61-79-list-digest Monday, August 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 403



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK ADDITION
FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
FTE 61-79 - Rad Caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
FTE 61-79 - STEERING COLUMN COMPATIBILITY
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
RE: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
FTE 61-79 - RE: FE vs 460 - enough already!
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
FTE 61-79 - 1978 f-250 400ci, e-check woes
FTE 61-79 - VIN#
FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 f-250 400ci, e-check woes

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:18:53 -0500
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FUEL TANK ADDITION

Also, a rear tank off a newer (1990 or so) Super duty may work. These trucks
have the smaller 34" frame. These tanks are a good 20 gallons and they are
also plastic. I'm planning to get one to put on the back of my '75 Highboy
someday.

Jerry wrote:

> > Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:14:08 -0500
> > From: shane
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65F100, Fuel Tank Location
> >
> > I looked for a year at all the salvage years hoping to find a gas tank
> that could take the place of the seat tank on my '66. Finally, I have
> found one. If you wish to install a tank between the frame rails and you
> want to keep it all Ford, then look for a '85 Ranger pickup with the rear
> auxiliary tank. The width is right to fit between the rails. I
>
> Shane
>
> Do you know what size tank it is...how many gallons it holds ? ? ?
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
> 1970 F100 (ret)
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:11:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

>
> You know I have to agree with you. The 460 is damn fine motor, don't get me
> wrong. But the 460 in my dad's 88 van cant touch the torque that the 410 in
> his truck is making. And the 390 I'm building for my truck shouldn't be to
> shabby either. (By the way my Jacob's Ignition came yesterday. Anyone ever
> use these?) Also I'd like to say that if I didn't need the botom end torque
> for pulling dads houseboat, I'd be building a 302 for my truck. That is one
> tough little motor.

Men, put on your baked potato suits. I smell another FE vs 460 thread
coming.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:25:04 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rad Caps

> Adding the coolant recovery bottle shouldn't blow out the heater core.
> Sounds like it was on the verge of self-destruction to begin with.
> Did You change the rad cap? Maybe the new cap opens at a little higher
> PSI and finally killed off an already ailing heater core.

I've found on the older stuff that a 7 lb cap works well. In fact I
believe that that's what they originally came with on pre 68's. I blew
out my heater core from failing to look at what cap some yahoo had put
on it. It was a 21 lb.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:45:13 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

At 11:11 AM 8/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> You know I have to agree with you. The 460 is damn fine motor, don't get me
>> wrong. But the 460 in my dad's 88 van cant touch the torque that the 410 in
>> his truck is making. And the 390 I'm building for my truck shouldn't be to
>> shabby either. (By the way my Jacob's Ignition came yesterday. Anyone ever
>> use these?) Also I'd like to say that if I didn't need the botom end torque
>> for pulling dads houseboat, I'd be building a 302 for my truck. That is one
>> tough little motor.
>
>Men, put on your baked potato suits. I smell another FE vs 460 thread
>coming.

All I can say is I've never seen a 460 have the "eye candy" appeal
of a nice 427 (especially a 427 SOHC). The saying about displacement
is only partly correct, because there's also no replacement for class,
and the FE has class.

Asbestos underwear now on.....

Ken

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:55:11 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - STEERING COLUMN COMPATIBILITY

From: Jerry
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: 61-79-list-digest V2 #402
> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 12:05 PM
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> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:47:29 -0400
> > From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering column Question
> >
> > Hey Group,
> > I just picked up a 68 F-250 (2wd)that is in need of a steering
> column..the truck has power steering will a column from a 73-79 2wd truck
> work???Or do I have to find the golden 67-72 One????\
> > Joe
>
> Hey Joe-
> I don't know about what year columns are the same, but I can tell you a
78
> F150 fits a 69 F350 . (Been there, done that.)
> There is one slight thing that will prevent this from being a show truck
> in the future. Although the mounting at the dash bracket will line up
> OK...you may have to adjust the height of the column so it wont make a
> scraping noise while turning,....the trim cover from the 78 does not fit
> perfectly.
> You will have to experiment with different trim covers to find one that
> satisfies your level of satisfaction. I've even mated 2 covers together
to
> cover mine. (Work in progress)
Or........you could get creative and modify the heavy bracket gizmo at the
dash so that you can use the newer, different shaped plastic trim covers.
Let me know if you do this so I can enter your name in the contest for the
search for the *Most Patient FT Enthusiast* ! ! !
> Rag joint connection is perfect match...and best as I remember, the
bolts
> holes in the firewall were compatible too. May have had to drill 1
> different hole ? ? ??
> I'll help you with this 2nd week of September if you haven't got it by
> then.
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
> 1970 F100 (ret)
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:34:18 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

