vs 460 thread
>coming.

I sincerely hope not. I'm loosing my patiance with the "460 vs everything
else" threads. Every time someone wants to do a motor swap, or build a
motor that's not a 460, we seem to get some people that always respond
with "it's stupid to bother with anything that's not a 460", or "why bother
to even open the hood and check Your oil if it ain't a 460", or "if it
ain't got a 460 You might as well buy a chevy" attitude. Instead of
getting good advice on how to do the rebuild or swap in question it just
degenerates in to a "460 vs whatever" war.
I thought FTE was a place for people to get good advice about how to
keep their Ford trucks alive and well, not a place to argue "mine is bigger
than Yours"...
I get over 100 emails a day from various lists I'm on, and in an attempt
to reduce my mail load I'm probably going to drop the FTE lists soon, since
the signal to noise ratio here is getting pretty low...
How many times a month do we need to have the "460 vs everyone else"
thread?
Not everyone needs or wants the power of a 460, or the extra 100-200lbs of
ballast sitting in the front of an already nose heavy truck.

How about more discussion on how to get the most out of our motors of
choice
and less junk mail about how stupid it is to do anything but throw a $300
junkyard 460 into Your truck, and all this BS about mines bigger than
Yours..


Steve
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:27:47 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - auto versus manual

Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:58:31 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - auto versus manual

> >To start the discussion: I think an automatic is easier to drive
> >smoothly and quietly around town and on the freeway, but when I think of
> >a truck, I think of gears.

Not sure where the original is on this thread but the responses I've read are
sort of on the money, mostly. I'd like to add that my autos (C-6's) run
longer than the engines and generally get canabalized from one scrapped
truck to the next so they have an un-numbered amount of mileage by the time
they need fixing, easily 200k miles if maintained so longevity is basically not
an issue between them IMHO.

If you haul loads then get the right clutch and band parts and proper shift kit
and modulator settings for your kind of driving. If you drive in the
mountains then the stick may offer somewhat better engine braking than the
C-6 but remember the C-6 converter has a spague clutch in it so it does give
some braking, it does not free wheel on down hills.

With the wide ratio version or the E4OD you have some good choices for
your application and if you do a lot of trailering you will burn up a manual
clutch but the auto doesn't care how much backing and manouvering you
want to do.

Automatics are also quieter and dampen vibration in the drive line better than
a stick, partialy due to the converter and aluminum housing.

I have a manual in the bronco and a wide ratio C-6 in the Pickup. I like the
positive, male, feel of the stick in the bronco but I love the sweet, smooth
response of the C-6 coupled with my 460 when passing traffic. Since my
bronco is 4wd I have 2:1 transfer case reduction which makes backing and
manouvering very easy with no clutch truama but with 2wd and no reduction
you would have to make some serious compromises on highway speeds to
have this same low end, low speed manouvering capability even with a 460
so you really have to decide what is important to you and don't fool yourself
about what kind of driving you will be doing. Keep in mind that even big rigs
are coming with autos now so..........:-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:49:18 PDT
From: "Chad Pasma"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tires

What is the widest tire I can put on my truck?
I have 79 F-150 2wd stock height with
93 15x8 wheels. I think the inner fender of the box
will be the limiting factor here. Can I fit say a
P275-60 like 454 SS? What other combinations
are there that will keep approx the same tire diameter?

Thanks,

Chad Pasma

1979 F-150 Custom w/ 78 351M C6
1978 F-100 Ranger w/o 78 351M C6
1987 F-150 XLT 302 auto all options (for free yet too)
197? White 1370 tractor w/loader (good engine hoist)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Setting Carb

Some of you may know that I have recently put a 390 intake on my 360. I
did a quick tune of the carb when I put it on, then took it to visit my
g.f. Her dad threw a vaccuum gauge at me and said here ya go, now you can
get it all tuned perfect. Unfortuantely he couldn't remember what the
readings were supposed to be, or find a sheet with the listings. I've
never used a gauge like this to tune a carb either, so if anyone could help
me out with some pointers, that would be great.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:10:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150

From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150
Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:25:36 -0700

> I've heard folks on this list say that there's no challenge to makin' a
> bowtie go but it takes brains and imagination to make a Ford go fast. Well
> how 'bout adding a little caveat that says that this doesn't apply to 460s
> since evidently they are the ultimate friggin' motor right outta the
> crate!

Couldn't have said it better myself..........what's sarcasm? Oh you mean this
isn't really what you are trying to say?

You can BUILD anything into a strong engine but you can't just go to the
yard to make power. Most power I ever bolted in was a 429 with 150k on it
for $200. That's pretty good bang for the buck. Rebuilt the 460 to stock
specs but with RV cam for about $1200 and it pulls better and doesn't use
oil like the 429 but it won't rev like the 429 did and runs out of air at about 75
in second (party pooper).

