61-79-list-digest Wednesday, August 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 398



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Radiator overflow bottles
FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
FTE 61-79 - 66 F100
FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels
FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning
FTE 61-79 - Lightning Rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning
FTE 61-79 - heater core and recovery bottle
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Lightning Rims
FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
FTE 61-79 - Coils
FTE 61-79 - re:Preferred Engines (Was 360/390 Thread)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Coils
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!
Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!
FTE 61-79 - SEAT BELTS
FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice
FTE 61-79 - TOPLOADER SALE MAKES MAN SICK
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice
FTE 61-79 - W/SHIELD MLDGS & RADIATOR
FTE 61-79 - A4OD & OVERDRIVE TRANNYS
FTE 61-79 - Question on FE clutch size??
FTE 61-79 - OVERFLOW - RECOVERY TANKS
FTE 61-79 - Fw: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
Re: FTE 61-79 - TOPLOADER SALE MAKES MAN SICK
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:05:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: hurdj VAX.CS.HSCSYR.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Radiator overflow bottles

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Hogan, Tom wrote:

> Anyone retrofit one of our trucks with an overflow bottle?

Tom, I have had one on my '79 F-150 for 19 years! The original
heater core lasted 18 years.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:11:06 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES

Today was the day I was going to clean out my fuel pickup tube to fix the
p***-poor performance when it runs low on fuel. So much for the good
news.
Here is what I found:
.......Nada.......Nima.......Zip .........Zilch.......absolutely
Nuttin Honey ! ! ! ! ! The probes that I put down the tube went down
cleanly, effortlessly...all the way to the bottom.
No muffled sound to indicate a filter material, no friction to indicate a
partial plugging going on, nothing ! ! ! Just a nice clean metal-to-metal
sound of the probe on the tank bottom.
Therefore.........this tells me that my trouble is not a plugged line.
Right ? ? ? ? ? OK, now what ?
One possible conclusion is that the tube is rusted.....so badly in spots
that it is rusted through the walls of the tube so that when the level of
the fuel gets below the rust hole........the suction of the fuel pump draws
a little air in with the fuel and lots of bubbles get sent to the fuel
pump.
Inside of tanks rust, right ? ? ? Why cant the inlet pipe also rust? ? ?
Does it sound right that it can rust so bad as to develop holes it it ? ?
?
Has anyone successfully replaced a pickup tube inside the tank ?
?.........or am I looking at buying a new one ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:23:47 PDT
From: "L Ron Hoover"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100

Hello, my little 66 "project" has an interesting little quirk. After
driving it short while, if I turn off the key, the Alt and Oil lights on
the dash will flash intermittently for a few minutes. Can anyone tell me
what causes this?

L Ron Hoover
66 Ford F100
88 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
93 Ford Ranger
and a very tired 84 Honda Accord


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:35:44 -0700
From: Ingeborg Small
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels

Does anyone know if late-model F-150 Lightning wheels (17" beauties)
will fit on a '65 F-100. If so, I'll start looking in earnest for a
used set.

Glenn
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:39:54 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels

Ingeborg Small wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if late-model F-150 Lightning wheels (17" beauties)
> will fit on a '65 F-100. If so, I'll start looking in earnest for a
> used set.
>
> Glenn
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I dont see why they would not...if you are interested I will ask on the
Lightning list. The problem is you hardly ever find any for sale...yeah
some people put diffferent wheels on there Lightnings but usuallly want
to kind the stock parts too! I know I would never sell mine but will ask
if you would like.
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 8:44:37 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning

Thanks Marv,

I've installed all of the components myself. After cleaning and polishing
everything (those old brass fittings shine like a mirror), I did all of the
pre-charge performance test on the system. I put in new refregerant oil
compatible with R-12 checked the compressor Clutch signal and made sure the
clutch "clicked" into place. I have not put a belt on it yet. My next step
is to take the truck to a friend that works in the auto A/C business and let
him pull a vacuum on the system to make sure its tight and change any seals
I botched when putting it together. (I had new hoses made that has a R-12
barrier in it and bought new seals). Once this is done, I'm putting on a
new belt and having the system evacutaed and have the system fully charged
with R-12 and hope to be blowing cold air. I looked at going to R-134a, but
after going to www.aircondition.com chose to stay with R-12. The cost of
changing all of the necessary components did not counter the cost of R-12 to
have any savings.(if I put this together properly, I should not have to
change the system out again. I hope anyway). Thanks for the response and
sharing the great info with the list. This is a good place to be!

