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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - OVERFLOW - RECOVERY TANKS
FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
FTE 61-79 - gasoline pickup tube
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!
FTE 61-79 - oil/amp light
FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees
FTE 61-79 - Fuel starvation
Re: FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees
FTE 61-79 - Re: Teeth on Cam Sprocket
FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360
FTE 61-79 - RE: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
FTE 61-79 - RE: Coils
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360
FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates
FTE 61-79 - it's alive!...
FTE 61-79 - Fuel starvation
FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
FTE 61-79 - leak from heater area
FTE 61-79 - Dumb transmission question 85 Ranger into 66 F-100
FTE 61-79 - engine color 1965 240 c
FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates
FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
FTE 61-79 - Calling the central Texas FTEs
re:FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360
FTE 61-79 - LOWERING REAR OF '70
FTE 61-79 - Good Afternoon
Re: FTE 61-79 - LOWERING REAR OF '70

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:27:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OVERFLOW - RECOVERY TANKS

From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OVERFLOW - RECOVERY TANKS
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:15:12 -0400

> pressure in anyway....why would you need a pressure cap on the overflow
> too ? ? Jerry 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW 1970 F100 (ret)

Not on the tank, on the radiator. The cap has to have a way to keep the
coolant from coming out the top and hold pressure before leting it escape
into the over flow so it requires two layers of seal AFAIK?

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 8:34:17 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning

Ethan,

All the parts, compressor, condensor, evaporator and such were kindly
donated to me by Stu! The only thing that has set me back was the new A/C
hoses I had built for me that ran about $200. The shipping from Stu to me
ran about $60 and the new bearing for the idler pulley ran me about $20 and
that's having it pressed in. I still don't have the system charged but the
system is ready. So far, I've done all the labor. So I guess to answer
your question, about $280. If you want to put a '67-'72 underdash unit in,
let us know. There are a few gotcha's that I ran into while doing the
change over but none were major.

-Ted
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:53:08 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning

Ted
un fortunately i've been on the list 2 days. So i missed the start of
this. And well i'm wondering about how much did all of this set you back
$?

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:17:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390

From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:07:31 -0700

> From: Gary
> >F-250 that's built for speed??? If you want speed.........never
> mind...
>
> Gary, You've disappointed me. I had to read your reply again thinking
> maybe I just missed 460. :)

What I was refering to was the HD drive train. If you really want a pavement
scorcher then why mess with HD axles which are not supported by the after
market and are also heavier etc.?? Why not (if you are going to buy another
truck anyway) get an F-150 which has all the right stuff to make a nice "Sport
Truck"?

I like fast and powerfull and would like to have a HD, either 250 or 350 but I
use them as trucks and have the extra power just because I like it and to pass
traffic as needed, not to drag race Blazers. It's purely personal and my way
isn't the right way necessarily but If I wanted to race blazers I'd set up a
bronco or F-150 myself that's all. It's easier to do and they can be made to
weigh less for the same performance levels etc. so I was just being smart
(and incredulous) :-)

BTW, 460's rule! :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:43:51 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gasoline pickup tube

Jerry,

I can't remember anyone mentioning this. Did you remove and empty your
tank? It might have water in it. Gasoline floats.

Another idea. If you do have problems with the pickup ti=ube, it may be
easier to add a new one and abandon the old one. From the discussion on the
list, it sounds next to impossible to replace the old one. Just a thought.

- -John

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1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The box said Windows98 or better, so I bought a
Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:08:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice

Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:09:07 -0400
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice
From: forza4 juno.com (Patrick Kimbril)

> See this guy down the road from me has an *about* '75 or so F100 fer
> sale. Ok I don't know too much, it has the '68-'80 body desiegn. I'm new
> to the list. Its only 350 bucks so that caught mine eye.

Virtually anyone on this list would consider that a bargain but it depends on
your position in life. If married you have to have a junk quota ceiling so you
need to see where that is......and determine who has to park in the street to
make room for it......If single (or married) then do you have a shop to work
in and time to devote to fixing it up? Keep in mind that you don't usually just
jump in an old truck and start driving it every day and if you do the day will
come fairly soon that you will have to do some kind of major work on it so
you need facilities for this or be at the mercy of any mechanics or shops
around that will have to do your work for you. It adds up very quickly.