>Men, put on your baked potato suits. I smell another FE vs 460 thread
>coming.

I sincerely hope not. I'm loosing my patiance with the "460 vs everything
else" threads. Every time someone wants to do a motor swap, or build a
motor that's not a 460, we seem to get some people that always respond
with "it's stupid to bother with anything that's not a 460", or "why bother
to even open the hood and check Your oil if it ain't a 460", or "if it
ain't got a 460 You might as well buy a chevy" attitude. Instead of
getting good advice on how to do the rebuild or swap in question it just
degenerates in to a "460 vs whatever" war.
I thought FTE was a place for people to get good advice about how to
keep their Ford trucks alive and well, not a place to argue "mine is bigger
than Yours"...
I get over 100 emails a day from various lists I'm on, and in an attempt
to reduce my mail load I'm probably going to drop the FTE lists soon, since
the signal to noise ratio here is getting pretty low...
How many times a month do we need to have the "460 vs everyone else" thread?
Not everyone needs or wants the power of a 460, or the extra 100-200lbs of
ballast sitting in the front of an already nose heavy truck.

How about more discussion on how to get the most out of our motors of choice
and less junk mail about how stupid it is to do anything but throw a $300
junkyard 460 into Your truck, and all this BS about mines bigger than Yours..


Steve
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:44:58 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

you don't need the flame suit - you are right, but then a boss 429 comes
awefully close to the eye candy appeal. and, just about anything with a
big blower on top is definatley hot!

i know it is a ford list, but the elephant heads from pentastar have major
appeal in the looks department - can you say muscle?

sleddog

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From: Ken Payne[SMTP:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 12:45 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

All I can say is I've never seen a 460 have the "eye candy" appeal
of a nice 427 (especially a 427 SOHC). The saying about displacement
is only partly correct, because there's also no replacement for class,
and the FE has class.

Asbestos underwear now on.....

Ken

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:54:07 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE vs 460 - enough already!

i was gonna trim this post - but i felt that it needed to be repeated!
so true, so true.
i am a big fan of 460 (obviously if you follow my posts!) but i also love
FE's and i have respect for the Ms and Ws and flatheads and y-blocks.

when people ask for info about engine choice or swaps or mods, let's not
get into this engine wars thing. i was at it a long time ago with the FE
vs 385 thread but only because of someone's dumb remark that NOTHING beats
an FE. well that ain't true no matter what engine you saying is best.
someone can always build a better something else; and a few people have
proven it too me several times...sshh, don't let that get around :)

hell, why does anyone build flatheads anymore? their heads don't flow and
they have too few mains! but they are too cool to not still build!

enough is enough. Maybe there should be a "no engine wars" rule in the
charter? naw, that would be too nazi-ish.

sleddog

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From: sdelanty sonic.net[SMTP:sdelanty sonic.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 1:34 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
I sincerely hope not. I'm loosing my patiance with the "460 vs everything
else" threads. Every time someone wants to do a motor swap, or build a
motor that's not a 460, we seem to get some people that always respond
with "it's stupid to bother with anything that's not a 460", or "why
bother
to even open the hood and check Your oil if it ain't a 460", or "if it
ain't got a 460 You might as well buy a chevy" attitude. Instead of
getting good advice on how to do the rebuild or swap in question it just
degenerates in to a "460 vs whatever" war.
I thought FTE was a place for people to get good advice about how to
keep their Ford trucks alive and well, not a place to argue "mine is
bigger
than Yours"...
I get over 100 emails a day from various lists I'm on, and in an attempt
to reduce my mail load I'm probably going to drop the FTE lists soon,
since
the signal to noise ratio here is getting pretty low...
How many times a month do we need to have the "460 vs everyone else"
thread?
Not everyone needs or wants the power of a 460, or the extra 100-200lbs of
ballast sitting in the front of an already nose heavy truck.