-Ted
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:02:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning

Ted wrote:

>The only thing left right now to do is
>charge her up with cold blowing R12. I split the case on her, put in a new

>heater core, repainted all the metal with a high solids paint, polished
>everything else. That A/C unit looks good as new. Ran all the electrical
>checks according to the manual and everything is a go! Just have to buy
>that R12.

Don't forget to add any necessary refrigeration oil and to use your ol'
trusty vacuum pump to completely evacuate all the air and moisture from the
internals of the system before you dump R-12 back into the system. I don't
know whether or not you do refrigeration work, so I don't know whether or
not I'm only "preaching to the choir". If you're unfamiliar with that to
which I'm referring, get some local A/C help before charging the system.
Pulling and holding a vacuum will also help you spot a problem that will
turn out to be a refrigerant leak when you're through.

- -Marv-
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:32:38 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lightning Rims

Yes, Lightning rims will fit your truck, In fact, the rims off any pre 97 5
lug ford will fit. It's the 97 and after that Ford decided to change the lug
pattern. It all has something to do with the fact that 97's do not use Shank
Lugnuts, or Acorns. The wheel is centered using an O-Ring in the center.
Kind of a screwball setup if you ask me.

JUMPINFORD
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:45:52 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390

Bill

My trucks got a lot of miles on it it's a stock 360. Wouyld it be wirth
it to put a high performance/street manifold on it with a 4 barrel or
should i just get a different engine which would also dictate a new a
different truck. Right now i'm just looking for speed. IT's fast now
but there are some blazers that get the best of me. Or if i get a
manifold similar to yours. Well it be a distinct hp increase?

Ethan
76 f250
360 C6

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:53:08 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ref: Ted's Air Conditioning

Ted
un fortunately i've been on the list 2 days. So i missed the start of
this. And well i'm wondering about how much did all of this set you back
$?

Ethan

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:53:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - heater core and recovery bottle

Tom,

When my heater core blew, I was driving down the road at 45 mph. It gave no
warning or signs of failure, I just suddenly had a floorboard full of
antifreeze. Luckily I was by myself (SWMBO -She Who Must Be Obeyed -
doesn't like wet feet) and still had rubber floormats. Chances are that it
was time for your core to split and was not related to the recovery bottle.
My truck has been running an aftermarket recovery bottle almost since it
was new (79) and the original heater core didn't fail until April of this
year. I don't remember what year your truck is, but the 79's with air are
pure h %% to replace the heater core. I'm glad it's done, though. With my
new radiator and freeze plug, my cooling system should be able to handle
any pressure applied to it.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, bashed in left side, but not for long.
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI AOD
Macintosh G3/233 minitower (The box said Windows98 or better, so I bought a
Mac.)
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:08:50 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390

>My trucks got a lot of miles on it it's a stock 360. Wouyld it be wirth
>it to put a high performance/street manifold on it with a 4 barrel or
>should i just get a different engine which would also dictate a new a
>different truck. Right now i'm just looking for speed. IT's fast now
>but there are some blazers that get the best of me. Or if i get a
>manifold similar to yours. Well it be a distinct hp increase?

The bottom end of my truck has a LOT of miles on it, the top end was
rebuilt with hardened valve seats (great idea for those pre catalytic
trucks!) and such a few years and probably 25000 miles ago. My tranny is
leaking a little and hence slipping a little, so I can't tell if the bottom
end has picked up much, but the top end I noticed I've got a lot more left
at 65 than I used to have. If you're just looking for speed, and can
afford it, I'd probably suggest a nice aftermarket aluminum. 2 reasons ...
1) you can spec it for the hp you want to run, and you know exactly what
its designed for and 2) it can save A LOT of weight and back ache if you
try this yourself. If you're running a 4x4, the extra weight is not as big
an issue to the truck (your back, but not the truck), but if you're running
a 2wd it might be a consideration.



Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:37:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Lightning Rims

From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:32:38 EDT
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lightning Rims

> not use Shank Lugnuts, or Acorns. The wheel is centered using an O-Ring
> in the center. Kind of a screwball setup if you ask me.

Not from a machining or fixturing standpoint. By using the center
exclusively for locating the wheel you eliminate the need for precision
equipment for drilling the lug holes. Cast wheels can now be turned from the
center hole which is cast in perfectly with a special hub pin which leaves the
hole perfectly shaped and smooth, finished. Steel welded wheels can be
fixtured very accurately from the center hole which is punched out on a press
to exact dimensions and again the lug holes can then be drilled over size or
punched in and location is no longer critical although punching them is a very
simple and accurate way to do it. This still appears to be a cost saveing
measure to me. Sometimes the savings in cost is measured in portions of a
penny and cost of tooling is ammortized over a fairly long production cycle
but it keeps the engineers and accountants happy to have a problem to solve
and stock holders as well to know that they just saved $0.02345 per car or
wheel etc..

The other factor is "Planned obsolecence"

Please refer to my signature :-(

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:00:50 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390

SNIP

> FYI a 360 and a 390 are almost the same engine, just the crank is
>different (longer stroke) and the pistons too, (oh yeah, and the
>connecting rods). Basically the 360
>is a 4.05" bore and a 3.5" stroke, the 390 is a 4.05" bore and a
>3.784"
>stroke. Same block, same everything else.
>
>>
>
The 360 uses a long rod (6.540" center-to-center) same as 332, 352, 361
Edsel, and late 330 FT engines. The 390 uses the short rod found in most
other FE/FTs (6.488"). 360 pistons have a higher compression height and
a full skirt vs. a slipper skirt (for rod clearance) on the 390. Steve
Christ covers the subject of parts interchange in depth.
>
SNIP

>Lastly, what 4 spd manual would bolt in, could a 5spd from a new truck
>be
>used? I understand that the driveshaft would have to be shortened.
>
>
>and
>different from the 302/351 and 429/460s.

Didn't someone on the list say that the FE bolt pattern matches the
240/300 6-cyl pattern? Or is that the Windsor pattern that matches the
6? Ya know, the new "modular motor" concept is starting to sound like a
really good idea... lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (mystery FT block)
'97 Saturn (She Who Must Be Obeyed's car)

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:53:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390

Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:00:50 -0500
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)

> Didn't someone on the list say that the FE bolt pattern matches the
> 240/300 6-cyl pattern? Or is that the Windsor pattern that matches the 6?

I believe the reason the 240 --> FE swap is so easy is the engine mounts not
the tranny. AFAIK the FE has a unique tranny flange?

> Ya know, the new "modular motor" concept is starting to sound like a
> really good idea... lordjanusz

You can bet they didn't use any of the existing tranny flange patterns in the
process either........:-( Planned obsolecence :-(

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:57 PDT
From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Coils

Hi all

In the persute of speed a quick gain can be found in the ignition. My
trucks proof, it didn't use to spin the meats now it does. But when i
put the coil in it leaked a couple drops of oil. What this going to do
my truck? I'm seriously considering a new one. But for now its running
great. But altimitly what is the oil purpose?

Thanks Ethan

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 15:26:54 -0400
From: "Donald R. Haulsee"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:Preferred Engines (Was 360/390 Thread)

> Didn't someone on the list say that the FE bolt pattern matches the
> 240/300 6-cyl pattern? Or is that the Windsor pattern that matches the 6?

The 240/300 pattern matches the small block V8 pattern. That's the 302 and
351 Windsor. You can drop a small block V8 in and use the existing engine
supports with only '69 302 mounts. The trans mount bolts up.