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:12:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!

From: "Dan Neagley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:49:43 -0600

> The article shows an AOD with an Art Carr adapter
> which allows a 460 to bolt up to it.

> Ford SVO) build AODs that can handle up to
> 450 lb-ft of torque. Nice swap but not cheap!

Why waste your money on a barely adequate tranny known for weaknesses
which cannot be modified out of it when you can have the E4OD which is
made for the 460 in the first place? The C-4 could be run up to 650 HP too
but that was for drag racing where the rotating mass was a consideration and
they broke them a lot too I'm sure. I wouldn't even consider something like
that for a 460 myself but TEHO :-)

Since the E4OD can be setup to run without the stock computer as a retrofit
there is no real objection to using it now right?


Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:13:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil/amp light

L. Ron,

You probably have a defective/worn out ignition switch. When you turn the
key to "start" all of you warning lights should illuminate for bulb check.
That portion of the circuit wears out over time causing symptoms similar to
what you describe. Sometimes the lights will flash while you are going down
the road for no apparent reason. The reason I think this is the problem is
because your oil light should not be hot when the key is off. The light
comes one when you have no oil pressure, right? If it stayed hot when you
turned off the engine (ignition), the light would stay on all of the time.
This is why I like guages.


- -John

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1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The box said Windows98 or better, so I bought a
Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:19 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees

I think that I may have answered my own question about crank timing. If
you count the teeth on the gears, you come up with 36 on the cam and 18
on the crank. So that would make for 10 degrees per tooth on the cam
and 20 at the crank.

If I carried that over to mine, that would mean that my tiiming is
really set at 6 degrees BTDC in real crank position if it is off a
tooth, which really makes me want to pull the cover and find out.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:50:39 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel starvation

Jerry writes: >>One possible conclusion is that the tube is rusted.....so
badly in spots that it is rusted through the walls of the tube so that when
the level of the fuel gets below the rust hole........the suction of the
fuel pump draws a little air in with the fuel and lots of bubbles get sent
to the fuel pump.

Theres one other possibility that I did not think of previously ...... The
fuel pump is old and worn and as the level of fuel gets lower in the tank
it becomes harder to "draw" from... due to the added weight of the length
of the pull... Does this make sense???

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:00:38 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees

Date sent: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:04:19 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees

> If I carried that over to mine, that would mean that my tiiming is
> really set at 6 degrees BTDC in real crank position if it is off a
> tooth, which really makes me want to pull the cover and find out.

I guess I'm confused.........the damper is on the crank so is timed only to the
crank. You cannot change that relationship without disassembling the
damper. If the cam timing is off one tooth you should be able to tell some
serious performance problems and the spark timing may make up for some
of it but the spark is timed to the crank not the cam, the cam just drives it
and doesn't care where it is in relation to itself......did I missunderstand your
question?

If your cam is off 10 degrees I would think you would get some back firing
or very retarded acting performance like you would expect from a jumped
chain?

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Teeth on Cam Sprocket

William L Ballinger wrote:

>Does anyone know how many crankshaft degrees one camshaft tooth is
>worth? I'd say it's 16 degrees off. That would make each tooth
>worth 8 degrees at the cam to be 16 at the crank. Anyone?

If every tooth on the cam sprocket is 8 degrees, that makes 45 teeth on it.
NO ODD NUMBERS ALLOWED! However, if you could be only 15 degrees off, that
would make 48 teeth, with 24 on the crank sprocket. That would work. C'mon
guys, SOMEBODY's got one apart, go out and count the teeth for Bill.

- -Marv-

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:34:55 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360

I now what your thinking racing a 22 year old truck with X49,XXX miles
on it but i haveconsistently beat BMW's with her! swear on my live but
there was one time i was almost beaten by a german . True Story

Wwe left to gether at 40 i banged it in 2nd, at about 250 ft. she died .
Iwas like o crap!!!!!!!!! then instantly i hit the aux. tank switch, she
was still roling, i opened the butterflys and she became alive. It
might of been 2 or 3 seconds between the stall and the rebirth of a
legend, but it felt like an eternaty. she came a live and i got him at
the next light and never looked back. True story, I swere on my TRUCK!
I beat 99 % out here, And am the fastest at my school.