If you want to talk light and powerfull POTENTIALLY then the big blocks
are out of the hunt and the only one that makes any sense at all is the windsor
but if you have a 351M or 400 then the windsor means new tranny etc......

Gosh darn it, pick the engine to suit the application, wallet or
imagination.........of the REQUESTER not the respondee :-)

Be flexible like me :-)

BTW, depending on what you are trying to do the 2v carb makes a 400 purr
pretty well, the 4v gives it a little more rev range but below 3500 rpm or so it
won't make a bit of difference. CFM doesn't come into play till you get
some revs and poping the secondaries before the engine can use the air only
hinders it which is why 2v's often out perform 4v's in traffic.

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:27:52 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Smoking 460s

I haven't read all of the mail from the weekend yet, but...........

My 351M smokes its tires coming and going. I never have knowingly tried to
smoke a 460. How do you light it?

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI EAOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:27:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gas tanks

Al,

I think you asked about the gas tank outside the cab. My 79 has dual tanks.
One of them is above the factory spare tire mount location under the rear
of the bed. The tank fits almost flush with the frame rails so that the
spare tire doesn't even know it's there. My dual exhausts are routed around
the spare tire. I believe that the tank is rated at 16 gallons. The front
tank inside the frame rails is rated at 22 gallons. I, too, prefer the
front tank and always empty the rear tank first after a fill up. You can
get an aftermarket rear tank that holds 40 gallons, but you can't put the
spare tire there anymore.

Good luck.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI EAOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:29:20 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gasoline pickup tube

Jerry,

I never have put in a second tube. I don't have an in cab tank to look at
even. But AFAIK, you have a tube running to the bottom of the tank to pick
up your fuel. There isn't anything special about its location in the tank
other than that and what ever considerations came in during manufacture. I
don't know the specifics, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to
add another pickup tube that works. I've seen people use beer kegs as gas
tanks. I really think that your best overall bet, considering all of the
options, is to replace the tank if at all possible. Something else might
work, but I know that if something I do is to get by, I am never happy with
it. (Case in point: my brakes that I still haven't fixed "right".)


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left door, new left front fender
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI EAOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The software box said Windows95 or better, so I
bought a Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:32:43 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

For all of your drivetrain needs-

Sam Winer Motors- (Drivetrain Specialists)
330-628-4881
Springfield OHIO

I am not affiliated in any way with these people, but they have made me
custom driveshafts, gotten me extremely hard to find parts for my NP435,
NP205 (seals and all!) and just about anything Dana/Spicer you can think of
with good prices. Give them a call.


At 10:25 PM 8/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a '78 F250 with a NP205 transfer case, and it needs some work,
>new oil seals for the front and rear output shafts, plus some general
>gaskets. Nobody around here could even find that it took oil seals,
>Napa said it didnt. A ford dealer i called cant get then anymore, so I
>need to know if there is any place that sells that type of thing..
>
>
>thanx,
>
>cannandale
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:34:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gary's 460 views :-(

From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - carb options, 77 351M F150
Date sent: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:46:35 -0700

> > >since evidently they are the ultimate friggin' motor right outta the
> crate!
> >
> > Noone has said this, except maybe Gary......
>
> You're right, as I recall it was Gary but someone else agreed with him.

You guys are taking this way out of perspective and I'm sure misquoting me
to boot! I don't recommend the 460 for every application but I did say you
can't go to the yard and bolt in any more power than with a 460.......there's a
big difference, darn it :-( I like mine and for me there is no other choice
when I build one for one of my trucks but that's just because I like the "easy"
power it provides, I don't have to do anything exotic to get it. If I want
exotic (and I really do) I'd get a 68 XKE V-12 OHC but since I don't have
funds for that I play with fords and the 460 has just been the least expensive
way to make my trucks go fast.

I have a 400 in the bronco and it may very well get a hot rebuild one day,
don't know. Since I have a 460 in the Lincoln and the Pickup I may decide I
don't need one in the bronco even though my signature says I do........:-)
(besides, I doubt if I'll live long enough to try all the options I can think of or
that I'd like to try)

The way I acquired this disease was the series of engines I tried in my 4x4
van......351W original, 351C......no low end.......429.....lots of low end and
good revs too.......460, won't rev but pulls like a mule team down low. I had
a 302 in another van and wouln't ever, ever, ever have another one in a truck,
ever and if I found a truck I liked, I'd pass it up if it had a 302 in it but that's
just me, I certainly would never tell someone thay are stupid for buying it if
that's what they want. Both my 67 and 68 had the 352/360 in them and they
were pretty good truck engines but they wouldn't rev, certainly not very hot
for passing etc. but they did the job. If I ever get another 67or 68 I will
probably build what ever is in it but then maybe not either, just depends on
my mood :-)