> Ya know, the new "modular motor" concept is starting to sound like a
> really good idea... lordjanusz

I personally like the idea of dropping a late model Mustang 5.0 HO SEFI engine
in. I finished my 66 F100 several weeks ago and love it. I put an 89 5.0
with an AOD in and kept it fuel injected. 300 LB-FT of torque with all
accessories and exhaust system 3200 rpm. 18-20 miles per gallon on mixed
highway/city driving.

If the stock 225 Hp is not enough then there are TONS of go fast goodies that
will bolt right on from the Mustang crowd.

While the 5.0's are essentially out of production, they are the performance
engine of the late 80's and 90's. The Mustang people are dropping tweaked
351W's with SEFI into their cars now. Can you say 350 Hp at the rear wheels?

Don Haulsee
85 Capri 5.0 RS (RIP)
86 TurboCoupe 5 spd 18 psi BOOST
87 Merkur XR4Ti
66 F100 with 5.0 SEFI AOD (Article Coming)

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:26:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Coils

From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Coils
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:08:57 PDT

> In the persute of speed a quick gain can be found in the ignition. My
> trucks proof, it didn't use to spin the meats now it does. But when i put
> the coil in it leaked a couple drops of oil.

The coil leaked or the truck leaked? If the coil then you may have a defective
coil. They are generally filled with oil as a heat disipater and are sealed by
rolling the edge of the can over the end cap. If the seal is defective it will
continue to leak and eventually fail. I'd take it back for a warantee just to be
safe.

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:37:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100

From: "L Ron Hoover"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 F100
Date sent: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:23:47 PDT

> Hello, my little 66 "project" has an interesting little quirk. After
> driving it short while, if I turn off the key, the Alt and Oil lights on
> the dash will flash intermittently for a few minutes. Can anyone tell me
> what causes this?

Does it have an electric fan?

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:48:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390

From: "Ethan Hawke"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
Date sent: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:45:52 PDT

> My trucks got a lot of miles on it it's a stock 360. Wouyld it be wirth
> it to put a high performance/street manifold on it with a 4 barrel or
> should i just get a different engine which would also dictate a new a
> different truck.

Splain why a new engine demands a new truck?

> Right now i'm just looking for speed. IT's fast now but
> there are some blazers that get the best of me. Or if i get a manifold
> similar to yours. Well it be a distinct hp increase?

F-250 that's built for speed??? If you want speed.........never mind...the 250
can go fast but not with an old motor. If you freshen up the top end and
drive like it sounds like you plan to drive you will only embarass yourself one
day when the rods are all sticking out the side of the block......not a pretty
picture :-(

360's aren't noted for lots of revs or power either one in stock form but
certainly can be made strong with enough money but I wouldn't waste good
money on an old motor without going through it unless you want to start
building some pieces that you can use after the rebuild such as intakes, carbs
and ignition etc.. Just remember while you are adding all these parts that you
are asking a lot of the engine until it's rebuilt :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
that did away with the Steed
Visteon, Delphi..........:-(

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:05:56 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Crank Degrees

Does anyone know how many crankshaft degrees one camshaft tooth is
worth? I'm going to pull my front cover and find out how it's timed.
I'm just curious how many crank degrees difference being a tooth off
will make. (if it is) From where I have it firing (25 degrees BTDC on
the balancer) I'd say it's 16 degrees off. That would make each tooth
worth 8 degrees at the cam to be 16 at the crank. Anyone?
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:07:31 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390

From: Gary
>F-250 that's built for speed??? If you want speed.........never
mind...

Gary, You've disappointed me. I had to read your reply again thinking
maybe I just missed 460. :)

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:49:43 -0600
From: "Dan Neagley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!

In the Jan. '98 issue of 4x4 Power (OK, I'm a slow
reader) there is an article on transmission swaps.
The article shows an AOD with an Art Carr adapter
which allows a 460 to bolt up to it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.artcarr.com lists the adapter. It is not
cheap; ~$420.00.

This article also mentions an SVO lower gearset
for the AOD, 2.84 1st (2.40 stock) 1.47 1.00
and .67 4th.
Art Carr and others (Premier Performance and
Ford SVO) build AODs that can handle up to
450 lb-ft of torque. Nice swap but not cheap!