Ethan

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:53:57 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:11:06 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES


?
Has anyone successfully replaced a pickup tube inside the tank ?
?.........or am I looking at buying a new one ?
Jerry
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Jerry,
Just an idea from the dark. Could you use some thin wall soft copper tubing
and "sleeve" the inside of the fuel pickup tube? Haven't tried this but
seems if the ID of the original pickup tube is big enough then you could
slide another tube down inside it. If the difference in ID wasn't too great
then you shouldn't loose much fuel flow. Otherwise you would have to have
the origninal cut out and a new one welded in which would scare the hell out
of me if I had to do it.

Good luck
Tom H.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:05:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Coils

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:57 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Coils

Hi all

In the persute of speed a quick gain can be found in the ignition. My
trucks proof, it didn't use to spin the meats now it does. But when i
put the coil in it leaked a couple drops of oil. What this going to do
my truck? I'm seriously considering a new one. But for now its running
great. But altimitly what is the oil purpose?

Thanks Ethan
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Ethan,
Assuming that you meant that the coil was leaking its a bad sign for the
coil. If it was a new coil I would exchange it right away. The oil is how
the coil cools itself and is essential to its life. We used to have an old
Allis Chalmers tractor that had an AC-Delco ignition on it (it ran on lpg).
The ballast resistor went bad and the tractor started eating ignition coils.
First the coil would overheat, then it would puke its oil out, and finally
fail. Happened once while I was in the middle of mowing a hay field.
Tractor shut down like I had turned off the key. Scared me 'cause I thought
I had done something wrong and blown up the tractor (I was 13 at the time).
Did you make any other ignition mods?

Tom H.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:46:49 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360

Ethan Hawke wrote:
>
> I now what your thinking racing a 22 year old truck with X49,XXX miles
> on it but i haveconsistently beat BMW's with her! swear on my live but
> there was one time i was almost beaten by a german . True Story
>
> Wwe left to gether at 40 i banged it in 2nd, at about 250 ft. she died .
> Iwas like o crap!!!!!!!!! then instantly i hit the aux. tank switch, she
> was still roling, i opened the butterflys and she became alive. It
> might of been 2 or 3 seconds between the stall and the rebirth of a
> legend, but it felt like an eternaty. she came a live and i got him at
> the next light and never looked back. True story, I swere on my TRUCK!
> I beat 99 % out here, And am the fastest at my school.
>

What kind of times you running at the track?(just curious)
Chris
94 lightning
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:15:37 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates

I'm looking at some major tranny work before the end of the year, as both
my car and truck are in need of internal work. A couple of those "while
its out" projects developing.

My truck is using 74 running gear (4x4) with a 360 and a C6. I need to
double check myself on the C6, but it seems like that's what it was last
time I looked. Was any other auto available with the FE ? The guy who put
this truck together was a great body man, can't tell by looking at the
outside. Anyway my dad will end up doing the rebuild I think, but I'll
have to supply all the parts and I was wondering what you guys recommended
for upgrades such as shift kits. Is there one that works extremely well ?
I'm toying with the idea of putting a tweaked 390 in it in a couple of
years and would like to have the tranny ready for whatever I may do.

Worst case I can think of would be that I put a built engine in it (400hp,
400ft-lb goal maybe?) and drive it in a foot+ of snow or pull a loaded
hayrack (not both at the same time :). Would the B+M shift improver be
good, or should I go for the whole transpak ? And during a rebuild, do I
need to pick up a rebuild kit plus the kit, or will all but a couple of the
seals be in the kit ?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Bill
Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:47:10 -0500
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates

I have a 71 F-100 with a 390 and a c6 with a shift kit, I bought my shift
kit from B&M for racing, but the also make an application for heavy duty
towing...as far as the 400 hp 400 ft lb, my 390 is cranking out 380 hp and
460 ft lb of torque and the transmission is still together...not bad for
220,XXX


Kingster
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From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 3:36 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates


> I'm looking at some major tranny work before the end of the year, as both
>my car and truck are in need of internal work. A couple of those "while
>its out" projects developing.
>
>My truck is using 74 running gear (4x4) with a 360 and a C6. I need to
>double check myself on the C6, but it seems like that's what it was last
>time I looked. Was any other auto available with the FE ? The guy who put
>this truck together was a great body man, can't tell by looking at the
>outside. Anyway my dad will end up doing the rebuild I think, but I'll
>have to supply all the parts and I was wondering what you guys recommended
>for upgrades such as shift kits. Is there one that works extremely well ?
>I'm toying with the idea of putting a tweaked 390 in it in a couple of
>years and would like to have the tranny ready for whatever I may do.
>
>Worst case I can think of would be that I put a built engine in it (400hp,
>400ft-lb goal maybe?) and drive it in a foot+ of snow or pull a loaded
>hayrack (not both at the same time :). Would the B+M shift improver be
>good, or should I go for the whole transpak ? And during a rebuild, do I
>need to pick up a rebuild kit plus the kit, or will all but a couple of the
>seals be in the kit ?
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
>Bill
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:10:06 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE 61-79 - it's alive!...

my new pulling motor is alive. got a few minutes run time, but didn't want
to piss off the niehbors. got alot to do to finish it off - hope to pull
(and WIN) at warren county on friday!

later.

we now return you to the regulary scheduled format.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:01:29, -0500
From: BBMZ31A prodigy.com ( MICHAEL N BIGBY)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel starvation

I think what you are referring to is hydrostatic pressure Azie. The
height of fluid X the specific gravity of the fluid( in this case
gasoline-.80?) X .433 psi/ft should give an approximate idea of
pressure from a full tank of gas. In this case the hydrostatic head
would be less than or equal to one psi. This does not take into
account length of fuel line to the carb or possible line restrictions
in this calculation. I'm not sure if this would make that much of a
difference. Jerry, have you changed gas caps before this happened. If
your truck is supposed to work with a vented cap and you replaced it
with a non-vented cap you will draw a vacuum on your tank. This could
possibly be the cause your problem if you did replace it.

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Mike Bigby.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:24:45 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES

>Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:11:06 -0400
>From: "Jerry"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
>
>Today was the day I was going to clean out my fuel pickup tube to fix the
>p***-poor performance when it runs low on fuel. So much for the good
>news.
> hat it is rusted through the walls of the tube so that when the level of
>the fuel gets below the rust hole........the suction of the fuel pump draws
>a little air in with the fuel and lots of bubbles get sent to the fuel
>pump.
>
> Has anyone successfully replaced a pickup tube inside the tank ?
>?.........or am I looking at buying a new one ?
>Jerry

Have you replaced all the rubber hoses on the suction side of the fuel
pump?
Even if they look good they could be sucking air. It happened to my 66,
and
it was worse when the tank was low.
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L8re
Bill Adams
1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:49 -0700
From: bertolina juno.com (NineteenSixtyFive F100)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - leak from heater area

Just an update on the message I sent over the weekend about the leak that
was occurring inside the cab from the heater area about 10 minutes after
turning the engine off. The solution proved to be very easy although I'm
embarrassed that I didn't investigate this 1st thing. The old hose only
looked like it was 3/4" inside diameter so it got replaced with 3/4"
diameter hose. The old hose was actually 5/8" inside
diameter....retrieved from the trash and measured! The old hose had
expanded so it actually looked larger than it was. No more leaks since I
installed the 5/8" hose. Of course in the process of leaking, the
original firewall insulation got saturated and came off in pieces. New
molded firewall insulation runs $135.00...ouch. Thanks for your
feedback. Roberta in Tucson, AZ w/1965 custom cab long bed

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:38:45 -0500
From: Bill Adams
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dumb transmission question 85 Ranger into 66 F-100

Anybody know off-hand if an 85 4 speed with o-drive transmission from a
Ranger will bolt up to a 66 352?

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Bill Adams
1966 F-100 Custom Cab, 352 V8, PS, AC, Long bed
1961 F-100 Unibody, 223 and a three on the tree!

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:20:56 -0700
From: bertolina juno.com (NineteenSixtyFive F100)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine color 1965 240 c

> Can anyone tell me and perhaps document the factory engine color
>for the 240 ci six? I strongly believe it was black for only this
>year (the first year for the 240) and then blue afterwards.