Bottom line is I like the 460 but I certainly don't foist it on everyone
irespective of their needs so please don't accuse me of it in the future, Ok? I
usually take the tack that "if you don't have anything nice to say about
someone (or something) don't say anything". If I can't be nice I delete the
post and go on.......:-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:34:09 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - e-check woes

I had a similar nightmare last time I went to e-check. Fourtunately I had a
human being running the inspection and he would stop the test when he saw it
was going to fail. He wouldn't pass me if it wouldn't pass but he also
saved me a trip to the referee station. Eventually we got it to pass.
From my experience the inital timing was set too low. The CO was way to
high and the HC numbers were close. He told me to increase the timing but
while that would reduce CO it would increase HC. Sure enough it did. After
about three more trips back and forth we finally got it to pass.
I read Steve's post and he had some good points on what raises emissions.
One thing I noticed while watching the test was that the HC really seemed to
spike when the throttle is closed after the 2500RPM no load test. That
would create a lean condition. I'm wondering if it is lean enough to cause
a misfire or if the lean condition causes an increase in combustion chamber
temperature and results in the formation of the HC. Anyone have some
insight?

Secondly the emissions guy said that cylinders 3 and 5 were running at a
lower voltage than the rest. He said it indicated worn rings or valves in
those cylinders. I guess that means that if oil gets into the chambers that
will aggravate the HC production. Makes sense cause if oil is present it
won't burn well so it could "put out" the fire and cause a bunch of unburned
HC to dump out the cylinder. I need to do a compression check and see what
is there. I'm hoping that the compression is good but what can I look for
then? I have noticed the occasional puff of white smoke at startup. I
think this means that the valve stem seals or the valve guides themselves
are gone. If the guides are shot then can I bandaid it with new stem seals?
What is a good way to narrow this down?
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:45:52 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

Just thought I'd throw in a side point. Sam Whiner is where I was able to
find parts for my M-109 REO 6x6. They are a very helpful bunch of people over
there.
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:58:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150

From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460s-was: Re: carb options, 77 351M F150
Date sent: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:03:23 -0700

> Like I said, if slappin' a 4V on a 400 is the extent of your mechanical
> imagination then by all means stick to swappin' in cubic inches. However
> if you took the time to review the HR article you'd see that they massaged
> the 400 to produce 380 hp and 468 lb-ft of torque for less than $2K.
> Sorry, ain't no $700 "built" 460 ever gonna get anywhere near those
> numbers.

How about a $2000 built 460? Lets make legal comparisons here Ok? Go
ahead and make your point but lets keep it in the same ball park. If I'm a kid
with lots of time and no money but I want something spectacular to show off
to my friends then a 460, junkyard swap is a pretty cool way to go but If I
have a good job, not so much time and want to exercise my brain then I
might build any number of other choices with a great deal of satisfaction.

I put $1200 including the original junk yard core cost and new cam into a
basically stock 460 with 4v carb and with 2.75 gears and wide ratio C-6
litterally smoked the tires at 45 mph simply by stepping on the gas and
shifting to second. That's what the old muscle cars used to do too but with
a little fancier engines and a lot more rear gear. Sure you can do better and
you can do it with smaller engines but not for the same money or lack of
attention to detail.

Again I'm not advocating this for everyone just trying to keep things in
perspective. Neither camp is deserving of more honor or praise, they both
have a place in the scheme of things. Let's try not to read stuff into what
other people say, it causes hard feelings and confuses the issues. Some day
we'll have to have a contest to put this to bed and have an outside, third
party handle the receipts (Deacon maybe?) and have two avid builders build
their specialty within the same budget including any swap costs as indicated
and take them to the drags...............:-)


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:08:34 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F250 e-check woes

>Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:05:17 -0400
>From: "PmctBaker"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 f-250 400ci, e-check woes
>
>hello everybody,
> i bought this truck from a widow, so i have absolutely no history
>on
>it. she knows he had it rebuilt, "and there might be a cam thingy".
>well i
>tried to pass e-check and didnt. ***SNIP***

Why not move to Indiana? We stopped inspecting vehicles about 20 years
ago. Not that I'm an advocate of heavy polluters, but to miss an
arbitrary standard by a few points and have your truck become lawn
furniture until fixed seems awfully un-American to me. Oh, yeah, IMHO.
lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci, all emissions equipment intact)
'73 F100 (FT block, no emissions equipment)
'97 Saturn (eco-car)

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:20:43 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 NP205 Transfer Case

Hey Cannondale,

Try Nationwide for NP 205 parts. They sold me a complete kit...