How about more discussion on how to get the most out of our motors of
choice
and less junk mail about how stupid it is to do anything but throw a $300
junkyard 460 into Your truck, and all this BS about mines bigger than
Yours..


Steve
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:12:37 -0400
From: "Melayne Arnold"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

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From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460


>
>>Men, put on your baked potato suits. I smell another FE vs 460 thread
>>coming.
>
> I sincerely hope not. I'm loosing my patiance with the "460 vs everything
> else" threads.
>
> Steve
> Homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
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I agree with Steve. Personally, I have 460's (or 429's) in two F-250's, but
I tow heavy trailers a lot. I also have a 68' F-250 with a worn out 360
that I'm really anxious to get around to because I've never piddled with an
FE and think it will be fun. FE's, 385 series, even M blocks can be a lot of
fun if that's what you want and if it will do the job that you ask of it.
Everybody gets to decide for themselves what will float their boat, isn't
that what this country is all about?


Stoney>

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:09:54 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460

Right on Steve! That's exactly the point I was trying to make in an earlier
post. But please don't leave the list. We need your input!

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> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE vs 460
> Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 10:34 AM
>
> I sincerely hope not. I'm loosing my patiance with the "460 vs
everything
> else" threads. Every time someone wants to do a motor swap, or build a
> motor that's not a 460, we seem to get some people that always respond
> with "it's stupid to bother with anything that's not a 460", or "why
bother
> to even open the hood and check Your oil if it ain't a 460", or "if it
> ain't got a 460 You might as well buy a chevy" attitude. Instead of
> getting good advice on how to do the rebuild or swap in question it just
> degenerates in to a "460 vs whatever" war.
> I thought FTE was a place for people to get good advice about how to
> keep their Ford trucks alive and well, not a place to argue "mine is
bigger
> than Yours"...
> I get over 100 emails a day from various lists I'm on, and in an attempt
> to reduce my mail load I'm probably going to drop the FTE lists soon,
since
> the signal to noise ratio here is getting pretty low...
> How many times a month do we need to have the "460 vs everyone else"
thread?
> Not everyone needs or wants the power of a 460, or the extra 100-200lbs
of
> ballast sitting in the front of an already nose heavy truck.
>
> How about more discussion on how to get the most out of our motors of
choice
> and less junk mail about how stupid it is to do anything but throw a
$300
> junkyard 460 into Your truck, and all this BS about mines bigger than
Yours..
>
>

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:05:17 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 f-250 400ci, e-check woes

hello everybody,
i bought this truck from a widow, so i have absolutely no history on
it. she knows he had it rebuilt, "and there might be a cam thingy". well i
tried to pass e-check and didnt. the hydrocarbons emission was the only
problem.
now i have done the complete tune-up, and fixed all the exhaust leaks.
runs great, but still wont pass the test. so now my question is, if there
is a new cam in it , what is the timing supposed to be? i have it at 12
before, and it runs rough, i suspect the carb. is shot as well. im
looking for a new bed too. any place make them? rebuild?

thanks for any info
pmike
1978 f-250
400 ci
4x4

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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:24:09 -0400
From: Mike and Colleen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN#

After decoding the door plate on my '70 F-100, I came to the
realization that the truck probably has a replacement door and the
plates were not switched. I did find the VIN# on the frame and am
having a hard time decoding it. It appears to be F10YNDI2I76 or
F10YNDI8I76. The truck has a 360(Y), a 3speed manual w/column shift
and it's red. Can any other info be obtained from the frame #? Any
info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike Gast '70 F-100, '95 Honda Civic (Colleen's car), '86 Mercury
Capri (my old "pickup")