The color of the 240 ci six in my truck is blue. The engine is original
(as far as can be determined) with areas that appear to be the original
blue paint. Hope this helps,

Roberta with 1965 custom cab long bed

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:29:22 +0000
From: "Allan J. Bremer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

Hello,

The 65 F-100 with a 352C and a C6 that I just bought has it's fuel
tank removed and laying in the bed of the truck. It used to be behind
the seat but it was removed and the hole was body worked over.

I'm not sure that I like the location of the fuel tank to be in the
bed. I've had others tell me that usually if the tank is behind the
seat you can smell gas inside the truck. Is that usually true?

Can a tank be placed under the truck? I think I would like it back
behind the seat again. Where's the best place?

Thanks...

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:47:29 -0500
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

Allan J. Bremer wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The 65 F-100 with a 352C and a C6 that I just bought has it's fuel
> tank removed and laying in the bed of the truck. It used to be behind
> the seat but it was removed and the hole was body worked over.
>
> I'm not sure that I like the location of the fuel tank to be in the
> bed. I've had others tell me that usually if the tank is behind the
> seat you can smell gas inside the truck. Is that usually true?
>
> Can a tank be placed under the truck? I think I would like it back
> behind the seat again. Where's the best place?
>

I have a '65 F-100 with the gas tank inside the cab. I have never
noticed a gas smell.

I agree with you, the tank should go back inside the cab.......

Floyd Terrell
Mobiel, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:07:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates

Date sent: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:15:37 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Updates

> have to supply all the parts and I was wondering what you guys recommended
> for upgrades such as shift kits. Is there one that works extremely well ?
> I'm toying with the idea of putting a tweaked 390 in it in a couple of
> years and would like to have the tranny ready for whatever I may do.

I put a transgo (I think) in one and it did exactly what I wanted, shif hard and
fast under load and easy when cruising or with light throttle. The rebuild kits
mainly come with seals and cast iron rings for the pump and clutches but
bands are usually a separate item, sometimes not though so make sure. I'd
highly recommend the racing version of the band and a 5 plate first gear
clutch if you can find a kit and while you have it open slip in the wide ratio
SVO (E4OD) kit, you won't believe the differance off the line with tall gears
(for good economy).

My next C-6 rebuild will have good racing band parts in it and a median shift
kit (RV). I cut the band on the last one I did but you risk having the friction
material peel off when you do that so I don't think I'll do it again, I'll buy one
made for fast shifts in the first place.

Tell your dad not to open the valve body unless he has a good pictorial
instruction for the check balls. There are 4 (as I recall) and no way you can
tell where they go without a picture.

Pay very close attention to keeping EVERYTHING clean especially the
governor. The floating piston will gall very easily and once it does you can't
fix it, you have to buy a new one.

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

- -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:29:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

> Allan J. Bremer [fone safeweb.net] wrote:
I'm not sure that I like the location of the fuel tank to be in the
bed. I've had others tell me that usually if the tank is behind the
seat you can smell gas inside the truck. Is that usually true?

I would definitely take it out of the bed! Whats the point in having a truck if you
cant load the bed up with stuff from the wrecking yard / home improvement store /
camping gear ....?

I've heard lots of people say they can smell gas, and lots of people say they can't.
Mine is in the cab and I haven't noticed any smell while working on it (I haven't
been driving it since I got it).

I have heard some claim that it can be a safety hazard if the tank leaks from the
cab onto hot exhaust components.

I want to move the tank from my 66 to underneath as the extra space behind the
seat can be pretty useful for keeping tools, jumper cables, etc.

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:36:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling the central Texas FTEs

Is there any interest in the FTEs in the central Texas area meeting labor day
weekend? It seems there are a few Austin subscribers, a San Antonio
subscriber, and I'm in Houston. I am going to Ausitn for the UT game labor day
weekend and wondered if some of ya'll want to meet for a while Saturday
morning. Nothing formal, just oww and ahh over each other's FTs, maybe get a
few ideas from each other.

Bryan

66 F100 Stepside


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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 9:52:30 -0400
From: "Donald R. Haulsee"
Subject: re:FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

Moving the gas tank probably wouldn't be too difficult for a Fleetside bed.
The mid to late 70's already have tanks out of the cab. For a step side
truck, the problem is where to put the fill spout.