Dan (ABQ NM USA)
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:31:51 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AOD + 460 = Nice!

Dan Neagley wrote:
>
> In the Jan. '98 issue of 4x4 Power (OK, I'm a slow
> reader) there is an article on transmission swaps.
> The article shows an AOD with an Art Carr adapter
> which allows a 460 to bolt up to it.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.artcarr.com lists the adapter. It is not
> cheap; ~$420.00.
>
> This article also mentions an SVO lower gearset
> for the AOD, 2.84 1st (2.40 stock) 1.47 1.00
> and .67 4th.
> Art Carr and others (Premier Performance and
> Ford SVO) build AODs that can handle up to
> 450 lb-ft of torque. Nice swap but not cheap!

The guys on the Lightning list like Level 10 in New Jersey I think. I
don't have a lot of mods but alot of Lightning owners do. From
superchargers to nitrous, to stroker motors they have beem able to
supply E4OD to accomodate! I personally have a few mild mods exhaust,
timing advanced, K&N and have had no problems with my E4OD. Are motors
stock put out 340LBS of torque! For those of you serious about this let
me know and I will find Level 10's number and web page if interested!
Chris
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:21:59 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SEAT BELTS

> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:12:36 -0400
> From: Mike and Colleen
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Seatbelt followup
>
> I found a set of belts that should work. They are from an 80's CJ. They
seem long enough and are relatively clean. I will have to make a bracket
for the retractor though, as J**P mounts it on the roll bar.
Thanks for your help Jerry. BTW, what vehicle did your most recent set
come from?

> Thanks,
> Mike

For some unknown reason, I can't remember what I got them from. Usually I
remember every single part I change and in fact even keep a master log of
swap info in case CRS sets in big time .
I think it may have been a early 80's F150.....but not sure. Probably
don't remember because while I was pulling the parts, I was planning to
upgrade them to a better looking set someday.
Thanks for inquiring about SWMBO. I was wondering about that myself. How
about

> Also, to the group, what does swmbo mean? I understand, from context,
that it refers to ones wife/girlfriend, but what's the actual meaning?

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:09:07 -0400
From: forza4 juno.com (Patrick Kimbril)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice

See this guy down the road from me has an *about* '75 or so F100 fer
sale. Ok I don't know too much, it has the '68-'80 body desiegn. I'm new
to the list. Its only 350 bucks so that caught mine eye. It has been used
as a truck was intended to be used, it has scratches and all. The body,
overall, is good shape, faded paint, but little. I.e., no show winner but
a good, solid truck. The only thing is that the bed, esp. around the
wheel wells, is rusted badly, got holes and such. Oh well. Interior is
good, its a manual tranny (thank goodness), but its on the column :-(.
The chassis has some rust, but not much, like just a scrapable layer, I
would not think anymore then a normal 20 year old would have. It has
fairly new looking shocks. The engine is a big I-6 (300 ci?), and painted
blue, it looks pretty new but I doubt original. I want an original car,
not something with all different parts, because I know what putting a 302
into my brothers Galaxy did... it says something like 'Ford Power', so if
its a factory rebuilt engine err something I would think that is not bad.
Many other parts in the engine like airfilter and all look pretty new.
Whatddya think? Is it original, sound like a good truck? It really needs
to be reliable and cost efficient for me. I have not talked to the owner
yet, so more details should be coming along.

Patrick

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:32:08 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - TOPLOADER SALE MAKES MAN SICK


> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:50:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: bill
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
>
I converted my 1968 F100 2wd (360) from a 3 speed to a 4 speed two
years ago. The 4 speed is probably the nicest thing in my truck. If you
are keeping the FE, I suggest finding a Toploader 4 speed and dropping it
in.


People on the list seem to be paying between $300 and
> ($500??) for Toploaders.
> Ohio Bill

Ow.......wow-wow.....wow ! ! ! I never saw anyone on this list talk
about how their 4-speeds were going for between $300 and $500.
I certainly would't have let my T-18 go for $100.00 ! ! !
Oh......the pain ! ! ! ! ! ! Ouchy-wow-wow ! ! ! !
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

I hate it when this happens ! ! !