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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:25:25 -0500
From: Cannandale
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

I have a '78 F250 with a NP205 transfer case, and it needs some work,
new oil seals for the front and rear output shafts, plus some general
gaskets. Nobody around here could even find that it took oil seals,
Napa said it didnt. A ford dealer i called cant get then anymore, so I
need to know if there is any place that sells that type of thing..


thanx,

cannandale



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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:22:58 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 NP205 Transfer Case

i replaced seals in my np205,i pulled the originals and crossed the number to
a cr#

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:53:10 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 f-250 400ci, e-check woes

>hello everybody,
> i bought this truck from a widow, so i have absolutely no history on
>it. she knows he had it rebuilt, "and there might be a cam thingy". well i
>tried to pass e-check and didnt. the hydrocarbons emission was the only
>problem.
> now i have done the complete tune-up, and fixed all the exhaust leaks.
>runs great, but still wont pass the test. so now my question is, if there
>is a new cam in it , what is the timing supposed to be? i have it at 12
>before, and it runs rough, i suspect the carb. is shot as well. im
>looking for a new bed too. any place make them? rebuild?


What kind of numbers did You get? Were you even close to passing?

There's sooo many things that can fail You at smog time, but the basics
go like this:

Compression check. Bad exhaust valves send a lot of unburned HC out
the pipe.

If You are unsure about the carb, rebuild it. Make sure it's good and
clean and the float level is set correctly. Idle mix screws should be
set as lean as possible without getting in to lean misfire. If You've
got a tach, adjust the idle mix screws to get highest idle rpm, then
lean them out to drop the rpm by 50 or so RPM.
Make sure idle RPM is reset to spec with the idle stop screw after You
adjust the mix screws.
You don't say what carb You've got, but if it has a power valve, put
a new one in. A leaky power valve shoots HC to the sky.

Make sure the ignition system is in top shape. New, properly gapped
plugs, and usually a fresh rotor and cap. Make sure the plug wires are
in good shape and routed neatly to avoid crossfire. If in doubt about
the condition of the plug wires, replace them.
Even an occasional misfire really trashes the HC numbers, since a
cylinder that doesn't get lit discharges it's entire unburned HC load
out the tail pipe...

Ignition timing is a tough one, especially since You don't know anything
about that "cam thingy". Start with the stock setting or maybe advanced a
couple degrees from stock. I dunno what Your smog man does, but around
here they test for unburned HC at idle and at 2500 rpm no-load. Either
one can fail You. Distributors with worn springs in the mechanical or
vacuum advance can get too much advance in too soon and cause misfire
at the 2500 rpm test and fail You. At 2500 rpm no-load, You probably get
nearly full centriugal and vacuum advance at the same time, and it may
be too much if You've got the correct advance at idle.

That "cam thingy". There's always the possibility that the deceased put
too rowdy of a cam in to get by mr.smog man. Too much overlap trashes
the HC numbers. Do You have a vacuum gauge? It would be interesting
to hook one up and see what kind of numbers You get at idle. Maybe You'll
need to change the cam...
Cams with longer duration can also aggrevate timing problems, because
they often require more advance at idle for a good burn, but if You
increase static advance to get good idle, You end up with too much advance
at the 2500 RPM test.
Creative distributor re-curving can help a lot to get best performance
and emissions from a performance cam, but it can be rather time consuming
to get it right.

Vacuum leaks can cause lean misfire. Make sure all vacuum hoses are on
and snug, not cracked etc. Carb base gaskets good?

PCV. Makes sure the PCV system is working, and the valve isn't all
gackked up with gooey crap. PCV valves stuck open, or cracked leaky
hose to the valve cause vacuum leaks and lean misfire.

Smog devices
Dunno what smog stuff You've got on a '78 F250, but...

EGR. An EGR valve thats stuck partway open because of carbon on the
seat can cause lean misfire...

Thermactor. Got a smog pump? Make sure all that stuff is working properly.

Catalytic converter? Nahh, probably not on a '78 F250.......


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