I looked into this for the 5.0 SEFI conversion on my 66 stepside and didn't
see an easy way short of custom making a LOT OF STUFF. I also didn't want
the tank outside of the frame rails for safety reasons. I finally settled on
using a low pressure and high pressure pump set and left the tank in the cab.

I agree that it would be nice to have the area behind the seat available for
tool storage and such.

By the way, I have never noticed a fuel odor to speak of, but then, SWMBO says
I cant't smell anything anyway.

Don Haulsee

66 F100 5.0 SEFI HO / AOD
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:15:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Date sent: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:29:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100, Fuel Tank Location

> I'm not sure that I like the location of the fuel tank to be in the
> bed. I've had others tell me that usually if the tank is behind the
> seat you can smell gas inside the truck. Is that usually true?

Tank location has been discussed but based on racing rules I would venture
to guess that inside the rails in the center of the truck is the safest.

Racing rules universally require that no line or tank can be within the driver
compartment and 1/16" steel plate must separate the driver from the tank
compartment and must be fully welded in, solid to seal it. The tank must be
located above the rear axle and as far forward as possible without entering
the driver compartment which usually means over the axle hump.

You can't locate it over the axle hump in a truck but near the center of the
vehicle is the least likely place for it to be damaged in a crash, which just
makes sense if you think about it.

OTOH, I've never heard of any problems with the tank in the cab in the ford
trucks so is probably not really a concern. If it is then you can weld in a
steel plate like the racers do and be fairly confident it will protect you nearly
as well as the floor would. Course that's a lot of work......:-)

Don't recall ever smelling gas in the two I had :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

- -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:32:12 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Prevails again! 360

Thanks for your message at 11:34 AM 8/12/98 PDT, Ethan Hawke. Your message
was:
>I now what your thinking racing a 22 year old truck with X49,XXX miles
>on it but i haveconsistently beat BMW's with her! swear on my live but
>there was one time i was almost beaten by a german . True Story
>
>Wwe left to gether at 40 i banged it in 2nd, at about 250 ft. she died .
>Iwas like o crap!!!!!!!!! then instantly i hit the aux. tank switch, she
>was still roling, i opened the butterflys and she became alive. It
>might of been 2 or 3 seconds between the stall and the rebirth of a
>legend, but it felt like an eternaty. she came a live and i got him at
>the next light and never looked back. True story, I swere on my TRUCK!
>I beat 99 % out here, And am the fastest at my school.

I hope it's a school with some good remedial spelling and grammar classes!
Dennis L. Pearson
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:45 -0400
From: "Rogers"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LOWERING REAR OF '70

Gentlemen, I want to lower my 1970 F100 and many of the articles I've seen
speak of rear axle "flip kits". Please excuse my ignorance on this but what
is involved in flipping an axle? Is the axle just flipped on top of
springs, or is it flipped about the axis parallel to the driveshaft? Does
"flipping" have any adverse affects on suspension geometry? Is this the
right forum?

Regards,
Rogers
rbmii msn.com




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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:49:48 -0400
From: "David M. Ackerschott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good Afternoon

Hello All I have a questions that i was told maybe one of you might be
able to help me out, I took the tag of the 9" rear end, i am trying to
figure out what the ratio is to see if i should replace it or keeps it
the truck has a 351Cleveland and a C4 transmissions, i am looking for a
good ration for highway in town ect... but i would like to have a little
fun also.

the tag reads: WDM-T 8MA
3.50 8 7311A

any help would be greatly appreciated!!
thanks david
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:09:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - LOWERING REAR OF '70

From: "Rogers"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LOWERING REAR OF '70
Date sent: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:32:45 -0400

> Gentlemen, I want to lower my 1970 F100 and many of the articles I've
> seen speak of rear axle "flip kits". Please excuse my ignorance on this
> but what is involved in flipping an axle? Is the axle just flipped on top
> of springs, or is it flipped about the axis parallel to the driveshaft?
> Does "flipping" have any adverse affects on suspension geometry? Is this
> the right forum?

Well, could be but we don't usually get into lowering that much, most of us
want to go the other way :-) There are some problems with flipping the axle.
The differential pinion shaft and bearings are lubed through holes in the....


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