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:39:22 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice

Sounds like a good truck. Everybody can use a good Ford. Just do your usual
checks and such. I think that it had a 240 originally, But the 300 is a very
good motor capable of lasting well into the 300,000's. Get some more info and
let me know if you buy it. I'd be happy to share any advice I have.


JUMPINFORD AOL.com
73 F-250 RangerXLT Camper Special
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:44:58 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - W/SHIELD MLDGS & RADIATOR

> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:54:56 -0500
> From: John LaGrone
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Henry's progress

> Hey gang,
>
> I got a fender with inner fender, a door, 2 chrome drip rails, and a fan
spacer for $120 from a local bone yard. I refinished the fender and got it
installed last night. The door will take a little longer.
My fender came off of an F250 Ranger that had the chrome around the
windshield. Now I wish that I had paid more attention about how to get it
off. Would someone care to provide a refresher? If you have to change the
rubber seal, then nevermind.


Yes either you have to change the rubber seal, or be Very Very Good with a
razor blade.....and I mean good ! ! ! The moldings , where they fit into
the rubber are sort of L-shaped and the bottom of the L fits inside the
L-shaped cut in the rubber. Not really too hard, but you do have to pull
the glass.

> I ordered a four row radiator from HiLo. They had three listed. The
standard 3 row was $180, the heavy duty was $320, mine was listed as heavy
duty with heat buster for $240.

I just got done installing a 4-row in mine. If you have the 3-row
now, please refrain from troubleshooting your apparently malfunctioning
temp gauge after you install the new 4-row. The gauge is working....it
just will never go as high ! ! !

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:55:16 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A4OD & OVERDRIVE TRANNYS

> Hey gang check out the Ford (corporate) website The A40D has a large
section in thier Motorsports section explaining amoung other things how
thier Truck racing (class 8, Baja) put over 28 improvements into this trans
in the first year alone of racing it, and those mods all made it into the
> production model. Thankfully the model I have is the most improved and
rifined generation available stock.

Some bulletproof A40Ds and the electronics is not as scary as many think.
JMHO
> John Miller


John -
Several lists ago, someone mentioned that there are kits avail for
making a EAOD work in an older unit. Was that you?
If it was where can I find out about these ?
No less than 6 (six) local, well-established, seemingly knowledgeable,
semi-recommended tranny shops all told me it couldn't be done when I
wanted to put an OD in mine.
Can you briefly describe how to wire it in and make it shift without a
*box* ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:00:31 -0400
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question on FE clutch size??

Hey FE Owners,

I wanted to buy a clutch for the 390 today but when I got there
the guy asked if i had a 11.5" or a 12" clutch????I have no idea
since I'm swapping this motor in place of a small block!Does that
1/2 inch make a differnce..Is there different flywheels then too???
It also list 2 different size pilot bearings...the ouside diameter
is different???
Any help?
Joe
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:15:12 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OVERFLOW - RECOVERY TANKS

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:56:41 -0700
> From: "Hogan, Tom"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Radiator overflow bottles
>
> Anyone retrofit one of our trucks with an overflow bottle?
> Tom H.

It was done a long while back, but it has been well worth it ever since.
The tank I used is a very strange shaped one but it fits perfect in the
space between the left edge of the radiator core support and the L fender
apron. It looks like Henry designed it to be there even. The Ford Pt #
is
FOVE -(Overflow tank Group #) -A.
Take a look at one the next time you're near a dealer.
The cap on it is not a pressurized type, just a tight fitting
pop-off type typical on most recovery tanks. The radiator cap holds the
pressure in anyway....why would you need a pressure cap on the overflow too
? ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:21:00 -0400
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES

> From: Jerry
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: IN-CAB FUEL TANK WOES
> Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 11:11 PM
>
> Today was the day I was going to clean out my fuel pickup tube to fix the
> p***-poor performance when it runs low on fuel. So much for the good
> news.
> Here is what I found:
> ........Nada.......Nima.......Zip .........Zilch.......absolutely
> Nuttin Honey ! ! ! ! ! The probes that I put down the tube went down
> cleanly, effortlessly...all the way to the bottom.
> No muffled sound to indicate a filter material, no friction to indicate a
> partial plugging going on, nothing ! ! ! Just a nice clean
metal-to-metal
> sound of the probe on the tank bottom.
> Therefore.........this tells me that my trouble is not a plugged line.
> Right ? ? ? ? ? OK, now what ?
> One possible conclusion is that the tube is rusted.....so badly in spots
> that it is rusted through the walls of the tube so that when the level of
> the fuel gets below the rust hole........the suction of the fuel pump
draws
> a little air in with the fuel and lots of bubbles get sent to the fuel
> pump.
> Inside of tanks rust, right ? ? ? Why cant the inlet pipe also rust? ?
?
> Does it sound right that it can rust so bad as to develop holes it it ?
?
> ?
> Has anyone successfully replaced a pickup tube inside the tank ?
> ?.........or am I looking at buying a new one ?
> Jerry
> 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
> 1970 F100 (ret)
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:32:03 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - TOPLOADER SALE MAKES MAN SICK

t18's are normaly alot cheaper, i've seen plenty for 100.00-250.00
the top loaders are hard to find, i have one for sale ,but mine exceeds the
500.00 price tag, it is a small block trans, with the bellhousing,flywheel and
shifter,
its out of a 1969 mach 1 mustang.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:03:34 EDT
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-150 Lightning Wheels

There is a article in Sept.'s Classic Truck re Wheels and tires..

Mike in Seattle
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:29:13 -0600
From: "Michael White"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice

- -----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Kimbril
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 7:33 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 Purchase Advice


>
>See this guy down the road from me has an *about* '75 or so F100 fer
>sale. Ok I don't know too much, it has the '68-'80 body desiegn. I'm new
>to the list. Its only 350 bucks so that caught mine eye. It has been used
>as a truck was intended to be used, it has scratches and all. The body,
>overall, is good shape, faded paint, but little. I.e., no show winner but
>a good, solid truck. The only thing is that the bed, esp. around the
>wheel wells, is rusted badly, got holes and such. Oh well. Interior is
>good, its a manual tranny (thank goodness), but its on the column :-(.
>The chassis has some rust, but not much, like just a scrapable layer, I
>would not think anymore then a normal 20 year old would have. It has
>fairly new looking shocks. The engine is a big I-6 (300 ci?), and painted
>blue, it looks pretty new but I doubt original. I want an original car,
>not something with all different parts, because I know what putting a 302
>into my brothers Galaxy did... it says something like 'Ford Power', so if
>its a factory rebuilt engine err something I would think that is not bad.
>Many other parts in the engine like airfilter and all look pretty new.
>Whatddya think? Is it original, sound like a good truck? It really needs
>to be reliable and cost efficient for me. I have not talked to the owner
>yet, so more details should be coming along.
>
>Patrick
>


...........

If you live in or near a large city with a large local classified
newspaper section, you should be able to buy a 3/4 ton with less rust and a
bigger engine. An FE big block with power disc brakes could be bought for
cheap, if you spend a few weeks looking. I access the newpaper with my web
browser and search the classified ads almost every day (especially on
suday!). I've even used "reverse telephone search"
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.anywho.com/telq.html in order to find the address when the phone
is busy (huge profits from this trick). I guess what I'm trying to say is
keep your eyes + ears open, and the cash ready to go.
Here's some of the deals I've made:
1) bought a 67 F100 4x4 352 4bbl for $200, kept the engine and sold truck
for $300
2) bought a 68 F250 CS 360 T18 for $100, stripped it for parts and scrapped
frame + body for $50
3) bought a 69 F250 CS 390 4bbl, T18, Posi, factory air for $225, put $1,000
into it and sold it for $1,600, bought it back one week later (didn't leave
my driveway) for $800 (WooHooo!)
4) bought a 69 F250 360 auto for $400 with perfect grill + fan shroud +....

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