1 800 471-9000

Good Luck!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:32:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

Date sent: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:32:43 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

> Sam Winer Motors- (Drivetrain Specialists)
> 330-628-4881
> Springfield OHIO
>
> I am not affiliated in any way with these people, but they have made me
> custom driveshafts, gotten me extremely hard to find parts for my NP435,
> NP205 (seals and all!) and just about anything Dana/Spicer you can think
> of with good prices. Give them a call.

Tom's broncos also has kits and parts for these out in Oregon as does Jeff's
here in South Lyon. They are both advertised in the 4x4 rags along with
some others such as Drive train specialists etc..


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:01:45 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460 again

> I get over 100 emails a day from various lists I'm on, and in an attempt
> to reduce my mail load I'm probably going to drop the FTE lists soon, since
> the signal to noise ratio here is getting pretty low...

Steve, I sincerely hope that you don't leave us. I can speak for
everyone I'm sure, your imput is a large part of what makes this list
good. There are a lot of issues that find your experience invaluable.
Patience in the face of arrogance can be difficult to find, and some
people will always get a little overzealous about their preferences, but
it will pass.


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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:04:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Setting Carb

Date sent: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Setting Carb

> g.f. Her dad threw a vaccuum gauge at me and said here ya go, now you can
> get it all tuned perfect. Unfortuantely he couldn't remember what the
> readings were supposed to be, or find a sheet with the listings. I've
> never used a gauge like this to tune a carb either, so if anyone could
> help me out with some pointers, that would be great.

You can use it basically to determine the throttle opening at any given
rpm/load setting and make comparisons to "last run" data etc.. First hook it
up to any line coming directly from the intake manifold, before any plastic
doflingys etc.. Now start it up and idle it down to about 500 rpm and adjust
the idle mixture screws and watch the vacuum gauge. if it goes up that means
the engine likes the mixture because it's now running "faster" on the same
throttle setting. As a matter of balance between the two sides you should
start with both screws all the way in, gently and then backed out the same
amount, about 2 turns and then keep them adjusted together, as you move
one move the other the same amount etc..

Once you have that done and idled back down (you may want to re-do it a
few times, readjusting the idle speed each time till it's as good as it gets) then
you can try some cruise runs on the same road under the same conditions
and in the same direction (this is very important) to get some base line
readings. You must maintain a very staady throttle to get accurate data
because the vacuum gauge directly reflects the throttle opening at any give
rpm......or...as shown above the rpm at any give throttle setting. To do this
you need to mount the gauge in the cab where it's easy to see while driving.

Now you can try some jetting changes, timing changes etc. to see if you can
improve the vacuum against the data you have as your base line. It doesn't
matter how accurated the gauge is as long as you use the same one for all
tests and the inaccuracy isn't due to a loose needle but bigger is definitely
better here as you can get a better definition of each reading with larger
needle etc.. :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 14:28:46 -0400
From: "Donald R. Haulsee"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:How To Remove Ignition Switch?

I need to replace the in dash ignition switch on my 66 F100. I have tried
pushing and twisting and every combination I can think of, but I can't get the
bezel off.

Could someone enlighten me on how to do this? Does the lock cylinder have to
come out first? If so, how does the lock cylinder come out?

Thanks,

Don Haulsee

66 F100 Stepside with 89 Mustang SEFI HO 5.0 /AOD
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:16:04 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise

Date sent: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Funny noise

> My truck just starting making this kind of funny rattling noise
> lately. It sound slike two pieces of metal vibrating. At first I thought
> it might be a loose exhaust clamp or hanger, but they are all in place. It
> happens usually at around 30mph or when I floor the motor. IT also seems

We need more input........One guess I would offer is the fan hitting the
shroud or radiator or a part in one of the brakes rattling against the rotor or
drum. Define the frequency of the noise, wheel speed, engine speed or some
other? Intensity, loudness, is there a vibration you can feel as well as hear?

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:30:44 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE vs. 460 (eye candy)

Saw a 427 Side Oiler w/2 4bbls.,Cobra valve covers & Air cleaner and
factory cast iron headers under the hood of a 61 F-100 S/B unibody
last weekend.Could not imagine a prettier engine except possibly the
blown SOHC I saw in a T-Bucket once.

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:38:30 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP-205

You can get almost any seal or bearing replacment if you take the old
one to a Industrial
bearing supply house.

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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:44:54 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tires

Chad Pasma wrote:
>
> What is the widest tire I can put on my truck?
> I have 79 F-150 2wd stock height with
> 93 15x8 wheels. I think the inner fender of the box
> will be the limiting factor here. Can I fit say a
> P275-60 like 454 SS? What other combinations
> are there that will keep approx the same tire diameter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chad Pasma
>
> 1979 F-150 Custom w/ 78 351M C6
> 1978 F-100 Ranger w/o 78 351M C6
> 1987 F-150 XLT 302 auto all options (for free yet too)
> 197? White 1370 tractor w/loader (good engine hoist)
>
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